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Hi. I recently have had a nieghbor move in about 2 blocks up from my place, we live in the country and he has made the property he bought into a horse farm.I am doing what is commonly referred to as "fence hopping" - going onto other's property to have sex with an animal.Last night I dressed all in black and snuck into the field, the horses are kind of jumpy but I slowly gained thier trust while balancing stealth (kind of hard).I gained immense trust from the stallion of the group (it looks like he's the leader, I spent a few hours out there studying) and he was playing with me and he was a sweet heart. I then goto a mare and gain her trust, rubbing her and being nice. I then preceeded to rub her vagina and insert a finger, gently massaging her and making sure I wouldn't get kicked.The mare lifted her tail, urinated, sniffed the air and flexed her vagina -- all signs that she is horny, trouble was I couldn't reach her vagina to f*** her she was too high for me, and she moved around alot.So any fence hoppers out there with some advice? I'm gonna bring a step ladder tonight and hope to get lucky.I hope you liked my story, please post tips/comments and experiances you have had with fence hopping.
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one tip for you.... don't get caught! (duh!)seriously that would really suck
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Also, bring a bucket. A step ladder is a lot harder to run with, and a bigger loss if left behind. Not that I endorse fence hopping , although I've certainly done it many times. It just depends on the situation, like how close to people you are, roads, dogs, the way the animals are, etc...
i woudend even be so brave to go on someone elses ground....the idea with the bucket sound good - my thought was also that a ladder is to ... hmm how to sey it in english ...Uhhm ...Ok i try:If you are caught with a ladder there will be stupid questions - with a bucket walking on a place with horses you cann still say something about a projekt with insects in horse poo which only life at night or so ...Something stupid but it would sound stupider to explain what to do qith a ladder at night thre ...
First sorry for 2 threads, I asked a mod to delete one because I found the right forum for this.I like the ideas I was given, A bucket and a milk crate as a boost. I would need to spray it with black paint though for added stealth.Also I wanted to mention I am going to do this whether you approve or not so mine aswell fess up and help each other not get caught.I don't hurt the horses at all and infact the last 2 times Ive gone over there I only played around with them/fingerd a mare which enjoyed it.Thanks everyone!
Ehmm...Fencehopping.Well, forbiden love is what I call it.How would you like it when another zoo would go and take it on with your beloved mare?"What one doesn't know, doesn't hurt."Well perhaps.But it is still someone elses property and horse!So I pray that you don't get caught one day.For the rest I can only agree with the tips as given above!
Well josh2xx, I wish you luck, as you have worked up more nerve than I have. As I also live in a country area, with horse farms in every direction within short walking distance, and a couple fairly huge ones. I just have not tryed it myself, but it has crossed my mind many of times. Anyways.. really don't think you could hurt the horse.. as you are the one in more danger of getting hurt, as it is at night, and equines spook fairly easily. So best of luck, and hope you succeed.BTW... seeing the title "Fence Hoppers Unite" gave me quite a laugh for some reason, good name for this. =^.^=
Part of the thrill to me is the getting caught part, sneaking/stealth is a rush and it makes you feel alive.. and when I'm that mare tonight I think it will be worth it. Thats all I can really think of doing though, no dogs or anything and going to the ranch in the day time doesn't make any sense.I feel really confident I can get away with this for quite awhile, the people that live there are old and goto bed early -- last night I stayed for a couple hours!
Hehe, well most the places around me are the large farms where they hold them for other people. One would believe from the size of some of the places around here they'd have some type of security... I'd rather not find out the hard way.. and go climbing over the fence and landing on an eletrical one -OUCH-. I might try, an old friends grandfather lives really close who has a few ponies, so I might work up the nerve and try there. But yeah, there is a rush with sneaking around when there is a chance of getting caught. You should sky diving if you love a rush
Update: Tonight I fence hopped, no problem with stealth. Got in, the horses knew me so was easy to approach them, I actually rode the stallion for shits and giggles. Tried to do it with mare, she kept moving though so I got frustrated and left. I lost my ladder (painted black) because I couldn't find it in the dark.. yes I guess that was stupid of me. I'm probly not going to do this again, maybe I'll go back and ride the horse though just not with my penis
All I know is, if I wasnt home or not around, and someone decided they weregoing to sneak onto my property and f*ck one of my dogs, I would mostcertainly be pissed off. That person would definitly be at risk of getting a bullet inhis ass if I ever caught them. Sneaking onto someone elses property and taking advantage of their animals isnot right and is a good way to get yourself shot, or worse caught, and humiliated.You should get an animal of your own and leave other peoples alone. You couldalways hook up with someone who is willing to share with you. That would be muchmore appropiate.
I'm not trying to put anyone down here but I don't really understand why one would fence hop. Why not get involved with horses the "normal" way, like taking riding lessons or volunteering to help at a stable? I can understand there may be fear involved. No one knew I had any interest in horses until about 4 years ago. I shocked my parents when I told them I was taking riding lessons. Not in a bad way, they were very happy for me that I was going out and doing something interesting with my life and meeting new people. They were just surprised that I had any interest in horses because I had never shown any before.I never told anyone I liked horses because I was afraid they would discover my true feelings for them and just how much I love them. But this hasn't been the case. No one ever thinks of the possibility of sexual attraction unless you get caught doing something highly unusual to make them think that. But if you lay low and establish rapport with horse and stable owners, there's no need to fence hop. You'll be around the horses for a legitimate reason and you can have a more relaxed relationship with them. I've been invited to help out at several places and I've had many opportunities to be with the animals. And I've gained a lot of respect in the local horse community. The best thing is, you'll eventually be able to buy your own horse. I could've done this a long time ago but my previous job made my life too unstable to own a horse. I've been leasing horses up to this point. I hope to buy my own horse within the next year.So why fence hop? Is it just because of the thrill involved or you just can't wait to have sex?
This has gotten stupid. If you disapprove then leave; QUOTE Also I wanted to mention I am going to do this whether you approve or not so mine aswell fess up and help each other not get caught. just incase you didn't read all the posts.1. I don't care what you would do if you caught me, it's irrelevant.2. I'm good at stealth, wouldn't do it if I thought I was going to get caught.Now, if you have any fence hopping related talk I'd like to hear it.
QUOTE (josh2xx @ Sep 3 2005, 07:54 AM) This has gotten stupid. If you disapprove then leave; QUOTE Also I wanted to mention I am going to do this whether you approve or not so mine aswell fess up and help each other not get caught. just incase you didn't read all the posts.1. I don't care what you would do if you caught me, it's irrelevant.2. I'm good at stealth, wouldn't do it if I thought I was going to get caught.Now, if you have any fence hopping related talk I'd like to hear it. I disapprove.........And, I am not leaving. This is an open forum, when you post, expect opinions that differ from your own. You have no right to tell someone who disagrees with you to leave
QUOTE (josh2xx @ Sep 3 2005, 02:54 PM) 2. I'm good at stealth, wouldn't do it if I thought I was going to get caught. That's what everybody says until they're spotted pants down behind a mare. Look, you can be ever so stealthy - there's no garuantee you'll never be spotted. You wouldn't be the first person to get caught. You already lost your ladder in the field; smart. That alone could make someone suspicious enough to stay up at night to see what's going on. If you're spotted and caught - then you've got a problem, one moment can ruin the rest of your life. If you're spotted and not caught, you could cause many sleepless nights for animal owners in your community - especially that of the person's property you trespassed on.
Fence hopping. Never done it... never will. To me fence hopping is the exact same as breaking and entering. In fact... it is. Becouse if you get cought, you won't only be charged with animal cruelty, but also with breaking and entering.People doing this obviously do this strictly for the sex and in some way this is close to rape. Sure, the horse doesn't kick you to the other side of the stable, so everything is fine. But would you break into the house of that fine blonde you spotted at the mall and just have sex with her? You wouldn't? So why do it to a horse then?
QUOTE (josh2xx @ Sep 3 2005, 05:44 AM) I lost my ladder (painted black) because I couldn't find it in the dark.. yes I guess that was stupid of me. You left evidence...abort that idea forever.Funny story...I hopped the fence once when I was a teen, while walking up to the horse I noticed someone was there, we noticed each other at the same time. The other guy thought I was the owner and said he was looking for his dog...and ran off. That spooked me forever. As much as I want to do it again, I have too much too loose. People in my town would think of me as an animal rapist...
Heh, sounds like he was up to the exact same you were .
I must say alot of replies here don't make sense to me as I don't want your parental advice, but anyway I am probly not going to go there again for awhile as I want to lay low.
