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how many people here hunt .i havent in a few years ,gess i would rather watch them play in a field then shoot them .i also understand hunting ,i would rather see some one hunt a deer and eat it rather then see it smashed on a high way by a car or 18 wheeler and go to waist what do you think .
i also know we are all animale lovers here ,so if this afends any one just remove it thanks
I go fishing... does that count? Hehe... I have never hunted though, but even though I'm an animal lover, I'm not going to bite someone's head off for hunting, and besides, I've eaten a lot of "hunted meat" in my time. I do think it's most sensable to, if you're going to shoot an animal, follow the laws and use the meat, etc.. I'm sorry if I offend anyone when I say that those hunters who just go out to kill something, is a bit disturbing to me.
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While I'm not into hunting or fishing,other than for a beast friend ,I do not have a problem with those who do it legally,not just for sport (hunting that is). I have a friend who goes hunting and he does it the right way and is responsible and only allows himself to take what he can use. Also he has not done any hunting for several years now because of other things. In a sense,we are all "hunters". The men seeking that perfect football game and the women,that perfect dress Or was that the beer and chips and maxed out credit card Happy "hunting".
I have two hunting dogs. And I even go hunting. But only with a camera, never a gun. Could not even think of using such a thing.
No...can't say that I hunt, not really overall thrilled with the prospect of it. Absolutely can not stand trophy hunting. I've always been one of those who say if you want to hunt, fine...but if you do your name goes into a special lottery, and if at the end of the hunting season your name gets choosen, then well, your part of that special hunt...and you get to run from your brethren and get to see what the animal feels...up until that last second of course.
QUOTE (Wirehair @ Sep 28 2006, 07:03 PM) I have two hunting dogs. And I even go hunting. But only with a camera, never a gun. Could not even think of using such a thing. Camera Hunt I love that too
Some hunters that claim that it is absolutely painless for the animal to be shot by a bullet... I wonder if they would dare to try it themselves. Hmm.In my personal opinion: Don't do anything to an animal that you wouldn't like happening to yourself, or to anyone else you love and care for.
I hunt deer and before the animal rights activists hop up on thier soapboxes just let me say that the meat you buy in the supermarket all wrapped up in celophane didnt start out in life that way, and animals that are bred for food usually die more painfully than those killed by a competant hunter's bullet. Just my two cents
Yea, but how many hunters out there are competent...16 year olds hunting with dad, or the bunch of rowdy rednecks having a beer or Dick Cheney . Of course there is always the person who just can't shoot to save their lives. I have no real problems with hunting, I just think there should be more risk involved...when that wolf or lion goes out on the hunt, it's not 100% certain that it's going to be coming back or with food at all, but with a hunter it's oh well, hand me a beer and throw another burger on the grill. I agree with you that slaugterhouses are horrible, that meat in the market all wrapped and tidy isn't the whole story.Hopefully emotions don't turn this into a dead end thread, it could be interesting.
I agree about the incompetant hunters, in fact I believe that there are just too many hunters out there considering the size of most deer herds in the US (Thats where I am btw). As far as the odds go, here in PA the majority of deer hunters dont bring home a deer or even get to see one. This is mainly because of overestimating the size of the deer herd around here and raising the bag limits in past years. Too many people were hunting illegally (poaching) or simply not reporting thier kill. I do believe in hunting for food, but I also believe in conservation and hunting responsibly.Good thread, I hope it can continue without getting ugly *Edited cuz I cant spell today*
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Absolutely not .I used to fish though.Anyway I'm not vegetarian and with the abundance of food available there's no need to hunt .I can accept the hunting only if someone is in need of food to eat in extreme conditions.
Bad topic in my opinion!!
i love to hunt also watch game i bet i have seen more things in the woods than most people in a life time
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QUOTE (1BigHornDog @ Sep 28 2006, 11:02 PM) Bad topic in my opinion!! I tend to agree in fact it seems to be dangerous , though I will not fall in any flame nor will argue with anybody
Yeah,I hunt, and I fish too...and I'm proud of it...Humans were always hunters...the animal rights problems started when most of us stopped hunting...insofar as competency in hunting is concerned...anyone ever watch wolves on a kill? I have...and believe me...they arent pretty...effective, yes, but not pretty...statistically, Hunters..., all hunters, are about 12 percent effective, meaning one kill for every7-8 true attempts, and this holds true for whatever SPECIES is doing the hunting...eagle,tiger or man...lions and wolves and other cooperating species are a tad more effective, but still in the 12 percent range...The only known exception is the Cape Hunting Dog...which as a group can be up to 60 percent effective...So MAN is not the killing machine the non-hunting world would have us believe...no species has ever been hunted out of existence, unless Habitat destruction was also involved...oh...and Pitman-Roberts Taxes PAY for most of the Conservation efforts in the US...this is a voluntarily-imposed tax on Hunting and fishing gear that has existed since the "30s....hunter and fisher [SPAM] suggested and shepherded it thru the congress...one last thing...I would rather eat the flesh of an animal that has lived its life uninterfered with,that's had a chance to reproduce, that hasn't been warehoused birth -to- death <ever been in a production chicken house?>and I've been known to eat road-killed deer and pigs<javelina> just so they wouldn't go to waste...Whatever else I may be...I am human...when I die, if the buzzards will have me, they're welcome to me...'til then, we all Vaya where the Diosa will have us go...plant, animal, and Human....
Well, I hunt paper targets.... I forage for food in a supermarket. Actually I am ok with hunting if you cleen and eat what you take and handle your self responcibley. One of our vet's breeds golden retrevers and hunts.Then hunting is a major support for conservation etc. A good balance for wild life.Actually shooting is a great hobby. Sometime check out cowboy mounted shooting. Rus
I am a life member of NRA and a gun owner, I have hunted but haven't had the time to go for several years. I nejoyed the time spent out in the mountains of Montana and spent more time "hunting" then shooting. Just getting out away from town and cares was enough. I take the Native American view on hunting and such... if there's a real need for the meat, and ask for the sacrifice of the animal... then honor the animal who gave its life for you. This i don't take lightly.Heard a story once about an old mountain man who was living in a cave with a female panther.... hmmmmmm my imagination runs wild....
I strongly reccommend everyone to be extremely careful about the words use and about what is depicted in your posts , remember that rule:ALL CATEGORIES:DO NOT:5.1.3 post anything depicting harm to people or animals ie: blood death vomit etc.I did a brief (very brief) research and I haven't found any post on hunt , that makes me suspicious , how's possible that this argument hadn't been discussed before?more likely it has but something went wrong.so again be extremely careful
Nope, and have no desire ever to do so. I personally would never go hunting lest it were necessary for my survival (e.g. living up in an isolated cabin in the Alaskan wilderness)
i think this is a very thought provoking topic.im an environmentalist and i understand the need, yes, NEED for hunting from other individuals. The system is fair and monitored, although i dont agree with hunting bears, we need all the carnivores in this country as we can get. That said, i could never do it myself, and couldnt see being friendly with anyone who did, just because of the different mindsets. I think life in every form is priceless (except spiders-- EW!! haha) and i couldnt imagine snuffing the life out of a living, breathing, wanting, sentient creature.I know that in essence im doing the same thing by eating meat, and ive tried a life without animal meat, and it truly isnt realistic for me. I understand what i eat was once living. But it is a good part of the human diet and if i had to eat anything id rather it be cow and chicken and turkey than nondomesticated animals. I cant STAND people who get grossed out by raw meat, or bones in thier food, etc. Its like, what you are eating was once alive, deal with it. Its meat.
the only hunting I do is for fish and only catch enough for eating. The rest get thrown back. Though fishing is more of a secondary point as I find it very relaxing to be sitting on a boat or on the banks of a river where the only sounds are those of nature. Also good if it a nice warm day with a slight breese.
i am an absolute gun nut ... but i dont hunt ... i could do it .. but i just dont ... hunting has never been my thing.
I hunt and fish according to the laws of the area. I believe in taking only as much as I need and using as much as possible, of what I take. I don't take my limit just because I can, I take it because it will be used. I will not express my veiws on trophy hunting. They ain't pretty and would probably get me banned.
QUOTE (saddlebum66 @ Sep 29 2006, 12:34 AM) Yeah,I hunt, and I fish too...and I'm proud of it...Humans were always hunters...the animal rights problems started when most of us stopped hunting...insofar as competency in hunting is concerned...anyone ever watch wolves on a kill? I have...and believe me...they arent pretty...effective, yes, but not pretty...statistically, Hunters..., all hunters, are about 12 percent effective, meaning one kill for every7-8 true attempts, and this holds true for whatever SPECIES is doing the hunting...eagle,tiger or man...lions and wolves and other cooperating species are a tad more effective, but still in the 12 percent range...The only known exception is the Cape Hunting Dog...which as a group can be up to 60 percent effective...So MAN is not the killing machine the non-hunting world would have us believe...no species has ever been hunted out of existence, unless Habitat destruction was also involved...oh...and Pitman-Roberts Taxes PAY for most of the Conservation efforts in the US...this is a voluntarily-imposed tax on Hunting and fishing gear that has existed since the "30s....hunter and fisher [SPAM] suggested and shepherded it thru the congress...one last thing...I would rather eat the flesh of an animal that has lived its life uninterfered with,that's had a chance to reproduce, that hasn't been warehoused birth -to- death <ever been in a production chicken house?>and I've been known to eat road-killed deer and pigs<javelina> just so they wouldn't go to waste...Whatever else I may be...I am human...when I die, if the buzzards will have me, they're welcome to me...'til then, we all Vaya where the Diosa will have us go...plant, animal, and Human.... Well said saddlebumI usually avoid this thread because I try not to make anyone mad at me--for any reason. Finally have to put my 2 cents in. I do hunt although not as much as I did when I was younger. Old age has tended to slow me down a bit. However, I am still proud of the fact that I do hunt. First, I agree with everything saddlebum said. In addition, I would like each non hunter to answer this question---you and your child are together and the two of you have run out of food and are starving. Would you rather stand there day after day and watch as your child slowly loses weight and dies of starvation, crying because their belly is empty. Or would you rather see a bullet bring a quick end to her suffering? Well folks, whether any of us like it or not, that is the postion animals are coming to. Every day, more woods are cleared for human habitation, more farms are going bankrupt and turned into housing projects and malls, gas stations, and fast food joints. Millions of illegals are crossing our borders and these people have to have somewhere to live, not to mention all the babies being born evey day. This means that animals are being pushed into smaller and smaller areas. An area will only support so many animals and sooner or later they will run out of food. Then they will starve---the smallest (the babies), going first. Thinning them out by hunting is the smart idea. Take the surplus--the mature animals-- so the rest may live including the babies. Also, when animals are allowed to keep reproducing until there are to many in a certain area--you have problems. One being that canines--such as fox and coyote get mange. If you have never seen a canine in the final stages of mange---then you need to before cutting down hunters. Also, some animals carry diseases such as racoon and skunks carry rabies. Doesn't matter you say?? Then would your answer be the same if your child were bitten by a rabid animal?? How about the mountain lions in california that are becoming a deadly nuisance because hunting them has been outlawed. Attacks and killings of humans have become more and more frequent as they lose their fear of humans. They are only doing what their instincts tell them you say??? What if it were your child that you just watched a mountain lion grab and start dragging off into the woods to eat? Would you still feel the same??? I am a hunter and proud of it. No--all hunters are not ethical---just as there are non hunters who are not always ethical. Even if you are a non hunter---support legal and wise hunting---you will be doing the animals a favor in the long run. And I hate to be a pessimist, but I am afraid that animals are doomed in the long run anyway----and they will not be done in by hunters--but by the ever increasing human population. The only thing I can see stopping that would be a catastrophe of monumental proportions that drastically reduces the human population.
