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I read this story on yahoo today...hope it's not someone who comes herehttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/loca...stiality20.html
I do not think his wife liked him much Rus
Personally, I don't know how a wife could call the police on her husband (other then if it was something incredibly serious like homicide etc.), unless she really wasn't happy with him to begin with. I couldn't imagine sending someone I loved, knowingly, to jail... But there's all types in this world. *sigh*
Hope they don't crucify the poor bloke just to "make an example"
QUOTE (furisforfun @ Oct 21 2006, 12:25 AM) Hope they don't crucify the poor bloke just to "make an example" Eh, sorry furis, but I am guessing that is what will happen. Even if he makes a good case for himself, he will be the first to be tried.... cant set the bar low now can they....I am curious though, what you guys think would help the guy's case... of course we dont know exactly what is going on, but what would be less frowned upon and potentially help reduce the guys judgement?I am thinkin, one thing, is a vet that finds the animal physically AND mentally unharmed by the relationship... But what about the "consent" issue? Anything else can you think of?
QUOTE (Särx @ Oct 21 2006, 07:05 AM) Personally, I don't know how a wife could call the police on her husband (other then if it was something incredibly serious like homicide etc.), unless she really wasn't happy with him to begin with. I couldn't imagine sending someone I loved, knowingly, to jail... But there's all types in this world. *sigh* EXACTLY!!!... And I wonder how this falls under "animal cruelty"?... how could they prove, what he did, was "cruel"?...
To me there is something a bit fishy about this story. Would you run and get your cell phone and take pics if you just caught your hubby? and would he so openly have sex when his wife was around? My guess is she knew about it all along and happily took pics, something else has gone wrong and she has dobbed him in to the police to get back at him. I could be wrong but it seems very bizarre to think on the spur of the moment 'oh better get the camera out and get proof'
After reading the article from the Seattle Times, I thought the same thing that Shylark mentioned. There is a strong suspicion in my mind that something else has gone on between that couple and she had a fit and took the pictures to "fix his booty" (no pun intended). It still remains, there are those that are going to make "political hay" from this and the man is in serious trouble as it is mentioned in the paper that this is now a class C felony in the state of Washington. They call it cruelty to animals. I fail to see how having sex is cruel, but that is what they are calling it in Washington State.
I think a vet visit would be sensable, and maybe a behaviorist examination of the dog's mental wellbeing and behavior, but even then, I'm sure they'll go off on some tangeant about how the poor dog's innocence has been raped, stolen, and that's not something that can be repaired, etc.. *rolls eyes*It's definitely not so much cruelty to animals as it is sacrelige to the public's morals. If you ask me, the animal cruelty thing is just something they came up with so they had an excuse to make it illegal.I know there are instances where some low-life has actually harmed the animal, but they've pushed animal cruelty beyond that, to encompass any sexual actions towards an animal are harmful (eihter mentally/emotionally or physically, it doesn't matter to the legal system, the person defied "morals")Even if they could somehow prove that animals can give consent (bring in an animal sexual behavior specialist? lol I don't know, bring up the point that, I'm assuming, no restraints were used and the pitty could've freely turned on the man to defend herself if she hadn't wanted to) I'm sure they would whip out that "Well, the dog is under 18 years of age, so can't legally consent anyways.".And since all involved are humans, with morals, there's no telling if the vet could find something that wasn't really there, or the behaviorist look to deeply into something, or the wife claim the dog acts completely different now (which wouldn't hold if he's been doing it for awhile?).Would it even help for the man to say, talk about flagging and all the other signals? Probably not... Though I think it would be smart for him to seem very knowledgable about dogs and behavior... But then the wife would probably just call it cheating too.