QUOTE (josh2xx @ Sep 2 2005, 03:00 PM)I am doing what is commonly referred to as "fence hopping" - going onto other's property to have sex with an animal.Saying that I also disapprove would not even begin to describe how I feel about it..... and and...I really would like to ask how YOU would feel is some stranger came on to your porperty and try to have sex with one of your animals (or for any other reason), but from what I can read from your posts so far, seems you may not care much about these horses other than something to have sex with. You already showed us that you don't have a problem about trespassing on someones property so you can do anything you want.QUOTE 1. I don't care what you would do if you caught me, it's irrelevant.2. I'm good at stealth, wouldn't do it if I thought I was going to get caught.If I caught you trespassing on the farm, beleive me you would care. And if someone was trespassing, I would immediatly know about it. You are good at stealth? I know exactly how I leave all my equipment and the condition of my horses, so if someone was doing anything around my stable or to any of horses I take care of, I will know about it. And there is a good chance that you would not even have a clue you were found out until your next little night-trip when you find someone waiting for you.I will tell you what a fence-hopper did once, and why I am posting all of this. One night while someone was trespassing on the farm I worked at, they did not properly close and latch some of the gates to the turnout fields they passed through. That same night several horses got loose. One ended up with a very bad bowed tendon and needed surgery to save the horses life. That one was a 9 year old palomino pony that a 12 year old jr. member of the club owned and ridden for over three years....that pony was her best friend and because of some ing stranger felt like they can just sneak around the farm to play with the horses, that jr. member and her family had to make a decision to either spend months of rehab and thousands of dollars to save their pony or to have the animal euthanized. The pony was saved but that jr. member never could ride the animal in shows again and it was almost a year later before she could even do trail rides with that animal.Seeing what happened to that pony and what it did to that girl who loved her animal soo much, if I did find that person, I would kill that You also posted that you lost your little ladder in the turnout? That ladder itself could injure a horse that got a leg through it while running in the field, in the dark...that alone tells me how much you really care about these horses, just leaving something like that in their turnout.You are looking for some advice on fence hopping, here is mine....DON'T TRY IT AGAIN.Otherwise you may find yourself in the hospital one day with your nuts kicked in, trying to explain to the doctor why you have a hoof-shaped bruise in your groin area!------------I really would like to apologize to everyone else here for going off, but I just had to post this.
He's right you know. I'm not into horses at all, never worked with them or anything but I know plenty of people who taught me stuff about them. Fastest way to get yourself killed is to attempt sex with a horse you don't know and who doesn't want it.I didn't want to say this in my earlier post becouse I hate judging people I don't know. But since hambletonian already did that for me, I can savely say I agree with him 100%. QUOTE I must say alot of replies here don't make sense to me as I don't want your parental adviceIf your so ignorant to ignore the opinion of people who know what they are talking about just shows you indeed don't give a shit about the horses or their owners. All you are looking for is an alternative to your right hand. If you want the suspence of the risk of getting caught while having sex, go to Las Vegas and visit a street hooker.QUOTE but anyway I am probly not going to go there again for awhile as I want to lay low.You want to lay low? You know what I realy don't understand? You know what you do is wrong, you know that the owner doesn't like it and you know that if you get caught you'l be in a shit load of trouble or even get killed. Yet you continue to do it.It's people like you that give zoophilia a bad name... even tho I don't think I can call you a zoophile. You are by definition, not by prejudgement, an animal rapist.
I'm with the rest of you on this.josh2xx - as others have asked, would you like it if someone went onto your property and had sex with your animals? I don't think so. And if you are going to fence hop, make sure you don't leave evidence (ie - your ladder)I agree with you TheTiger on your last line, although harsh, it's true.hambletonian, i'm sorry to hear what happened when you worked on that farm. But i'm glad the horse was saved.
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QUOTE (josh2xx @ Sep 4 2005, 12:33 AM) I must say alot of replies here don't make sense to me as I don't want your parental advice, but anyway I am probly not going to go there again for awhile as I want to lay low. you don't understand English maybe Pick_7 has CLEARLY explained to you that no one is exempt from replying with thier feelings experiences and opinions in the thread - if you didn't want to hear the reverse side -then you shouldn't have opened pandora's preverbial box here -this is your LAST warning - make another inappropriate reply and I will cut off your tongue apparently you to need to mature in MANY areas
I have to agree with everyone that said it is a bad idea and for several reasons.1. Those horses that you are messing with could be multi-million dollar horses.Now whilst you may think, 'why would someone have expensive horses out here?' Racehorses, quality dressage horses and resting studs are quite often put in fields to spell (rest from their competative season) and heal. Those horses that you could be playing with could be worth more than you could earn in your lifetime (For those who do watch the Arabian sales, one Polish Arabian went for AU$512,144 in August 2004 from the Janow Podlaski stud).2. Even a person skilled in reading horses doesn't check on them at night, even with a torch and a good moon unless it's necessary.Now I'm not going to deny it, horses are dangerous. They're usually about 450-500kg and they have hooves, teeth and heads and they do use them to communicate points very precisely (I've been bitten on the leg by a horse and I know quite well how much it hurts). Even with a torch, it's hard to see and hear horses at night and I stay close to the fence so I can jump over if I feel threatened by a horse at night. At night, horses are jumpier and more likely to strike out in fear. If something does spook the horses whilst you're around, you could get kicked and/or trampled.3. What one would do, others would probably do to.Those people who have sex with horses, I don't have anything against if it's their own horses, I will personally turn a blind eye or ask questions to further my studies into equine sexuality. Whilst I will perform studies that are sexually related to my mares (no personal sexual contact, I need RSPCA approval for the studies I want to do), I would not condone others having sex with my horses, be they stallion or mare and whilst my actions would seem extreme, I treat all horses like my family (and I'd personally prefer to meet those that want to be one of my mare's BFs, purely so I can say NO to them) and should I catch anyone doing something like that, I will shoot to maime, be it a minor injury or something more permanent. This may seem a bit severe, but when you hear stories about bad zoos that put out ciggarettes on the rumps of hobbled mares that a group is gang raping, I do not feel I have time to get to know this person before the bullet makes contact. I appologise if I do sound aggressive, but I do have a very, very strong connection with horses and I hate to see horses abused.My understanding is that zoos that do have sexual relations with their horses have spent years getting to know and understand their horses and they know their signals very well. The random mare you see in the field may not even like human related sexual contact. Sometimes mares just want the stallion that's teasing her to get his job done.I do appologise again if I do sound aggresive on the subject, I respect horses heavily
QUOTE (Horse_shrink @ Sep 4 2005, 10:57 AM)My understanding is that zoos that do have sexual relations with their horses have spent years getting to know and understand their horses and they know their signals very well.I can not agree with you more. My Muffin mare has been a big part of my life for almost 17 years....and yes, we do know each other very well. But thinking back, Muffin probably knew exactly who I was (a Zoo') from the very first day we met, long before I realized it myself.
Eh fence hoping seems a little bit to riskey for my blood. I'll wait till I get animals of my own that are intrested in sex, but if you must do it I guess it's better if you don't get your self caught or bullet in your bum. I've read in aomw places that dark green is a harder color to spot in the dark. I guess it has to do with black standing out on black. I'm not sure.
I will admit that I have fence-hopped a couple of times for a horse, well, gelding.Every time i ever saw him when i drove by he was in the field - pouring with rain,winter etc. Made me feel sorry for him and, being somewhat of a lonely guy backthen i went there a few times just to talk to him and make friends.One time i did go into the field because i didn't see him and then saw this shapecoming towards me rather fast. Climbed back over the fence, rather scared,and the horse just stopped at the fence, nickered and wanted to be petted.But, having said that, i respect other peoples animals and won't do anythingbeyond pet them unless the owner knows and trusts me, and says i shouldlet the dog have his fun.
I belive this to be my first post. I have lurked here for a while, and felt moved to reply.A couple notes.Leaving any item at all behind does two things. First, it leaves a clue as to a persons intent. IE "what would a person need a ladder for way out here in the pasture"? Secondly, unless you were wearing gloves to handle the ladder during, and since its purchase, you have left most likely a complete set of fingerprints. As a secondary note, to the best of my knowledge, most ladders are either yellow, orange, or a polished/brushed finish. The latter being the most common. This also points to: What would a person need with a black ladder out here? They would not recognize it as belonging to themselves, and could reasonably assume the color was for blending at night.Also, for night concealment, either woodland camo, or night/desert is usually preferable to black, as even in darkness, black creates an outline. (Unless you're in total darkness, and then color is irrelevant anyway) With the availability of NVD's (night vision devices) they are now affordable to almost everyone. Your camo will not do very well since your eyes will glow very prominantly regardless. Take the word of an accomplished marksman with above-mentioned equipment. Finally, consider this: There are states that allow a trespasser to be shot without question or hesitation. Not for any offence other than trespassing itself. In a state where this is acceptable, consider the police call. Person trespassing at night, wearing black, carrying/using black ladder (painted) with, or without pants around ankles, lying dead, shot by homeowner. It could be used for the assumed sexual activity with the horses, or possibly to gain access to the residence. Either way, end result is the same: Trespasser dead, homeowner rightfully defending his/her property. Because the speed of a rifle round is greater than the speed of sound, the target will not even be able to hear the report of the rifle.Very serious recommendation. Unless you truely do not value your existence, please find other sources for sexual activity and excitement.If you have animal relations as your life choice/destiny, then by all means: Decide what animal you prefer. Work to make it reality. Of course, then there is no excitement in possibly being caught, but then there is excitement in being able to have "unlimited play" that is well worth all efforts.
just going to drop my two centsI personal have had expernace of a fench hopper on a non zoo's friends farmThese fu wits decided it would be fun to fist the mare with there dirty hand's and they probably used a implament aswell. Hence 3 days later my pal lost a great mare and its unborn foal to blood posing.How do we no it was a fench hopper 2 days later another local mare had to be shot as some twa had ruptured its internal organs by using a broom handel as a fliping didloI no that the vast majoiry of fench hoppers are zoo lovers i am afied that if i ever see any one at the back of one of my ladies at night as i do check on them at least once during the night then god help me i shall not be held responsable for my acctions
QUOTE (skin2 @ Sep 6 2005, 05:45 AM)I personal have had expernace of a fench hopper on a non zoo's friends farmThese fu wits decided it would be fun to fist the mare with there dirty hand's and they probably used a implament aswell. Hence 3 days later my pal lost a great mare and its unborn foal to blood posing.How do we no it was a fench hopper 2 days later another local mare had to be shot as some twa had ruptured its internal organs by using a broom handel as a fliping didloI am very sorry to hear about this and it really hurts me to know there are people out there that would do anything like that! Maybe, just maybe this is the BIG reason that many of the bestiality laws were created. When stuff like this happens and gets in the local news, I can see why most in the public would place anyone having sex with animals in the same category as animal cruelty, and also group this with things like rape, child porn and the like.....fence hopping, not good!