Well...I see your point but your questions are one sided, of course a parent is going to vote for hunting in those situations, but they really aren't truly realistic questions.I could just as easily ask something like that with an anti-hunting point of view and it'd be just as one-sided.
I don't hunt, never have. Once my dad did give me a gun and show me how to use it, but I was afraid of it. Since I eat a plant-based diet and my animals do as well, there is definately no need to hunt for food.Hunters who eat deer should be warned; deer may have brain-wasting disease (similar to BSE/mad cow disease) and in my opinion should not be eaten.
I don't hunt, and I personally think its wrong (especially when you have the people hunting for a sport - sorry, but how can killing an animal be a sport??). But I understand the need to hunt in some circumstances (like keeping population down etc), and of course, I would hunt if it was to stop myself (or friends / family) from starving).It's just hunting for pure fun, hunting as a sport that I don't like (but as said above, I can understand hunting to keep population down and the like).I, personally, was for the fox hunting ban in the UK, as IMO, how can a dog ripping a fox apart be painless for the fox? If the huntmen just shot the fox in the head (= instead death) then its a different story alltogether, but why make the fox suffer?nb - yes, I know the above can be debated - ie - how do I know a dog ripping a fox apart isn't painless. But think about it, if you had to choose one, which would you prefer to be done to yourself - get ripped apart by a dog, or bullet into your head.
WellLook at the western US. Lack of rain for 20+ years has brought an end to many ranching opperations and many 100's squ miles of what was open range. We not being good care takers of open space will pay alonge with the animals a terrable price.In the last year I have seen near me 300 squ miles of ranch land go to house lots.There is no place to get away from people any more. Dont beleave me go to a national park. in life as more people get forced closer togeather there tolorence for others beleafs or recreation waines. The funey thing is without many different people doing many diferent things we would all have a hard time. I have a neighbor next door this fall he will offer some dear meat. Many years ago I got cought in a massive blizard. The city had drifts over 20 feet. In the block ware I lived I was the law for a week. A job I once had and have taken off and on if there was a need. My point it takes many trades to make a village or major city.Hunters are trying to keep open land so we can hike ride campIn New England many years ago horsemen gave money and land to help save the space for the birds. Now the horses have been prohibited from the same land because they scare the birds.Just a thought or two
I hunt so think about it this way because there are no predeators left to kill any thing the population would sky rocket then there wouldn't be enough food to support that many animals so they would starve to death and desise would also spread faster. Hunting is also very controlled by the game wardens and fish and game and i don't shoot the first thing i see i have had deer in the cross hairs perfect shot but i did not take it the farthest a deer has ran after i shot it was 25 yards.
Currently, no... but if they ever discontinue those meat filled, plastic wrapped foam trays at Wal-mart, then maybe... or I'll become a vegan...
i have hunted. it has been years since i have been. i don't believe in sitting in a blind or stand. i prefer to track the animal. not as successful but more satisfying to me. i also only kill that which i will eat. with chemically altered commercially grown meats and who knows what else, commercial foods scare the out of me sometimes. big topic in the us now is obesity, but how can they give growth hormones to our food supply and not expect it to have an effect on us. but chemically altering our food isn't confined to meat anymore. it is everywhere. ......scary.just my thoughts.
Well my wife said we could eat organic then we play with the e-ColiDang poor popeye in his casket a can of spinish on top of it.Oliveoil crying
I hunt. I hunt Deer, Rabbit, waterfowl, gamebird, Turkey, and bear for food. I also hunt Coyote, Fox, and Bobcat for population management and fur. I used to trap but dont have the time anymore.
I didn't go this year, but I do hunt 1 I enjoy the time spent out doors2 I do use as much of the animal as possable3 while posably gross to some wild animals tast betterHunters are the first consevationists. Plus it makes me mad when a vegitarian or vegan tells me hunting and eating meat is wrong but they have to have there leather shoes or purse or furniture, its just odd. Plus overpopulation of plant eating animals can cause more harm to the enviroment than hunting does. With out the wolves in yellowstone the elk, deer and bufflo have eatin away whole forrests of trees and other vegitation. There needs to be a balance bettween the preditors, hunters and the prey. Along with keeping enough space for them to be wild and not in a zoo.
I am an avid bowhunter for over 35 years and I take 2 every year.I distribute the meat between my family and friends.I also spend tons of money on feed to get them through the tough days of winter,but I never use food as a bait.I beleive in fair chase.
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My dad used to take me hunting as a kid but I never wanted to kill anything. Later he changed too and only wanted to film animals. I think I killed men in war (was never absolutely sure), and war made me hate even the sound of guns. There are a surplus of deer around here now, but when ever I hear the shooting I fear for my horses. I had one wounded once. I am gradually giving up what little meat (mostly chicken and fish) I eat, until I am almost a vegan now. I don't judge people who hunt, but I think it would destroy for me the feeling I have around animals of all types. I spend much of my time trying to rescue animals, most of which have nothing to do with my being a zoo. I just like the way it makes me feel see an animal who came to the farm at the edge of death, resigned and fearful, and who now has learned to trust again. It gives me an inner peace I have never found through the material world. But that is just me...OZ
(quote) , I just think there should be more risk involved...when that wolf or lion goes out on the hunt, it's not 100% Iv been hunting for 40 years ( & Im 47). Believe me brother,, it aint 100%. There is allot of 'air' around a whitetail deer. Somebody else said they don't want to see people hunt for sport. Well, thats what it is.. Another person said they don't like to see 'Trophy Hunting' well brother, thats what I hunt for. Let the young~ins grow up abit. I like to add my own moral rules. I hunt with 1 gun. a 12 ga Remmi pump...No scope, not even a back sight. I only carry 2 shell's (incase I lose 1) I carry my gun unloaded and don't load till I see a target. All for 1 reason. It's a sport. I'd go gun~less more often, but I love to watch my Pointers work samll game, and, getting the bird is they're reward. As far as painless. The slaughterhouse's are quick, no pain. the chance of a 'miss' is slim. Hunting. I think it's rare to get a quick, instant kill. I see allot of 'gut shots' out there. Just last season, I found a wounded doe a week after the deer season closed. She'd been face down in the snow. She was scarde, cold and badly hurt. (dragging her guts and hind legs) I fetched my shotgun and finished her off.. and did not feel good about it at all, but I felt it had to be done. I felt bad for the poor little girl Yes, It's not easy getting a clean kill, but thats what us good hunters want. so we practice, and we get our ass's out in the woods, year round. Not just on first day. I always grow a beard till I get my next deer. I usualy shave once per year
im sorry,i didnt mean to make any one mad that was not my intent.
I'm assumeing that everyone reconizes the fact that I'm a hunter.. Well I'm also a concervationest..I'm a 32 year member of a hunting club in eastern Miss. where there is on farm or pasture land, Only rocky sandy hills that will only grow pine trees. The timber company that we lease from (just over 3,000 acres) comes in about every 3 or 4 years and cuts 4 to 5 hunred acres which provides new a groth of brouse for the deer and turkey which helps to maintain the health of the game.. In addition we as a 15 member club plant at least thirty food plots to provide winter grazeing at a huge expence to the members. Our planting cost normally runs arround 6 to 8,000 dollars per year, add in our lease cost and we pay 15 to 1,600 dollars each per year.. Includeing the membership and imedate family members plus guest we normally harvest arround 30 to 50 deer per year and about 20 turkeys. All game are taken humanely with only one shot. Yes even our youngsters are taught to shoot and hunt properly and never allowed to hunt alone unless they have proven themselves to be a responcible hunter.. Believe me I have seen a lot of youngsters, Boys and Girls, grow to be good hunters and fine upstanding adults, Even taught my share of them personally.. Our club is the one responcible for the beginning of the "youth hunt" to be written into law.As to conservation.. If you have never had to walk through a heard of deer and knock them in the head and smell the stinch of burning flesh as the carceses were piled and burned because of disease that had infected a complete heard because of overpopulation then you don't understand the true meaning of conservation..Back in the '50's there were very few deer and turkey in the state of Miss. and now because of concervation we have one of the highest populations in the nation, In fact the state is over populated to a point that the game and fish department requires each club to harvest a set number of antrless (doe) deer each year to prevent the heard from getting out of controll.. In some cases the conservation officers will go out at night and headlight hundreds of deer because of over population.. Of course all of the meat is donated to orfenages and shelters..Yes I'm a hunter and an animal lover at the same time.deerhunter
QUOTE (risq @ Oct 4 2006, 05:27 AM) As far as painless. The slaughterhouse's are quick, no pain. the chance of a 'miss' is slim. well, i beg to differ on that one. being hung upside down as cows are, before having thier necks slit and conked on the head by a hammer, some still surviving until the next step where their torso is slit from top to bottom. Or, if you're a chicken, being kept on a conveyor line with your beak cut off and 7 to a cage while being fed antibiotics and feed, does not portray the image that these animals do not suffer or feel pain.dont get me wrong, i eat meat, but i hope that people dont have the misconception that meat animals live out thier lives in vast open fields and are killed in a gas chamber.
Well, here I go again...let me just say I'm not trying to stomp down the hunters, just pointing things out. It's true that modern day hunters do a great deal for conservation, saving and preserving populations of deer and such. This is true, but you also have to admit if we didn't randomly kill off all the predator populations this wouldn't be necessary, or as necessary in our over-populated culture we have now.
Hey Risq...just wanted to point out that my quote on the wolf or lion wasn't used quite in the right context...the point I did make there was that when a hunter doesn't make a kill, it doesn't mean they're going to go hungry that night...good job on that doe, I could imagine it was hard to do, but certainly the right thing. Hopefully the point I'm trying to make is clear, that I don't really mind hunting, personally I have some problems with it, and wouldn't do it myself...but there are some things about it that I wish were done better...
The most respect I've ever seen anyone give to an animal is from a hunter.JMHO
I recognize the fact that hunting is a necessary part of controlling game populations, especially since we have eliminated most of the larger preditors. I also recognize that responsible hunting organizations play an important part in conservation. I also agree that we are hypocrites if we condemn hunting but eat meat prepared for us by others.It is not my place to judge anyone, but my animal friends have given me love, joy and endless entertainment and I feel oblidged to say that I do not feel kinship to those who see killing of animals as something fun to do. I cannot pretend otherwise. Call it "sport" or whatever, I simply feel a deep sorrow that my kind has such a low empathy for other species. Hunting is certainly far from the worst thing we, as a society, do to animals, but I agree with Ghandi when he said that you can judge the level of a civilization by looking at the way it treats its animals. If he was right, we are not yet even on the scale of enlightenment. But then that's just me.