I have never brought up this type of sex with any of our vets. I trust all of them and out of sight out of mind. Any public knowledge of this will come to no good. We are a minority who use the net to communicate. If the general public want to or feel the need to connect the dots we are in deep. We need to keep to our selves with out indangering our partners or our selves. Axcedents can happen but we can not afford any. We are a minority and our piece continued envolvment and this forum all rely on us not attracting any attention from the outside.Think how things have changedLook how many peoples dogs are neutered why?There sex lives have been considered unexceptable dirty. Grab your leg ust to be a joke now its an insult. People hide there breeding horses the neighbors find it discusting.The old days none of this mattered.If I cant breed a mare in a riding ring how do you think people react to to a person breeding her. We need to see the changes and adapt to not cause people to take notice.Being kind and nonconfrontational and out of sight to our selves is the way to go.Rus
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Thankyou Wild for the edit.My apologies for the type OI hope you were the only person to ketch the post as typed.I type so slow and think so fast pushed send to soon.PeopleI would never delebertally be disrespectfull to anyone here.Thankyou for your past and future support.YoursRus
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QUOTE And since all involved are humans, with morals, there's no telling if the vet could find something that wasn't really there, or the behaviorist look to deeply into something,Hmm, I actually didn't think of how the personal views of the vet/behaviourist may cause him/her to be deceptive or bend the truth.... The dog would have to be checked in a way that wouldn't allow personal prejudices to hamper the examination.QUOTE It's definitely not so much cruelty to animals as it is sacrelige to the public's moralsTrue..... but it is difficult for many people to not bring their personal/religious beliefs into something like this. I mean, even the /lesbian thing is still heatedly debated.... and that involves members of the SAME species....Also, if brought up, I think the guy should admit to cheating... unless he could prove his wife knew about it and accepted it (though he most likely kept it secret)It almost seems like playing the alcohilism/insanity card would have better chances.... but after you try that, it is difficult to say, "oh, well since you aren't buying the insanity or an alcholic plee, let me tell you why what I was doing is ok....."So far we have (in order of importance);- Positive Vet/Behavioural check- A good/decent arguement that she was consenting- Lack of restraints- He has done his research on dogs in general, and seems knowledgeable on their behavioursThanks for the response.... anyone have anything else?
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QUOTE We are a minority and our piece continued envolvment and this forum all rely on us not attracting any attention from the outside.I understand what you are saying, but I feel that if we just hide out and do nothing others will get the wrong idea.... taking the extreme examples and trying to define bestiality/zoophilia in the worst light possible. The whole bestiality topic is slowly working its way into society, becoming more and more known... still taboo, but somewhat discussed/debated.I think one of our better defenses is to simply be informed.... meaning understanding how various types of people may feel and comparing that to our own beliefs. Some things people say are to radical to be considered, but it is still important to try to understand and stay open minded and view boths sides.... regardless if you are for/against it OR plan to publicly express your opinions.I honestly believe/hope many people would settle for increasing punishments for animal cruelity and staying away from bestiality laws.
Good point yes I think the cruality issue needs to be seprated and staying under a rock will not help us with input. Wire's been dealing with this but where he is it is still leagel. In US we are at a starting disadvantage. just a thoughtR
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QUOTE Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer says "There's pretty clear proof what happened to this dog."What happened to the dog? They act like the man sawed off the poor girl's toes or something. From the looks of things the man was just having an affair. Unless - it's not like there was a 'real' offense. Unless there's proof that the bitch was bothered by the owner's actions, or that she was completely raped then the "authorities" shouldn't have any right to arrest him. It gets discouraging to see such human ignorance in action. The charges were definately unfair, yes, but it doesn't look like other zoos are in any position to grab their signs and protest, not now in 2006 anyway. Either way, people who are in control of what is considered legally right or wrong don't know a damn thing about the way animal love works. I doubt such tyrany is going to last over the next few centuries. Even still though, there's something romantic about such a forbidden love. It definately adds to fire during animalistic sex methinks. In fact, I almost feel lucky to be part of such a small group of individuals who understand and practice zoosexualism...because in 220 years or so, you know suddenly everyone's going to be doing it - In the name of being tolerant or 'open minded'...or maybe not (considering new states across America seem to be fabricating new laws against beast sex + more dogs in general are being nuetered.) Actually, it seems like things might get worse over time realistically. It's not like we have any 'rights' to fight for like the s 'n lesbians. We just don't like being persecuted. It's pretty easy to release our animal love in private so I can't see many people who'll find a fight worth the risk. I guess we can rise the awareness but we might get as far as pedophilia will ever get in terms of acceptance. I dunno, I can't predict the future, anything can happen.