Wow, lots of replies to an amazing subject. used to do it all the time growing up, but i knew the animals well as i was always around them so did not in any event feel that i was doing anything wrong. knew the owners as well and during the day if they saw me in the fields with them it was no big deal,, of course did all the real work at night or in the barns... no problem with the dogs as well as they all knew me too. guess a different senario i suppose, but did it all the time and never felt unsafe or threatened at all. Of course was always very very cautious as getting caught in the act was formost in my mind. Again, pleasureing ones self with someone elses animal would not be considered a good thing at all, but it seems my experience was different as i knew them for the most part and it was no big deal for the owners on either side of me. I always worked for free around their places and looked after them while they were away... Good trade i thought ! Cheers.
I don't really know what I would do if I caught a stranger having sex with one of my horses or one of the horses on my operation. If they were doing something sadistic, I would do everything in my power to get them arrested. If it was really horrible, I might even try to shoot them if I could. If they were having sex with one of the horses and the horse looked OK with it then I don't know. I would probably try to get a good look at him to see if I knew him. I might try to follow him to see where he lives if I could (I did this with a tresspasser once). I think at the very least I would confront him and say to never come back. If it was one of those who worked on my operation and and the horses looked OK with what he was doing then my biggest concern would be making sure he was'nt having sex with the same horses that I was. I don't know how I would deal with that! I hope I never have to.I guess for me what it comes down to would depend on the situation that I caught a fencehopper in. There is a very real chance that I would stand there with my mouth open like an idiot completly dumbfounded on what to do next.If you have to fencehop then be extremely careful and gentle with the horses you try to have sex with. I would look easier on a fencehopper if I knew he was this way.
My good friend who I lease a horse from and who owns the stable told a story once about a fence hopper who was visiting her place. The guy's actions might have gone unnoticed if he hadn't been leaving the mares tied to the fence. This prompted the mares owner to hide out all night long and wait for the fence hopper. And he caught the guy- chased him down the road and tackled him. Then he turned him in to the police. I remember that he was prosecuted but don't remember what the punishment was.
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that kinda proves you have to be smart to fence hop lolas for my views on it i have done it many many many times but only with animals that i know i will have alot of contact with, so it isnt just like a one night stand. i also agree with leasing a horse as a way to get close to them, that is kinda how i started out.it works but be careful not to get caught..... i did and the riding instructors kicked me out ..... oh well lol i bought my own horse after that
QUOTE (Stripes @ Sep 7 2005, 06:03 AM) that kinda proves you have to be smart to fence hop lolas for my views on it i have done it many many many times but only with animals that i know i will have alot of contact with, so it isnt just like a one night stand. i also agree with leasing a horse as a way to get close to them, that is kinda how i started out.it works but be careful not to get caught..... i did and the riding instructors kicked me out ..... oh well lol i bought my own horse after that Stripes,So you got caught by your riding instructor? How long had you been taking lessons? I've known my riding teacher for a few years now and have become great friends with her. Don't know what she'd do if she caught me but I'm not going to find out. Did they report you to the police or did they just politely ask you to leave?
Oh if I ever got caught with my Muffin mare, the stable where I currently board her would probably kick both of us out. But that may be a good thing in the long run...hardly have any "quality" time with my where I keep here now.
i was actually caught by a number of people doing zooish stuff but never really got caught having intercourse. they basically shunned me until i left .... and kinda told my parents what they suspected was going on it sucked. oh and i had trained with those instructors for about 2 and a half years.
QUOTE (Stripes @ Sep 7 2005, 05:13 PM) and kinda told my parents what they suspected was going on it sucked. oh and i had trained with those instructors for about 2 and a half years. PLEASE tell us all that your of legal age and that your not sharing underage experiences....
yes i am of legal age (20).... i live with my parents when i am not at the university
Hello! ok this post is a few days old now, but i would like to say something about fencehopping if i had the possibility to have my own horse or i lived in a rural area where i knew all the farmers and could easily work there for free or whatever, of course i would not think about fencehopping! but i live in a big city and i dont have the money to lease a horse or buy one! and so my only chances are to get to the suburban pastures and try my luck! - but i always think that if the mares like it and i do, there was no reason for feeling guilty about that! why should i stop it just because all of those non-pet-lovers? ok if someone might get jealous, because i try to f*** the same mare he/she does it is a different story - but i dont really think we have many of this people here... if you want to read about an example (my last fence-hop-action) please read the post "first time real sex" - and please tell me what you think about it!!!
It's not the fence hopping itself (well, it is partialy) but it's more the reason and motive that lies behind the obvious reason; Sex.There are two kinds of people that can fence hop. Animal rapists and zoo's. Big diffrence is that a zoo would never ever force anything on a horse. If it doesn't want to, a zoo will go and come back some other time hoping to have some more luck then.An animal rapist however does what he wants to anyway, even if the horse doesn't want to. Smart one's then avoid being kicked to the other side of the shed by carying a sedation drug or whatever, other get pwned by the horse or the owner... or both. But even if the horse does allow these people to do what they want, then that still doesn't mean the person cares about the animal. The guy who started this topic for instance. He's anything but a zoo, as he seemed to care more about his ladder then the horse he had sex with.Further more, as someone els pointed out earlier; It might be very valuable horses you might be messing with. Your random guy wouldn't know that, but a zoo would at least do some 'research' in the horses your meeting at night. Maybe know them personal as a rider or caretaker. As said; a zoo is a lot more carefull when it comes to loving a horse. Your avarage Joe couldn't care less if one of the animals he had sex with dies of an infection later on that night. And why would he? He had his pussy, and there are plenty more horses in that barn anyway.It's people like that that give zoophilia a bad name, becouse they have the guts to call themselves a zoophile when they get caught and dragging the rest of us along into the 'zoophile is animal rapist' pit that society seemed to have dug for us. After reading that story of yours, I don't think you belong in the category of animal rapist. I don't approve of the fence hopping, mind you, but at least you seemed to care about what you did with the mare. I also hope that you would have had the decentcy to stop if she didn't want to.Well, enough of my ranting. I hope certain people make a valuable lesson out of this however.
I’m not directly against fence hopping myself, as there is really no way to stop someone who truly wants to take the risk and give it a try. I have not done it before, but I could easily do so, as in all directions of me there are stables within a couple minutes of walking distance. But would I ever, probably not, but is nice to have as a fantasy. Like others, I live with my parents, and I can’t own a pet/companion of my own such as an equine of any breed. I’m nearly 20 years of age; I pay for my college courses and several other bills such as insurance. I can see why people do fence hopping, as most are in the situation such as I, and are quite tight on money and time (let alone location as well). Now yes, I can easily go work at one of these places, and I would gladly do it for free just to be around the animals and possibly some ridding lessons in return. One of my good friends Grandmother owns a large stable within a 5-minute drive from me, and I could easily get in a position to be around them. But time wise, I work full time around 30 – 45 hours a week, then plus my college course which I am taking 12 credit hours right now. If it weren’t for such a busy and stressful life at the moment, I would be over there in a heartbeat to volunteer some time each week. I do feel that is one reason, for some, which I’m sure is about half of them. But from what I read earlier in this thread, some deaths occurring from a fence hopper, which is just down right sad is completely uncalled-for, and I do not support harming the animal, basically some people don’t think before they act. And the one about the Broom Stick being used as a masturbator on a mare, I sure hope those people who were responsible for such a thing pay the piper, it’s as they say, “What goes around comes around,” I am a strong believer on that, and am sure they will get their punishment soon enough if they have not yet. <--
Trespassing, Molesting someone's Animals and or Pets.......Hot Lead Poisoning with a Colt 45.Aim.....Fire.....Shoot to Kill.Want to have sex with a horse....Get Your Own !I usaully say Woof woof ! But to this guy I say....Grrrrowl. Bite your balls off and feed them to the pigs.Fu ing tresspassers.
Easy there doggy.
ok - sorry - i posted without reading everything posted before in this thread... And i just want to say, that i agree with all you others who think that many fence-hoppers are bad, selfish people - and i also hate them for forcing animals to have sex or just for beeing careless towards them! i consider myself as a zoophile in that way that i love animals! and all i said to justify fence-hopping before is only true if you imagine the situation of a thinking and feeling human acting!!!
