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Hi, I very recently came across a newspaper review of the oft discussed movie "ZOO" that has recently made a showing at the Sundance festival. While I found the review non comittal in general what I found more interesting were the public comments to the review and the fact of the movie itself. I suggest everyone do a quick read of the review then scroll down a bit, just above the space for posting your own comments you'll see a link to read all the comments. Its these comments by zoos and non zoos alike that I found to be the most interesting. The now number over 1400 comments after only 2 days of the original article. I hope you find them enlightening as I did as to what we may expect from the general population to the revelation of zoophilia/bestiality. Enjoy....or maybe not.http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/sou...mostemailedlinkPlease post your comments on the site and post your reactions to those comments here. It should make for some interesting reading.
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WARNING: folks - this is going to be the ONLY warning concerning this matter - ANYONE violating this warning will be banned - SO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION:we can understand and appreciate this big event in the zoo community - but lets not lose site of more important things - and that is RESPECT - I have NO IDEA as to the content of this new movie as of yet - but I have been informed that it covers the topic of the late BF member Mr Hands... as an individual you are entitled to your perspective on the matter - HOWEVER as a member of this forum you will NOT show disrespect by voicing anything negative about the occurance - so what I am basically saying here is that ANYONE who post a reply in this thread eluding that there was some personal fault/responsibilty to his own demise WILL BE BANNED. The link provided will give you the opportunity to share your feelings on that aspect - but do NOT do it here - again YOU WILL BE BANNED FOR EVEN THE SLIGHTEST INSENSITIVE REMARK CONCERNING MR. HANDS - DON'T DO IT!I hope that the community can be respectful enough and mature enough to enjoy a discussion about this milestine zoo event...
After reading a good few responses, it just reinforces the fact that human idiocy know no bounds. QUOTE (RandomForumIdiot)Bestiality is more like rape, it is not consensual. It is not the choice of the animal to be included in the act. I know this film is mostly horses "mounting" men, but I doubt it was without drugs and other stimulants. Therefore, it should be more closely associated with rape. Not the CHOICE of two people to be together. That just smacks of rational thought and scientific proof :/
QUOTE (silverwolf768 @ Jan 23 2007, 11:00 PM) After reading a good few responses, it just reinforces the fact that human idiocy know no bounds. It just never stops. Thats probably the reason why we keep going at each others throats.
What I really wish, is that people actually knew what they were talking about before insulting it. After reading the comments on that forum, it truly stuns and frusturates me how so many of them were simply insults without any logic oir facts behind them.People are commenting that it's assisted with drugs and stimulants and etcetera, when in fact most of the time that isn't true. Sure sometimes people do it, but it's the same principal as with murder. Some people do it, but most don't for reasons we all know.My bottom say in this, know what you are tlaking about before insulting it.Thank you for posting this.
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My friend Jay just had to pull me away from that site a few minutes ago because I was ranting my arse off and getting very upset about the hundreds upon hundreds of stupid, arrogant, uninformed comments... Once again, even though society yells "Acceptance" from it's headlines, there is very little. In the end, society hasn't gotten over Black vs. White, much less Straight vs. or any other sexual preference that isn't what they're comfortable with. The possibility of true acceptance of the Zoo lifestyle is still so far off in mainstream society.I love you all, and I'm thankful that so many of us have found a safer place to be ourselves. I'm also glad the makers of this film were brave enough to take their own stand and make the movie, regardless of the people who couldn't understand why.
To be perfectly honest, I don't see us ever being accepted in society. People are afraid of what they don't understand; Thats what has taken so long for acceptance of same-sex marriage, and even that hasn't completely arrived yet. It has barely broken the "tolerance" barrier and even that is only in some places. We won't ever be accepted because animals by and large aren't seen as sentient beings that know right from wrong and can't say "No". Take a look at those responses and count how many homophobic responses there are. There are TONS, and they are a LOT closer than we are. I know I will never be deemed "normal" If anyone ever found out about me, but considering the state the world is in right now, is not being grouped with all those frothing at the mouth, self-righteous, baseless haters of everything they don't understand really such a bad thing? If we could all see past our own egos and not try to force our own ideals (and interests) on everyone, the world would be a different place. I kinda went off on a tangent there, but I'm done now. I'll be ok lol
QUOTE (silverwolf768 @ Jan 24 2007, 08:30 AM) That just smacks of rational thought and scientific proof :/ Since when were they requirements for prejudice
It is the rocky road we travel. I firmly believe that our love of animals will be accepted at some point in the future. However don't underestimate the costs of this eventual acceptance, Changing public mores is a messy and dangerous proposition with this movie merely documenting some of the first tusles in this very public battle. I regret deeply that a person lost their life to be at the forefront of this debate without intention or choice on their part, with their family having to deal with something that can only be emotionally traumatic.Regardless of the film's contents, it behoves each person to think in terms of the public respect they would 'wish' to earn by acting the part beforehand.....I think we live in some interesting times.CheersIntrepidia
Things like these just piss me off because it reminds me of the complete stupidity and ignorance of most non-zoos. Maybe if they met us in real life or read some post here they would understand that we're not just animal f#@$ers! And then maybe even that wont open up their narrow-minded heads! This is why I hate most "normal" people! Why do am I bothering saying this here... you guys understand. Sorry bout my rambling, Im gonna go cool down now. I just hope that someday we'll be accepted.
QUOTE You know what is sick and disgusting? The amount of hatred, ignorance and intolerance I am reading on this board! Thats FAR more disgusting than an individual who has sex with an animal. Its not the lack of morals that is bringing this country down, its the lack of understanding and tolerance of others thats killing this country!This got me thinkin.... when people are wishing for the deaths of others without even trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, that is what is most disturbing.
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QUOTE (intrepidia @ Jan 23 2007, 09:55 PM)I think we live in some interesting times.and there is a reason why it is a (supposedly) Chinese curse. and it's the least of the 3...QUOTE (furisforfun)Since when were they requirements for prejudicethe problem comes in when they try to pass such BS off as rational thought and scientific proof.most people will believe what they want to believe. all they need is someone to preach it. it does not matter if what is being preached has any factual basis (though it does help if they say their idea does, even if it doesn't have the slightest trace of it), so long as it conforms to their existing ideas and doesn't force them to change their set-in-concrete mindsets, they will believe it and follow it rabidly. the inertia such mindsets carry is greater than physics predicts by several orders of magnitude.QUOTE This got me thinkin.... when people are wishing for the deaths of others without even trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, that is what is most disturbing.what is even more disturbing is the fact that it has been happening on every continent for almost all of recorded history.
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Its hard for us in this community to understand - after all, we know the basics of how we feel to wards non human animals... but...With the general human populace, its a much harder point to ever argue with sucess.I might forever damn myself with this post, but being one who took part in the production, My thoughts when asked were I do not ever see acceptance, and do we really want or need acceptance...I did make it clear, many many times during the production that I hold myself to my beliefs, and it cannot be taken as speaking for anyone but me, but my point is one of gain - we will never gain anything of value by being well known?That I do not know, but with the current state of most human thinking, and as seen by the articles replies that have so many of us frustrated, my gut tells me no, not at all.
You were/are THE Coyote? Wow, have you seen a final version of the film? Specific incidents aside, as a generalized movie about zoophilics/beasties how does the movie make our lifestyle appear?
HiAs long as your aren’t hurting anyone or any animal, anything goes.Ive seen some stuff that upset me, especially using a loverley dog as a dildo. there are some people who will pay to see that and that’s there choiceIf we all have respect for all creatures (even my x-husband) we could all enjoy sex in its many forms
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QUOTE (energydog @ Jan 24 2007, 09:22 AM) You were/are THE Coyote? Wow, have you seen a final version of the film? Specific incidents aside, as a generalized movie about zoophilics/beasties how does the movie make our lifestyle appear? Unfortunately, I have not even yet seen the final version of the film. At the end of the year, things came so fast. Around October, there was some final film to be shot, and I asked the director when he thought it would be completed. He said he would love to make Sundance with it, but said the current funding meant he expected another 9 months or so to work on it on or off, get final post production done, etc. Then Thinkfilms picked it up and threw in funding. A bit more film was shot at the end of november after that. I joked with the way the production was rushing, I could see him on the plane on the way to Utah still doing editing on his laptop and joked about it. He said that the idea was not funny - because it might be almost true.I wanted and he promised to try to get a screening of it before Sundance, but it couldn't happen. The 11th of January I had to retake some audio ( some of what I said in an interview early in the last year got messed up) He sent me the audio guy to redo, since he was in the color lab doing color correction, as the cinematographer had to rush back east with a sick family member. So down to the wire it went.I went into it with a great amount of trepidation, asked a lot of questions before I started to find out where it was going, if it was just going to be just another tabloid shocker headline, or any similar FUD generator. When i laid down the first audio interview, his questions were in line with truly wanting to just understand, and that put me at ease. Not completely, because anything can be edited and twisted, but as the year went on, I got a good vibe in the fact it was going to be ok. Its going to make non zoos think a lot - not all, you will still have those who dont care either way, but thats how it is in anything we do in life.I still have a knot (no pun here, move along- heh) in my stomach on the finished film, but I think its going to be good.