Humans and gettocrats trully suck leave us alone after all we don`t hurt animals or people. They need to wakeup and smell the rubber room we now all live in. This is acceptable but this is forbidden for 10,000 years we killed people for doing it,a double standard.
"The dog was squealing and crying, according to charging papers."If so, my sympathy doesn't go out to him. I won't judge him yet though as I suppose the only evidence of abuse so far is the wife saying so.
My question is... "How many people do you know that are either always talking on a cell phone, or have it next to them at all times like a pacifier? Was she always talking on the phone during sex?" But it DOES sound hinky to be doing it on the porch while she is home.
QUOTE (Cetacean @ Oct 23 2006, 03:11 PM) "The dog was squealing and crying, according to charging papers."If so, my sympathy doesn't go out to him. I won't judge him yet though as I suppose the only evidence of abuse so far is the wife saying so. He wont have my sympathy either if it was so.They say it was a pitbull, I think it takes something before they squeal or cry.What really happened will hardly be revealed, becayuse the animal control people will find evidence for animal abuse wether it is there or not.
do not pit bulls have teath? kiddingWire you are right we will never know what happenedIt has issues from the start there are other motovating things to this one.Nothing happens with out a reasonWhat realy happened will be lost with the "reasons" to favor one side or other.Cell phones are common I some times cary two [to lines] the digital cameras are free with them these days.Good thing to remember for us all.This will get worse befor it gets better that is a givenRus
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I'm going to guess the squealing and crying was more something the wife made up to make things worse. Just imagine how pissed off she was to find her husband having an affair, and that he choose the dog over her.
i am sure she knew about it for a while and either wants a divorce settlement of her chosing or the dog was not the only thing he was having on the side..sounds like a complete set up to me...wife leaves - says i will back in two hours waits for it to develop and bingo...bummer dude.
QUOTE (Wirehair @ Oct 23 2006, 05:56 PM) QUOTE (Cetacean @ Oct 23 2006, 03:11 PM) "The dog was squealing and crying, according to charging papers."If so, my sympathy doesn't go out to him. I won't judge him yet though as I suppose the only evidence of abuse so far is the wife saying so. He wont have my sympathy either if it was so.They say it was a pitbull, I think it takes something before they squeal or cry.What really happened will hardly be revealed, becayuse the animal control people will find evidence for animal abuse wether it is there or not. totally agree. We'll probably never know if the dog was actually in pain, or if it was just some BS made up to make the guy look worse in court.
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What a BEATCH! We will probably never know exactly what happened between the man and his wife and the dog but it stands to reason that there was something else going on there. I agree with the other posters that she probably knew all along that he was having sex with his dog; hell, she may have even joined in at times. Then something goes wrong (they have a fight, whatever), yada, yada, yada and she takes her pictures to the police. All the more reason not to trust anyone...