You fence hop into a field, in the dark, with several horses around you, there is a good chance you are gonna get hurt one day (er, night)....and it could be real bad. And if you have no experience working around horses in the first place, then you probably do not even have a clue what really could happen to you!Say there is a mare you "think" really likes you after a few night visits. You both are in the middle of doing it when another horse in the field walks over to check out whats going on. Now this mare is the "boss" horse, and gives the other that look with ears pinned back that says "keep away", but that horse gets even closer. Next thing you know, that mare decides to try and kick out at that horse...and guess who really gets kicked, huh, wanna guess? It could happen that fast.I have been working around horses for over 34 years and even with all that experience, there is always a chance that something could happen. I got injured yesterday working in my aisle with one of the small school ponies. Was trimming that ponies ears when suddenly he started to backup, which then pulled out one of the crossties from the wall, which then flew back and hit that animal right in the face. At that moment the pony quickly turned around and kicked out at me. I tried to move away but got one good kick on the back side of my right leg just above the knee.If you want to see what a single kick from a small pony (that does not even wear horseshoes in the back) can do to you, check out the attached photo of what it did to me.....now think what would happen with a 16+hand horse wearing horseshoes.I am posting this picture as a "warning" to all these fence hoppers on what could happen to YOU!I do have some good news about this...my barn gave me the next few days off, with pay! ....
I hope your gonna be ok pall. Let this be a lesson to all of you!! Well at least you get payed right?
I cannot believe the nerve of some of these people. But where I live its pretty common. One guy where I work was arrested for it, never would have guessed it either he was a harly dude. But the point is he was caught, it spread thru work the guy was so humiliated that he quit. But that wasnt enoogh of a deterrent, there is a manager who was caught several times with a cow, his wife and children were humiliated, they got a divorce and the wife and kids had to move. People need to think about what they are doing.
Ham, thanks for the warning. Sorry to hear about the accident.
ok ok. thank you for the warning - i know u ment well with me. i dont want to say this as an excuse, but i worked for one and a half year at a pony-riding-farm when i was a teen (at that time i was not that active and didnt even know what zoophile means). but its still a dilemma: after experiencing so many beautyful moments (spending so many nights ) i would have to stop all actions of the "beastiality-type" if i tried stopping fence-hop! could you? as i said before: i have no other possibility to "get closer" with an animal, because i dont have pets (and cant right now) and i dont know any people (in this city) who have pets where i could go and be alone whith them or whatever...i once had a friend who let me strike his dogs cock - but he moved away and the dog was castrated (right word?) because of cancer (poor boy).
QUOTE (jezzabelle @ Sep 3 2005, 07:06 AM) All I know is, if I wasnt home or not around, and someone decided they weregoing to sneak onto my property and f*ck one of my dogs, I would mostcertainly be pissed off. That person would definitly be at risk of getting a bullet inhis ass if I ever caught them. Sneaking onto someone elses property and taking advantage of their animals isnot right and is a good way to get yourself shot, or worse caught, and humiliated.You should get an animal of your own and leave other peoples alone. You couldalways hook up with someone who is willing to share with you. That would be muchmore appropiate. I agree with you. It needs to be repeated. I don't think he (or other fence hoppers) will ever want to get what you're saying, though.
QUOTE (ConsensualOnly @ Sep 11 2005, 11:39 PM)QUOTE (jezzabelle @ Sep 3 2005, 07:06 AM) All I know is, if I wasnt home or not around, and someone decided they weregoing to sneak onto my property and f*ck one of my dogs, I would mostcertainly be pissed off. That person would definitly be at risk of getting a bullet inhis ass if I ever caught them. Sneaking onto someone elses property and taking advantage of their animals isnot right and is a good way to get yourself shot, or worse caught, and humiliated.You should get an animal of your own and leave other peoples alone. You couldalways hook up with someone who is willing to share with you. That would be muchmore appropiate. I agree with you. It needs to be repeated. I don't think he (or other fence hoppers) will ever want to get what you're saying, though.This is looking an awful lot like a one-sided argument because contradicting it at all makes you look like a monster, and I can sort of see why the poster was so defensive about it. Just saying "if you cared, you wouldn't do it!" isn't answering much. It's too simplified. What about anyone that can't own animals, due to expense, age, time constraints, etc? Ask someone to share? That's not exactly a casual question to pose to someone, rude at the very least, and the response I've seen to it is pretty hostile most of the time. I do have to say that responses like skin2 and hambletonian's warning are what I think *should* be filling this thread. Not, "I'd gladly shoot you for trying it", how about emphasizing the fact that there's so many stories of abusive night visitors that owners aren't going to take any chances? Fence-hopping is somewhat intrusive and disruptive, but flat out dismissing it isn't giving an answer. Explain that it's incredibly risky and why, or tell people like this to get to know and understand their critters better before trying anything. So, my advice after being threatened and harassed by alpha mares: Meet with them from the other side of the fence FIRST. In the daytime if possible. Hardly any owners will begrudge a passerby from petting the horses, and if they do you can be damn sure that they're unconditionally off-limits at night too. Get to know them, see who's who, find out which ones are friendly. If they don't come over to meet you at the fence, later on you'd just be trespassing on the owner *and* the horses.
ok, i can honestly see both sides of this.........just 1 week before i got into the military, i finally gave in to the fact that I AM A ZOO! (i was in denial all my life tell that point)any way, in the military, you spend more time away from home then at it (depending on what branch you are in, and world events) this combined with the fact that you move about every year, almost always live on base, and have a rather small income, leads to the inevitable fact that i can not own a horse at this time however, i have never, and will never go and get it on with some one else’s horses :edit(with out permission first) for many reasons, most have already been mentioned. There is one factor that has yet to be brought up though. What if the owner of that animal is a zoo too........ a zoo with.........say an STD. now say you get it on with his favorite animal that he just serviced earlier that day..... the 2nd thing i want to make clear, even though i will probably not be able to get myself a mare for a period of 8 YEARS or MORE, if and when i do, i will protect it with my life....... just like any of my buddies now........now on the other hand, if some one suspects that i am a zoo, and they are a zoo too...... and ask if they can spend some time with my mare, i would probably let them......that is after i get to know them better. (I would probably make them where a rubber though) however, if any one comes with out permission, like one of the earlier posters, i am VERRY familiar with fire arms, and will not hesitate to use them. i don’t mean to threaten any of you, i am just trying to explain how i feel about this....to get any fence hopers to understand where people are coming from. If I can control myself for that long, im sure you can at least hold off long enough to find a more sensible option.
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Like many others ive worked with/around horses for awhile, and yes, ive spent my share of evenings with them both sexually and otherwise. I owned a stallion, and due to my work hours would go riding at night quite often, thus it wasnt uncommon for my car to be parked out by the barn/pasture long after the owners of the stables were asleep. Until i could get him gelded 9that sucked by the way, barn rules though) he had to remain in the stall. Well there were mares on all sides and needless to say the sexual tension in the barn was pretty think between him and the mares. So, one evening i decided that the mare i'd been cleaning up after next to him (got a cut on the boarding rate by doing chores for full boarders) was showing all the right signals, and yes, i responded in kind.So in that way i fencehopped. I dont try to justify it, it happened and thats all there is to it. The only thing i will say is this, never once did i consider tying her up or forcing anything upon her, nor was it simply for the sex, as we had a great relationship for years afterwards with NO sex at all. Though me and my horse played often.I dont believe in trespassing on someone elses property just to get your rocks off with thier horses because you dont have the time/desire/whathaveyou to get a horse of your own, you mentioned the "thrill" well based on that one statement you in my opinion qualify for placement in the catagory of the ignorant fools who cause more harm to both the animals involved (i.e. you LEFT a black painted ladder in a pasture full of horses) and this lifestyle as a whole. Unlike the others who warned you to be careful lest you get caught, i for one wish the horses owners luck in catching you before you hurt one of the horses you obviously care so little about.Id dearly love to spend that type of quality time with a horse again, but until i can once again get my own, ill due without.Guns
I'd say I have to agree with most of the members who have replied to this post. Fence hopping in general is just not a good idea. Find another way. If you truly care about these animals, and care about their safety or your own, you won't risk it, plain and simple.
