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Posted by ShireGuy on February 1st 2007, 2:28

I was making love with one of my mares, and right when I orgasmed, she did too. She has done this before in time with me, and I don't think it's a coincidence. And it made me think, I bet I know why mares have orgasms. When she orgasmed, she clamped down and also tilted her pelvis forward. This made me ejaculate considerably longer, and it may be a way to increase semen volume, leading to a higher liklihood of pregnancy (well, not from me, but from a stallion). It felt really good and sure made my orgasm stronger and longer. I'm figuring out some techniques which often lead to maregasm. Maybe we should start a thread discussing eachothers techniques so we can all have more success with this elusive thing we call the maregasm!

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Posted by energydog on February 1st 2007, 3:52

Well the real reason mares orgasm iiiiiissss......Cause it feels good. No animal save man rationalizes why sex feels good or why something as wonderful as an orgasm can occur from it. Biologically speaking the general thinking is that rhythmic spasms that occur in the vagina during orgasm help with transporting semen as high up into the vaginal canal as possible to get the sperms as close to the cervix as possilbe. Thus, shortening their trip and increasing the likelyhood of fertilization. It probably also helps trigger an orgasm in the male so he can deposit sperm in the furst place. But probably has less to do with forcing greater semen volume in general, since volumetric output is not consistant from one individual to another.

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Posted by ShireGuy on February 1st 2007, 4:28

Wow, thanks! I guess I should feel good that I please my mare partner. I gave two of them an orgasm yesterday. I must say I am getting the hang of it.

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Posted by EnigmaticVixen on February 1st 2007, 5:08

QUOTE (ShireGuy @ Jan 31 2007, 10:28 PM) Wow, thanks! I guess I should feel good that I please my mare partner. I gave two of them an orgasm yesterday. I must say I am getting the hang of it. Sounds like some very lucky mares you have, and quite relaxed too.

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Posted by Deacon on February 1st 2007, 5:38

I still think maregasms are something that people made up to make themselves feel better My years breeding horses and my graduate experience breeding horses says that they do not have orgasms.

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Posted by silkythighs on February 1st 2007, 5:54

I'd love to see and hear a mare having an orgasm. That would be quite erotic.

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Posted by energydog on February 1st 2007, 7:50

QUOTE (Deacon @ Feb 1 2007, 05:38 AM) I still think maregasms are something that people made up to make themselves feel better My years breeding horses and my graduate experience breeding horses says that they do not have orgasms. Do they or don't they? Hmmm, well even if they don't there has to be some kind of pay off for sexual activity, since animals don't give a crap about procreation. Therefor that payoff must be pleasure. Whether they have a 'peak point' that we can call an orgasm is debatable, but they none the less have sex for the pleasure it gives. Otherwise why would they demand to be mounted at all?

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Posted by Arab_Mixed_Mare on February 1st 2007, 8:18

Itneresting theory... I can see how it is very possible, and it does make sence very much, and that comes from a vet tech... anyway, great idea and I'd love to hear more on it if you or anyone else can figure more of it out! Great post by the way, haven't seen anything like it around

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Posted by shylark on February 1st 2007, 9:35

QUOTE (Deacon @ Feb 1 2007, 05:38 AM) I still think maregasms are something that people made up to make themselves feel better My years breeding horses and my graduate experience breeding horses says that they do not have orgasms. From the Danish Ethics Council's 2006 report, they were asked examine animal sexuality involved in sexual acts with humans-"There is nothing in female mammals’ anatomy or physiology, that contradicts that stimulation of the sexual organs and mating is able to be a positive experience. For instance, the clitoris acts in the same way as with women, and scientific studies have shown that the success of reproduction is improved by stimulation of clitoris on (among other species) cows and mares in connection with insemination, because it improves the transportation of the sperm due to contractions of the inner genitalia. This probably also concerns female animals of other animal species, and contractions in the inner genitals are seen e.g. also during orgasm for women. It is therefore reasonable to assume that sexual intercourse may be linked with a positive experience for female animals"

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Posted by Deacon on February 1st 2007, 14:19

"Hmmm, well even if they don't there has to be some kind of pay off for sexual activity, since animals don't give a crap about procreation."Uhm... actually its been shown that only dolphins and humans mate for pleasure All other animals mate for procreation. I think stallions orgasm, but I do not think mares do. CAN they? Probably. But DO they? I think that its extremely uncommon when mated to a stallion, and slightly more possible, however rare, with a human. Humans don't touch the right spots for them. I think its possible, but much, much more rare than reported.