Even if we may find it to be a good film - as far as I know, hardly anyone knows the exact content of the film - people out there may/will react different. And how they will react, nobody knows. I have seeen some positive reviews of this film, and some not so positive. The not so positive all had religious aspects. One of the most funny was something like "On Sunday 21 while people were in chuchr, a film [.......] was shown ...(etc) Well, they did not show that film in the church, did they? Again, many feel able to udge about something they know next to nothing about, and I shall say no more, just look forward to see the movie.
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I have thought about this have wrighten 3 posts and ran from them.I fear for this comunity I have friends here.The real world is a horrable plaseIn it they choose what and how they want included within.They through me out 30 + years ago and never knew me.It was a game to them. I never looked backI learned many things and the real world leaves me alownFair and balanced they are not and never will be.Trust no one there, power is all they care about and will traid there very survival for it and gold.In the real world you can not walk with out hurting something or some one. Kindness, love, caring is lost and you would be taken with it.. They will never stop hurting us or anything dispite the fact in the end they hurt them selves as much or moreI will be with my rocksRus
this "A Real Man" guy is . Screamingly . I bet he goes to strip clubs and drunkenly fondles the women just to prove how awesome he is, then he goes hunting and shoots a deer and lifts the carcass for weight then goes home and watches the game in his log cabin with his manly ass friends, coon skin cap and trophy heads on the wall. Oh, and he drinks BUD cause he's JUST THAT MANLY
QUOTE (rus80 @ Jan 24 2007, 11:01 AM) I have thought about this have wrighten 3 posts and ran from them.I fear for this comunity I have friends here.The real world is a horrable plaseIn it they choose what and how they want included within.They through me out 30 + years ago and never knew me.It was a game to them. I never looked backI learned many things and the real world leaves me alownFair and balanced they are not and never will be.Trust no one there, power is all they care about and will traid there very survival for it and gold.In the real world you can not walk with out hurting something or some one. Kindness, love, caring is lost and you would be taken with it.. They will never stop hurting us or anything dispite the fact in the end they hurt them selves as much or moreI will be with my rocksRus Quite negitive, but he`s right... I can`t wait to see this video. I dont like the people that are posting over there, but I still want to see it. Maybe non-zoos will have a relevation, Most likely they wont. What do you think the chances are, guys? Why aren't people posting here? You`d think I`d be a hot topic...
QUOTE (HORSEPLEASURER @ Jan 25 2007, 12:09 AM)Quite negitive, but he`s right... I can`t wait to see this video. I dont like the people that are posting over there, but I still want to see it. Maybe non-zoos will have a relevation, Most likely they wont. What do you think the chances are, guys? I have to say, if people are already so dead set against it, the chances of them actually seeing it are virtually non-existent. I saw lots of negative posts against Brokeback Mountain in there (even though they are 2 completely different movies), and even though I personally have never seen it, I've heard it is hardly anything to be outraged by (and think of how many people refused to watch the movie based on subject matter alone).
QUOTE (silverwolf768 @ Jan 24 2007, 07:32 PM) I have to say, if people are already so dead set against it, the chances of them actually seeing it are virtually non-existent. I saw lots of negative posts against Brokeback Mountain in there (even though they are 2 completely different movies), and even though I personally have never seen it, I've heard it is hardly anything to be outraged by (and think of how many people refused to watch the movie based on subject matter alone). Bah. After re-reading my response, it might sound like I have something against Brokeback Mountain, but its just that I have not seen it, and the only opportunity I would have to watch it would be when everyone (everyone being my family) is around, and I don't like to have to justify my actions to anybody if I feel I don't have to, so its a conversation I would like to avoid. I also haven't ruled out the fact that I might in fact be . Sorry about the potential misunderstanding, I'm just trying to keep things clear before an issue could come up ( I also couldn't edit my message. I've seen "edit timers" on other forums, so that might be why). I'll be quiet now lol.
Edit times outThen Wild saves me..If that is possableBack to my rocksRus
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Wow, I only read a few of those replies, pretty frightening but sometimes a bit funny in a way. What a parade of ignorance.I've heard before, the sun-sentinel site comments area can get pretty wild, so it's sort of a magnet for that kind of activity anyway. Putting zoo into it is like throwing oil on the fire.----edited to add, one reason for having an editing timeout is, so spammers can't post something harmless, then come back later and completely change the content of the post - adding links, etc.
Some people are always going to moralize and they are welcome to keep their opinions to themselves. Likewise, I don't think sex is something to be broadcast from the top of the hill, hetro, or zoo... I think it's just poor taste and something left best to individuals.However, there is always the public face to things and I do suspect that the media is taking more of a liking to zoophilia/bestiality as a topic, It'll be up to individuals to decide how they show themselves with this greater attention. This movie won't be the last of it all....
After reading a couple pages of those replies, it seems that 90% of them are influenced by some kind of religious foundation. I think the real tragedy in this whole hub-bub is that this religious idealism is the foundation of the laws in this country...How can you fight something that's backed up by God? Or someone who's spouting out rhetoric that is supposedly directly from God?I think our hope lies in the fact that there is a very large silent majority out there. I think people might be coming around. Look at the "homosexual revolution" over the last decade. Particularly in the younger generations, there's a sense of total acceptance...or maybe, an inability to be surprised or disgusted. Acceptance might be pushing it. But it's kinda hard to be "weird" anymore. Especially in the sexual arena.But I guess the solution is the same for everything: EDUCATION!
well with me the more i here about it the more i want to see the movie .
QUOTE (energydog @ Jan 23 2007, 01:04 PM) **** I suggest everyone do a quick read of the review then scroll down a bit, just above the space for posting your own comments you'll see a link to read all the comments. Its these comments by zoos and non zoos alike that I found to be the most interesting. The now number over 1400 comments after only 2 days of the original article. I hope you find them enlightening as I did as to what we may expect from the general population to the revelation of zoophilia/bestiality.http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/sou...mostemailedlinkPlease post your comments on the site and post your reactions to those comments here. It should make for some interesting reading. I went to the posted link, I did see the film review-but never saw the "comments" section you mentioned there. did their server get overloaded and they shut that part off?? I too, await to see how the whole production turned out. Cow_Poke
QUOTE (Cow_Poke @ Jan 24 2007, 11:53 PM)QUOTE (energydog @ Jan 23 2007, 01:04 PM) **** I suggest everyone do a quick read of the review then scroll down a bit, just above the space for posting your own comments you'll see a link to read all the comments. Its these comments by zoos and non zoos alike that I found to be the most interesting. The now number over 1400 comments after only 2 days of the original article. I hope you find them enlightening as I did as to what we may expect from the general population to the revelation of zoophilia/bestiality.http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/sou...mostemailedlinkPlease post your comments on the site and post your reactions to those comments here. It should make for some interesting reading. I went to the posted link, I did see the film review-but never saw the "comments" section you mentioned there. did their server get overloaded and they shut that part off?? I too, await to see how the whole production turned out. Cow_PokeWell, maybe something happened when you went to the page, but it is fine for me, here is a direct link. http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-fl...RUR9RV5OVVIVNEL
Appaerently someone liked te movie, one of the reviews said (short quote only): QUOTE .... Not graphic in the least, this strange and strangely beautiful film ....The director also states that "It happens, so it's part of who we are."Question is if the world is ready to understand what happens. So much happens behind thick doors that many would like to (and need to) know, while other things that just happen in private homes cant be dealt with??Yeah it IS a strange world.