Did any of you folks stop to consider how much an animal costs? $800-$1200 then another 300 bucks minimum for feed, small barn, $2000, and land to keep the animal. And that's cheaper than a woman. Lets face it, not one in a million of us will ever be so lucky as to have a woman who shares our interests. A mare doesn't ask where you've been, or demand you visit a mother in law. There's a lot of fun in sneaking a free bee at night. The risk makes it fun. The owner isn't banging his own animals, so basicly, you're the one and only. You and the mare have a little evening fun, no one gets hurt. Horses are expensive to keep, and lets face it, most of us can't afford one or have a place to keep one. I'm not going to marry her, only enjoy an evening interlude. That's not at all unlike the human race. FENCE HOPPERS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He who hasn't fenced hopped before may cast the first stone.Well not the best phrase. Anyway Fence hopping is bad. I have been guilty of it as well but I do know this. Everytime I did it I felt bad like it haunted me for a while. I have a deep connection when around animals. Generally I just like to walk up and hug and caress with usually no intention of sex. I have not been kicked but I did know the danger. Here is one major reason you should consider. A lot of newer technology is available to these horse farms/owners. These are digital camers. They are tiny now and can be placed just about anywhere. A lot of places are using them for security. Most people just do not want to get up at 2 am in the morning to find someone on the property. Now even worse they can now film you and if your in a state where its illegal then you get hit with not only trespassing but offered up on a list as a sex offender. Now picture this its plastered on the paper, your wife/girlfriend knows, your boss knows, now all those friends know. How could you live with that? To make things worse you would be watched when ever your near animals by those who know. Some have catagorized fence hoppers with Zoophiles and then Pedifiles. Despite that they are different. In their minds if your willing to risk breaking the law and having sex with an animal... well you get the idea. Where I live its labled as Beastiality. The law is vauge and I did a little research on it. I do not fence hop. Its been years since I have been with any animals. If I can deal with the lonly days then so can the rest. I really hate having to hide my zoo self from others. Now back to the cameras. I was caught tresspassing back when I did fence hop. This was a bad experience and I havn't done it since. The police said the owners had cameras. Mabe its a bluff or mabe its the truth. Are you willing to risk it? Animals have feelings similar to us. They do not know about laws or other silly things. They do know how you feel and what is basically going on. Rember they have senses that rival dogs! Yes they have exelent smelling ability. They can smell a mare in heat a great distance away. Humans give off smells to. horses will know when you are near and what mood your in. I once heard of a woman who would do equine massage therapy to a horse owner. When she showed up and got out of the car. They would come running in knowing she was there. They were a good distance away too. Wow just looked back and realized that I typed a bunch. Ok last thing. I can for about 100 bux go to the store and buy a night vision device. The horse owners can too. This means no matter what your wearing they can see you. There are some camreas that are sensitive to infrared. This invisible light will make it look like day. My word of advice is not to do it. Save your time and energy to obtaining a good education into ownership and get your own place. Then you will be able to be at peace knowing that you don't have to rush. You can develop a strong bond rather than a quickie. Your neighbors are your only resorce when you need things living out in the country. If you ruin that friendship and upset them they will not be very willing to help you out of a bad situtuation. Ok I think I wrote enought. heh I feel like writing a novel now. I hope this helps and sheads more light on the subject. We need more folks to be respectfull and represent us in better light. Epony -- The horse listener --
QUOTE (Epony @ Nov 23 2005, 11:30 AM) Ok last thing. I can for about 100 bux go to the store and buy a night vision device. The horse owners can too. This means no matter what your wearing they can see you. There are some camreas that are sensitive to infrared. This invisible light will make it look like day. err unless they are zoo - why would they suspect?????don't answer that here - think this is a good topic for a new thread
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I like to think that people can respect other people's property rights and not trespass. The amount of damage you can unknowingly do to someone's animals (and the damage they can inflict on you!) is immense.
IR night cameras are cheap. As are second generation night vision scopes for rifles. The INSTANT someone is suspicious that someone has been on their property at night (ESPECIALLY HORSE OWNERS), you'd better bet your ass that the person that lives there is thinking of a way to catch you or even kill you. Fencehopping is a thrill, no doubt, but it's not worth your freedom/life. You only have to be caught once.
Well, i have quite same kind experiences like Ham.Once got kicked by stallion right up from knee,it wasn't direct hit, hitted sideways and only with one hoof.That was lucky thing, bad was that i couldn't use stairs in a week.Couple months ago got hitted in my left arm up from elbow.I was scratching one of my black girls and suddenly i got hit in arm what wasintended to her, i falled right away in ground and that saved my life.Next round came immediately with both rear hoofs and would hit my back...About caring animals bring some results, 5 other girls came immediatelyto look out my condition and if i was ok.Taked several minutes to clear my head enough to get up.Getting in the car was really painfull holding my arm, almost passed out several times.Travelling in car to get caring was right from hell.Did have to travel horizontal in seat to avoid passing out.Lucky i did have driver that time.Arm was about couple weeks useless for hard work.Then there is several times that i have get stomped in my feets.Here is one preview, very lightly stomped from my girl.
The fact is...it's not your animal...xeseryd...so just because a horse costs a lot of money and you can't afford one that then give you all the right to claim "poor-boy" status and trespass all you want...I don't think so. And you are being a little rediculous on that pricing...my girlfriends family is dirt poor..and they have two cows, a horse, a donkey, and several dogs. Just because you are too impatient to care for an animal and to lazy to acquire the neccesities to have one does not give you the right to tresspass.Just because girl is pretty doesn't give you the right to go up and touch her breast...or start groping her. Take a cold shower why don't you.Muley you must not have animals of your own...because if you did you would understand the anger in some of these posts. I have two female sheps, if anyone decided they were gonna have a little quickie they'd have hell to pay from me. They'd be lucky if a hospital could treat them.Why are there such violent responses...because we're FREAKIN ZOO'S! We LOVE our animals like children, like a husband, like a wife. If any guy came up and just started feeling up my girlfriend he'd get the same wrath. And it woud be justified.Now let's say I had a buddy who felt like I do about animals and made an attempt to make a friendship with me and one of my dogs. If I saw him taking such actions I would be much less angry...though I would tell him mine are off limits. Because a relationship was established...I fence hopped too at one time...but my intentions were not to f*** and run....and after visiting this particular pasture for several weeks, I could hop over and visit with the alpha mare, the cut stallions, and walk amongst them with little stress to the animals.I didn't know anything about alpha mares and the what not. I just observed their behaviour and very carefully approached them. It took all of 5+ hours the first night to get them to allow me to walk amongst them..let along approach. You really can't just hop over...stresses 'em out...they are prey animals...they get freaked out easily at night...and they will retailiate...as seen in the pics...even if they do feel ok with you.Not once did I "fist" or anything more than petting...why? They weren't mine. I was there to enjoy their company...and to observe them.The fact is if you can't afford one...if you don't live in an area that allows them...these things DO NOT give you the right to tresspass and fool around with someone elses animal. Animals are not going to resist sexual acts like humans do. In fact it's very easy to get an animal to allow sexual acts. But it is not your animal...you have no right to it, if the owner is ok with it then fine but if not then their wishes must be respected. So I'm sure fence hoppers are gonna keep doing it and great....go ahead...don't expect and pitty from anyone when you get trampled or your face to face with a shotgun...even non zoos are very affectionate and protective of their pets...and a zoo is prolly gonna be even more so protective...cause it's not just a pet. I know I am.
Hi Everyone,It's been a while since I have last posted. I am not a supporter of fence hopping but there have been some things said on this thread that I want to comment on since I last wrote.Some posters have written about how they would shoot any fence hopper they caught. To those people I have this to say. Would you really do that? It is one thing to talk about killing someone, it is another thing to do it.If you would shoot a fence hopper then how would you do it? Would try to shoot him as soon as you saw him in the dark while he is having sex with one of your horses, or would you get up close to shoot him and fire your loud gun really close to your horse? Or would you hold him at gun point and march him away and shoot him summary execution style? Would your conscience bother you afterward?I could'nt shoot a fence hopper if all he did was plop down a bucket and was humping one of my mares. Personally I don't know what I would do. Read my earlier post for more on that.
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the thing i find weird about this thread is that the consensus seems to be from other threads ive read that animals should not be used just for sex, and if they are it is very, very wrong.so it seems to me that "fence hopping" in and of itself would be an uncouth act towards the animal. Granted i guess, if the mare gets all hot and bothered it would stand that it would be ok to go ahead with it. But it seems if you're going to take the "animals shouldnt be used for sex" side of things, you really cant condone this guytruth of it is i wouldnt mind being mounted by any male doggie, i was just making an observation though.
QUOTE (offtopic @ Nov 29 2005, 12:37 AM) the thing i find weird about this thread is that the consensus seems to be from other threads ive read that animals should not be used just for sex, and if they are it is very, very wrong.so it seems to me that "fence hopping" in and of itself would be an uncouth act towards the animal. Granted i guess, if the mare gets all hot and bothered it would stand that it would be ok to go ahead with it. But it seems if you're going to take the "animals shouldnt be used for sex" side of things, you really cant condone this guytruth of it is i wouldnt mind being mounted by any male doggie, i was just making an observation though. I think what is being said is that sex with your animal we are fine with...but you can't just take someone elses animal. It's not your place, only if the owner/mate gives you permission.You don't have any right to fool with someone elses pet/lover...just your own, unless they've said you can.
QUOTE (dogshark2001 @ Nov 29 2005, 02:24 AM)I think what is being said is that sex with your animal we are fine with...but you can't just take someone elses animal. It's not your place, only if the owner/mate gives you permission.You don't have any right to fool with someone elses pet/loverAside from the legal issue of trespassing, what right does the owner have to deny the horse to choose his/her own mates?If you agree that an animal can consent to sexual contact to a person in the first place, how do you derive the right to deny the animal that choice?Perhaps by virtue of being the animals caregiver and therefore having to deal with any fallout from the contact. Perhaps via the same authority that a man can deny his daughter contact with men while she is living on his property.Anyway, while I can understand it, I'd have to say fencehopping crosses a number of legal an ethical lines. However, in a civil society violence against them is equally reprehensible.I've had contact with other's animals without the owners permission, but never while present illegally. A bit like shagging the daughter on the sly; little more than being disrespectful.