QUOTE (David J. Bailey @ Oct 22 2006, 01:26 AM) The charges were definately unfair, yes, but it doesn't look like other zoos are in any position to grab their signs and protest, not now in 2006 anyway. Either way, people who are in control of what is considered legally right or wrong don't know a damn thing about the way animal love works. I doubt such tyrany is going to last over the next few centuries. because in 220 years or so, you know suddenly everyone's going to be doing it - I dunno, I can't predict the future, anything can happen. ive read an opinion about this somewhere, and it might not be such a great thing if zoophilla was accepted like the s/lesbins, just think about it. parents not wanting to get pets for fear of their kids becoming zoo. and other stuff like that........only time will tell thow.......a few hundred years ago people where killed for having sex in any position other than missionary..........and theres always a chance socity will fall and we go into another dark age.just my two cents
this painfully reminds me of something that happened to me quite awhile ago my second wife and i were playing with our fantasies while having sex one nite andconffessed to her that as aboy i had sex with female dogs and that my fantasy was to see a women having sex with a dog this seemed to turn her on .sometime later someone dumped a huge dog at our place we lived in the country he loked like a dane and lab cross he was with us for a couple of days when i came home from work she told me she played with the dog and she thought he would f--k her as he had mount her clothed so one night she asked me if i would like to watch of course i said yes so we played with the dog a few times she want take pictures so i bought a polaroid and we took some pics then she wanted some of the dog mounting me ok i thought little did i know i was being setup we took pics and i trusted her to keep them then she got a guilty consceince moral values etc.so we stopped i told her destroy the pics well she did all except the ones of mewhich she later showwed to people,because we were always fighting we have been divorced for over 20 yrs i still live in the same town i just never let it bother me my face was obscured in the pics .you got to be careful who you share your fantasies with
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Go not woryThe people just spay neuter everything they get there hands on
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But i have to agree with the people saying that there is something wrong with this story. Because really, i know my boyfriend dosent approve of it after i told him, so knowing that he dosent approve i wouldnt do it knowing he was home. but it dosent say whether or not the wife was home or came home, it just said she caught him. But also the thing about the back porch and the dog crying, It depends if the guy had neighbors or what kind of fence he had wouldnt somebody see? wouldnt some body here the dog? The only reason they put this new bestiality law was because of an incedednt with a man who died after having sex with a horse. when i read the article, apperently i guess the horse stomped him to death. I dont see any cruelty in hurting the dog. dogs have sex with eachother. not only that. dogs have bigger penises as well as the knot than some of us human men. so really its no big deal. WE are loving our animals. But its sad though that he will be the first to be tried
A Guy Died after having sex with a horse?Did the horse kick him?Did he have a heart attack from to much pleasure?Why did they make the law if nothing BAD happened till AFTER they were done?Do they figure the horse quitely resented the sex untill the guy stopped THEN killed him?If the horse had anything to do with the man dieing at all....
QUOTE (shylark @ Oct 21 2006, 12:11 PM)To me there is something a bit fishy about this story. Would you run and get your cell phone and take pics if you just caught your hubby? and would he so openly have sex when his wife was around? My guess is she knew about it all along and happily took pics, something else has gone wrong and she has dobbed him in to the police to get back at him. I could be wrong but it seems very bizarre to think on the spur of the moment 'oh better get the camera out and get proof' You are so right Skylark. I read that and thought several things weird. Why would he do it on the back porch unless he thought it safe (ie: he trusted his wife). And how would she get cell phone photos. Cell phones have a very wide field of view with poor resolution, so she would have to be very close to show much. More over, they typically have a long shutter time. In short, they are terrible for taking such pictures from hiding.There was an equally puzzling and darker story recently: http://ga0.org/indefenseofanimals/notice-d...tter_id=4302076It is the story of an old blind mare who was stolen, roped up, "raped" and thrown from a bridge. The obvious question was how would they know it had been raped? DNA testing takes weeks and the story came out immediately saying it had been raped. Either it was sexually mutilated or someone is stretching to make that claim. In any event, the torch bearing Christian fundamentalists love to make all zoos look like this kind of person and a true zoo is on the opposite end of the spectrum! In truth, I have found the religious fundamentalists are far less animal friendly than us. They hate zoophilia because it puts the animal on the same plain as us (or at least blurs the line of animal-man distinction) and that means you have to deal with all the other inequities (like eating them).OZ
QUOTE (Lamentha @ Oct 26 2006, 12:53 AM) A Guy Died after having sex with a horse?Did the horse kick him?Did he have a heart attack from to much pleasure?Why did they make the law if nothing BAD happened till AFTER they were done?Do they figure the horse quitely resented the sex untill the guy stopped THEN killed him?If the horse had anything to do with the man dieing at all.... Lamentha,The man who died had his colon ruptured. This is a real danger with large stallions and bulls. He was taken to the hospital by a friend and they traced the man back to the ranch from video of the car that dropped him off. The dead man had done that many times and there are many videos of him (Mr. Hands) floating around the internet. The Sheriff's report said there was no evidence of animal abuse, so they couldn't charge the other man. They therefore made a law that defines zoo sex as abuse so they can arrest the next person (which just happened apparently).OZ
The whole idea of getting caught scares me. But I think I am relatively safe considering I have my own animals and I am careful about where I love them. My personal feeling is that I take the very best care of my animals that I can. They are well cared for, and are healthy both psychologically and physically. I never force myself on them, I have a deep love and respect for them, and they seem to enjoy the sensual contact as much as I do. I should be allowed to interract with them however I choose. Unfortunately the law doesn't see it that way.