QUOTE (Gryph @ Jan 25 2007, 01:27 AM)QUOTE (Cow_Poke @ Jan 24 2007, 11:53 PM)QUOTE (energydog @ Jan 23 2007, 01:04 PM) **** I suggest everyone do a quick read of the review then scroll down a bit, just above the space for posting your own comments you'll see a link to read all the comments. Its these comments by zoos and non zoos alike that I found to be the most interesting. The now number over 1400 comments after only 2 days of the original article. I hope you find them enlightening as I did as to what we may expect from the general population to the revelation of zoophilia/bestiality.http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/sou...mostemailedlinkPlease post your comments on the site and post your reactions to those comments here. It should make for some interesting reading. I went to the posted link, I did see the film review-but never saw the "comments" section you mentioned there. did their server get overloaded and they shut that part off?? I too, await to see how the whole production turned out. Cow_PokeWell, maybe something happened when you went to the page, but it is fine for me, here is a direct link. : http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-fl...RUR9RV5OVVIVNEL OK,, even though I tried the Sun Times link, two more times, I still couldn't find the link to the comments page. But,, the comments page direct link worked great-thanks. I've gone through few of the page-holy shit,, do we really have that many nearly brain dead [the way of thinking, based on false fairy tales] out there?? We, as a society, can go out, destroy/conquer/pillage/murder other civilizations, but sex with animals is an abomination to all of humanity??? Cow_Poke
Yes and yes... or at least some people think so. A sad sight...
While the uninformed, automatic intolerance from most of those who commented disgusts me, I found myself laughing out loud at some of the cheap shot jokes made at our expense.Overall, I was going fine, just brushing off the stupidity or outright ignoring the worst of it. Unfortunately, this particular comment caught my eye:QUOTE Jim S:It is a shame that American values have fallen to the level where a movie about beastiality is now considered art and not the worst kind of pornography.I can understand how puritan values exist in society, etc., etc., but he is honestly calling bestiality worse than snuff films? If ever there was a cause for concern about where the country was headed...
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Not sure if this is ok to post here I maybe should start a new thread but since it relates to public exposure to zoo activities I think its ok.Tis a recent article I found about an award winning play, its not new (the play)been around since 2002 but is being shown again in febuary time, I havent heard of it before and thought some might find it interesting. The basis of the play is about a sucessful architech who falls in love with a goat.The Goat, or Who is Sylvia?
is this movie going to be in movie theaters or is it like a movie you would have to finde and special order .
You're not going to see this movie in high street cinemas.
Talk about backlash from the bible belt
Just goes to show that our feelings go deeper the society would like to acknowledge.Movies are meant to bring a reaction from the viewer. A good movie can play on the emotions and even cause the viewer to make choices on their moral beleifs in relationship to what visual notes were implanted on their values.Looks like someone wanted to review the public on something that is ahppening and get more people awareHowever, that can have two sides.. and the greater side is not ready for we that can accept our lustful desires with honesty and cope with our mentality without lying about it
Could this movie do more harm than good? A lot of people aren't aware (or refuse to believe) that we exist, and alerting the more holier-than-thou, prejudiced, my way or the highway, type public to our presence might be a bad thing. Out of sight, out of mind is a way a lot of people operate, and you know how apt people are to embrace something thats different from the "norm" :/ (even if they have no actual basis for their moral outrage). Take those responses for example: They haven't even seen the movie, and make accusations about the reviewer because he didn't immediately pick up his torch and scream from the hills about his moral outrage. Do we really stand to gain anything by eventual (maybe) acceptance? People will be even more suspicious and you will still have to be wary of who you tell. Is that any better than where we are now?
QUOTE (silverwolf768 @ Jan 26 2007, 09:56 PM) Could this movie do more harm than good? A lot of people aren't aware (or refuse to believe) that we exist, and alerting the more holier-than-thou, prejudiced, my way or the highway, type public to our presence might be a bad thing. Yes. it could. The more peoples' attention is drawn to the existence of Zoos and our activities the more laws will be passed to try to repress us.Acceptance? No chance.
QUOTE (KnotBigEnough @ Jan 26 2007, 03:52 PM) QUOTE (silverwolf768 @ Jan 26 2007, 09:56 PM) Could this movie do more harm than good? A lot of people aren't aware (or refuse to believe) that we exist, and alerting the more holier-than-thou, prejudiced, my way or the highway, type public to our presence might be a bad thing. Yes. it could. The more peoples' attention is drawn to the existence of Zoos and our activities the more laws will be passed to try to repress us.Acceptance? No chance. I think there is a chance. Though it may be small it is still there. Or at least that is what I`d like to hope. Remember that most people haven`t seen the movie yet, so who knows? I promise you one thing though. Peoples minds won`t be changed easily. It may take a whole new generation till we get anywhere. Oh yes... there will be war.Im out till Sunday.
Zoophilia was once very common practice. so much so, that it was something people joked about in the same way they might joke about masturbation. the church condemned it, and was not something people usually bragged about - but it happened in isolated communities, on farms, on the dusty road etc.but these days, we live in a world that is growing ever more apart from nature. so though other unusual sexual practices may become more acceptable - or tolerated - by society, zoophilia is one that is likely to become less acceptable. there will have to be a massive and drastic change to the mindset of society before it becomes tolerated or accepted. society is becoming less tolerant of animals and people keeping pets - i really cannot see our lifestyles becoming something we can admit to in public within my lifetime.
The problem is that people need to learn not to criticize something they dont understand, sadly thats exactly what theyre doing. They beed to learn that just because its not something THEY understand, it dosent mean that EVERYONE agrees with them. And thats the other problem, we listen more to people representing a certain group, than we do to the members in that group.
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QUOTE (dogupme @ Jan 26 2007, 05:13 PM)society is becoming less tolerant of animals and people keeping pets - i really cannot see our lifestyles becoming something we can admit to in public within my lifetime. Thats a very interesting point. One that I never really considered, but its true. I see it all the time in the city, but I plan on moving out to the country eventually anyway. I like it better out there than in the city, plus my animals will have much more room to run if they so wish
If you ever ask yourself, should I come out to the world? Just read the responses to the review and you'll understand it may be the last thing you ever do. People are so ignorant. It scares me just how closed minded people can be. Don't knock it until you try it, I always say.
You will find the country little help.In the country I nearly got busted for breeding a stallionto a mare..People are never openminded or excepting.We were under the radar till now..We have no choice but to ride with it, now we are all outted a little bit..Life got a lot harder I am afraid.ExampleI have 2 studs who are not around mares. Breeding or not I wash there penises when I can. I do not trank and they just dont drop there pants so If one hangs out and is dirty I wash it. If I am seen people just do not recognise it do not realy care. Now every one and his brother is out to ketch it evel animal owner.We are now in the public eye.I am not happyAnd I do not play with my horses..Rus
The advantage of living in the country is 1)Privacy if you have enough space and 2)Higher acceptance of animals in general. That being said my sex life is not something to be shared with my neighbors, regardless of the number of legs my partner has.Over all, if this movie is balanced as early reports suggest I would say it is a good thing. Some day, one person may hear of it, or even see it and realize they are not alone. Yes, I agree could make things 'touchy' for some of us for a short time. In a couple months the election season will start again in the U.S. and the mainstream media will have long forgotten about this movie and the vast majority of the drones will have filed it away into the huge dustbin of pop culture.--TX
I never thought there was a reason to like election season. I am hopping they will drop analog transmition and I can junk the babbling box.Rus
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I don't really mind the people that disagree with this type of sexuality....it's the ones that think we need to be executed that get me going
My understanding of the movie is that it tries to deal more with the why as opposed to the what; not so much about the guy dying making love to a horse as it is what ultimately lead up to that.So I have two major problems with the comments I saw. The first was the many people claiming that this was a "liberal smut" movie. Clearly they didn't read the original article.The other almost outrageous claim I read over and over again was that the claim that bestiality is no different from homosexuality. It is because people honestly believe that that we need a movie like this.
unbelievable.... i have nothing else to say.
all i have to say it is some what entertaining to hear the "normal" people make comments on what we find to be a beautiful thing. Of coarse i disagree with MANY posts on there, and yes i'd like to make a post there about how my dog and I have love and consent all the way, im not going to waste my time. Let them live in there stupid bubbles of go with the flow and think that if it's not "normal" its sick and gross. What ever. Im not looking to be accepted for it, or judged for it. Im happy to have what i have and have all you people to discuss it with, let the boring fucks make their comments and wag fingers and say shame, they dont make me feel bad. They are un educated and assume all the things they state.BTW ya, id like to see the film.