QUOTE (everest @ Nov 28 2005, 09:54 PM)Aside from the legal issue of trespassing, what right does the owner have to deny the horse to choose his/her own mates?If you agree that an animal can consent to sexual contact to a person in the first place, how do you derive the right to deny the animal that choice?Tell you what, if you ever get arrested for trespassing, just tell the "But the horse said I could come over!"
I have read every single response to the original post and will now give you my thoughts:Have I fence hopped in the past? DefinatelyWill I do it in the future? Not now, knowing the types of trouble I could get into and also the biggest fact is that I have matured emotionally and financially.I think that most all of us started having sex with someone else's animal. It may have been with stray dogs, like those posted in some of my earlier stories here or with a relatives dog or horse.When I was younger than I am now, I was absolutely the horniest kid in the town. I would have settled for any dog, any horse any tail, human or non human. I think back on those days and realize that's just who I was when growing up.I don't think that there is a need to physically hurt anyone that may have been caught with someone else's animal. We also need to realize that these people are also someones son, daughter, husband, wife, brother, sister father or mother. I would have been very willing to share my animal with someone that really needed to find out if he or she were truly into zoo sex. I would also have made absoluetly sure that the person was not hurting the animal by setting boundaries.Now that I am mature, I would not think of ever borrowing an animal for the sake of my sexual pleasure. Though I admit, there have been times when dogs were walking on the beach in front of my old home and I invited them in. If the animal consented, then we may have had some fun, but I would NEVER attempt to penetrate an animal that wasn't mine or didn't want it.I think that this topic elicits a lot of emotion and anger. I fully understand that some of us feel that our animals are truly our partners and we would not want our partner abused in any way, shape or form. I also know that there are people reading this thread that will never post a reply, just becasue they don't want to be exposed in the zoo/beast community as a possible rapist or one that would hurt an animal in any way.As far as horses go, I have had a few experiences with them, again through fence hopping. I always knew that my main attraction was for K9 but had to experience equines to make certain that I was not as attracted to them. I found out that I was not, mainly due to the fact that I was kind of afraid of them.I hope that we as Zoos, can be tolerant of what any person posts here and can accept thier opinions, whether or not we agree with them. Look at this forum and what it has done for our community. It has allowed all of us to come of of our closet and be with other like minded people. I don't think that anyone that would love an animal unconditionally could ever harm a human either, as they happen to be animals also.All I can say is that I hope that anyone that has ever fence hopped has never hurt an animal intentionally or otherwise and that some of us would be willing to help others that may not be able to have thier own lovers. Anyone that would like to discuss this on a more intimate basis is always welcome to email me:)
Couldn't of said it better Danethruster. people are so quick to forget how they started out. I jump fences all the time and ive been seen but never caught. and people dont even think your out trying to screw their pets. they think your tyring to gank their stuff. thank god the times i was seen i was only stealthin around buildings to get to where i wanted, not screw their animals. but the point is fence hopin is fine for awhile then u should grow up and get your own animal. besides do u really think the animals loves u when u only come at night to screw it. BTW. buy a game ear helps u pick up on other people or animals around u so u dont get walked apon. last thing u want is to be walked up on by a big pissed bull who is sayin get away from my females.
I think you need to steath run so you don't make noise . Go with the lader. P.S don't get caouht.
Well, I'll put my two cents in here:I have always been a zoophile, for as long as I have been sexual. The thing is that I'm most sexually attracted to horses. I don't view horses as do most. I've tried to explain this to my wife, but she doesn't understand it at all. Maybe some of you here will.In my mind a horse is almost majestic. They are a very beautiful creature, so proud and strong. I have nothing but respect for them. I also find them highly sexually attractive. I'm not just talking about their rear ends either. They do have beautiful genitals, but as a whole entire creature they are beautiful and wondrous.My problem is that I am still, although 36 yrs old, unable to have one for various reasons. I will be able to have one someday, but until then my only hope to satisfy a need is to fence hop. The reason for this is quite simple: There are no stables near here with which to gain access by volunteering my services, and I'm not going to stop and ask owners of any horses that I see while driving down the road if I can help them with their horses. What would YOU think if a stranger stopped and asked you to let them help with your horses for free? Would you think there was some alterior motive? I sure would. I would be suspicious of that person from minute one. That leaves only hoping to meet another zoo that would be willing to share. That is far easier said than done. As all of you know, zoos are very reluctant to let themselves be known, especially to strangers in a face to face situation. So I must resort to fence hopping until such a time that I can buy my own animal. Now, I must say that different fence hoppers will have different motives. For me, I feel a need to satisfy my sexual interest in horses, but I also care for the animals almost as if they were my own, maybe even more as I've seen some animals that have been neglected horribly by their own owners. I have a "kit" made up for fence hopping, although I have yet to use it. My kit consists of the following:A bucket to stand on should I happen to get lucky and find a mare in the mood and for carrying the rest of the supplies, a ziplock bag of warm soapy water, a bag of clean water to rinse with, and a washcloth and handtowel to wash and dry the genitals before any contact, a bag of apples to take as treats to potential lovers,and a small bag of grain and a couple of sugar cubes for an extra treat. That is my kit.Notice that my kit consists of no rope or bindings as I would leave before resorting to using any of these tactics. Even with this kit, before any sexual attempts I will spend at least 30 minutes petting and soft talking a potential lover, even if I'm in someone elses barn. Then if I make a sexual attempt and am turned down by the mare I'll leave at once. For me to press on the mare will have to be willing to stand and let me place the bucket behind her, mount her and have consensual sex. I will never tie someone elses animal to satisfy myself. I've never had to!My opinion is that different fence hoppers would have to be dealt with depending on the situation. Someone causing harm to the animals or the property should be dealt with differently than the consciencious hopper. I can only speak on my behalf here, but I know if I jump a fence the animals are treated with respect by me as is the owners property. I will not steal the owners belongings, I will not go through the barn looking at their possessions, I will not leave gates open (in fact I won't open gates, I'll climb over to avoid messing with someones gate closures), and I'm always sure to leave things just as I found them. Most importantly, I know I treat someones animal with respect by never forcing myself on anything. Yeah, I'm there for sex obviously, but not without proper foreplay and proper preperations to prevent infections and such, and not without payment to the creature that let me have my way. I guess I'm just saying that the punisment for such would have to depend on the circumstances. How would you guys really treat a fence hopper that did respect your property and animals? Would you treat this person the same as a person who came into the barn and shoved a broom handle into your mare while having it tied and bound? I guess even in fence hopping there are those with honor and those without. There's just a big difference in someone who shows up with a roll of rope and a broom handle and someone who shows up with wash supplies, treats for the animals, and a lot of respect for the creatures and the property.I'm not condoning fence jumping here, just explaining my own motives and behaviors. Any comments welcome!Thanx!
QUOTE (astro g @ Sep 2 2005, 11:19 PM) one tip for you.... don't get caught! (duh!)seriously that would really suck please don't.