We all try to be as carefull as we can and I know no one on the board that is active would never injure any one. Nor do we want to visit friends laid up injured. We all need to remember to try to restrict our partners to those we know and in a way to releave pressure not normally there if we have to. It is not like there are classes in this so please those who are interested in larger animals ask and talk about it here. There are some very well informed people here talk to them, ask what if, how.Start slow by hand before exposing your self to mechanical injury. Know what your partners breeding habits are before you start. Remember they may be seasonal breeders, spring can be a turn on in its self.lastlyA long Long time ago I helped out a dog in the early am in an alley. No one was up but us and a vidio camera I did not see. Hay we had a good time he got a hand job but I had to move.Take care allRus
Has anyone else read Harper Lee's To Kill A Mockingbird? I can't help but think of it any time this kind of trial comes up.As to the bloke in question on this occasion, he has two choices. (Assuming he wasnt actually cruel.) He can try and convince the jury the dog wasn't in danger of being harmed, and (on the unlikely chance he's successful) he could get off. Or alternatively he could make the price as high as possible (in military terms) by counter charging his wife with being an accessory to animal cruelty. She did after all film him, rather than call the police or try to intervene.Rona
Well counter charging the wife is useless. With regard to felony level cases, its not a matter who turned him once he's charged. Because the state is the complaintant after the alleged offender is charged. As in "State of Washington vs. John Doe" so, short of his wife saying the pictures are faked, and that she filed a false report, there is no way he's not going to court on this.
He can't be one of us... the pics the wife took aren't in the homemade section
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Just some advice (oddly enough coming from someone with NO zoo experience )Zoophilia is a private thing. But it's not something that should be kept too quiet. In other words, don't fear getting caught. The people who do either actually ABUSE their pets, didn't think properly, or in this case happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. And the people who are caught make up a SMALL percentage of the total zoophiles.In other words, it's not like PETA's going to burst through your door, search your computer and take your pet in for questioning. Just be alert, and especially keep your pet and you safe during the process.And yes, this is probably big news to the non-zoo people. Probably the first thought going through their mind is "That sick, twisted man". Which, really, the wife's much more twisted than he is. Calling the cops on your OWN husband without even talking to him? Recently (I think the link was on here), an article ran about zoophiles, that said we "train our pets to passively accept sexual advances", and even said that we're the same people who "molest children and abuse the elderly"... why that wasn't an editorial is beyond me.In short, love your pet with you heart and not your lust. Be safe, alert, and gentle. And above all, don't live in constant fear of getting caught. So far, the percentages are on our side
I do not think any one should be afraidI am convinced we need to keep a low profile.Life styles out side of blessed sex are by virtue of shear numbers condemed we do not need to be swepted into it.No one will read our e or mail but to have some one find you is not good.Your head goes up you will go down it is the way it is. The news will do the rest.Rus