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Posted by f74hbg/* on February 1st 2007, 16:03

I would imagine that they dont orgasm when being bred to a stallion because stallions dont last anywhere near long enough. I can't think of any special biological reason why humans would be the only species capable of orgasm so I would assume mares can.

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Posted by equineslurp on February 1st 2007, 16:21

Well, first off, let's define orgasm. If orgasm in a mare is defined as an inner spasming of the vagina, then I don't _think_ mares have orgasms, I _know_ they have orgasms. And I am referring to something much different than the winking that they do (I would compare that to when women "keggle"). If I have missed on the definition of an orgasm please enlighten me someone....maybe I'm out to lunch on this one. I don't know how you could actually tell if a mare is having an orgasm while being covered by a stallion. There is alot going on during this and to be able to determine what she's doing inside has got to be impossible for a human observer to know. Finally, there are a few video's on this forum showing fluid emissions from mares while being stimulated in one way or another. To me, this does not look like urine, it looks like lubricating fluid....wouldn't that constitute orgasm?

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Posted by rololover on February 1st 2007, 17:09

QUOTE (Deacon @ Feb 1 2007, 02:19 PM) Uhm... actually its been shown that only dolphins and humans mate for pleasure All other animals mate for procreation. It is with some trepidation that I dare to disagree with Deacon but.....It's been shown by whom, and how do they know?I think that's ridiculous, sorry!Are you telling us that all other animals mate only because they desperately want to reproduce; that they understand that this action will create little animals; that my stallion's lust & frenzy is the result of his overpowering desire to have a son/daughter? Humans need sex education to understand where babies come from. Are we to believe that sheep (sorry sheep lovers) understand the reproductive process? Of course they don't! Why, on this forum, do we see so many dogs tied to women/men? Not much chance for procreation there Deacon.So they must do it because it feels FANTASTIC!In my book that's mating for pleasure. Meanwhile, back on topic, Old Zoo has a great thread on "Pleasuring mares", including a lot on maregasms in the "How to" section: http://www.beastforum.com/index.php?showto...5600&hl=old+zoo

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Posted by rus80 on February 1st 2007, 18:50

WellllWe know horse sex is funn for horses even though the time it takes is short.There is something speratual about watching a pare of horses pasture breeding if the stud is not a rapist. The animals involved learn to make the act pleasurable and with pratice enhance the fealings. Horses have preferences to partners but we do not pick it up because we hand breed with a stallion with the male opinion of any port in a storm or the mare gets a vet exam and does not realise what was left.The contractions the stud feals does inprove the climax for him getting more seamen. His push forward so the pressure is felt on his flar adds to the experence as well as gets seamen where it needs to go..Shire you have learned to share a part of your mares lives.We as [intelegent] beings tend to see the animal world from our prospective..We need to relies we need to see there world from there prospective..Maby we are not as intelegent as we think..Rus

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Posted by Särx on February 1st 2007, 20:31

About sex for procreation or pleasure:(More from the Danish report) "though the evolution-related purpose of mating can be said to be reproduction, it is not actually the creating of offspring which originally causesthem to mate. It is probable that they mate because they are motivated for the actual copulation, and because this is connected with a positive experience.It is therefore reasonable to assume that there is some form of pleasure or satisfaction connected with the act. This assumption is confirmed by the behaviorof males, who in the case of many species are prepared to work to get access to female animals, especially if the female animal is in oestrus, and maleswho for breeding purposes are used to having sperm collected become very eager, when the equipment they associate with the collection is taken out."Studies have only shown conclusive evidence of actual orgasms in primates thus far... But there is no doubt that there is a sense of pleasure attached to sex... I think the fact that masturbation is noted in both males and females of many species is a good sign of that.Rhythmic muscular contractions are usually a sign of orgasm, as they're unlikely to be voluntary, especially when found higher up in the reproductive track (ie, including the uterus), so when it was noted that stimulation of the clitorus created contractions, call it what you want, but that there would be the peek of sexual pleasure in my mind.Female orgasm in general is a rather elusive thing, it was beleived to be a myth in humans even till just recently in the scientific world. It's estimated that about only 20% of women can have an orgasm just by the in-and-out thrusting of intercourse, and that can change for a woman from partner to partner as well, (Interestingly enough, in a study on Macaques, it was found that females climaxed 20% of the time during heterosexual intercourse)... So perhaps female orgasm requires more care, time and skill not only in humans but in animals as well... Giving maybe a bit of truth to the idea that Zoos have a better understanding of maregasm then the majority of stallions and scientists.