QUOTE (goat_breeder_68 @ Dec 27 2005, 05:09 PM) Well, I'll put my two cents in here:I have always been a zoophile, for as long as I have been sexual. The thing is that I'm most sexually attracted to horses. I don't view horses as do most. I've tried to explain this to my wife, but she doesn't understand it at all. Maybe some of you here will.In my mind a horse is almost majestic. They are a very beautiful creature, so proud and strong. I have nothing but respect for them. I also find them highly sexually attractive. I'm not just talking about their rear ends either. They do have beautiful genitals, but as a whole entire creature they are beautiful and wondrous.My problem is that I am still, although 36 yrs old, unable to have one for various reasons. I will be able to have one someday, but until then my only hope to satisfy a need is to fence hop. The reason for this is quite simple: There are no stables near here with which to gain access by volunteering my services, and I'm not going to stop and ask owners of any horses that I see while driving down the road if I can help them with their horses. What would YOU think if a stranger stopped and asked you to let them help with your horses for free? Would you think there was some alterior motive? I sure would. I would be suspicious of that person from minute one. That leaves only hoping to meet another zoo that would be willing to share. That is far easier said than done. As all of you know, zoos are very reluctant to let themselves be known, especially to strangers in a face to face situation. So I must resort to fence hopping until such a time that I can buy my own animal. Now, I must say that different fence hoppers will have different motives. For me, I feel a need to satisfy my sexual interest in horses, but I also care for the animals almost as if they were my own, maybe even more as I've seen some animals that have been neglected horribly by their own owners. I have a "kit" made up for fence hopping, although I have yet to use it. My kit consists of the following:A bucket to stand on should I happen to get lucky and find a mare in the mood and for carrying the rest of the supplies, a ziplock bag of warm soapy water, a bag of clean water to rinse with, and a washcloth and handtowel to wash and dry the genitals before any contact, a bag of apples to take as treats to potential lovers,and a small bag of grain and a couple of sugar cubes for an extra treat. That is my kit.Notice that my kit consists of no rope or bindings as I would leave before resorting to using any of these tactics. Even with this kit, before any sexual attempts I will spend at least 30 minutes petting and soft talking a potential lover, even if I'm in someone elses barn. Then if I make a sexual attempt and am turned down by the mare I'll leave at once. For me to press on the mare will have to be willing to stand and let me place the bucket behind her, mount her and have consensual sex. I will never tie someone elses animal to satisfy myself. I've never had to!My opinion is that different fence hoppers would have to be dealt with depending on the situation. Someone causing harm to the animals or the property should be dealt with differently than the consciencious hopper. I can only speak on my behalf here, but I know if I jump a fence the animals are treated with respect by me as is the owners property. I will not steal the owners belongings, I will not go through the barn looking at their possessions, I will not leave gates open (in fact I won't open gates, I'll climb over to avoid messing with someones gate closures), and I'm always sure to leave things just as I found them. Most importantly, I know I treat someones animal with respect by never forcing myself on anything. Yeah, I'm there for sex obviously, but not without proper foreplay and proper preperations to prevent infections and such, and not without payment to the creature that let me have my way. I guess I'm just saying that the punisment for such would have to depend on the circumstances. How would you guys really treat a fence hopper that did respect your property and animals? Would you treat this person the same as a person who came into the barn and shoved a broom handle into your mare while having it tied and bound? I guess even in fence hopping there are those with honor and those without. There's just a big difference in someone who shows up with a roll of rope and a broom handle and someone who shows up with wash supplies, treats for the animals, and a lot of respect for the creatures and the property.I'm not condoning fence jumping here, just explaining my own motives and behaviors. Any comments welcome!Thanx! That was a great story, a-lot more than two cent thow
Back when I lived in PA, I had a direct neighbor that ran a small farm (about 8 horses). You could say that my first jaunt went just as teh original poster's story, but mine ended a bit painfully. On the walk back from my little "session", I really couldn't find a way to get out/around the high-tension (and electrifed) cables. They were teh dual ones (I had to touch both cables to get shocked, but the bottom one all you had to to was touch the ground and that wire). Well, you could say that I had one hell of a time getting back home through the cornfield with an arm that didn't want to work. Not only that, but the fact that doing this at night (and during the day when they weren't home) really made me need to find an alternative. We all know of the styrofoam pipe covers we use to cover our copper pipes so they don't freeze? A set of those over the wires when you run in can really save you the pain and misery of that. Said neighbors also had two sweet dogs that really never barked at me either. The dogs would ususally run in the fields at night and I'd just play with them sometimes. Real sweet dogs (a beagle and a basset hound), and I miss them moreso the horses. But yeah, a high-voltage tester can be a REAL help when hopping unknown fences. SOMETIMES (if it is not marked with a marker saying it's hot), you can see easily if it is a hot cable. Look at where it is connected to the post. If the cable has no sleeve over it and has direct contact to the wood, then odds are it is not hot. If a few are, and a few have a thick plastic sleeve on 'em, DO NOT TOUCH THE ONES WITH THE SLEEVE. They hurt. ALOT. If they all have sleeves on them, be careful and act as if they are all hot. The voltage tester is ususally easy to find. Yard Sales are easy places to find. Enjoy, have a happy (and safe) experience!
QUOTE (goat_breeder_68 @ Dec 27 2005, 11:09 AM)How would you guys really treat a fence hopper that did respect your property and animals? The way I see it, IF they really did respect my property and animals, they would NOT be a Fence Hopper. How would anyone here treat a Fence Hopper? Perhaps you should try reading some of the posts in a Topic called Would You Share Your Animal? in the Zoophilia Forum. If you go by some of the replies on how anyone here feels about sharing their own with someone else (even if they knew them well) that would give you a good idea on what kind of reply you would get to your question. If someone has a problem with sharing even with someone they do know, how would you think that same person would feel about anyone who would trespass on their property without their knowledge or consent to have sex with their animals?QUOTE Now, I must say that different fence hoppers will have different motives. For me, I feel a need to satisfy my sexual interest in horses, but I also care for the animals almost as if they were my own...And how would I or any other owner here know exactly what their "motives" may be? The simple fact they are willing to trespass on my property in the first place, I surely would not assume their motives were a good one.QUOTE ...maybe even more as I've seen some animals that have been neglected horribly by their own ownersI always have a problem whenever anyone tries to justify bad behavior by pointing out to other bad behavior. Just because an owner does not treat their own animals well, does not make trespassing on their property any better. QUOTE I'm not condoning fence jumping here, just explaining my own motives and behaviors. Any comments welcome!Thanx! Now that I just gave you my own opinion here, I would like to thank you for sharing your own thoughts on this topic and giving us all a chance to post our reply to it........oh, I do like your idea on that "breeding kit" you made up. May I suggest you use an antiseptic sudsing skin cleanser like Betadine Veterinary Surgical Scrub for your warm soapy water. You can find that at most Tack Shops.
Well, after reading a couple of other topics I can see where you're coming from. A lot of the ppl here are zoo exclusive and asking them to share their animal would basically be asking them to share their wives with you. I can see how that might not go over well.I suppose the only way to do it is buy your own. That assures you that you will not be shot or in jail for one thing and another that you will not be messing with someone elses "girlfriend". I'm sure there are more of us out there than we know! I just don't personally know how I would react to someone doing it on my property but I've always been pretty leanient with my property. I don't mind people being on my property really as long as they don't mess anything up or do any real harm. Still, you're right. As stated earlier, I have yet to use the kit that I made simply because I get too nervous to go on someone elses ground. I suppose that kit will come in handy when I can get my own mare!Have you ever been so anxious to do something that you are miserable from not being able to do it? God I want a mare. It is agony not to be able to feel that which I see in your videos.Thanks for the reply!
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my mate will only allow me to mount him, if he allowed another, just means I have to work harder to win him back, if I find the person I'll setle it the way any male will, fight for dominance. They are alive ergo can't be owned, they make their own discions,Thats all I'm going to say,and yes I have had my own animals in the past and yes I took flawless care of them so you if ya doen't think I know all the stufe behind it.and yes I still do fenc hop with the pony I've spent s good year with both durring the days combing and the nights making love.
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Hello Everyone,One thing I have allways wondered about fence hoping; what percentage of people have alert dogs on a property with horses or other animals? Would it be better getting ripped to shreads or having the owners awakend by there dog barking inside, then calling the police to find out who is in the feild with their horses.
I can't help but interject my two cents here. After reading a few of the posts here, did anyone happen to think about people that own horses, the cost involved, might have a shotgun leaned against their back doors? You know, for protection against thieves or predators? I know that most owners that I know that are out in the outlands of Arizona and such have guns readily available. Anyhow, my opinion for what it is worth.
QUOTE (rojwulf @ Dec 27 2005, 07:34 PM) DO NOT TOUCH THE ONES WITH THE SLEEVE. They hurt. ALOT. I know an old zoo who resentsany form of electrified fence.His gnarly old cock'shad so many shocks,a magnet will stick to his pants.Generally, the gates are not electrified, at least on the setups I've seen.
If I don't notice the guy sneaking around outside in the middle of the night, my German Shepard probably will. If I caught someone on my property I would call the sheriff then go out to have a talk with him with my 357. If he ran off, I would follow to see where he goes. I wouldn't care why the guy was there... if he was sneaking around at 2 in the morning it is safe to assume it is for no good. So, no, I wouldn't shoot the guy unless I had very good reason to, but I would still ruin his whole day.
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In Sweden, it is not allowed to forbid people to walk on your property. The law states that the nature is here for everyone to enjoy. There are only two places where people are not allowed to walk: A. Inside someone's garden, right outside their house, and B. In fields of crops. All the rest, forests, pastures, lakes, meadows, etc... are all allowed to walk through.Of course, with this law, follows a number of rules for responsibility. You are not to disturb any grazing animals in pastures, you are not to pick rare plants, you are not to break twigs or branches from trees, you are not to make a fire, except in places which already are assigned as specific places to make camp fires. You're even allowed to put up a tent, anywhere on someone else's property, as long as you don't do it close to their house or in a field.The only problem I've had with this law, is that tourists from mainland Europe don't always pay the respect that is necessary. I.e. they will park their car on your driveway, blocking your way, as they walk into the forest to pick fungus that you have saved, to pick once they are large enough to be picked. Now, those tourists will often pick those fungus when they are tiny instead, and far from ready for being picked. Blah. Also, during moose hunting season and deer hunting season, I tend to avoid walking in the forest, which makes me feel a little limited on my own land. But, I still think it is a good law, because it is easy to go hiking and walking anywhere, walking in any forest without being worried where the borders are, etc.So, basically, as long as you don't disturb the animals, it is okay to be in the pastures. In many places, there are public footpaths, leading right through pastures of grazing animals. I used to spend time with horses and cows in these types of places, because if someone came and asked me why I was petting their animals, I could just say that I was walking along the path. Most often, the animals were happy to have company, so as soon as you were walking on the path, they would come over to you, to be scritched and cuddled.I've never had intercourse with any animal in a place like this, and I mostly just pet, scritch and brush them. After having known some individuals for a long time, there has been times when I've given them oral stimulation, or fingering them, if they wanted to. I see that most people on this board are against fencehopping, but with these activities, and as long as everything you do is on the animals' terms and according to what they want, I personally don't see anything wrong with it. I don't want to do things with an animal I don't know well.I don't have animals of my own at the moment, but I am taking care of herds of cattle every year as they are grazing in my pastures. Their farmer just drops them off, and then picks them up, 6 months later, giving me money to pay for my expenses for water, electricity, salt-licks, food, etc. I take care of them as if they were my own, and I treat them much better than the farmer himself does, sadly enough.When I eventually get my own animals, I won't be bothered if people come to pet and cuddle them, but if there is a stranger, or someone I don't trust, and if I am not 100% clear that they will understand to make sure to treat the animals with respect, and care for the animals' wellbeing. I would not tolerate anyone to disturb them or scare them, or do anything that they were unhappy with. I would also be unhappy with someone else having sex with the one individual who would be my mate, even in the case that my mate would want to. Yes, in that respect, I am selfish. Apart from this, I would not mind nice and careful people to pet my animals, or even give them oral pleasure, or similar things. I know that most people are sensible and careful.Yes, I know, I am strange and complex.
