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Hi there, this is a question which goes around in my head very long. What is the morality on this forum. I didnt find any thread to this question so I start one.I dont want to offend the Posters of the threads I use here for example.Do you feel responsible for your animals?With this question I mean the thing if it is important for you what your animal feels and if it likes what is happening or is this a thing you dont care for and just use it as an "extended sex toy" ?I have read enough threads where the (mostly) dogs are only used as an enhanced dildo. Also have seen enough porn which made me feel bad.If you feel responsible for your animal, does that count for other animals too ?With this point I mean postings like "Action in the animal shelter" and similar.There are some threads in here involving actions with sheltered dogs. I really do not understand why people do this. I admit that I have done it with a sheltered dog.....but after that I have thought about this term.Maybe I have showed this dog something beautiful which he never will have again. Of course there are enough stories about self masturbation from dogs....but I think thats not similar to having real sex.But thats not the only thing. Imagine you have sex with a sheltered dog several times. The dog "gets used" to have sex with humans. Now this dog comes to a family with children. Now I paint the devil on the wall and the dog tries to mate with the child, because there is a situation similar to the situation you were having sex with this dog. I just think of playing lego on all fours or something else. if this happens once it maybe funny, but if this thing will repeat the dog gets neutered or in the worst case the dog will put down.At this moment I would feel responsible to the death of this dog.I dont know if I am one of the few who care about such things but it would be great to know how you think about such things.GreetingsShadow Wolfpaw
Right or wrong questions are often tricky to answer.The example you give I wouldn't consider really wrong. However, I personally wouldn't have sex with an animal that belongs to someone else in part because of what you describe. The personality of the animal could change and though that needn't be bad for the animal at all it could be for the owner. Why people do it? Well, you did so I guess you should know the answer: people see an opportunity so they take advantage of it, often regardless of the possible consequences. And yes, it's true that sadly a lot of people use animals like a sex toy. I find it sad, however, if the animal is treated with respect and does enjoy it I can't say it's wrong.My personal morality:Hurt nobody (no animal or person) in any way (physically, emotionally, financially, reducing their quality of life etc.) or do something that could potentially hurt someone. This when possible ofcourse - there's always situations in which there is no perfect solution.
Thank you for starting this thread. I hope that it produces some discussion and thought.
This topic makes me a bit nervous.. please remember we are all adults and debate this as adults... there will be no flaming and or bashing of anyones opinions.. and/or answers ... It is my belief that the majority of the members here love and respect their animals/pets.. and consider them a part of their family... I have even heard some state that they would never have sex with their own pets because they dont think it is right.. while I dont understand picking up strays or fence hopping.. the people I know that have done something similar.. have done it with love and kindness in their hearts.. and what they believe to be love and affection for the animal they have choosen to love.. I myself am grateful to my friend aveeno for sharing with me the love of her Lycos.. had it not been for her kindness I wouldnt not have the experience I do have I am unable to get myself a dog that I would like to be sexually involved with.. I live in an apartment and am away from home 10-12 hours a day 5 days a week .. this would be unfair to him and I refuse to do this to someone.. animal or human we all have different reason for what we do... and I believe for the most part we all try to do what is best for us and the animal..... even though our desires might get the best of us Ill be watching this topic closely!
The answers you will receive I expect will be based on each individuals personal view. I can see that the senario you have painted could indeed lead to heartache.Personally I have never instigated anything other than allowing dogs to explore their curiosity, their desire was already there.A good example would be Jack, his owner was a friend of mine and was looking for a home for him. My husband had recently left me and I was a home all day with my baby, I had a big house with a garden and I agreed that I would take Jack.The first time I met him he tried to mount me, I was at my friends and she told me he does this to everyone the first time he meets them. When I got him home I discovered this to be true, anyone new who came to visit got mounted, lol. Personally I think he was trying them out to see if they would let him if he was pushed away then that was that and he would be ok unless they got him over excited by petting him then he would try his luck again. He later discovered I liked in the same way and we had lots of fun together I had every intention that Jack would be my dog forever, life however had other plans and I had to move into a flat and couldnt take Jack with me I gave him to my boyfriend and he lives there still now 7 years later. He still trys to hump anyone new, randy old sod, but thats just Jack. He is happy, healthy and well cared for, I am sad he doesnt have a sex life anymore but how many dogs go through life intact and horny without any relief?I honestly dont think I have caused any detrimental effect to him, I am sure other will disagree and would be interested in others point of view too.