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Posted by energydog on February 1st 2007, 20:59

Its been implied that since animals don't have sex 24/7 that they only have sex for procreation. That would only be possible if animals intellectually knew that pregnancy was the end result of sex. To the best scientific knowledge to date, no other species save man realizes that pregnancy and birth are the end results and ultimate biologic purposes of sex. In fact there are whole slews of people in this world who avoid sex except for the express purpose of pregnancy and child birth. With animals, pregnancy and birth are merely something that happens out of thin air. They don't not realize nor intellectualize the causes of it. The reason animals don't have sex 24/7 is quite simple. Sex you must realize is largely a physiologically driven process, not an intellectual one. While thinking about sexual matters helps stimulates our own sex drive, those drives are not dependant on complex rationalizations. Most species other than humans are going about their daily business with those hormonal and physiologic systems, connected to sex drive and its physiologic and anatomical responses, set to very low. In short they are not banging it out all the time simply because they don't have an itch that needs scratching as it were. But during certain times of the year, hormonal and physical changes, initiated by various external and internal factors, occur that suddenly set the sex drive to all ahead full. Viola, you suddenly have a tremendous itch that needs deep scratching, prefurably several times a day for several weeks a year. Even human women can tell you that the sex drive waxes and wanes with regularity each month. But even when their sex drive is not at its highest sex still feels good.Ultimately it must be all about feeling good. The act of sex, especially when combined with all kinds of complex mating behavior, requires a lot of short term biologic energy, which is a detriment to the individual. The pay off is extremely pleasure, relaxation, and a sessation of the nagging sex itch. The same thing can be roughly seen in experiments where animals like rats and monkeys have had their pleasure centers wired up to a circuit board. In those experiments the animals were taught that pushing a button could stimulate those pleasure centers. Those animals very often prefered stimulating their own pleasure centers over essential life neccesities like eating. So pleasure alone does have that strong a motivational power. That being the case I think it can be fairly said the sex IS done for the pleasure factor, versus one of some vague idea of procreation.

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Posted by Särx on February 1st 2007, 21:54

I read about those studies with the mice and monkeys, sad to say that many actually died because of the preference for pleasure over food and water... So it's beneficial that with animals, the hormonal desire to copulate isn't constantly raging. Certain animals that have evolved to participate in sex on a frequent basis (such as dolphins, humans, and some species of primates...which is why the myth about these animals came to be), evolved the behavior because it was beneficial. Frequent sex creates strong bonds between participants, and these [SPAM], humans, dolphins, certain primates, thrived and found advantages with strong bonds. There are even species of birds where the female bird will act sexually receptive and allow a male to mate with her, despite just having laid eggs, entirely for the purpose of keeping that male around to help her raise the hatchlings.Pleasure is a very manipulative thing.

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Posted by rololover on February 2nd 2007, 12:48

Great posts Energydog & Sarx! 10s

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Posted by mach on February 2nd 2007, 14:47

I gotta try this someday ...the prob is that both me an my mare are virgins to say so... So i wonder how a mare never bred before will react to my advances... I know all too well what i want , and how to get it( i did alot of reading on BF lately )the question is if , when i will have alittle time to spend with her, she wants ...