QUOTE (deerhunter @ Oct 4 2006, 10:34 AM)All game are taken humanely with only one shot. Here's another thread revived...I'm not against hunting, although I'm not happy about hunting for fun and hunters who claim NEVER to cause pain and suffering irritate me - saying "I NEVER miss" just isn't credible. Carry on, but PLEASE recognise the "down side".Every angler here asked ALWAYS claims to NEVER lose tackle or leave litter, but our rivers and lakes are littered with dangerous lengths and tangles of fishing line, lead weights and hooks - often baited with tasty morsels which wildlife - and pet dogs - can't resist...Anglers cause a great deal of damage and suffering in pursuit of their fun but will deny it until they're blue in the face.Yes, humans have always hunted, but it hasn't always been for fun, and it hasn't always been SO heavily biased against the hunted."Hunting" comes in MANY forms...There's a World of difference between a hunter patiently stalking a deer for hours to get a chance to get meat on his table and our royal family blasting hundreds of birds out of the sky that have been bred to fly slowly and have been driven towards them by huge gangs of beaters...Sometimes, these people even have someone standing next to them loading guns to pass to them so they can fire more quickly and kill more!Similarly, riding horses, using large packs of dogs to chase foxes noisily across the countryside for hours, having first done everything they could to prolong the "sport" (like blocking off boltholes) for fun, is outrageous and dispicable abuse of living creatures, and despite the new Law here it's still going on just the same simply because those doing it or facilitating it are mostly rich, influential landowners. This cruelty is NOT about fox population control, and it's NOT OK "because it's a tradition, done for hundreds of years"... I've never hunted animals but I might one day, if i get the farm I'm hoping to buy, as long as I need the food, or perhaps even to control numbers on my land, but I recognise there is a risk I will injure animals and they will suffer.Although I recognise the risk, it might not stop me from being able to justify hunting.However, if (when) I actually see those consequences I might not hunt again...
I was brought up on hunting, my mom & dad had me in the woods hunting with them when I was a little tike. Yes, my Mom was a hunter also. All game that I take are trophies to me and I treat them with the respect that they deserve. I do everything feasible to ensure a clean and humane kill. I know my equipment and how to use it effectively. I abide by the regulation handed to me when I buy my hunting license. I am not a slob hunter nor are the people I hunt with. I do not consider what I do a sport, I am harvesting nature's bounty. Yes, I hunt.
I hunt, I eat.
QUOTE (risq @ Oct 4 2006, 04:27 AM) Somebody else said they don't want to see people hunt for sport.Well, thats what it is.. It was me who said that, and since the thread's been bumped, I'm going to explain myself a bit more.My reasoning behing what I said was basically, How can killing a living thing be classed as a sport?I can understand hunting to keep a population down. I can understand it if its for food . I can understand it if the animal being hunted is a pest. But as a sport? Sorry, I just can't understand how it can be a sport. And its probably something I will never understand.
I hunt, and so far the animals I've killed died pretty swiftly... I don't like bird hunting since there's no way to guarantee a quick death, unless you quickly bash the head in once you get to it. not quite sure how that one dear ran a quarter mile without a functioning heart
OKUs Americans maby need a bit of info here..The previous post is referencing fox hunting on horse back.. I thinkIts the international wording thingWe are thinking to different things me thinks..US is thinking deer UK is chasing a fox with 10 horsepeople behind it.There is major arguments over this.Horses in UK are bread and sold for the sport and many millions of dollars of money change hands, many jobs at stake.Then we must look at the foxes side of it. Cant be good with 30 dogs after you as well as the horses..Then you have that public opinion thing in UK they have had riots over this..We are not uneffected by this eather. I have a friend who has a trained coone. [dam spelling little furry critter with mask on his face fur]He breeds and trains hunting dogs. Coone is living in dog kennel and has the life of riley. He sleeps all day even at the dog events. But state regulations mean he is inspected all the time. There are a lot of sides to a lot of things.I'm back to my rocksRus
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though i have not really did any kinda hunting other than dove, i dont see a problem with it unless its done with bad ethnics. like pochers and trophy hunters, and if i ever go deer hunting if i dont eat the meat i'ld donate it to some child care thing.by the way i would love to be a game warden
this'll probably sound odd, but i hunt up north with my father on a semi-annual basis. we bow hunt, and track, we don't set salt licks. it's a challenge that tests everything from woodsman skills to tracking skills to communication skills. we typically hunt larger game, and we never waist a kill, or leave a wounded animal alive. infact, we rarely wound an animal without it being lethal within a minute. frankly, when you consider the kind of poaching, waste kills, and woundings without kills that go on, we look like the angels of humane death.
I myself, have never went hunting, unless it was with a camera or just walking through the woods to see all the critters. I don't have a problem with people who hunt, as long as its done with integrity and smarts. I've lived in different states where people have hunted, and my ex went hunting a few times. Most of the people I know who hunt, do it to help feed their families and I can respect that.
Hmm,... I have hunted for small game (rabbits,phesent etc) but not for many years now. My self i see nothing wrong with hunting so long as the kill is clean and as quick as can be made
Yes I hunt and fish and trap, It is not about the killing just being in the woods and if you are lucky enough to harvest an animal,that is a plus. I have a good lab that I enjoy hunting with. The friends I have made speaks for it self.
I really haven't had the time or opportunities to hunt, but I wouldn't mind. I'd love to go hog hunting. Now, I'm an animal lover, but after seeing the destruction feral hogs do, it makes want to shoot every last one of them. Domestic pigs are fine, as long as they stay put. Not to mention, they're good eatin'.
Nope, never have and never will...but then, I am a vegetarian... While I am not a crusader about it, I do object to it in principle. But people who genuinely need to hunt to feed themselves I can understand, to some degree at least (plant food is ecologically much more efficient). Hunting for sport I cannot.In any case, I am a die-hard *bargain* hunter, especially in a used book store!
I've never hunted before, but I love shooting. I have a Wilson Combat 1911A1 CQB .45, a Springfield Armory M14, and a Stag Arm AR-15. Yeah, I'm probably the onlu conservative here...
No there is quite a cross section hereThat said this thred has servived far better than I though and to that end it is a credit to all the posters..In 30 years of having to deal with the public I have had several lives. I have found it is far easier to not let the people I am around know I cary. It is an issue one can not argue you must prove your self worthy to cary by making friends..I am a horseman I do not generally like people. This board has gone a long way to get me back to being comfortable with them here.. I am very greatfull.That shows even though there are as many ways to look at something as members, all the ways are worth respect and consideration.Center is a hard place to find..Welcome your 1 st post..Rus
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Yes, I revived this one after a couple of months of no activity because it's something that people have a wide range of views on and makes for an interesting debate.I don't think there's any right and wrong stance on this.Different views and values, different needs and living conditions, different priorities.
I have never hunted. I have only gone fishing a few times and that was for food when camping. I imagine if I had to hunt to eat, I would certainly do so, howver for me, there is absolutely no "sport" in it. I prefer to see majestic animals in thier natural habitat and shoot them with a camera!
as a zoo, and a equiphile, i can see how this topic could spark some hot heads and harsh words, but i do have to take the stand on the side of the other hunters here on the forumi do fish and from time to time, hunt birds, deer, and elk. i do eat all i can, and make sure the rest is given to some one that can use it. i have never stuffed or mounted any of them. as a hunter i do often pass up the chance to bring down game if i am unsure if i can get a clean shot off, and i do try to make it as quick as possible. but as a marine, i have been shot.......also got some shrapnel.......and i can say that, yes it does fucking hurt.......and i can tell you that unless it is something like hitting the right spot in your head, or just getting vaporized, it is not instant.....again though, i also feel that in arias where we have eliminated the natural predators, in the long run, it is actually better for the deer population as a hole if hunters keep them in check
animals are for:( in no particular order.) 1: sex2: food ( certain types.) ( i'm lookin at you cow.) ( does this mean i have a food fetish?)2 1/2: sex3: racing ( ostrich?)4: sex 5: intercourse6: companionship7: the one time when you got drunk and stripped nekkid and let you dog lick penut butter off of you and it got .... just ... a little.... hot....8: licking penut butter off of things.9: ectanimals an't for: 1: hunting for sport.2: using as xmas trees3: raking the yard. 4: ectthis list goes on.
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I do not currently hunt. However, I have been taught in a native american tradition how to hunt; that above all, I hold the utmost respect for the animal paying the ultimate sacrifice. That I do everything in my power to make the kill as swift as I possibly can. Also, let the prey go if I am even the slightest bit unsure that I would be able to make a swift kill. And finally, you have taken it's life; make the most of it by eating/useing as much as you can. Avoid letting anything go to waste.Having said all that, I am -VERY- proficient with a rifle, and even more so with a bow. I have 38 acres of land, on which many deer roam. Should the desire overwhelm me, I can very easily go hunting, and believe me I would. However, necesity takes prioriity over desire, and since the necesity for me to hunt isn't really there, I do not hunt.
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Well I have a strang opinion on this one. I think deer hunting is a great thing, both for the environment, and as a way to feed people. Right now deer populations are double what the were when the colonists landed, that's quite unnatural. What happends is deer selectively forage on thier favorite plant species. In turn thier density causes extreme negative pressure on those species, threatening or wiping out thier populations. The are turning our forests into monocultural floristicly simple stands of trees. In many states they've organized mass hunts to do somehting about that. Secondly, the endanger motorists because they engage in turf battles resulting from overabundace. Soooo with that being said I fully support hunters. However.... I tried to hunt and its reallly hard to shoot anything. Call me a hypocrite because I'm not a vegetarian and I know the animals I eat are raised in hellish conditions, or on burnt rainforest. Ugh, I hate the complex modern world lol. One day my goal is to have farm and only eat what I raise, and only raise what I need. pm me if you're interested in forest ecology and deer's effects, I might be able to rummage up a paper. Till then I guess I'll keep detaching myself when I go to the supermarket.
Try with a camera.. I find that a lot of fun...And raising your own critters is fun and very rewarding but that wont work eather. First you have a cow then a caf which you will name and it will grow and then you will like it. Then you will go to the market and buy a stake or two. Later you will go back to the now half grown bull with horns that you liked so much that castrating him was not something you could do and brush him. In the end the bull will be put down by your vet for advanced arthrites from old age and baried by the apple tree you bought and planted years ago to give him some shade..This is trueI knew betterMy neighbor did not.He and his bull were very nice people..Rus
only in self defense why
I dont hunt, if people want to hunt thats their choice. I can see reasons why people hunt as it is totaly natural because before all these super-markets sprung up in every town thats what we as humans had to do to survive. Hunting an endangerd animal is a whole new kettle of fish. I think it is appauling tohunt endagerd species as or children will not be able to apreciate them like pandas for example they are beatiful and yet we have choped down there natural habitat and hunted them to near extinction. So in my oppinion hunting is wrong.DogMan
I do hunt yes....for that last rubber which I lost...... I dont hunt animals....Im a country bumpkin but I would rather see owners of land control numbers of foxes with using a rifle and not a bunch of rich peeps on horses (horses look good tho ) with a million dogs to do it....But I do have a passion for fishing tho...