I don't think we need to be angry or even can justified anger about the comparison to homosexuality when indeed we do it ourselves ALL THE TIME - I can assure you that I have made post on the forum illustrating the fact that people are comparing bestiality to homosexuality dozens of times... I don't live with blinders on - and I know within our own community there are prejudices - I have encountered them personally - there are those who resent that I moderate this forum and have made it clear - it sadens me - but would I not be there equal if I though for one second that somehow homosexuality is more justified than bestiality??? My point in illustrating the differences on those occassions here on the forum have always been involved in discussions about rights - and I am quick to remind those the cost of wagging a rights war - my perspective has always been about casulties of war - and if the zoo community is prepared for those loses - and more poyantly - if indeed they could sustain those losses and even survive... while the g ay community represents 10% of the population - and you can clearly see how we still have limited success - the zoo community propably represents less than 1% - I don't want to play devils advocate here - but I truly have my doubts that zoos could wage the war and win or more horrifically even survive.... are you prepared to watch your brothers in arms die - and just as tragically - are you prepared to watch your animal lovers destroyed - are you willing to stake thier lives for the cause???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????I have made some post on the sentinel thread defending homosexuality (actually slamming antihomosexual slurs as opposed to defending homosexuality is probably discribes my efforts more appropriatly) I have done so without defending or even mentioning bestiality - it is not because I am ashamed of my zoo involvement - it's because honestly - I am not ready to wage the war of bestiality rights - and I strongly suggest that you all dig deep in your souls before you make such a decision - are you truly ready to sustain the casualities of such a war? are you ready to bury your brothers at arms? Are you ready to bury your animal lovers? Maybe I am indeed a coward - but honestly I have seen enough in my life already - sorry - but I am not
SouthyYou right and explain very well. OK peopleThis should be required reading for us all.I in a past life I was involved with cival unrest and RIOTS..The people who were there to control and secure the arer were as bigited , hatefull, as it gets. This spilled over into there regular enforcment work and I got out.People think very different in a groop than one on one.What a groop sees can very easily over run common sence and cival laws.. Trust me we will be tostHistory shows what a vigilant society can do when it reaches a vigilanty leavel.A lot of inesont folks were put under for no reason but a groop of stronger humans hated them.The west has not changed. And for these people our animals mean nothing, The law cars not if they meet an untimely end eather.Lesson to Southy.Rus
SouthFlordiai agree, unfortuantly that is a war we couldnt win at this time. And no, I am not willing to see others go to jail, and definately not willing to sacrifice my dogs over it. At least we have eachother in this group, but Im afraid if some brave souls did step up to fight for such rights, i would honestly lay low. Its not like we are being hunted down but it could happen if we became a "problem" to the general public. The acceptance i get here is enough for me.
Thank you for pointing this article out. There are a few things I found of interest....First:There are numerous arguements in the posts that argue for psycological harm to the animal. Then go on to express questions about whether the animal has feelings for their human partner in return. They are arguing from both sides of their mouths. They say the animal feels psycological pain while saying the animal is not psycologically able to feel. This is very basic arguement technique where the person hedges their bets. Then they believe they cannot be wrong.Second:The treatment of within the posts. It is abhorrent to see such debasement of a fellow human by some of the posters. The arguement that this leads to this and so on is ludicrous and antiquated. Not terribly long ago homosexuality was characterized as a mental disorder by the psychology community. Strives have been made to realise many great freedoms for the community. But even so, there are soo soo many more barriers for them. Third:The idea that someone could be completely evil based upon one characteristic of their life. I lived in a household with that attitude. It is terrifying. One drop of water does not make a lake. You simply cannot define a person by one thing. That is the delight of humanity, we are very very diverse and yet we are all still very very the same.What it comes down to is people treating others as they'd like to be treated. period. I will not spray hatred for those that hate me or my lifestyle. I wish only one thing from life and that is to live it as my life. So I do not take offense for someone believing something, but I will always take offense for someone telling me what to believe.End rant for now...
I wished that other people will understand that you often don't know who's a zoo. Anyways just like you always don't know who you meet on the internet, its the same thing to an extent.
well apparently (at least for the moment) I have managed to get the thread to an intellegent level of conversation as opposed to just bashing.. - now may be a good time for those who are good at articulating to add perspective if interested...
For someone who didnt want to fight the fight you are doing a pretty good job thanks southy I made a couple of posts already but its like swimming in treacle they just choose to ignore the information that goes against their judgement, lets face it, they cant accept couples there is no way they are going to consider zoo relationships.Saying that I aint giving up just get, I will keep an eye on it and input where I can, people will be reading it and some of them may be a lil more open minded than the main contributers of the thread.
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Well, I feel very stupid now because of South Florida`s post. I guess I really wouldn't want to go through that. Just me wishing again... Im still young (19) and have had very few "pets" let alone have any sexual relationship with them. I have nothing to lose. So sorry I suppose I still have to learn...
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I've been thinking about this for a while and I kind of alluded to it in one of my previous posts. If people embraced our lifestyle with open arms, what would we have to gain? Not much really. If people turned adamantly anti-zoo, what could we lose? Everything, in my opinion. There isn't a single person that I'm at least 60% sure I could confide in, so to keep myself and my pets safe, I NEVER even consider talking about it. I have nothing to gain, and everything to lose. I'm also pretty young (almost 22), so if the situation changes sometime in the future, maybe I'll consider it, but the situation would have to change pretty significantly.
Back to you southy I need some sleep
QUOTE (HORSEPLEASURER @ Jan 28 2007, 11:44 PM) Well, I feel very stupid now because of South Florida`s post. I guess I really wouldn't want to go through that. Just me wishing again... Im still young (19) and have had very few "pets" let alone have any sexual relationship with them. I have nothing to lose. So sorry I suppose I still have to learn... everyones feelings are valid - there is no stupidity - and my perspective is not right for everyone - nor was it intended to be - it's MINE - and it's where I am currently at in life... I know I have shared of the sacrafices and atrosophities that the overall g ay community has endured historically like Stonewall - but I'm pretty certain that I have never shared this on the forum - which is that I have lost my two best friends in the world both to bashings - one was a lifelong friendship that blossomed into a sexual relationship - we were very very close - the other was bashed and left in the snow unconcious - his hands were frostbitten completely off - he survived - and he was a very courageous man - one of thee most courageous I have ever known - he spent his time helping others in numerous ways - he supported me and was a main factor in me finding sobriety - but the numerous numerous numerous numerous operations and medications finally took a toll on his liver and he passed - looky folks - it's not something I'm real comfortable about talking about - but these indeed are just a tip of the casualities of war I speak of - I know them very personally - and somedays I am a little too weary to fight - sometimes I have no will to fight left in me when I consider the consequences - sometimes I'm defeated and defenseless - and somedays I can put on the gloves and fight the good fight - but that's my story and everyone else has thier own - you should make the choices of your experiences - heart - and concious - there is admiration for those who choose to fight as much as there is respect for those who choose not to... be well my Friends....