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Posted by bighorse on February 2nd 2007, 14:56

i have a mini mare that i love to play with i will clean her up with warm waterthen call my male lab over and he will lick her i will play with her pussy then i take some warming gel on my fingers in sert my finger in her pussy stroke in and out then i will put two fingers in her push in as far as i can curl my fingers and rub the top of her pussy soon she will start contracting hump her back squat and ejaculate some yellowish white stong smelling liquid its not urine she stains real hard and sometimes farts i have tried to breed her to my lab i put a bale of straw behind her he will get up on it mount her and make a few half hearted thrusts then thats it hes getting pretty old .just by her actions i would say shes having an orgasm

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Posted by ShireGuy on February 2nd 2007, 17:52

Wow, this is a really great thread! Thanks to all for participating!I realize that my recent claim of giving two mares an orgasm in one evening is hard to swallow. Especially since this still is the internet, and you never know who to believe. However, I can explain further.I have been around horses for over 20 years. I have been active with mares since I was of legal age (for purposes of discussion on this forum). First and foremost I love my horses, and enjoy doing lots of things with them, Sex is just a small percentage. I spend much time grooming, interacting, taking care of, and generally being great friends with my horses. They are extremely relaxed with me and I have clearly established myself as their leader. I'm not claiming that I can give a mare an orgasm any time I want. I can't. It is elusive, and I am still trying to figure out all of the variables involved. Time of year, mood, hormones, and I'm sure quite a few other things play a role in dictating whether or not a mare will orgasm. There are many many techniques I'm sure. I have read OldZoo's thread on pleasuring mares. First let me explain what my mares do when they have an orgasm. For one thing, they clamp down hard with their vaginal muscles. Much harder than you might think, considering the size difference between myself and my mares. They can almost squeeze me out, but not quite. At the same time they will exhibit lordosis. Lordosis refers to the position that some mammals take when they are about to mate. The mare will hollow her back, and tilt her pelvis forward. Sometimes this is accompanied by a grunt. It helps if I gently pinch them on the back, or firmly pinch them on the back, when I am about to achieve orgasm myself. This is how my mares orgasm when I am inside them. It happens on occasion. This is the behavior that I am calling maregasm. They really seem to enjoy this. There is a second way that I have been able to bring my mares to orgasm. Sometimes I gently rub their vulva with the tips of my fingers, up and down, side to side, a little external clitoral stimulation. They will wink and seem to enjoy themselves. I rub for a couple of minutes, then let them relax for a few minutes. Then I go back and very gently repeat the procedure. I don't need to be inside them at all, just gently rubbing on the outside. They seem to respond by doing a lot of yawning and lower their head. I take this as a positive sign, although I am still trying to figure out what it all means. I will repeat this gently rubbing then letting them rest, repeating three or four times. Often times this will lead to what appears to be an orgasm. The orgasm goes as follows. Gently rub for a few minutes, take a break for a few, rub, break, repeat until... Big grunt, stretch one back leg straight back while arching the head and neck down. Then it's over. Sometimes a little humping behavior will be noted either during the initial rubbing before the orgasm, during the orgasm, or both. Why do I think this is an orgasm vs just stretching? Because they really seem to enjoy it, they wink and often develop a slippery mucous at their vulva, they hump (have you ever seen a mare air hump, it's cool), then they have a grunt and stretch, and this is repeatable. I can get multiple mares to do this, and on different occasions. Oh yeah, often during this stimulation, their clitoris becomes erect.Sure this is all up for debate, is this a true orgasm or something else. But the bottom line is that they really seem to enjoy this, it is very sexual, and it culminates in a climax. To me that's an orgasm. As I said, I can only get them to respond like this some of the time, and only with certain mares. You'll just have to take my word that I have a wonderful two way relationship with my mares. And BTW, sometimes they say no. I can respect that. Sometimes they will clamp their tail or say "not right now" in some form or manner, and I respect that. That's why it's nice to have more than one mare lover. I would lose a great deal of respect, I believe, if I continued after being told no. So I don't do it. I believe I gain there respect by listening to them and responding accordingly.So hope this clarifies things!And thanks for all the wonderful input! 10 votes all around!Shire.

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Posted by Särx on February 3rd 2007, 15:33

Concerning your mare's "maregasm", is there any rhythmic contractions happening in our around the genitals (ie anus as well) because as far as I know, that's a key factor (the only reading I've done on non-contractional orgasms is with human g-spot orgasm). Also, I may be mistaken here but... I'm pretty sure that the clit enlarges (becomes erect) during stimulation, and retracts slightly and momentarily during orgasm, but don't know if this is the case with certain species or not so don't take my word for it.