The hunting thing is different one side of pond to other. Fear not we were thinking rifle. You have a hole different set of issues fox hunting. But the horse industry on eather side of the water provides considerable cash flow. Example we have lost hundereds of squ miles of farm land to development because of the loss of the tax breaks to horse breeding. Things are not as simple as they seem.Rus
my family has had about 2600 acres in north louisiana for about three generations and have aquired more through each generation. the deer have adjusted to the heavy hunting of the previous owners and as a result we have an extremely high deer population. i know that we must thin the herd and i do so as painlessly as possible. i currently harvest 50 deer each year with the help of my cousins and use every bit of meat on them. it is fairly time consuming but the sport of hunting is quite exilerating and i dont feel too bad knowing that they didnt feel a thing. it is actually a turn on during the rut and i sometimes bring my wife in the blind i built for her, for you guessed it . i eat the meat every day but cannot finish it myself so i end up sending the rest to the local soup kitchens. i love the sport and will hopefully never stop.i do not regret it as much as i used to but i have a domesticated doe as a pet in a 5 acre pen behind our house. my wife loves animals and agreed to live her under the conditions that she could have a deer for a pet. she is almost a family dog by now so it doesnt bother me anymore.
Yes, I hunt. Very much I might add. Thing is, my immediate and more distant families are composed of gun nuts. I've spent my life around firearms and hunting and it's so natural to me it's an almost daily thing to prepare for the next hunt.But yes, I personally despise people that hunt just to kill something. My moral rule is eat and use what you kill. If you kill something and leave it, than that ticks me off.I eat the meat, make blankets and rugs from the hide, bury the bones, and give whatever I'm to quesy to eat to my dog and bury the rest. I really hate it when some red neck shoots something, laughs, and walks away. Just ticks me off.
I never hunted, never planned to. I'd first use a rifle on a human then an animal. I did fish but I never caught anything. I guess I just suck at killing any animals bigger then ants As for other people hunting... well Im still deciding my opinion on that.
QUOTE (Svansfall @ Sep 28 2006, 08:54 PM) Some hunters that claim that it is absolutely painless for the animal to be shot by a bullet... I wonder if they would dare to try it themselves. Hmm.In my personal opinion: Don't do anything to an animal that you wouldn't like happening to yourself, or to anyone else you love and care for. I see your piont, but I go deer hunting every year here in Michigan and kill 2 bucks. When I shoot them, I know for a fact that they didn't feel a thing. I don't like to BRAG but I am an Expret Marksmen!!! I use a 30/30 Marlin that is sited in at 230 yrds. NO SCOPE just the peep sites on it. When I take aim I always say to myself, "Once you pull the trigger, you can never go back! You can't stop the bullet or give a life back once you have taken it!" I always aim for the head there for they never feel any pain. I have missed a few times and they have ran off without a scatch on them. There is always a BIGGER one that comes by sooner or later...I use every bit of the deer and none of it goes to waste. I tan the hides to make gloves, blankets, and other things.David
QUOTE (CrazyHorse_028 @ Jan 29 2007, 10:18 AM) QUOTE (Svansfall @ Sep 28 2006, 08:54 PM) Some hunters that claim that it is absolutely painless for the animal to be shot by a bullet... I wonder if they would dare to try it themselves. Hmm.In my personal opinion: Don't do anything to an animal that you wouldn't like happening to yourself, or to anyone else you love and care for. I see your piont, but I go deer hunting every year here in Michigan and kill 2 bucks. When I shoot them, I know for a fact that they didn't feel a thing. I don't like to BRAG but I am an Expret Marksmen!!! I use a 30/30 Marlin that is sited in at 230 yrds. NO SCOPE just the peep sites on it. When I take aim I always say to myself, "Once you pull the trigger, you can never go back! You can't stop the bullet or give a life back once you have taken it!" I always aim for the head there for they never feel any pain. I have missed a few times and they have ran off without a scatch on them. There is always a BIGGER one that comes by sooner or later...I use every bit of the deer and none of it goes to waste. I tan the hides to make gloves, blankets, and other things.David So...you admit you missed a few times...but you've never just injured the target?If you could plot a graph of the number of occurences against the number of inches away from intended point of impact all your shots went you'd surely find most close to the intended point of impact, falling off as you get further and further away...like shots at a goal during a soccer game by a team over a season...I just find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that all your shots were instant kills or complete misses.I've had the same sort of argument from anglers, claiming they NEVER EVER lose fishing line and hooks in rivers or on banks.I'm NOT against hunting, or fishing, but I don't like to hear people unrealistically claiming there's never a down side. It happens!Face reality. Do your best, be considerate, minimise the risks and suffering - but by all means carry on...
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yeah look, this talk about hunting worries me..animals should be loved (and i am not talking about the way most of these guys are..)not thaat there is anything wrong with anything.. i jerked my dog off tonight..but hunting animals for sport isnt right..you want to hunt, go wild... and i mean, go wild.. pit urself against a lion or something worthy.. (and dont be taking no beaters along with you)sick's phantasie.. how is urs?
Interesting topic. I am an African and grew up in the bush. Hunting was a lifestyle and a culture. My father had a spiritual side to hunting with deep reverence for all animals whose life he was about to end, which he always did with respect and reverence. I grew up in a hunting culture and frankly never felt comfortable with it. Then as a soldier I had a whole different sort of experience..... Now, I am a pacifist and no I do not hunt. I have never taken pleasure in taking life and frankly do not want the responsibiity that comes with the turf.For me the absolute beauty of nature is seeing a wild animal run free - just like it was intended. And of course watching them do what Nature dictates they must if they are to survive!On an associated topic. Studies carried out over long time-spans have shown, for example, that the general health and "quality" of the herd on which predators prey - like Elk, Caribou or Bison - deteriorate when they are not being predated upon. The predator - Wolf or whatever - picks off the weak and thus eliminates them from the gene pool. So strong herds happen when strong predation is the norm. Are humans not just apex predators? And an invasive species....!
well, i grew up around hunting, and have eaten alot of game and meat, i don't wish too offend anyone....but in my opinion, if you are going to make decent use out of something you kill then that is a good excuse to hunt it, but i hate it when people hunt animals for trphies and to stuff and mount them(pun)...i would prefer to eat what i kill and then use any remaining parts for household use only!//and i prefer to have the animal killed with the least amount of pain as possible...i'm native american and we use everything, nothing is wasted..wish it could be that way all the time.......i'm sorry but i could never give up meat, especially wild game that hasen't been loaded with chemicals and such..plus it tastes waaaaayyy better!
QUOTE (KnotBigEnough @ Jan 29 2007, 01:52 PM) QUOTE (CrazyHorse_028 @ Jan 29 2007, 10:18 AM) QUOTE (Svansfall @ Sep 28 2006, 08:54 PM) Some hunters that claim that it is absolutely painless for the animal to be shot by a bullet... I wonder if they would dare to try it themselves. Hmm.In my personal opinion: Don't do anything to an animal that you wouldn't like happening to yourself, or to anyone else you love and care for. I see your piont, but I go deer hunting every year here in Michigan and kill 2 bucks. When I shoot them, I know for a fact that they didn't feel a thing. I don't like to BRAG but I am an Expret Marksmen!!! I use a 30/30 Marlin that is sited in at 230 yrds. NO SCOPE just the peep sites on it. When I take aim I always say to myself, "Once you pull the trigger, you can never go back! You can't stop the bullet or give a life back once you have taken it!" I always aim for the head there for they never feel any pain. I have missed a few times and they have ran off without a scatch on them. There is always a BIGGER one that comes by sooner or later...I use every bit of the deer and none of it goes to waste. I tan the hides to make gloves, blankets, and other things.David So...you admit you missed a few times...but you've never just injured the target?If you could plot a graph of the number of occurences against the number of inches away from intended point of impact all your shots went you'd surely find most close to the intended point of impact, falling off as you get further and further away...like shots at a goal during a soccer game by a team over a season...I just find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that all your shots were instant kills or complete misses.I've had the same sort of argument from anglers, claiming they NEVER EVER lose fishing line and hooks in rivers or on banks.I'm NOT against hunting, or fishing, but I don't like to hear people unrealistically claiming there's never a down side. It happens!Face reality. Do your best, be considerate, minimise the risks and suffering - but by all means carry on... Well every bullet that missed its target I found stuck in a tree, from 2 feet to 10 feet from where the target was at. I know a bullet arches. The wind plays a big role in the way the bullet flys as well. Some times I got excited and jerked the trigger insted of squeesing it. Some times I figured they were closer when they were farther away. Out of 15 years of hunting I have missed the target 38 to 40 some odd times, but every hit, was a drop dead head shot.David
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Every time you didn't kill - 38 to 40 times - it was a complete miss - and it hit a tree - and you found it?I see.
i must admit i have made many deer suffer over the years but am truly sorry for it and try to end it as soon as possible. it is very hard though with different variables including wind, trigger pull, distance perception, and buck fever. also i must admit i dont use but about one third of the capes and even them i send to taxidermies. i always seem to mess up the cape and end up with a peice of material barely worthy of a doormat. some people are great and i aplaud that. keep to it. anybody want some capes? i can ship them anywhere with a reasonable shipping price(under 50 dollars) if you ask me next season. just send one cent via paypal so i can use their shipping.(much more convenient than going to the post office). idecided not to smoke pole this year so i do not have any more deer to cape.yo crazyhorse, how did you find your bullet?
QUOTE (marvinthemartaian @ Jan 29 2007, 08:17 PM) yo crazyhorse, how did you find your bullet? ...Not "bullet", bullets! 38 to 40 of them - every one that missed!
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ok "bullets" still how the heck did you find them out of a tree? sounds like a load of crap to me. also how could you miss by 10 feet? even with a peep site thats pretty far off. how do you hit the deers head if you cant hit within 2 feet of it?
Thats kinda what I was wondering, I am no expert marksman by far, but something the size of a deer I have hit it and kill it instantly 8 out of 10 animals, the other two shots only wounded the animal which I curse myself for to this day. Second unless you are using a low velocity round like black powder or such I find it hard to belive you have found all of those rounds. I have been hunting 12 years now, two years I didn't get anything and the other ten I did.As for the fishing thing I will stand up and admit I have lost hooks and line over the years and that makes me rather mad, one because it is harmfull to the animals and two because it is littering and three it just makes me mad that I lost it in the first place.
i have hunted most of my adult life deer coon, rabbits ,etc i love to hunt with hounds right now i have beagles love to hear them run, what better reason to keep large female dogs.also raise labs
Kind of unsure why this is in the zoophilia section...certainly doesn't have much to do with sex or loving an animal...to me it belongs more in General section.Hate the idea of using dogs to chase down prey though
Humans have been Hunters for thousands and thousands of Years its wired in are Genes from way back when.1000 years ago there were no mcdonalds or Burgerking.Its a primal passion for some humans to hunt its hard to change thousands of years of evolution for some humans.Personally I dont Hunt but I understand why many people do I dont have a problem with it .