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QUOTE (southflorida @ Jan 28 2007, 06:26 PM) QUOTE (HORSEPLEASURER @ Jan 28 2007, 11:44 PM) Well, I feel very stupid now because of South Florida`s post. I guess I really wouldn't want to go through that. Just me wishing again... Im still young (19) and have had very few "pets" let alone have any sexual relationship with them. I have nothing to lose. So sorry I suppose I still have to learn... everyones feelings are valid - there is no stupidity - and my perspective is not right for everyone - nor was it intended to be - it's MINE - and it's where I am currently at in life... I know I have shared of the sacrafices and atrosophities that the overall g ay community has endured historically like Stonewall - but I'm pretty certain that I have never shared this on the forum - which is that I have lost my two best friends in the world both to bashings - one was a lifelong friendship that blossomed into a sexual relationship - we were very very close - the other was bashed and left in the snow unconcious - his hands were frostbitten completely off - he survived - and he was a very courageous man - one of thee most courageous I have ever known - he spent his time helping others in numerous ways - he supported me and was a main factor in me finding sobriety - but the numerous numerous numerous numerous operations and medications finally took a toll on his liver and he passed - looky folks - it's not something I'm real comfortable about talking about - but these indeed are just a tip of the casualities of war I speak of - I know them very personally - and somedays I am a little too weary to fight - sometimes I have no will to fight left in me when I consider the consequences - sometimes I'm defeated and defenseless - and somedays I can put on the gloves and fight the good fight - but that's my story and everyone else has thier own - you should make the choices of your experiences - heart - and concious - there is admiration for those who choose to fight as much as there is respect for those who choose not to... be well my Friends.... Well said. I can see why you are a moderator among other things. (And very popular no doubt). Its good that you posted that... it needed to be said for some of us (including me). Thank you.
@southyVery poinant story and personal. It is the sad reality of the modern world that hate still breeds hate. There are exceptions to every rule and some childeren of people whom I believe the truest form of evil do make it out of that mindset. I have pity for those that commit volent acts against others because they will never feel love, true love, for a fellow human being in their life. They have been indoctrinated in the "final solution" mentality. As far as fighting for our lifestyle I say this with conviction. The wise person will only chose to fight when they believe they can win, the fool fights just to fight win or lose. So I believe southy has it right at this time in our community. I believe the fight would be an exercise in futility with innumerable costs to us.My personal fear had disuaded me from participating in dicussion on this forum for some time. I had so much fear of being myself I believed I would be hunted down by someone. I know it is called paranoia, but it is rightfully founded. I grew up with people that would demonize me without reguard for the kindness and compassion I have shown them throughout our relationship if they found out I was a part of this community. It makes my heart very weary living what seems to be two lives in this world, but it is the sacrifice I have to make at this time.So much in this world could be solved with compassion, kindness, understanding and love. It is unfortunate so many view those traits as weakness. -rotluvredit: wording
Southy you can drop by my rock garden anytime you need a break..Rot there is a fine line between paranoia [thankyou for spelling] and common senceTake care allRus
I hope I'll have a chance to see the docu some time. I'm sure it'll be an interesting watch But I guess it won't be on Discovery Channel any time soon Still, I hope it paints a decent picture and despite of how gross I know this sounds for most people, might perhaps still change the minds of a few.
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Well I dont know really what to say here ,I saw that southy has gotten a little order to the comment section there ,so have vented in a hopefully positive fasion by offering those idiots insight ...
Me too, I am still at it too think it's probably going in one ear and out the other tho, who cares, if it stops just one person from hitting first and then asking questions later or one zoophile from being dobbed in by someone who doesnt understand then it is worth it.
Actually the one called "eyes wide shut" while against the idea, is at least making an attempt to understand our side of thingsas for the religious aspect, i posted some things that are in the bible that they dont preach, like owning slaves etc. I noticed noone cared to touch that lolGS
I'll need to chew on all this a while before I can hope to say anything coherent. I'm just so glad we have BF. This place has been a refuge for me since I found it.And Southy, thanks for being vunerable and sharing some of your experience with us. I agree, war would be a disaster.Anyway, I'm off to mull... DarkShadow
Reaction to the movie doesn't surprise me too much. Sorry that it got made, can't really see much good coming from it. I have a feeling some people from that forum have made their way here.
QUOTE (Itzwolf @ Jan 31 2007, 07:09 PM) Reaction to the movie doesn't surprise me too much. Sorry that it got made, can't really see much good coming from it. agreed. I can see this causing more harm than good to the zoo community.
I don't see the comments area anymore, did they remove it?
no its still going strong
I made a post around page 72 or so, which to the best of my knowledge was never replied to, and due to the sheer blindness of the VAST majority of posters, I left it at that. After hearing that the conversation had taken a turn for the better, I was thinking about jumping back in. I read the last 3 pages and decided that I simply don't have the patience to really get into it with those people. I also can't say I really care whether or not they actually understand since it obvious that they don't even want to. Trying to convince me that what I do is wrong by using blanket statements quoted from some supposed "psychological study" (which have conflicting reports BTW), isn't exactly going to work. Let me live my life. I don't know them, and they don't know me so how can someone who has never met me know what is best for me? I bet they don't like to be told how to live their lives either. The hypocrisy demonstrated by some people I find to be simply appalling. At this point, I'd rather just sit happily in the shadows of society, than go through with the inevitable witch-hunt should we get more publicity (and I imagine a few of you would agree).
Its not too bad at the moment, theres a few like "sunflower" that are ignorant to the extreme, but it was fun showing how dumb they really were.Eyes wide shut on the other hand, though not into this at all, is actually a nice guy that simply had some questions about the subject.Its at about 1940 posts now and still going.GS
my dog is kinda pure, has no concept about good and evil, and that’s why I tried to lick him, he got shy and it didn’t work out. Then I got shy, and then whole thing got weirdIve got a new camera now will post some soon
QUOTE (debbypopins @ Feb 2 2007, 08:07 PM) my dog is kinda pure, has no concept about good and evil, and that’s why I tried to lick him, he got shy and it didn’t work out. Then I got shy, and then whole thing got weirdIve got a new camera now will post some soon Does this have anything to do with the topic of this thread?
QUOTE (KnotBigEnough @ Feb 2 2007, 01:23 PM)QUOTE (debbypopins @ Feb 2 2007, 08:07 PM) my dog is kinda pure, has no concept about good and evil, and that’s why I tried to lick him, he got shy and it didn’t work out. Then I got shy, and then whole thing got weirdIve got a new camera now will post some soon Does this have anything to do with the topic of this thread?It was probably assumed this was a thread for people to post movies as the title can be deceptive if you haven't read the original posts.As far as I'm concerned people will never except relation/ships with animals no matter what studies come out. It doesn't bother me like others have posted, the shadows will always welcome us. People don't need to know what we do, they have the choice to knot sneak into our house and spy on us with our animals, which they don't luckily. It's the same idea as the movie really, except some people feel a movie is intruding on their beliefs even though they don't have to watch it. Sometimes I get the idea that everyone is afraid that one day were all going to be out in broad daylight letting our dogs mount us in front of a church or on the lawn next to the street where kids are playing a basketball game. I'm just happy to be able to take my dogs out for a walk in the public and play around with them like any normal person would. No matter which way the subject goes we will always be able to do that.The only hindrance I see now is some countries/states are trying to pass laws to have you labeled as a sex offender, which then you probably wouldn't be able to take a dog out for a walk, or even own one for that matter.