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Posted by sofie1 on February 3rd 2007, 19:58

I think all of us that have the amazing pleasure of being with a mare on a regular basis are green with envy over Shyguy. Good for you, there is nothing i would rather be able to do with my mare than give her an orgasm. She does not seem to and we are together lots and lots. She is obviously enjoying things to the extreme at times as it sometimes takes her almost 1/2 hour to put her tail back down. That can be quite a concern in the summer when it is light out longer and i have to be careful to keep her in the barn, for fear of someone seeing her. I also think that size has something to do with it as well, i am "normal" for lack of a better term, but had a buddy that was 9" and she seemed to hunch her back for him and seemed to throb alot more. Lucky him, she still loves me though and we are life mates in the truest meaning of the term...

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Posted by Old Zoo on February 5th 2007, 6:28

QUOTE (Deacon @ Feb 1 2007, 05:38 AM) I still think maregasms are something that people made up to make themselves feel better My years breeding horses and my graduate experience breeding horses says that they do not have orgasms. Deacon,I can understand why you might believe that, as I have not observed a mare reaching orgasm while being bred by a stallion. The thrusting of the male is normally so violent that I don't know if I would notice. But most of the breeding of mares is more like rape anyhow. The mare is hobbled and often twitched and she is given no chance to perform courtship with the stallion. (Given this, it is ironic that the same people talk about consent.)A recent paper by the Danish panel investigating whether bestiality should be illegal in Denmark made reference to the intensity of contractions in mares in relation to clitoral stimulation. I only wish I had gotten the job running those tests!I can assure you that you are wrong about maregasms being made up. Admittedly, every mare is different and some seem incapable of maregasm just as some women are unable to have orgasm. But if you ever saw one you would realize it was real. The mare strains and the entire vagina clamps. This is often accompanied by a loud grunt and then a visible relaxation. She will get a dopey and glassy eyed look. My mares will often pull away and circle their stall only to come back for more. It takes them only minutes to recharge.My guess is that it is a mechanism for forcing the sperm into the cervix. You may notice how nicely the cervix fits into the cavity around the stallion's urethra. I believe his flare is designed to force the alignment by completely filling the anterior end of the vagina, and I believe the maregasm is part of this mechanism. Whatever its purpose, it brings obvious and intense pleasure or mares would not crave it so much. BTW: Great post Shire Guy. I will have to try the rubbing technique. I should also agree with you that maregasms are very elusive. My Arab will only have them for about one day of her cycle. A friend, on the other hand, has a mare that has them almost every time they mate. No don't bother to ask if he will sell her OZ

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Posted by filly phucker on February 13th 2007, 21:23

i have to say yes mares do to orgasm i have been with alot of mares and not all will relax and let it happen but if you have time and the love and the want to work with her she will come round and relax then it will happen and she will usealy shy away for awhile not to long and she will start to let you do it more and more

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Posted by jk-d on February 16th 2007, 10:42