QUOTE (Old Zoo @ Oct 26 2006, 12:59 AM) QUOTE (shylark @ Oct 21 2006, 12:11 PM)To me there is something a bit fishy about this story. Would you run and get your cell phone and take pics if you just caught your hubby? and would he so openly have sex when his wife was around? My guess is she knew about it all along and happily took pics, something else has gone wrong and she has dobbed him in to the police to get back at him. I could be wrong but it seems very bizarre to think on the spur of the moment 'oh better get the camera out and get proof' You are so right Skylark. I read that and thought several things weird. Why would he do it on the back porch unless he thought it safe (ie: he trusted his wife). And how would she get cell phone photos. Cell phones have a very wide field of view with poor resolution, so she would have to be very close to show much. More over, they typically have a long shutter time. In short, they are terrible for taking such pictures from hiding.There was an equally puzzling and darker story recently: http://ga0.org/indefenseofanimals/notice-d...tter_id=4302076It is the story of an old blind mare who was stolen, roped up, "raped" and thrown from a bridge. The obvious question was how would they know it had been raped? DNA testing takes weeks and the story came out immediately saying it had been raped. Either it was sexually mutilated or someone is stretching to make that claim. In any event, the torch bearing Christian fundamentalists love to make all zoos look like this kind of person and a true zoo is on the opposite end of the spectrum! In truth, I have found the religious fundamentalists are far less animal friendly than us. They hate zoophilia because it puts the animal on the same plain as us (or at least blurs the line of animal-man distinction) and that means you have to deal with all the other inequities (like eating them).OZ What kind of humans could do that to an animal, an old and blind one? SOBs
Well cant say much till we find out how big the mare is or wasThey may think some evil tied her up she ran and went over.Vet could tell right away if he looked for it just not who. Our vets cary rape kits beleave it or not as they respond to criminal complaints.Dont get panicedThey do not care about any kind owner. but if I could not shoot the fool I would be looking for evidence to track him.I have never discused this life style with any of our vets but I have never had any of them say damaging things about zoo etc. I have spent a long time with them armpit deep in mares chatting about many things.I have never used breeding hobbles eather they just do not do the job and are dangerous to everyone.We must be quiet kind out of sight.Best safest with our own animalsIf I see this I would stop it If one of us knew about something like this abuse drop a 25 cent piece. for every one this must be fought quietly and stoped.Rus
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QUOTE (energydog @ Oct 26 2006, 07:25 PM)there is no way he's not going to court on this.Yes, but the point of counter-charging would not be to get off, but to make the wife pay a heavy price for what she did. It's like if an enemy is charging your position, and you know they'll kill you, even if you surrender. In that situation, the only thing you can do is take as many of them with you as possible.
QUOTE (Old Zoo @ Oct 25 2006, 04:59 PM) In any event, the torch bearing Christian fundamentalists love to make all zoos look like this kind of person and a true zoo is on the opposite end of the spectrum! In truth, I have found the religious fundamentalists are far less animal friendly than us. They hate zoophilia because it puts the animal on the same plain as us (or at least blurs the line of animal-man distinction) and that means you have to deal with all the other inequities (like eating them).OZ Oz, you took the words right out of my mouth. This story sounds like a breakup retaliation on her part. I think this may have been a mutual interest and that shows by the phone pictures that were taken. I think this goes to show why im a Zoo and dont trust a lot of human. Its sad
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apologies for writing a topic of this same subject, moderators.This makes..forces, even, zoophiles to believe that nearly no other human being may be trusted. I mean for the own wife to turn her man in..its just horrible and of much deceit.From what I am hearing the "loving" woman owner {she hath not the kindness to be called the animal's guardian} took the pitbull in question to the local pound where she is being sentenced to death simply for being with a human and because the wife does not want the living being anymore {a poor excuse to have the dog culled}. The man suffers serious charges..possibly death {possibly}..the dog to be put to death.....I was not aware that we still lived in the time of the old testament in biblical times..