It horrifies me how determined humans can be to hate other people just because they exist. This is not the place for a diatribe *takes several giant steps away from the soapbox* but it does disturb me that most of the time the people who are the most hateful in the article's comment pages (and in life in general) are usually the "religious" people who should, according to their own scriptures, be the most loving. QUOTE (Sulphide @ Feb 2 2007, 01:52 PM)The only hindrance I see now is some countries/states are trying to pass laws to have you labeled as a sex offender, which then you probably wouldn't be able to take a dog out for a walk, or even own one for that matter.So much of my relationship with dogs is normal pet/owner stuff. My dogs mean the world to me in a way that most people don't understand, and ultimatly in a way than non-zoos just can't understand. The idea that I would be shunned if I were found out is bad enough. The idea that I would be labled and never allowed to own or interact with dogs again... I wouldn't be able to stand it. QUOTE (silverwolf768 @ Feb 1 2007, 10:57 AM) At this point, I'd rather just sit happily in the shadows of society, than go through with the inevitable witch-hunt should we get more publicity.I agree. I worry enough about being found out enough as it is... I certainly don't need "normal" people taking second looks at the relationships between me and my dogs. It's my dream to have several dogs some day, and whether or not we are ever sexually involved, I know I will be very close to my dogs, it's just how I am. And the idea of being watched for signs of being a zoo... ugg! I mean, it happens to be true in my case. But even if it weren't, I wouldn't want to have to curb my affection for my dogs just in case someone is watching. As much as I would love to be able to openly live as a zoo, I doubt any of us will ever see a world where zoos can declare themselves without fear of all sorts of repercussions. Just look at how far s have come over the years, and still there are so many people who adamantly hate them. And that's still within the same species. I think tolerance, much less acceptance, of zoophilia is still a long ways away. It's tempting to see the movie (assuming it does show zoos in a fair light) as positive publicity. But I'm not so sure publicity in any form is good for zoos right now. I think it was Southy who pointed out that zoos are actually a very, very small percentage of the overall population, and that we just don't have the numbers to survive a true war. And he's right. BF has shown me that I'm not alone, none of us are. But even though we're not alone, we are compleatly outnumbered, and even if public opinion became fractured, we just don't have the numbers to deffend ourselves in any kind of vote. Even slight opposition would wipe us out legally. And I think that if the public realized that zoophilia is more than a random passing fetish for a few extreem weirdos, we won't have slight opposition, we will have massive opposition. And that really scares me.DarkShadow
QUOTE I think it was Southy who pointed out that zoos are actually a very, very small percentage of the overall population, and that we just don't have the numbers to survive a true war. And he's right. BF has shown me that I'm not alone, none of us are. But even though we're not alone, we are compleatly outnumbered, and even if public opinion became fractured, we just don't have the numbers to deffend ourselves in any kind of vote. Even slight opposition would wipe us out legally. And I think that if the public realized that zoophilia is more than a random passing fetish for a few extreem weirdos, we won't have slight opposition, we will have massive opposition. And that really scares me.Zoos were expressing those same concerns online ten years ago. The problem is, it was already too late to hope for invisibility even back then. There were shrill flame exchanges like in that comments area, but it was all among zoos, those who wanted to wave the flag and those who wanted to hide in the bunker.It's an unfortunate coincidence that pop culture media are always looking for the next shock that can generate "buzz" and something taboo like zoo is a very tempting subject. Look at the zoo gags in Family Guy, for example. So we run a risk of being brought out into public awareness, through joke writers and pornographers.The comments are full of ignorance and hatred - the ignorance can be fixed, but I'm afraid the hatred will remain much longer, as it still does against the s.And, I also suspect that another area of ignorance is among zoos who don't even know that other zoos exist - how many people here once thought "I must be the only one who does this" until they found some sort of zoo content somewhere? I suspect there is a very large number of people who are or have been zoo-active, without ever knowing (or even wanting to know) about other zoos.
QUOTE (darkshadowsearcher @ Feb 3 2007, 06:37 AM) It horrifies me how determined humans can be to hate other people just because they exist. This is not the place for a diatribe *takes several giant steps away from the soapbox* but it does disturb me that most of the time the people who are the most hateful in the article's comment pages (and in life in general) are usually the "religious" people who should, according to their own scriptures, be the most loving. There is so much hypocrisy in this world its just unbelievable. I mean we humans barely can get along with each other without hatred of another persons lifestyle. We humans all did bad things one time or another. Whats bugs me is to why its okay to commit some bad things such as robbery and killing each other and then look on zoophilia with such hatred. Lets face it, sooner or later the human race is going to destroy it's self because of ignorance and blind hated. (But hey thats my option that what is going to happen if we keep this up. Oh wait its already happening now). Since religion is not to be be discussed on here I will not go in to that because I can rant on that in this topic of "religious."
QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Feb 3 2007, 03:40 AM)Zoos were expressing those same concerns online ten years ago. The problem is, it was already too late to hope for invisibility even back then. There were shrill flame exchanges like in that comments area, but it was all among zoos, those who wanted to wave the flag and those who wanted to hide in the bunker.It's an unfortunate coincidence that pop culture media are always looking for the next shock that can generate "buzz" and something taboo like zoo is a very tempting subject. Look at the zoo gags in Family Guy, for example. So we run a risk of being brought out into public awareness, through joke writers and pornographers.The comments are full of ignorance and hatred - the ignorance can be fixed, but I'm afraid the hatred will remain much longer, as it still does against the s.And, I also suspect that another area of ignorance is among zoos who don't even know that other zoos exist - how many people here once thought "I must be the only one who does this" until they found some sort of zoo content somewhere? I suspect there is a very large number of people who are or have been zoo-active, without ever knowing (or even wanting to know) about other zoos.I gotta admit you're right about ignorance among zoos... up until a year, year and a half ago I was compleatly unaware the term even existed, much less that there were other people out there to whom it applied. I guess I used to think of the innuendous in Family Guy as mostly harmless and slightly positive. Making jokes about it make the public aware of it in a non-threatening way. They know it's a joke, so they dissmiss it. But at the same time, after enough jokes, people have become desensitized so that the idea isn't quite so shocking. I don't pretend to actually understand how public oppinion actually works, but it seems like after enough after enough jokes and innuendous, disscussion would its lose shock value, and eventually news of the act itself wouldn't horrify the public like it once would have.But this new movie documenting real life zoos... I think the public is far from ready to accept that there are people out there who actually do this for real. And again, I don't nessisarilly know what I'm talking about when it comes to how public oppinion reacts to stimuli... But it will be interesting to see what changes might show up in Family Guy.... QUOTE (Tabby104 @ Feb 3 2007, 04:55 AM)QUOTE (darkshadowsearcher @ Feb 3 2007, 06:37 AM) It horrifies me how determined humans can be to hate other people just because they exist. This is not the place for a diatribe *takes several giant steps away from the soapbox* but it does disturb me that most of the time the people who are the most hateful in the article's comment pages (and in life in general) are usually the "religious" people who should, according to their own scriptures, be the most loving. There is so much hypocrisy in this world its just unbelievable. I mean we humans barely can get along with each other without hatred of another persons lifestyle. We humans all did bad things one time or another. Whats bugs me is to why its okay to commit some bad things such as robbery and killing each other and then look on zoophilia with such hatred. Lets face it, sooner or later the human race is going to destroy it's self because of ignorance and blind hated. (But hey thats my option that what is going to happen if we keep this up. Oh wait its already happening now). Since religion is not to be be discussed on here I will not go in to that because I can rant on that in this topic of "religious." Yeah. I'm always shocked at how much hate humans can spew at one another. I can understand being uncomfortable around people who are different, but to hate a person for being different? I don't understand it. Judge me for who I am when you get to know me a little, not for the first thing you see when you look at me. They say respect has to be earned. Well, I think the right to judge is (or should be) earned also. What right do I have to look at a perfect stranger and dissmiss them as a person? I don't know them. I know nothing about them other than what I see. Unless I'm willing to take the time to get to know them a little, what right do I have to judge them? Anyway, ranting doesn't really do a lot of good, so I'll stop now...
QUOTE (Sulphide @ Feb 2 2007, 03:52 PM) QUOTE (KnotBigEnough @ Feb 2 2007, 01:23 PM)QUOTE (debbypopins @ Feb 2 2007, 08:07 PM) my dog is kinda pure, has no concept about good and evil, and that’s why I tried to lick him, he got shy and it didn’t work out. Then I got shy, and then whole thing got weirdIve got a new camera now will post some soon Does this have anything to do with the topic of this thread?It was probably assumed this was a thread for people to post movies as the title can be deceptive if you haven't read the original posts.As far as I'm concerned people will never except relation/ships with animals no matter what studies come out. It doesn't bother me like others have posted, the shadows will always welcome us. People don't need to know what we do, they have the choice to knot sneak into our house and spy on us with our animals, which they don't luckily. It's the same idea as the movie really, except some people feel a movie is intruding on their beliefs even though they don't have to watch it. Sometimes I get the idea that everyone is afraid that one day were all going to be out in broad daylight letting our dogs mount us in front of a church or on the lawn next to the street where kids are playing a basketball game. I'm just happy to be able to take my dogs out for a walk in the public and play around with them like any normal person would. No matter which way the subject goes we will always be able to do that.The only hindrance I see now is some countries/states are trying to pass laws to have you labeled as a sex offender, which then you probably wouldn't be able to take a dog out for a walk, or even own one for that matter. I thought about this for awhile. I can see the religous freaks point of view in a sense. They were raised being told that it is wrong and sick. Even if they do not see it, they are apauled by it. Well, if a movie came out about people who enjoy killing and mutilating animals for the fun of it and there turned out to be a large (fairly) community of them with them doing it everday I would be apauled and shocked by the mere knowledge of it. I would want the movie gone, and I am sure many others here would to
You want videos of people enjoying themselves killing animals? Turn on your television and watch the "sportsmen" showing off their trophies.