I am wonderwing something...Concerning people that own a male dog, I think the dog had tried to mount them at least one or more times. So maybe it is possible that ALL the dog's owner are involved in K9 fantasies...I mean... is this possible that a woman that owns a male dog and that is alone with him in a room doesn't have any desire of having sex with his dog ? Is this possible ?I think that ALL women are interested in having wild sex with dogs !!!!!!
I would not go so far as to say that all pet owners have sexual fantasies about their pets, because there are some people that have pets for various reasons. Personally I feel that we have a responsibility to pet kind just as we do human kind. They deserve our respect.
Of course, the answers you'll get are subjective. That's sort of a given for moral questions. While some like to pontificate about absolute Good and Evil, the reality is that we all have to work out for ourselves what we believe to be right and wrong. That's part of the "work" of being an adult, if you will.That being said, I've never really agreed with the "sex with strays is wrong" line of argument. I think that while it's sweet and romantic to talk about being "deeply in love" with your dog, that's just hopeless anthropomorphizing. Dogs are different from people. Not necessarily better, not necessarily worse, but different. They see things differently. They have different drives, different needs, different intellectual capacities. Believing that a dog sees things as a human does is, I think, terribly naive. Romantic love is a human invention, and a relatively recent one at that (if you look back in history, it's only really since the troubadours of the 13-15th centuries that the concept of romantic love has existed; before that it was just the agape flavor of love, plus sex).It's arguably true that having sex with a dog might alter his personality; we know that having sex with a human alters their behavior. But the "it might cause harm" argument doesn't fly with me -- anything you do might cause harm. Almost any action you perform might lead to harm... and it might not. You need to show probable harm, and balance it with gain. It's very easy and simplistic to say "do no harm," but what about the so-called "sins of omission" -- where you harm some being through in-action? What if acting and not-acting will produce equivalent (but non-identical) harms? Simply put, there is no calculus of morality. Each case must be decided on an individual basis. When you add into the mix the strong feelings that can be aroused by, well, sexual arousal, things can get dicey.The idea of "just using an animal as a sex toy" implies that it's all or nothing; either you love your animal romantically -- music swells, soft candles flicker, you go in for a deep muzzle-kiss, or you are beating it, raping it, and abusing it. But what about the in-between case? Where you care for the animal, see to its basic needs (food, shelter, basic affection, etc.), but also have sex with it? Is that wrong? Where's the bottom line? How much responsibility do you have to an animal simply because you have sex with it?If this is too confusing or controversial, make it humans. If a woman decides to have casual sex with a man, and they agree that it's casual sex, and she doesn't get pregnant and nobody catches an STD, what is her responsibility to that man? Suppose that man is an invalid (this will make sense in a moment) who is still somehow able to have sex. If he needs someone to take care of his basic needs -- feed him, bathe him, etc. -- does the woman, just because she had consensual sex with him, suddenly have the responsibility to take care of him and give him a home, just because they had sex?The problem is that we want sex to be more meaningful than it is. We put all these important, complicated feelings -- love, trust, commitment -- on top of what is, after all, a very simple biological urge. Instead of accepting that sex and love are two separate things, we get angry at people who just want sex, or (to a lesser degree) just want love. We see love as somehow "good" and "pure" and sex as harmful or at least dangerous. All these expectations and connotations placed on such a simple biological urge.When a dog jumps up and humps your leg, do you think he's saying "I love you, cherish and protect me forever?" No, of course not. You may fool yourself into believing that if it makes you happy, but all he's saying is "I'm horny. Your leg looks convenient." Humans also get leg-humpingly horny, but we want to fool ourselves into believing it's something more meaningful and significant when sometimes, in reality, all it is is scratching a basic biological itch.So back to having sex with strays. Of course, this doesn't fit our romanticized ideal of "happily ever after." Of course some say, with scathing disdain, "you're just USING him for sex." I could easily reply to them, "you're just USING him for emotional security and a sense of self-worth." We're all using each other for something; the question is -- are we hurting each other?While Cetacean's point of possible behavior changes is at least a reasonable rebuttal, I don't think it flies. I've seen enough dogs come and hump my leg that I don't think that every dog owner out there is having sex with their dog. If leg-humping is a normal behavior for an un-neutered male dog, I can't see how having sex with the dog is likely to significantly alter his behavior. All I can see that it will do, frankly, is give poor poochie a chance -- for probably the only time in his life -- to have full, mind-blowing sex, completely with orgasm and not involving a denim-clad leg. I still have a hard time finding the harm there!Of course, you should never harm the animal. Of course, you should never force the animal. Abuse is always wrong. Rape is always wrong (no matter what species). But above and beyond that, I really have a hard time seeing the harm.Well there it is -- long winded, but you asked. Obviously this is something I've thought a lot about.
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