The dog's being put to death!!?? *head explodes* WTF? That makes absolutely no sense at all... That's like they're admitting that the dog is at fault just as much as the man is! If the dog's a pitiful, violated, innocent victum, why are they punishing her as well? Since when do they punish victums? That's incredibly hypocritical, and setting up the example that dogs -- pets even -- are disposable. "Oh, this was was tarnished, lets throw it away and get one that's sparkling new!".*walks away to go continue rant to herself*Are they afraid that it was a bad influence on the dog and now she'l, if not put to death, go out roaming the streets coercing men into having sex with her?
Well they found we and he love our animals. There was a cat in CON ordered to be distroyed for atacking a neighbor. Bit her, she called the police. My cat hunts me all the time not safe for her to go out. It is a great game play every night.No one said people were nice best to keep away from them.R
And then they DARE say these laws are in the best interest of the animal. She wouldn't be the first animal to be put down because of these laws. Thankfully there are plenty of people willing to take her, so I hope the poor girl will find a loving home.
Ironically, at first I thought it was crazy to legistate "morality", for lack of better term, but at 2nd look, it's probably just another law so they can charge you for just about anything. I think alot of people have heard about this. They talked about it at work before I even knew of this forum.
For those of you that were wondering, here is the link about the whole euthanizing thing. Supposeably the dog has a history of biting and unless the wife reclaims the dog it will be killed.Link
QUOTE (Itzwolf @ Oct 21 2006, 05:57 AM) I read this story on yahoo today...hope it's not someone who comes herehttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/loca...stiality20.html I'm not sure what would be more tragic: If the guy arrested under the new law was a member here, or if the guy that inspired the new law was a member here.
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Actually the man who lost his life was a well liked member. Read back to Old Zoo's post.Rus
Sarx you can talk to my rocks sit in my gardenthey wont mind I'm safe as the old man of laugh In on the park benchEr my horse is like him to though and he can get aroundbut he is a handsom horsenot to much on getting up hes down resting a lotthe male dog better keep his parts to himself if he can..Rus
*can’t resists doing analysis of BF members reactions* Reactions so far:Fear: 6Humor: 5Analysis: 6Concern: 9Indignation: 17Suspicion: 7Devils advocate: 1It would appear that anger, tempered by concern for their brethren and wariness of unlike souls, rules the minds of the average BF posters. In other words the average poster is perfectly human.
Oh wow, that's right in my backyard...
im just shocked that the ratted him out, if it were me, as soon as i was out of the sentence id find whatever dirt on her i could and bury the mother so deep the next time she got laid would be in a prison cell
That's terrifying, that he could spend a year in prison based on ignorant "morality" alone. I'm surprised that his wife called the cops on him, as well.
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Judge not till you walk a mile in the persons shoes.But Act with kindness, respect, and out of sight..We will never knowbut I think every one messed up.Rus
To be honets, I have no idea how beastility is wrong. First of all, if the animal willingly has sex with him, wouldn't it be the same as with a human woman, minus the human part? Second, the woman is a complete . Why would she take pictures of her own husband doing this? She could have confronted him and said "Sweety pie, I saw you with an animal. Do you love it more than me?". Of course, she still probably would do what she did already, so it doesn't matter. I think we can all tell there are problems in their relationship.
I know it is bad to wish ill will on another human being {may the gods forgive this one} but I do hope they find dirt on the woman or she is claimed an unfit mother and her children are taken away leaving her in jail.For what will she do if perhaps one of her children becomes a zoophile? No doubt report them too; there is no room on this planet for cold hearted so called humans.
QUOTE (thisnerd4sale @ Nov 8 2006, 01:54 PM) To be honets, I have no idea how beastility is wrong. First of all, if the animal willingly has sex with him, wouldn't it be the same as with a human woman, minus the human part? simple. it is wrong because they say (or more appropriately, their interpretation of a book says) it is, same as sodomy, blasphemy, and any number of other "crimes" that have been legislated out of nothingness.