Southy went to some personal pain to make a very good point in this thredI urge people to go back amd read it.Reality of a groop of people with a political moral message.They act as the mob they are.There is no reason. Only violent hate.Tear gassbottles with gass in themclubsbullitspeople badly hurt or killed.Then the police do not care if your animal is maimed or killedThey cant solve all the murdersRiot duty stinkesBeen there Done that allreadyHIDE peopleyou do not want to go to the alternativeSorryRus
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"Zoo" is playing in Cleveland on Wednesday March 21st. The link is at http://www.clevelandfilm.org/ciff_films_find.php?fid=2234.
I really hope they put this on DVD.Wow, I of course heard about that guy, I wondered if he might have been on the forums, he was? No disrespect here, just wish I could've known him too. RIP. Man, that does sound abit cold! Sorry!
Oh, that synopsis sounds nasty. Well, maybe the public will think there's no zoo community because we all die of perforated colons...
I'm sorry folks but I have to say this..where do some people come from and what makes them think they can dictate what people can or can't do. they say animals are stupid. that's a bunch of (poop) they know what they want, they can volcalize,or communicate (sometimes better then some of us can)..I know I should'nt but here goes... some religions started out with beastility involved.before they changed.. (pagenisim) but did they all change there ways???all they do is try to dicdate there view and push their belielfs on you,which is not right.. everyone has the right to do what they want as long as their not hurting anyone or anything..people should stop and look in their own back yard before complaining about there niebors yard..because their probley doing far worse thing then they think we are doing...alot of people on the other forum are prejutist because they understand our lifestyle.or beliefes..hope this to neg..I just get tired of getting steriotypted and being told what we can or can't do...well thanks for letting me rant.I fill lot's better at the moment..take care and be safe..horny in so cal
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Reading those reviews broke my heart in more ways than one
I wanted to see this film.Is it available for free?Can I purchase it from somewhere?(If you know how I can do that, please, PM-me)
The thread is still going, all the haters have left. Only the openminded remain.
Southy does raise some good points, we are a really small percetage of people, even if you take into acount there are more of us out there than we think. People who aren't on boards like bf or simply don't even know there is a name for what they feel.I am going to disagree with his statment about it being a war, calling it a war means we might win. However I belive if it did come to people takeing it to a fight it would be more like slaughter or genocide than a war on our part. The only way we could even remotly stand a chance is if we had some very powerfull people on our side. I hate the idea of never fighting for my beliefs but even a tree knows when to bend in a storm to keep from breaking.As for how much hate and wrath people can bring is amasing, stop and think most medical advaces are made during war, every conflict we manage to invent new ways to kill our selves. The nuke was devised out of pure hate as a way to control ultimet wrath. I skimmed through the coments and can say that nothing suprized or shocked me in any of there responces other than the people of bf and a few freinds the human race is truly the worst thing on this planet.
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I read the rewiew and the comments..some of them, didnt really want to readthat many, ghastly ppl with their religious misunderstandings. Bah.I am a member of a very large bdsm community here and not even in thatcommunity - also threatened by bigotry and misunderstandings from the vanilla squad - who should be tolerant, is it possible to talk about being a zoo.Some guy tried and got totally hated and attacked in the forum. Sad.But there were voices from some leading ppl there, who maintained that thecommunity has an interest in being tolerant to other people with the sameproblems of being hunted by the vanillas. There is hope, but I must say I thinkwe have nothing to gain by getting out. Sure, its nice to be able to talk freelyabout stuff you love, but not talking might be a small price to pay, to get outof being shunned or worse.
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QUOTE (gotstalked @ Mar 29 2007, 08:31 PM) The thread is still going, all the haters have left. Only the openminded remain. Strange...I don't see the comments section on that page anymore....
Tabby, not sure if its acceptable to post the direct link here or not, but if you would like i can send it to you in PM. G.S.
QUOTE (gotstalked @ Mar 29 2007, 11:28 PM) Tabby, not sure if its acceptable to post the direct link here or not, but if you would like i can send it to you in PM. G.S. I found it already. But thanks anyways.
can someone help me, ive used the link posted in the beginning, but the comments thing isnt there for me, is there a new link?
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I have learnded that people allways works in two modes, if they feel they are weaker they cry for tolerance, accepting others and the like, but the minute they become strong, that unifiying tolerating agenda is tossed aside and the we rule and you must be like us agenda comes in...Examples:Catholics in Roman era (cat food in the circus) had internally serious debates on including non jew believers in, in the middle ages they had a rather nasty guy called Torquemada, his job was to make sure noone believed anything else than that what the church said to be true.Jews were target for persecution and execution in Germany, nowdays they do the same in PallestinaMuslims state that Crhistians and Jews are "brother" peoples and in Jerusalem at the time of the cursades they respected those religions, but in modern Egypt, the Muslim majority is known to kidnap Copt girls and forcibly turn them into Muslims (Copts are a tribe of Christianity for those who don't know... like me 45 minutes ago ) comunity says vanillas are intolerant and agressive to them, but in turn repress the bisexuals (rode that on wikipedia)So, what's wrong with having a little fun by pressing a percieved minority to be like us?Answer... can you say Columbine?Ok, I know that is valid only for LARGE [SPAM], because you will allways find the dope who believed the original agenda and will adhere to it regardless of the size of their peers.
This is the link i use to get therehttp://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-fl...L/p123#lastPostG.S.
LOL nevermind ill PM it to ya
Ok, so i'm not sure how widespread this is, but i'm a generation below those ignorant commentors...I told two people, and thorugh discussion, three others have found out. ~One person is a fundamentalist conservative (who is homophobic). He has no problem with it, as long as "i don't do 'anything' with my dog while he's around."~Two of them are pastors children (they told their parents harmlessly) and the whole family's fine with it. I've talked to them about it several times. ~One kid is a marine nut and he's headed off to Iraq soon ( ) and he's fine with it (he actually thinks it's kinda funny)~And the last is the 'average' eighteen year old. He's fine with it as well.My generation (at least in my area) seems fine with it. I've started random discussions about it at the lunch table and in band, and the worst thing i've seen is an off-color joke (which i often find quite funny).Now i have not told my parents, but one of my friends was joking about strange fetishes when my mom got involved in the conversation and spoke her mind about how those people 'should all be shot!' Beastiality was one of the things he mentioned, so it seems i'm not telling them anytime soon...This generation seems to be a lot more accepting of 'deviations' then the last.p.s. The topic is not even something looked down on anymore...acceptance may not be as hard as people think, i have it...
I watched the film and found it rather disturbing.My mother knows I'm ... well... that I used to have sex with the dog.
QUOTE (gotstalked @ Mar 29 2007, 11:14 PM) LOL nevermind ill PM it to ya Me 2 please
QUOTE (MoonSong @ Apr 4 2007, 10:12 PM) I watched the film and found it rather disturbing.My mother knows I'm ... well... that I used to have sex with the dog. where did u c it at?
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QUOTE (Prince_Xizor @ Apr 5 2007, 10:20 PM) QUOTE (gotstalked @ Mar 29 2007, 11:14 PM) LOL nevermind ill PM it to ya Me 2 please me too..also
Yes, i think this is great for to at least get the message out there that there are people like us in the world and we need to be at least semi-accepted in the population of the world as well. And amen to those who were in the film because I could never do that. Bless them all and spread the message.
My girlfriend and I are going to go see the movie when it hits Portland next month. I screamed when I saw the poster for it at a local theater... I am so excited to see it and learn what I can. I want to know what points might be being driven in this documentary...
not 100% sure if this is allowed, mods feel free to correct me, but the movie is called "stay" or "sleeping dogs lie" both titles are on Torrentspy.com i watched the movie with my partner who dosnt know i am in to Zoo so getting his reaction was worth it. seems he may be another i dont tell about it. oh well.but the movie on whole, not too bad, you could tell it was a independent movie from the acting etc, but on a whole, not too bad. would have love to seen the reaction of an audience should they have atcually shown her doing what she did.sorry if this has been posted before only theres alot of pages to go though!