QUOTE (marvinthemartaian @ Jan 30 2007, 07:10 PM) ok "bullets" still how the heck did you find them out of a tree? sounds like a load of crap to me. also how could you miss by 10 feet? even with a peep site thats pretty far off. how do you hit the deers head if you cant hit within 2 feet of it? DUH!!! It is simple guys I use a 30/30 Marlin with peep sites... The bullets are Hollow points filled with a yellow hard powder... Now if the deer is 230 yrds. away and I have my peep site covers is head and neck... The bullet isn't going to fly straight at him, so I have to esto-mate and aim a little higher then his head so when the bullet drops it hits him in the head...If I miss for what ever reasson... The Yellow Hard powder that is packed into each hollow point will make a yellow dust cloud when it hits somthing hard... I can see it and I get up off the ground and start walking over to it... The tree, where the bullet hit will have a light dusting of yellow on it... That is where the bellet is and I dig it out and put it in my pocket... The tree is now got a good size hole in it, about the size of a 50 cent piece... I always carry a 8oz. can of tar with me to seal off any wounds I may put in a tree... I very rarely miss the target but when I do it is a mistake on my behalf... From not factoring in the wind, guessing at how far they are from me or getting excited with buck fever and jerk the trigger... Now do you guys under stand or do I need to get out a piece of paper and a Box of CAYONS to draw you a PICTURE!!! David
Hi, Ive never hunted, couldn't bring myself to killing an innocent animal, but thats me . I don't have a problem with hunters as long(as the others have siad in here) they do it the right way.
ok so thats how you find the bullet. i didnt realize you had something to help you locate the bullet. but still what about the 50 cent peice size hole? a 30/30 should make a nickel size hole. it still sounds pretty far fetched but whatever you want to beleive you did.
I am proud to say that I bow hunt. I do not believe in shooting an animal 300 yards away to where they are dead before they even hear the gun go off. That to me is unfair to the game. I, on the other hand, must get within at the least 30 yards and then there is a 100 and 1 different things that can go wrong to scare the deer away. To bow hunt....you must be very responsible and experienced so you will not find a lot of unexperienced 16 year old kids or drunk red necks out bow hunting. I have actually taken 2 bucks and 3 does......all have been eatin by now I assure you. The only time I gun hunt is with dove....those suckers can fly close to 50-60 mph so not much of a chance gettin one with a bow saddly, lol. Of course I do fish as do many Texans. I love hunting and the whole outdoor experience. It is so calming and relaxing to hear just nature and no traffic, sirens, and city noise. Being able to look up and see ALL the stars like the big and little dipper and the whole Milky Way is a very cool feeling.
I think you understand what I think about what you said, Crazyhorse, and it hasn't changed. I did try to be polite and tactful.My problem was understanding how you could ALWAYS either kill instantly or miss completely.The bit that followed about EVERY bullet that missed hitting a tree and EVERY ONE being found by you just tended to confirm my doubts.People will have formed their opinions on this exchange, perhaps we should let it be.
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QUOTE (rotcbadass06 @ Feb 1 2007, 05:42 PM) I am proud to say that I bow hunt. I'm sure bow hunting is MUCH more challenging than pulling a trigger, and gives the game a MUCH better chance of escape.The issue of injury and consequential suffering is still as valid though - perhaps even more so...I suspect a clean kill with a bow is very difficult...As I've said before, I'm NOT against hunting, I just don't like seeing it done just for fun, and/or with reckless disregard for suffering caused - and I don't like hearing hunters claim they never cause any pain or suffering!
You know, this topic kinda got me thinkin.......What would it be like to have a beast incounter with a deer (Buck or Doe), a turkey, or any other popular game breed. I bet if animals could talk....there would be some sexual favors in order in exchange for some animal lives, haha. What do yall think?
I like to hunt but just because u like to hunt doesnt mean u cant love animals too. I only hunt for the meat and not for the sport. Any senseless killing just urks my skin and i think if a animal is to be killed it should only be for food and not to just have a pretty mantle piece.
Sorry but I just HAVE to interject on this. You claim with a 30/30 to be able to hit a baseball ( Approximate size of a deer's head.) at 250 yards with a HOLLOW point bullet. Number one, Once the bullet leaves the barrel it becomes liquified lead. Which is what hollowpoints are made for. To claim that accuracy is that absolute with IRON SIGHTS is just unbelieveable, Sorry. I've seen deer with their lower and upper snouts blown off because of hunters like you that go for headshots. I'm a competition shooter, I can hit a golf ball at 100 yards repeatedly with a .22 ( With BOTH a scope And a rest. ) And I still find your stories VERY hard to believe. Another thing to point out, Is that you would never know by looking for the bullet if you had clipped the deer. They run off quicker than they can bleed most of the time, especially in a blood deprived spot like the face/head area.
I don't hunt much now-days, but I sure did as a kid. I like to hunt first day of buck. Our county has, for years been the # 2 whitetail kill in the nation. The county next to ours is #1.. Not sure thats still current, but,, We hunt alot of deer. My sons are no longer at home,, I could care less if I shoot a buck.. so I set the bar extra hi. I use 12 ga Remm pump 760wingmaster. Must be single projectile. shotguns may be loaded to full capicity.(thats where Im a smart ass. I screw on a mag extender,,, but,,,, Holy shit can 11 rounds get heavy. So I only use the mag tube when Im showing off 5 shots is plenty,, and thats 1 of my moral rules.. No extra shells,, 5 is plenty. I hunt for larger racks,, let the little boys grow & have fun for another year. My state new ruled a few years back.. must have 4 points on at least 1 side. I like it.. some nice racks around here for a change. I have a job. I use Money that I earn, doing that job. I buy meat with that money. Theres 'shooting deer' and theres 'hunting deer' Many times I hunt deer,, and don't get any or even see one. If I don't have a buck by noon,, he's safe till next year. My thing is to try to get right in amongst them,,in they're woods. If we didn't harvest deer in this area,, You'd need a snow plow on your car,, **pfft* to Protect your family. A few of the parks towards the city are issuing limited hunting permits,, the city skyscrapers are well with-in sight,,. because of deer damage. We promis. We won't kill them off. And the herd will stay strong, and if the size is managable, not as many will suffer along side the hi-way's. As a land owner, it's more like a duty to 'take care of my share',,get 1. been slippin lately,,but I probably killed many more than my share when I's a kid. I guess I still shoot varmints, the dogs take a heavy toll on all small furry wid animals. I love dogs, horses & pussy,,, and some animals.hunting is a good thing.
QUOTE (risq @ Feb 8 2007, 10:46 PM) I don't hunt much now-days, but I sure did as a kid. I like to hunt first day of buck. Our county has, for years been the # 2 whitetail kill in the nation. The county next to ours is #1.. Not sure thats still current, but,, We hunt alot of deer. My sons are no longer at home,, I could care less if I shoot a buck.. so I set the bar extra hi. I use 12 ga Remm pump 760wingmaster. Must be single projectile. shotguns may be loaded to full capicity.(thats where Im a smart ass. I screw on a mag extender,,, but,,,, Holy shit can 11 rounds get heavy. So I only use the mag tube when Im showing off 5 shots is plenty,, and thats 1 of my moral rules.. No extra shells,, 5 is plenty. I hunt for larger racks,, let the little boys grow & have fun for another year. My state new ruled a few years back.. must have 4 points on at least 1 side. I like it.. some nice racks around here for a change. I have a job. I use Money that I earn, doing that job. I buy meat with that money. Theres 'shooting deer' and theres 'hunting deer' Many times I hunt deer,, and don't get any or even see one. If I don't have a buck by noon,, he's safe till next year. My thing is to try to get right in amongst them,,in they're woods. If we didn't harvest deer in this area,, You'd need a snow plow on your car,, **pfft* to Protect your family. A few of the parks towards the city are issuing limited hunting permits,, the city skyscrapers are well with-in sight,,. because of deer damage. We promis. We won't kill them off. And the herd will stay strong, and if the size is managable, not as many will suffer along side the hi-way's. As a land owner, it's more like a duty to 'take care of my share',,get 1. been slippin lately,,but I probably killed many more than my share when I's a kid. I guess I still shoot varmints, the dogs take a heavy toll on all small furry wid animals. I love dogs, horses & pussy,,, and some animals.hunting is a good thing. I shall pray for you as your likely to get flamed for posting that. I will speak up though about being the same way. I was raised on a farm to kill both for pleasure and to protect the livestock. Although I care for all animals and haven't hunted in the last 3+ years it's still how I was raised. I never was into hunting as much as my siblings as I preferred fishing but it's still an enjoyment. When I did hunt it was more or less once year dove hunting & small rodents. I was raised to consider people who cared about animals as fruitcakes who had been to the psychiatrist one too many times but in my personal life experience I have come to think differently, obviously as I'm here now. For most people it's not about bringing an animal to extinction but rather ending it's single life, which Zoophiles consider the people who end the life of an animal to not consider it as their equal. I consider most domestic animals equal to me so I consider myself a Zoophile but I drew the line at most wild animals or natural pests. You can say humans are a natural pest in the animals point of view, which we are but that's just the nature in the animals that some of us are.I'd do almost anything for any dog or domestic animal I've owned but I decided to draw the line at a rational point. A lot of Zoophiles wouldn't go out of their way to stop themselves from killing a mosquito or a fly which has a brain and is therefore equal to any dog or wild animal. Might not get enjoyment out of killing an insect so it can't be entirely compared to getting enjoyment from hunting but if it was so easily explained there wouldn't be so many people hunting.I wouldn't hunt now because I've reached a point that I have compassion for most everything that has an awareness of it's life and can feel pain but that's my experience and drive as I grew up.
I am a carnivore, mostly. And I have fished and would like to try hunting but I can't stand guns or bows for that matter, I am a bit old school and would use a spear. But there are some obviouse animals I would never hunt; I would never hunt a canine and only hurt one in self deffence but try not to kill it.
I fish quite often. *waits to get flamed* But i would never hunt anything, though i eat deer, im a wolf, its a prey animal, so thats how i justify it. I hate ppl who shoot foxes, cuz u cant even eat them. But i wil never shoot anything.
QUOTE (lone-wolf-kiara @ Feb 9 2007, 06:57 PM) I fish quite often. *waits to get flamed* But i would never hunt anything, though i eat deer, im a wolf, its a prey animal, so thats how i justify it. I hate ppl who shoot foxes, cuz u cant even eat them. But i wil never shoot anything. You can eat anything, even humans It's up to your personal beliefs and how you let society affect you. Somewhere off in a place I've never heard of I'm sure they eat foxes but wouldn't eat a cow I've always eaten meat, like at least every few days. I restrict myself to beef, chicken and limited fish, although I have eaten deer and various other meats I don't really like the flavoring. The only pork I eat is baconettes after a few beers.
Im a Carnivore interesting Thread you can hunt and Kill and still love animals.I am a Fish Hobbyest,I have six Fish Tanks with various Groupers and Snappers and Clown Fish and Such.I love my Fish and yet I can go Fishing tomorrow and bring home fish and cook it up.I tend to be along the lines of if you kill it eat it.However some Humans are hunters at Heart and the thrill of the Hunt is primal.Sometimes we Humans can be like primal Animals and Hunt for the thrill some people dont like that but hey we are all different okay.When I go Fishing I usally catch and release depending on the Fish.But it is inflicting pain on a Fish with a hook but that is life other animals hunt I hunt but not with a Gun but a fishing pole.I dont have to Fish people, but I like the thrill, Hunting is in our Bones.Not so long ago we use to be on the Menu.I like being at the top of the Food Chain it wasnt always this way for Humans .So to the people that dont hunt or eat meat more power to you.And to those of us that hunt and Fish and eat meat pass the A1 Steak Sauce Please.