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Perhaps on a lighter note, a Belgian zoophile (whose name I shall not mention but I suppose many here will know who I'm talking about) has been acquitted for the second time for the charge of animal abuse, having had sex with multiple dogs - pictures of which ended up at an animal rights organisation who pushed the case.
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Does anyone know what happened in this case.
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Don't know if I'm allowed to post links, but there is a website where you can search through all "pet abuse" scenarios in the US. INCLUDING beastiality...scary how many people get caught by the police...http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/cruelty_database.php
oops, guess I'm not allowed to post links yet, sorry
Well first off, on the entire "Animal abuse!" stuff people are spouting. Well, how is it abuse, if the dog has sex with a woman? Especially if the woman was taken by surprise and simply allowed it to happen because she got aroused. Just how is it abuse, when the dog itself comes up the the owner, and performs the action of sex rather than having sex done to it? (Forgive me for the crude terming as I think sex is something you do with someone and not to someone)So animal sex is not abuse from that angle.Now, if a human has sex with an animal, why would the animal allow it? Animals have teeth, horses have powerful legs. All it takes is a few bites or a solid kick to show that the animal has a problem. And any normal zoo would never actually harm an animal, but people are too caught up in their morals to actually find out. Anyways, if an animal has a problem with sex, why would it just stand there and take it?Secondly, aren't zoos being violated by a twisted form of racism? Why is it wrong for a person to insult someone else for being , but perfectly ok to do it to someone with a different sexual orientation? After all, s do not harm anyone in any way, but niether do zoos. Why is it ok for an animals owner to take it to the pound, but not ok for them to engage a natural and harmless act with it?Heck, eventually someone could plead a case of being discriminated against. After all, all school rule books mention not abusing others for ethnic, racial, or sexual orientation. Thirdly, the majority of laws are based on nothing but morals. Humans so commonly invoke terms such as justice, and poor poor thing, when in reality, the only thing being harmed whatsoever, is someones morals. And again, if it is my morals to hate black people (I don't, this is just an example) it's still wrong. But if my morals say animal sex is wrong, it's perfectly normal to lodge a complaint. Anyone else see a problem here?And morals, are determined by the majority of the human population. Look at it this way, if 90 percent of the population was schizophrenic, than the other 10 percent would be viewed as insane. While the 90 would be viewed as the perception of "normal." It's the same thing with morals. At any rate, knowing humans, I don't think views on animal sex are going to change any time soon. And heck, most people don't know a thing about it, but they are so caught up in "fitting in", that they deliberatly make themselves hate it just because it's viewed as "unnatural".And finally, the wife. I completely agree with all the people saying something was fishy about the wife. Not to mention, after catching someone in such a situation, the last thing on the average humans mind, would be to "do justice" and few people would be so sensible after the shock to just call the police. The first thing anyone does, is generally confront the person after they finish, or just cry out "Oh my god! How could you, you little F***!"So pretty much, just try to keep a low profile. I was actaully considering confessing to someone in my family, but after reading five stories of them being f***ed over after it, I'm not so keen anymore. There is a simple logic behind all of this.It is always the ones who claim to love you, that would hurt you the most.(Given the right situation)And secondly, ~"It is often the ones we love who are the most Alien to us."
Welcome to the real world it is 2007..I have bread horses from the '70'sThen it was no big deal.All those little horse shows were for training and every weekend there were at least 4 studs hanging around and out. People would bring there family to see there mare bread I used to do sex ed. Now [sorry Stripes Decon] seamen comes in a bucket via FedEx. The Vet does the work and it is socially cleen. In 30 years the world has been thrown on its head. If I bread a mare now with some one watching I'd be locked up and on the molester regestery..You have hit the nale on the head.Life is just weard..Rus
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