For those who still want the link to the discussion boards, I will provide it. It is currently 140 pages long, at 2784 posts. The hate-spewing people are long gone, and the few who remain are friendly with each other, ask valid questions, and get valid answers. I'd advise reading a few of the most recent pages before adding any new comments.With that said, here's the link:http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-fl...RUR9RV5OVVIVNELNow it's been 3 months since the documentary was announced in the initial news post, and it's almost 2 months since I first stumbled upon this topic back when I was a lurker. Yet in that time, I hadn't heard of any updated news on the film, with the exception of a few people who mentioned to have seen it. Those who have claimed to have seen the film have not offered much detail over the content, or how it is portrayed.My latest search for information on the film revealed a news article that I found somewhat interesting, offering a bit more general detail about the film than the initial Sundance articles. (This article written April 1, 2007) :http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/movies/0...49df40a&ei=5087Upon further searching, I found that "Zoo" is being distributed by ThinkFilm, and their website states the following release dates:April 25, 2007 - NYMay 4, 2007 - LAI'm still interested in seeing this, although I'm doubting it will be shown anywhere near my area. The ThinkFilm website doesn't have any mention about DVD availability yet, which is not surprising since it's not officially released. I'll try to keep watch on it and maybe post news about it if it's made available.
Here's a link to an interview with the filmaker: Robinson Devor. Very interesting...looks like it will at least be non-judgmental.http://radaronline.com/features/2007/02/zo...view_part_1.php
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QUOTE (Clipseh @ Apr 23 2007, 11:41 PM) not 100% sure if this is allowed, mods feel free to correct me, but the movie is called "stay" or "sleeping dogs lie" both titles are on Torrentspy.com i watched the movie with my partner who dosnt know i am in to Zoo so getting his reaction was worth it. seems he may be another i dont tell about it. oh well.but the movie on whole, not too bad, you could tell it was a independent movie from the acting etc, but on a whole, not too bad. would have love to seen the reaction of an audience should they have atcually shown her doing what she did.sorry if this has been posted before only theres alot of pages to go though! Actually you're wrong, the movie under discussion in this thread is an indepandant movie done by previously unknown director and writer. Dealing in a roundabout way with Enumclaw even. "Let sleeping dogs lie" is a mainstream file done by Bobcat Golthwait, and is strictly fiction. In fact Sleeping dogs has recently gone to DVD. He was on the Adam Carola show about two weeks ago touting the DVD release.
Has anyone here seen this film yet?
I just found this film will be released on DVD Sept 18th. Amazon.com is taking advance orders. (under $20.00).This film has a lot of positive reviews, and I read somewhere that the Mr. Hands role is played by a priest.
QUOTE (Jovian @ Jan 26 2007, 04:02 AM)While the uninformed, automatic intolerance from most of those who commented disgusts me, I found myself laughing out loud at some of the cheap shot jokes made at our expense.Overall, I was going fine, just brushing off the stupidity or outright ignoring the worst of it. Unfortunately, this particular comment caught my eye:QUOTE Jim S:It is a shame that American values have fallen to the level where a movie about beastiality is now considered art and not the worst kind of pornography.I can understand how puritan values exist in society, etc., etc., but he is honestly calling bestiality worse than snuff films? If ever there was a cause for concern about where the country was headed... Yup, we, as a species, seem to be pretty much on a downward spiral, as lifeforms on this planet. Funny, still,, when Edison invented the motion pictures concept, those many years ago, there have been those, who, claim, that they were against war/violence/anything bad in general and saying that, in a tone, that the listener knows, the other person really is not serious. Yes, anything of sexuality, especially the fringes, gets the loudest screaming and yelling for them. In other words, it seems that certain cultures, that's including ours, readily accept killing, but sex, has been deemed the work of the devil and MUST be eradicated for a good moral society. Personally, I see that as a big crock of sanctimonious bullshit. Cow_Poke
OH,, BTW,, I don't know how true this is, but someone e-mailed me, with the claim, the reason most the the early comments on the blog thread were so negative, was that the "blind sheep", following their leaders, were told to click onto that blog and make nasty comments. Isn't the same kind of mindless mind control, the Jim Jones/David Koresh and countless others have used to get others, who had NOT made any decisions yet, to make a decision, based on the information-HEY, you have to think this way [on a given subject] because your relatives/neighbors/friends have all made this choice-so should you. This sort of technique has been around for a long, long time. Oh, it was also used by the Nazis too. So, now, most of the "followers" have moved onto other issues. Most of what makes this film seem rather silly, is the "re-enactments" of events, NOT as they were, but how they were reported by the media. And second; some of the stupid shit, said by some of the so called experts, IE: the horse rescuer woman, who was claiming to be an animal behavior expert that most any sane person, would know, has no validity. , making all sorts of outlandish claims, Cow_Poke
I rarely post, mostly read and have little to no experience in being a zoo. Only recently have I begun to notice my feelings and felt their growth each passing day. Also, first off I'd like to say I've very thankful for this forum. It has opened my eyes in many ways that I won't go on rambling about.I know everyone here would like to be more open and free with their sexuality. Of course it would be a dream come true if we could live our lives without hesitation or secrecy. There has to be a long, drawn out process to accepting anything even for one person, let alone billions. I personally see a significant difference to all sexualities, but that's just me. Even with the slow acceptance of s there continues to be prejudices. Being accepted in the mainstream still isn't everyone. A movie like this and any sort of focus or exposure could be doing more harm than good. It could put a dangerous spotlight on all of us. We already have to dodge bullets, let's not load the gun and paint ourselves as targets.
CatchWell saidWelcome to postingAnd your opinion is on target [pun > no pun intended]We all pay a price for the life style.pull up your lap top and welcome to the ride..I need to turn in but I will post tomorow on this..Rus
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Just wanted to give everyone an update.The documentary WILL be released on DVD - September 18th!
QUOTE (energydog @ Aug 14 2007, 06:09 PM) Thanks Prince Welcome Bump
Hmm, I had almost forgotten about this film, glad you brought it up again.Looking again at some of the general scores for this film, it's interesting to see that despite how many people claim to hate the subject, the film appears to be getting generally favorable reviews. I happened to look it up on IMDB, and I was amused at how so many of the user votes were mostly tens and ones, with comparatively few in-between.Only about a month until it comes out, I'm once again anxious to see it for myself. I'm also interested in how the greater public will react, since it will undoubtedly get a lot more exposure from DVD distribution than it would playing in select theaters.
well - i am kinda surprised that now the movie has been released on dvd that no one has come in and made any comments....i bought a copy -actually my copy was a gift from two forum members has anyone else watched the film
When I saw it a while ago, I didn't fully know what to expect going in, but it was non-judgmental and not sensational in the least. It presents the facts that were expressed at the time by the media (which is where the majority get their information), and it lets those who were present give details about the full story. Overall I don't see this movie having much of an impact as many will avoid it based on subject matter, but those that do, might have their stance softened a bit, as it makes it evident that we, and more specifically, the people involved are not monsters. Whether or not they believe it though, is another issue entirely.
My wife gave me the movie as a DVD for Christmas and based on all the up-front discussions, I was really excited...I don't know, what I expected, but I don't think it really answered any questions or showed a whole lot of our world ( at least not my world ) I am glad the point came across, that Zoos are normal, productive members of society, who socialize and live more-or-less normal lives, having normal jobs and connections to the world, but will it help to convince others NOT to see us as deviant perverts ........ I don't think so !!! Some interviews ( e.g. with the actor ( playing the cop ) ) were out of contents and added nothing but empty time... It might be a "teaser" to some people to get more information about the subject and might provide a platform for following media on the same subject , but I don't think it will change anything other than the public being more aware of the topic, which most likely will result in more flames being spread, which nobody will be interested in ...so....having said that .... it made no difference. Was it supposed to ? I was hoping so, but I guess, that was not the mandate....Nice movie to see on a cold Alberta winter night with some other Zoos as a discussion point ...award-winning ? NoIf I had to rate it .... 3 out of 5IZ/
Man, reminds me of reactions to "Brokeback Mountain", but... like, x10 or more. I didn't see either that or "Zoo", but it's another one of those things where you either look at it from a non-biased point of view, and see the movie for what it's trying to convey, or you're an ignoramus and you reject it before it even starts. I think I'll rent/buy this DVD and see it for myself... my mother was a film major, and she taught me everything I know about movies, which is something I've been putting into practice for a while, now. When I get it, I'll see what my knowledge of what makes a good movie says about it...
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