QUOTE (have you ever seen a mare air hump, it's cool)I have, and that was the first time i got a mare to orgasm by the clitoris. I had done it with another one 2 different times the same year and the last time only a couple of month ago and she reacted the same way but little calmer then the first one i will describe here. I have noticed one thing, they dont seem to be so very sensitive at their clitoris, at least not the ones i have met, so it could take some time before they go. Except the second one that in the late autumn that came just when stimulated under 10 second, without any stimuli before. Really strange, but that was the second time i got here to orgasm only about a month after the first time. That really suprised me but she sure liked it and wanted more after only 10 seconds when she came towards me again. But the way i did for about a year ago to a mare to get her to clitoris orgasm, if any would be interested, is the following what i experience: I first started some part below the clitoris it self because the clitoris is going a bit downwards and you can feel it as well several inches below. By rubbing the lower part of it side to side so did it after say about 30 seconds be harder which i took that she liked it and she also lifted the tale a little bit, and i did this for about two minutes or so. When it has got this far so did i slowly go upwards, still rubbing her all the way till i get about an inch from the clitoris and start to rub there for a while. And then after some few minutes, depending on her tail, there i started to move upwards and rub the clitoris (still on the skin) for 2 seconds and then down again an inch below and be there for 10 sec or so, and then up again and down again. Just when over the clit so did she move the tail little upwards and then slightly lower it when below. During all this so did she raise he tail higher and higher and i applied little more pressure all the time. When i had done that for some minutes and she didnt stay still all the time but moved a little with her bodey so did she all of a sudden move her back little side to side. I took this as she wanted more so i moved my fingers a little faster (2 fingers side by side of the lower part of the clitoris still going up and down of these spots but faster. At the same time did the tail got higher quite fast and then i understood that something was going on here. When she was this far so moved i up to stimulate the clitoris only but still only outside the skin because it felt that it was easier to get to the clit then. Then she started to hump a little and her tail got all up just as they do when ready to be mount by a stallion but not to the side as they normally do but straight up so her top part of the tail touched the top of her back. At the same time so did i stimulate the clitoris really hard and fast but still outside the skin. 3 seconds after this so started she to hump really much and forceful and she moved her hip up and down strongly as well in rhythmical even movements. I have never seen anything like that before (but after, not that forceful though) i almost thought that she was going to leave the ground for a moment. About 1 second after she starting to orgasm she started to go little backwards so i should push harder so i did and when i did so did she seemed to like it so much because she humped even a little more then. At the same time so did she started to walk really fast backwards towards me, so i had to walked really fast my self so she wouldnt run me over. I cant exactly hold back a fully grown horse having an orgasm so i just had to follow her backwards more or less all over the field. This is between and past other horses on the small field that i guess wondered what the heck she was doing. She humped all the time and i started to stimulate the clitoris directly after about 10 sec, after she started to walk a little faster backward and that made he move even faster. After she had ran around with me for about 20 second the orgasm lasted, (never thought it would last that long) so did she calm down and more or less stopped to walk, and i slowly stopped stimulate her clit at this point. Then i took my hand and stimulate the first inner bit of her vagina instead since she were very loose at this point, but not fully open (this was in late february and might be the reason for that). But she really seemed to enjoy this because she stopped directly and pushed backwards a little and looked at me at the same time and wanted to get contact with me or something because she moved her head towards me and shook it up and down a little so it at least felt like it, and she head spread her legs a little wider apart when i did this and the tail really high up. Then she turned her head forward and shook it up and down again like she really liked what i was doing.After doing this for 20 seconds or so, so didnt she walk away a little bit but turned 180 degree around directly and just wanted to get my attention, which she ofcurse got. About 20 seconds later so did she all of a sudden walk right past me and pushed her against me the hole way, and when her back was in front of me so did she stop and lifted her tail a little more then it was before. I got to her clitoris again and she went once again but this time after only like 5 seconds with the same humping and fast walking backwards with me in the field as before. We did this about 8 - 10 times when she finally, after i had petted her the last time, she left to go to drink water. At this time so did i realize that it has gone really light outside (hadnt noticed that before) so when i saw that she went to drink water i left quick because i coldnt follow her when it was this light, and i think that she was satisfied at this point and had enough for this time.I can say that was a really great and truly amazing night. So to make along story short, and that some already said; yes mare can have a real orgasm. But i have never get one to maregasm mainly because i dint really know where to stimulate but since i saw this site so im i. Dont know if this might be concidered to be fully offtopic since i replied on a previous message, so i hope it isnt.

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Posted by rus80 on February 16th 2007, 23:57

Old ZooYou have hit on a part of horse handling that is part of the short cutting of managment of farms. The people handling studs simply find the act dirty and offencive. I knew a breeding manager who kept saying "I'm not " he hated his job and fortunatly has found other work..We kepted our studs offen in pasture with there mares so they could cort let it all hang out and play. The horses if alawed to learn know how to get there mares pregnant. Horse sex is one of the most beautiful things to watch. The stuped owners and there neighbors ruin it for there own horses. There reaction to not knowing the detales of horse sex is all the restraints you have mentioned. If you rape a mare for the stud fee and a lot of breeders do chances are she will not settle. The hormones have to cycle. We hand breed outside mares but the stud runs with his own. I find hobbles dangerous and breeding shoots insulting to the mare and to my knowledge. You take my boy on a ride and he Knows the horses are not to be bread. People ask me why my gelding has shuch a heave neck.. I smile and reply because my gelding has balls.My boys are normal well adjusted members of the horse world..Why Because they have as normal life as I can make it for them..Rus

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