QUOTE (KnottyBusiness @ Feb 8 2007, 11:15 PM) Sorry but I just HAVE to interject on this. You claim with a 30/30 to be able to hit a baseball ( Approximate size of a deer's head.) at 250 yards with a HOLLOW point bullet. Number one, Once the bullet leaves the barrel it becomes liquified lead. Which is what hollowpoints are made for. To claim that accuracy is that absolute with IRON SIGHTS is just unbelieveable, Sorry. I've seen deer with their lower and upper snouts blown off because of hunters like you that go for headshots. I'm a competition shooter, I can hit a golf ball at 100 yards repeatedly with a .22 ( With BOTH a scope And a rest. ) And I still find your stories VERY hard to believe. Another thing to point out, Is that you would never know by looking for the bullet if you had clipped the deer. They run off quicker than they can bleed most of the time, especially in a blood deprived spot like the face/head area. I don't know what kind of deer you have been hunting but the ones i hunt all have a head much larger than a baseball.. That being said, regardless of the true comparison for some to make this claim is doing nothing but blowing smoke.. A 30/30 at 250 yards would be lucky to break the skin.. The effective range for a 30/30 for whitetail deer is approximatelly 150 yards, and the it must hit a vital organ, anything beyond that is pure luck regardlsee of how good of a marksman you are.. The part about finding the bullets that missed is pure BS.. There agin if you were to find a spent bullet after being fired from 250 yards would be extremley difficult even with a metal detector. Even then there would be absolutelly no way to determin if it had hit it's target unless maybe you did a lab alallysis for blood..BTW a bullet never liquifies unless you put it in a very hot fire.. The muzzel vilocity of a 30/30 is so slow that it dosent even get hot from anything except the powder charge.. True enough there are some rounds that have enough vilocity to actually explode on impact because of heat buildup caused by the friction of the air. For example I shoot a 270 130 grain powerpont softpont which dosent expand untill after penitration and then forms a perfect mushrom, Not passing compleetly through the body in most cases which allows for the targer to get the full impact of the foot pound of preassure which is all important in a kill shot, Even moreso than a well placed shot. But the same 270 130 grain in a 'boat tail' has so much speed that it actually explodes into fine shratmil on impact before penitration. When I say EXPLODE i mean that i have shot that round into a clay bank at as close as 50 yards and as far away as 100, then digging out the bullet can only to find very tiny cinders of lead and a few shreds of brass.. A very inefective bullet for whitetail deer..As far as a 250 yard shot, I have no problem with takeing that shot and have made clean kills as far as 300 but then i use a 12x40 snipers scope that allows me to zoom in on a target at 500 yards close enough to count the hair on its head but would never attempt a headshot at that distance even though i can place all 5 rounds in the dot of a target at 100 yards concistantly.. I would never take a shot unless i know beyond a doubt that i can hit my mark. I have shot this same gun and amo since 1976 and can safelly say that I have never hit my target that it travelled mort than 25 yards regardles of where the bullet hit, because the impact is so great that it actually explodes the artiries away from the heart. Its common knowledge at my cam that if they hear me shoot that we will be haveing fresh vinison for supper.BTW I'm part american indian and have a very high respect of all living things.. I grew up as a share croppers son and it was necessary to hunt for meat if you planned to eat... Because of the cost of bullets we were taught never to shoot unless you knew that the result would be more valuable than the bullet and we never took more than we could eat in one day.. Deer in my part of the country was almost nonexisting so we were linited to squirrel and rabbit with a few coons and opossims on ocasion..deerhunter
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i went hunting once and more then likely never againi don't like getting up that early in the morning if it started later on then yea
I hate getting up early as well..I hunt paper targets, the season is always open and any time you can get to the range works.. Also the cleen up is easy just sweep & save the brass.I do go out / ride in the woods but I use a camera, backed up with a simi auto..Rus
QUOTE I don't know what kind of deer you have been hunting but the ones i hunt all have a head much larger than a baseball.. That being said, regardless of the true comparison for some to make this claim is doing nothing but blowing smoke.. A 30/30 at 250 yards would be lucky to break the skin.. The effective range for a 30/30 for whitetail deer is approximatelly 150 yards, and the it must hit a vital organ, anything beyond that is pure luck regardlsee of how good of a marksman you are.. The part about finding the bullets that missed is pure BS.. There agin if you were to find a spent bullet after being fired from 250 yards would be extremley difficult even with a metal detector. Even then there would be absolutelly no way to determin if it had hit it's target unless maybe you did a lab alallysis for blood..Just poppin' in to clarify what I had meant. The brain of a deer is about the size of a baseball. That is essentially what you are aiming for when talking about a "humane" kill. I'll even go as far as to say as big as a softball. The point is, It is EXTREMELY, if not Impossible to hit a softball consistantly at 250 yards with iron sights and hollowpoints. Hollowpoints themselves are only used for close kills, Not any true long distance shooting. Unlike Sabot rounds which spread on impact, But can give you stability in the round. If you are using a 3-9X Scope, With FMJ 30-30 rounds though, It would be possible. But you would then have to master the right breathing techniques to be able to stabilize for the shot. Oh and a 30/30 can kill at 500 yards. As long as you have a less than 90-degree arc, a .22 bullet can kill at a mile away. The impact energy is still contained, And can only be largely dissipated at above a 90-degree angle shot.Also, we are totally on the same page, saying that guy is not telling the truth about his shooting habits.
In a word...No I do not hunt. BZ.
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i hunt but for the reason of conservation let me ask you guys who think hunting is cruel is it cruler to starve to death because of overpopulation or is it better to die a quick death also if you kill somthing EAT IT
I went deer hunting this year here in pennsylvania I saw a couple doe and two small bucks (that you are not allowed to shoot) I didn't get anything.
I also dont like getting up in the morning tramping out in the rain or snow. I used to go out with my dad when i was younger, but in the past years we have had an abundance of hunters trespassing on our land and killing whatever moves and leaving it out there to die, then the dogs go out and drag it back to the house. I enjoy the time after hunting season when the deer come up to the house and eat.
I love shooting..It is so much fun but, Hunting no way. I have no need for the meat of the animal. I can aford to buy it. I just do not think it is neccesary to hunt when you are not in need of the animal for food.Like another member that posted here I hunt with my camera, I find it more thrilling..You still have the chase...Heart pumping, your brain is functioning always looking for the best shot...When I shoot, the animal lives another day. And I feel great to..
I have been hunting for over 42 years now.Mostly with bow and arrow,but also at times with a rifle.I enjoy it very much and the meat is greatly appreciated by the people I share it with.I do not kill for sport or pleasure.I enjoy being in the woods weather I shoot anything or not.It is very peacefull and relaxing.There have been many times that I did not have a bow or rifle with me during some hunting days,but carried a cam corder instead and took many rememberable movie footage.There are things that I have seen that people will never see,I have been very fortunate to see nature and animals at thier best and to record it on tape for prosperity.When I do take an animal I consider it like icing on the cake because I respect them very much and I do enjoy nature and all its beautifull creatures.I own a beautifull home on 5 acres and have many deer,turkey,rabbits,and birds around all the time.I spend lots of money each year to feed them all,especially during the harsh winter months,but I do not hunt any of these animals on or near my home and property.I own over 300 acres about 3 and 1/2 hours away and hunt there with 6 other of my friends.
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QUOTE (Zimmm @ Sep 28 2006, 09:00 PM) I hunt deer and before the animal rights activists hop up on thier soapboxes just let me say that the meat you buy in the supermarket all wrapped up in celophane didnt start out in life that way, and animals that are bred for food usually die more painfully than those killed by a competant hunter's bullet. Just my two cents my feelings exactly. Thats why i hunt 4-5 days a week during every season.
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The animal rights people have not posted here so we do not need to deal with that issue.We do however need to remember we all have varing opinions on this subject.We also need to remember we can offend others with out meaning to.I remember axcidently offending some one descussing a dead frozen processed chicken..Just a thoughtRus
Nope, never
my boyfriend does...he hunts ducks and turkeys....which i have hard time getting in a lather over, now if he hunted dogs...and periodically we have a wild dog problem here...i don't know...they are dangerous but well anyway he doesn't and the turkeys are smarter than him anyway though he does get lucky everyonce in awhile and the birds taste really good.
A single .22 bullet can travel over a mile. A higher caliber can naturally travel even farther than that. And the guy says he can track down every miss? I highly doubt that.
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I like to stalk pussy!!Does that count?
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I think we can say he is trying to be a responcible hunter by being as good a shot as he can be. You can not falt him for that. Axcidents can happen and misses are going to happen as well.As this thred is kind of on the frindge of posting here and we are here for the sex as apposed to our marksmanship we need to take a that into account..for the record I cary for all lawfull purposes. So I am good enough to know rounds fired by the weight of the guns I cary. And I can raise heck with a paper target. I have 2 living friends, one shoots rifle to at least 1/2 mile he loads his own amo and he never misses but as he gets older the nightmares keep comming back to him..Firearms are a lot af fun and many different people enjoy them differently. As long as we are responcible in our handling we will be axcepted despite the fact we are a minority.And have no regretsRus
I hunt and fish. First let me say the reason I hunt is to feed my family, the area my family choose to live in is the poorest county in the state and not many jobs so hunt to put food on my table. I practiceall the time to make sure I am acurate. I tend to more archery hunting than anything. Ifeel it is more of a challenge and gives my target more of a chance to survive.
I am an animal lover, and I am hunting for more than ten years now, mostly rabbit, hare, some roe deer, and foxes. As some people already wrote, overpopulation due to lack of top-level predators can have bad effects on the natural balance. What is at least as bad from an animal lover's point of view are the diseases it can lead to. When I moved to where I am living now seven years ago, foxes weren't hunted. They were very abundant, but they suffered badly from mange. Almost all the foxes seen here had patches of missing fur, almost naked tails, and so on; many of them died from mange or causes of mange. After fours years of hunting them in the winter season, mange was pretty much completely gone. There are slightly fewer foxes now, but they are healthy and in prime shape.So, in other words, sometimes hunting is for the better of the foxes (or other animals).I want to point out that I eat the rabbits, hares and deer I shoot, and that I only hunt foxes in winter when their pelts are usable (I skin all of them nowadays). I have occassionally even eaten fox. Also, I don't shoot random animals that just happen to get in front of my rifle. I spend a lot of time watching "my" animals, honoring them by admiring their beauty and their place in nature.
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I am a hunter , I hunt with a bow / rifle /muzzleloader , but just kicking back up my tree seat and enjoying the birds and chipmunks and whatever else comes my way is just plain awsome .. I really don't even care if I get anything Just being able to go out and enjoy the beauty is enough .. I do love venison very much and I usually get one . I feed the aniamls in my yard during the winter ... They are nice to watch.. Hunting season in Pennsylvania is huge ... It's almost as exciting as any other holiday . I'm not a trophy hunter , plus I have shot one bear before . It will be my last bear I ever shoot again . I only take good shots , I can't stand to see a wounded animal running around ..I guess I'm getting soft hearted in my old age .
i havent ever hunted, when i was a kid i used to fish, but im not a vegitarian either
I have hunted (been a few years) and will probably hunt again. I enjoy sitting out in the woods. Maybe take a good book, or study for a test. Heh, even handheld videogames. I have also killed a few deer and thouroughly enjoyed the experiance. The smell of the freshly spilled blood excites me. I do harvest the meat from the carcass for food.Yes, I enjoy hunting for the sport. If you think that's wrong, well, you are entitled to your oppinion. I don't see anything wrong with it. I wouldn't kill a human (unless they actively threatened the security of my home and safety of my family), and I wouldnt' kill a higher order animal (anything above a rodent that's infesting my home) for any reason besides food (legally obtained) or defense.I probably offended some people with my post, and I appologize. But, this is me. I have some interest in the topic of bestiality but am not currently acive in the life style. I probably never will be, but that's more out of preferance for human partners than anything else. Also maybe a little guilt (which nobody here can talk me out of)....Please don't me
Personally I'm anti-hunting. But, hunting is in fact one of our deep-in-soul instincts. I can understand those hunters who hunts for contact with nature (though believe in that there're a thousand better way), but not those hunt for fur or sport. I'm a bit more radical than an average animal welfarist, but definitely not a animal rightist.
I don't hunt and never will, since that is not my sort of thing. In our society I don't have to hunt for food so I'm taking this opportunity. Hunting is okay if it has a sense like getting food for example. But I'm totally against of killing an animal for fun like sports hunting etc.
Unfortunatly if we didn't have hunters to keep the population down ( since were building everywhere ) you would see many sick starving animals and more bear attacts .. Starvation is an ugly sight to see ... Most hunters who hunt for the sport of it and don't eat the meat , donate to the needy .. We have this here in PA . I like to eat the meat . But if I ever would shoot more than I need I would donate ..
I would like to learn how to hunt safely and properly some day... I'd really like to hunt for some of my meat.
I found it interesting when I started reading this that it had taken on a different angle than I thought it would have and then I realised why. If I'm not mistaken a significant proportion of these answers are from Americans where obviously guns are legal and people hunt on an individial basis (as such) in addition to any hunting clubs etc there may be. Hunts here are mostly group hunts for sporting purposes complete with full regalia, pack of dogs etc. and generally guns are extremely rare in this country as a whole. Anti blood sport campaigners have been trying for years to curb and / or curtail these activities. It's not an isue that affects me in my day today life but I think personally I would have to say that I'm against it for pure sporting purposes ...... each to their own !
I go hunting a lot,i hunt every thing in north america, for bears to coons. But there are any of times were i will go out and just let my dogs run the game, not shooting any thing, or go up in a stand and watch the wild life.
No, not my thing. Apart from being incredibly squeamish, I wouldn't find it fun - I'd feel like a monster. Plus there's the whole me being a vegetarian thing. Call me a bleeding heart, but that's just the way I am! Hunting for sport isn't very common where I'm from anyway. Ditto with civilian fire arm ownership. Sara
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Opinions are like assholes , everyone's got one . We have alot of folks here who don't hunt either and thats cool too . It does sound horrible for people who never done it ...I don't like to see crippled or wounded animals either . But the chance on filling your freezer with venison once a year and making sure your shot is clean and accurate I see nothing wrong with it. Better than the animal thats kept in the barn for butchering , now that saddens me..Poor creatures are raised to die ..
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I used to hunt ducks and geese but I had to stop because I felt bad when I shoot a bird, there was no more fun in it for me.
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QUOTE (Knot_my_bitch @ Jan 22 2008, 12:41 PM) No, not my thing. Apart from being incredibly squeamish, I wouldn't find it fun - I'd feel like a monster. Plus there's the whole me being a vegetarian thing. Call me a bleeding heart, but that's just the way I am! Hunting for sport isn't very common where I'm from anyway. Ditto with civilian fire arm ownership. Sara You are a bleading heart! What? You said to call you that..As for the whole gun ownership thing, I strongly advocate the "right to keep and bare arms". Yeah, I'm a gun owner, and I got lots of them. Anyone that breaks into my house in the middle of the night will meet the barrel of a gun and a bullet in them. The government can have my guns when they pry them from my cold dead hands!
I hunt. Human has done it for tens of thousands of years, and our ancestors before that. Its nature, if you dont like it, too bad.
Just out of curiosity: Does anybody (else) here actually shoot animals he considers sexy/he gets turned on by? If yes, how do you handle the emotional ambivalence?Feel free to send my a private msg if you don't want to talk about it here. I've been pondering this issue a lot and wouldn't mind exchanging some thoughts with people who are also interested in the matter.
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I own a few rifles and shot guns , plus I have a compound and a crossbow ..I agree if the Gov. tried to take mine you would hear about it on CNN. DON'T Touch the weapons Bro! There mine to bare whenever I want. I want to hunt with Ted Nuggent .. He's my hero , spirit of the wild !!!
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even though i hunt i will not hunt with a bow and arrow because i belive that the animal suffers too much when you use an arrow that is why i use a .308 win. mag.
There is no difference in what weapon you choose, being a bow or a rifle . You have to make a perfect shot .. During our gun season I see alot of poor deer missing legs / gut shot .. I know a bow if not placed right can wound too , but being that there are more rifle hunters during the season alot get wounded.. We used to feed a 3 leg doe in our yard for years , she had it blown off with a rifle.. She even had fawns after that.. People call us Bow hunters GangGreeners , its the ones who don't take there time and aim ..
trust me i take my time to aim ive never had a deer go than 50 yards after i hit them.and caliber makes a HUGE difference amagine shooting a deer with a .22 how far do you think it would go?now imagine the same shot except with a .50 how far would that deer go?
QUOTE (clint424 @ Jan 22 2008, 07:24 PM) I used to hunt ducks and geese but I had to stop because I felt bad when I shoot a bird, there was no more fun in it for me. Did you? Well, a hunter killed my mother when we were flying somewhere over Canada. It was either Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, or Prince Edward Island and we were on migration at the time. Dad never did look back. Just a couple honks and we were off.So where did you typically hunt?
The last time I went hunting was four or five years ago. Spent a couple of weeks up North with some friends. It was a hunting trip from . But it was worth it. Got a six pointer.
QUOTE (memau @ Jan 22 2008, 10:12 PM) trust me i take my time to aim ive never had a deer go than 50 yards after i hit them.and caliber makes a HUGE difference amagine shooting a deer with a .22 how far do you think it would go?now imagine the same shot except with a .50 how far would that deer go? If you would like to know, let me know. I have experience & knowledge with the .50CAL
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I do huntmostly feral animals such as pigs foxes and rabbits
QUOTE (webster_of_firearms @ Jan 23 2008, 08:36 PM) QUOTE (memau @ Jan 22 2008, 10:12 PM) trust me i take my time to aim ive never had a deer go than 50 yards after i hit them.and caliber makes a HUGE difference amagine shooting a deer with a .22 how far do you think it would go?now imagine the same shot except with a .50 how far would that deer go? If you would like to know, let me know. I have experience & knowledge with the .50CAL I have a 50 cal Muzzle loader that I hunt with , Flint loc . And Yes I have had deer go over 100 yards with a good shot ..Plus I have killed plenty of deer with a 22 cal. right between the lookers , they drop right away . I have .30.06 2432250.cal Muzzle410 shotgun12 guage mossberg turkey gunTitan CrossbowMartin Jaguar compound bow I'm booking hunts here in PA.. Free hunts to BF members , ( j/k )
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The only hunting i do is upland game ... ie the feathery type ... I wont hunt mammals
i wont hunt at all. period. never have, never will.i respect other ppl for the decisions they make though.personally, i think its as barbaric a pasttime as gladiator sports and bull/bear baiting. do you believe that animal has a soul? i do, so i think of that as essentially murder. but were all different in our opinions, which is why were all here. btw, i wont get into an argument about it, so dont bother. please respect my opinion as i have yours.
Since the question was asked: No, I do not think animals have souls... at least, not most animals. Dogs I gotta wonder about... just kidding. Though they are some of the best companion animals around..........I want a ferret!
I come from a family who's tradition is hunting , from waterfowl to upland game and big game such as deer and elk. I hunt not for the trophy but for the meat . Wild game is far better to consume than farm raised beef or pork. The big cattle and hog growers load there animals up with antibiotics and such to keep them from getting ill. In turn you eat that ! Ever wonder why most people when sick have to take LARGE amounts of antibiotics !? You don't get that from wild game. I respect the people who don't hunt for what ever there reasons and us hunters should be respected for our beliefs in turn .
QUOTE (abracon @ Jan 22 2008, 03:08 PM) Just out of curiosity: Does anybody (else) here actually shoot animals he considers sexy/he gets turned on by? If yes, how do you handle the emotional ambivalence?Feel free to send my a private msg if you don't want to talk about it here. I've been pondering this issue a lot and wouldn't mind exchanging some thoughts with people who are also interested in the matter. That might be why Im able to hunt. I dont think I could ever shoot a dog or horse.
Interesting topic ...I used to hunt / kill animals as a part of my former job ( wildlife officer )I am a zoophile ... equines and bovines mainly ... Cows are SEXY !!!I am a vegetarian ... I am also a farmer ... I have a cow-calf operation ( part-time next to my job ) and sell my calves to the feedlot, where I know exactly what's gonna happen to them.Do I have a problem with that ?? NO !!I am probably the only Alberta Cattle Producer, who doesn't eat his own product and I am sure that in many people on this board think I am acting totally wrong.I have to make a difference in my head between my "lover", a beautiful jersey X black angus, which will never get loaded onto the cattleliner and the herd, which has only one purpose... Yes, I do like the other cows and yes it does hurt, when they go, but I have to treat them differently ...I don't allow myself to get emotionally attached to them ...they have no names, just eartags and numbers and I ( try not to ) have relationships with any of them.I have no problem with people hunting and eating meat and don't think that anybody has the right to judge those who do. It is a decision you have to make for yourself ....just like we have to decide for ourselves if we consider ourselves zoophiles or not ... unfortunately too many other people are judging us !!!just some thoughts .....tear me apart IZ/
I Hunt. I do it for several reasons. !) e and my Family are very poor and need the meat to make it through the winter.2) I love being outdoors and communing with it and all God's Creation. (Yeah before you go into it, I believe in God and I am a christian. I know most of us think its wrong to have sex with animals but I can form my own opinion. I'm not some drone!)I do hunt with a rifle and yes it usually does cause the animal pain. But I give the blessing and pray and try my best to give back to the Earth for allowing me such a gracious gift of one of its children.I realize that hunting with a rifle isn't so sporting. and the animal has less chances than if I did so with a bow. which, BTW, is a great way to hunt. It takes much more skill and the animal has much more a chance.If You've ever watched Ted Nugent on the Outdoor Channel you might be able to understand my thought process.It also helps conserve the environment and cut down on the animals that exist making accidents a smaller chance.If anyone has any sort of comments for me please PM me and we can talk.
QUOTE (webster_of_firearms @ Jan 23 2008, 03:36 PM) QUOTE (memau @ Jan 22 2008, 10:12 PM) trust me i take my time to aim ive never had a deer go than 50 yards after i hit them.and caliber makes a HUGE difference amagine shooting a deer with a .22 how far do you think it would go?now imagine the same shot except with a .50 how far would that deer go? If you would like to know, let me know. I have experience & knowledge with the .50CAL i do too. i was using it as an example
QUOTE (laythepipe @ Jan 24 2008, 09:30 AM) QUOTE (webster_of_firearms @ Jan 23 2008, 08:36 PM) QUOTE (memau @ Jan 22 2008, 10:12 PM) trust me i take my time to aim ive never had a deer go than 50 yards after i hit them.and caliber makes a HUGE difference amagine shooting a deer with a .22 how far do you think it would go?now imagine the same shot except with a .50 how far would that deer go? If you would like to know, let me know. I have experience & knowledge with the .50CAL I have a 50 cal Muzzle loader that I hunt with , Flint loc . And Yes I have had deer go over 100 yards with a good shot ..Plus I have killed plenty of deer with a 22 cal. right between the lookers , they drop right away . I have .30.06 2432250.cal Muzzle410 shotgun12 guage mossberg turkey gunTitan CrossbowMartin Jaguar compound bow I'm booking hunts here in PA.. Free hunts to BF members , ( j/k ) i was talking about this kind of fifty not a muzzle loader
I used to hunt Stray dogs for lovin ... My reward was their Pleasure that's probably not a good thing really ... but it was fun, and the doggies did enjoy it too
QUOTE (memau @ Jan 28 2008, 03:23 PM) QUOTE (laythepipe @ Jan 24 2008, 09:30 AM) QUOTE (webster_of_firearms @ Jan 23 2008, 08:36 PM) QUOTE (memau @ Jan 22 2008, 10:12 PM) trust me i take my time to aim ive never had a deer go than 50 yards after i hit them.and caliber makes a HUGE difference amagine shooting a deer with a .22 how far do you think it would go?now imagine the same shot except with a .50 how far would that deer go? If you would like to know, let me know. I have experience & knowledge with the .50CAL I have a 50 cal Muzzle loader that I hunt with , Flint loc . And Yes I have had deer go over 100 yards with a good shot ..Plus I have killed plenty of deer with a 22 cal. right between the lookers , they drop right away . I have .30.06 2432250.cal Muzzle410 shotgun12 guage mossberg turkey gunTitan CrossbowMartin Jaguar compound bow I'm booking hunts here in PA.. Free hunts to BF members , ( j/k ) i was talking about this kind of fifty not a muzzle loader Yep. I was thinking about the Barrett M107 also when I replied. Don't get me wrong. I have respect for the muzzle loader, but I perfer bullets. I love shooting my 50cal., but I haven't shot it in a while. 50BMG ammo is a little expensive. Just one Tracer A/P round cost me $13.00, & a regular 50BMG round is $9.00! You buy a box of 10 rounds, you pay about $100.00, but I find it cheaper if you reload your own ammo.
Let's see what I got. I have:(of course) Barrett M107---50BMG Two 380 Autos'Two 9mm Luger (favorite being Beretta M9)A pistol called "Malakov" (I think) its a 7.62 x 25mmA 38 revolver12G Mossberg M500Winchester Model 70---30.06A total of 9 firearms. Next on my list is a 1911-45cal., H&K MK23-45cal., Barrett M468-6.8mm, so on & so on. Just need to invest in the Redneck 401K first.
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QUOTE (dixiedoll @ Oct 3 2006, 04:09 PM) Currently, no... but if they ever discontinue those meat filled, plastic wrapped foam trays at Wal-mart, then maybe... or I'll become a vegan... Ya got me again
Yes I do, I hunt deer, moose and partridge(sp?) and I fish. I also hunt Coyotes,but that is a nuisence problem you dont eat them. I mainly use a .50cal Black powder and I also carry a .44 revolver black powder when I am out in the woods, If I am going hunting in the think swamp areas I use a 12gauge with open sites. I have also used a . 22 mag with a shoot to the head before, the .50cal if you shoot the deer in the heart its not going anywhere cause it will just explode it.I hunt deer for the meat, it is nice to get a deer with a big rack everyonce in awhile but it needs to have a good amount of meat on it.I think I read at the top of the page about shooting an animal you loved, I live don a fruit farm and between everyone there was 6-7 dogs. If anyone of those dogs atacked or went after another person or dog/livestock, they went for a little walk into the field with mister 12ga.
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QUOTE (the_antipathist @ Jan 26 2008, 10:44 PM) Since the question was asked: No, I do not think animals have souls... at least, not most animals. Dogs I gotta wonder about... just kidding. Though they are some of the best companion animals around..........I want a ferret! ok, i know we're supposed to be civil in all arguementsbut seriously, how can you believe that animals don't have souls!? i just...thats beyond me. Are you saying that you don't believe in the soul, or that humans have them but not animals?
QUOTE (Nitely @ Feb 24 2008, 09:49 AM)QUOTE (dixiedoll @ Oct 3 2006, 04:09 PM) Currently, no... but if they ever discontinue those meat filled, plastic wrapped foam trays at Wal-mart, then maybe... or I'll become a vegan... Ya got me again First of all Nitely is lying, He loves eating pussy to much to become a veg !!!!!!!Several years ago I saw some thing that stuck in my mind for many years, a deer that was starving to death because of over population. The state had to go in and kill off so many dear. I also agree with Irishzoo, I bet he has seen the same thing I have. As for the one from Penn, I drove across I/80 one day and counted more then 20 deer laying along side the road. Competent hunters, that you learn as they are not born. I believe in conservation.
I have 2 bird dogs and there little more beautiful than an enthusiastic bird dog doing what the they were bred to do, moving through the feilds finding game, pointing said game, honnoring (backing up) each others point, retreiving downed game to hand for the table.Yes, hunter and proud of it. I follow the North West Steelheaders (local fisherman's group) motto: "Don't harvest your limit. Limit your harvest." ParaphrasedNon beer drinker! It dulles the enjoyment of the outdoors I love my dog dearly and they enjoy the hunt as much as I do. Just doing what come naturally.To each his own.Respect and health to all.One of my girls on point
Im going to have to agree with zimmm in that if you cant eat venison because its hunted then how can some of you eat beef from places like that california slaughterhouse? id rather be shot.............oh and i hunt and i would rather take a bullet than a spike used to kill cattle
I hunt whenever I can find the time. I love the outdoors. Wish I could be out there everyday.--ColumbusJack
im sorry i can never hunt and shoot an innocent animal,but anyone who hunts because they need the food is understandable.......thow i am guilty of fishing ,i love doing that XD
I live in an area where hunting is huge and is a main pastime of many of the residents here, and I can say I would never want to go hunting. When I was younger I would but as I got older I just didn't feel right about sitting in a tree (camouflaged of course...) for a couple hours waiting for a defenseless deer to walk by so I could shoot it. I really love animals and to just kill them while they go about there business in the forest is something that I feel is wrong. I would treat it the same as if I was sitting around in my neighborhood with a gun waiting for dogs or cats to be let outside so I could shoot them. Just my 2Cents though.Interested in hearing some other opinions because I've been thinking about this lately, so post up
People like to compartmentalize our carnivorous habits. Let's say you kill a mouse and give it to the cat. Let's say then that you let the cat kill his own mouse.Is the second paridigm somehow cruel or immoral? I would argue it is at least more noble/honest. We think if we buy it on a styrofoam tray it wasn't alive...At least what I hunt lived well. There is also a population management necessity with deer. There are too few hunters. In Upstate New York, there are half the hunters there were twenty years ago and the deer population is exploding. The fish and game department hires a company to round them up by the hundreds and kill them after deer season (that is in the one county alone that I know of). If not all deersuffer and disease spreads, many starve.We are, and have been, part of the ecosystem for thousands of years. We are in many cases the only viable predator left. (The real tragedy for these animals has been encroachment into their habitat for housing and a lack of predation.)--ColumbusJack
I figure i would put my 2 cents in. I lived in the northern part of wisconsin and hunting was a way of life for meand my family. I have taken my fair shre of game over the last decade or so. I have never taken anything my family would not eat nor would i ever. To me its not about killing its about being one with nature. To sit in a tree on awarm fall day watchn the squirls get ready for winter listening to the birds as they sing a wonerfull melod. To see nature at its finest. I to have seen things that you wont find ant where else like two bucks fighting for the right to a hot doe. what about the time a black bear climbed the tree about 10 feet to my leftand stared me in eyes wondering what i was, that scared me but these are things you cant experience if you dont get into the woods. I would rather eat something i took the time to harvest myself than something i took 2 seconds to buy in a store any day. thats all I have for now.
First off, I am not a hunter, I don't even know how to shoot a gun, but I do see its importance due to the lack of carnivores left in the wild.ColumbusJack stated it really well:QUOTE There is also a population management necessity with deer. There are too few hunters. In Upstate New York, there are half the hunters there were twenty years ago and the deer population is exploding. The fish and game department hires a company to round them up by the hundreds and kill them after deer season (that is in the one county alone that I know of). If not all deersuffer and disease spreads, many starve.We are, and have been, part of the ecosystem for thousands of years. We are in many cases the only viable predator left. (The real tragedy for these animals has been encroachment into their habitat for housing and a lack of predation.)Somebody needs to hunt and eat them; and since there aren't any wild carnivores left, humans take this role. Plus deer are pretty tasty.
QUOTE (columbusjack @ Mar 15 2008, 09:56 PM)People like to compartmentalize our carnivorous habits. Let's say you kill a mouse and give it to the cat. Let's say then that you let the cat kill his own mouse.Is the second paridigm somehow cruel or immoral? I would argue it is at least more noble/honest. We think if we buy it on a styrofoam tray it wasn't alive...At least what I hunt lived well. There is also a population management necessity with deer. There are too few hunters. In Upstate New York, there are half the hunters there were twenty years ago and the deer population is exploding. The fish and game department hires a company to round them up by the hundreds and kill them after deer season (that is in the one county alone that I know of). If not all deersuffer and disease spreads, many starve.We are, and have been, part of the ecosystem for thousands of years. We are in many cases the only viable predator left. (The real tragedy for these animals has been encroachment into their habitat for housing and a lack of predation.)--ColumbusJackJack,One small correction , shouldn't that be more like "millions of years"? Everything else is right on Though not that familiar with New York's situation (from NW US) 10
i am a hunter for me its not really about killing something its more about getting away from civilazation for a while and hanging out with some old buddies ps: id rather die from the bullet of a marksman whos hunted since he was knee high than the bolt to the head used to kill a hog
The only thing that i hunt is raccon, due to the damage that they do to the building that are on the farm i work on. Other then that i have not been hunting , but i have ate caraboo, moose and deer meat all ready. And for me carraboo is the best.
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I am an avid hunter and fisher. I am different from many people, in that if I kill it, I'm eating it. I've made people dress and clean armadillios and skunks before, because they shot them just for being varmin. I don't think its wrong to kill an animal for food. It's lower than rape to kill one for "fun"On the topic of fishing, again...If I catch and keep it, you'll see it fried,baked,broiled or turned into cat food before too long. If I'm taking it's life, it's dying for a good reason.But thats just me.
i'd hunt for food, you have no idea how "game" tastes over supermarket meat....omg! mouthgasm!, sorry i was raised on that stuff.....animals die from predators, being ripped to shreds when still alive even...so why can't we eat them too?, we are omnivores, not herbivores by nature...i prefer meat myself, meat and fruit....i'm not a veggie fan>_>
I do not hunt, allthough I practice shooting with a variety of weapons, (the only season I know is Turist Season, and you can't shoot at those either )I believe on an extreme need case I could use that skill to provide myself.
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does fishing count?then yesI caught a already dead fishI think the lake was messed up or something
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i fish and thats about it
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