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WOW!What a terrific thread! INTENSE! Educational. Thought Provoking. Must See. (ok, I know enuff already!)I CANT keep up! I just read the whole thread, I laughed. (I did!) I cried (I did.) (Thank 'the-powers-that-be' for digital storage. I see that the cool Racoolman has had this thread BUMPed up by Hamble (Can I call you that? Im not George 'W', I try not to assume nic-names). Thanks to Hambletonian! I had responded to Racoolman's thread and we've been having a great discussion on this subject. But this thread...is 'de riguer' for further discussion. However, Im a little confused as to what falls under the Fence Hopper heading.As of recently I have made posts which sounded fence-hop defending. The route through which we learn of something often shapes our perception of it. (McCluhan all over again eh?) I had defended not fence-hopping as it is presented in this thread by and large but what i took for fence-hopping as might be described by one poster whose succinctness (a skill I still struggle with! Notice?) said most all of my points of concern. They are not dearly held or cherished by me (nor him it seems) This place has put me on an evolutionary fast-track, so these feelings are ponderables, not defenses. In my imagination (naive it can ever seem sometimes) fence-hopper was a blanket term that meant anyone who had dallied with an 'animal' not his own. I never considered that so many 'people' were willing to literally hop a fence. And not only that but some do not have any interest in the beings on the other side themselves. And not only that but those same uninterested people endanger the horses well-being. And OMG! not only THAT but apparently some do insanely cruel things to them! Humans never cease to amaze me. (SD claps his forehead and sits back and rolls eyes and covers his eyes with his hand and then his mouth and stares at screen...)Well...thank Life we amaze BOTH ways and not just the horrid one.Anyway Gunslinger said: ........................................................................................................................................Like many others ive worked with/around horses for awhile, and yes, ive spent my share of evenings with them both sexually and otherwise. I owned a stallion, and due to my work hours would go riding at night quite often, thus it wasnt uncommon for my car to be parked out by the barn/pasture long after the owners of the stables were asleep. Until i could get him gelded 9that sucked by the way, barn rules though) he had to remain in the stall. Well there were mares on all sides and needless to say the sexual tension in the barn was pretty think between him and the mares. So, one evening i decided that the mare i'd been cleaning up after next to him (got a cut on the boarding rate by doing chores for full boarders) was showing all the right signals, and yes, i responded in kind.So in that way i fencehopped. I dont try to justify it, it happened and thats all there is to it. The only thing i will say is this, never once did i consider tying her up or forcing anything upon her, nor was it simply for the sex, as we had a great relationship for years afterwards with NO sex at all. Though me and my horse played often.I dont believe in trespassing on someone elses property just to get your rocks off with thier horses because you dont have the time/desire/whathaveyou to get a horse of your own, you mentioned the "thrill" well based on that one statement you in my opinion qualify for placement in the catagory of the ignorant fools who cause more harm to both the animals involved (i.e. you LEFT a black painted ladder in a pasture full of horses) and this lifestyle as a whole. Unlike the others who warned you to be careful lest you get caught, i for one wish the horses owners luck in catching you before you hurt one of the horses you obviously care so little about.Id dearly love to spend that type of quality time with a horse again, but until i can once again get my own, ill due without.Guns .............................................................................................................................................And from the last post:Svanfall said:as long as you don't disturb the animals, it is okay to be in the pastures. In many places, there are public footpaths, leading right through pastures of grazing animals. I used to spend time with horses and cows in these types of places, because if someone came and asked me why I was petting their animals, I could just say that I was walking along the path. Most often, the animals were happy to have company, so as soon as you were walking on the path, they would come over to you, to be scritched and cuddled.I've never had intercourse with any animal in a place like this, and I mostly just pet, scritch and brush them. After having known some individuals for a long time, there has been times when I've given them oral stimulation, or fingering them, if they wanted to. I see that most people on this board are against fencehopping, but with these activities, and as long as everything you do is on the animals' terms and according to what they want, I personally don't see anything wrong with it. I don't want to do things with an animal I don't know well............................................................................................................................................Well I have a lot of thoughts about these. But its 3:35 AM and who likes gigantic posts anyway? Well I do sometimes. But I dont know about mine. I have had some situations like these. But I'd love to hear how people feel about what happened, and what it constitutes. Was it against your values? What about his rebuttals of some of those vaues? Lemme know and then I can dump another big post on ya. Below: The worst type of Fence Hopping...from a Warner Bro's cartoon.Do students even do Panty raids anymore?
after reviewing the newest thread which spiraled into a fence hopping debate - and this one I just want to add this:everyone on this forum is entitled to thier views and is entitled to express that view - no one should ever be made to feel uncomfortable or unwelcome because they hold an oppossing view - I especially want to highlight this point because there were remarks made about the original poster of this thread - this poster IN NO WAY was ever confronted about his point of view in this thread by the staff/mod/admin team of this forum - the poster was ONLY confronted because he was objecting to views opposing his...it wasn't his view that was addressed by the team -it was is objects to oppossing views that was addressed by the team... and now I would like to quote myself from my own current post QUOTE everyone on this forum is entitled to thier views and is entitled to express that view - no one should ever be made to feel uncomfortable or unwelcome because they hold an oppossing viewwhat I'm saying here - is that you don't know the 'circumstances" that surround any individuals personal situations - and you don't know what thier personal definitions are for themselves -there are always so many hidden variables - so many unspoken frames of mind - don't be too quick to judge someones oppossing view point -question - discuss - even debate - but when it has become urgent for you to change thier view point - then just maybe it's time for some personal self reflection
For the record: In no wise, have any of my posts that in anyway that sounded like I was defending "fence-hopping," no matter how anyone defines it, would ever consider the actions of this thread maker as someting I would do or could condone. A personal view. I was disappointed in the thread maker's desire to shut out anyone. Gladdened by the members who said; "I aint leaving!" Admiring of the staff who stood up for those members right to contribute and espousing the privelege to do so. But there is one thing. I'm frightened that some members can express murderous hostility towards others. I dont mean when they talk of the risks that someone might murder you if you do something like "fence-hop" (that might even be considered considerate of said poster!) But the "Wild West - Shoot First: Ask Questions Later!" philosophy is scarcely a Stance I feel anyone has the right to have. If not out of consideration for anyone else's life (and I do understand when its hard to consider 'them' if they didnt consider you or your loved ones) and if not even for your own and those who love you's consideration; then at least for the safety and well-being of 'your' 'animal!' Misapprehensions, mistakes, and misunderstandings are some of the good reasons that "Taking The Law Into Your Own Hands" was outlawed to begin with. Of course there is "defending your own;" but advocating hot-headed murderous violence? I think a number of those posters who said that they would shoot and kill "fence-hoppers' probably really just wanted to demonstrate just how much 'their' 'animal(s)' mean to them, and probably wouldnt shoot someone. Holding them at gunpoint and calling the cops? That I understand totally. And though others have witnessed horrors beyond the imagining happen to 'their' 'animals;' shooting "fence-hoppers" dead is still majorly risky business. The risks to 'your' 'animal' should be more than enough to make you pick up the phone and not the Colt .45. But moreover the evil 's may be dead, but you better hope the courts exonerate you, and I wouldnt even hope for right Justice in even a 'Just' killing. Stay up and catch the creeps, but bring a cell-phone and call the police.All this murderous talk in the name of love and life makes me feel sick. But thats just li'l ol' me. Singing Dog
I do not own a horse yet, but I will next year. I have read post about fence hopers. It scares me to think about it. I have worked for two years to get my property ready for a horse. Then I will probably spend a few weeks or months looking for a horse I like. Then I build this beautiful relationship with here. Then I find out some guy had hoped the fence and used here as a sex toy. Makes me mad thinking about it. What if this dude that hoped the fence had a sexually transmitted disease, and I woke up the next morning and made hot love with my horse to find out I had caught the sexually transmitted disease that this guy had. Because he decided it was a good idea to use my horse a sex toy. My life wood be ruined because of this guy. I hope this dos not happen to me. But reading about people that hopped fences makes me believe it might. I am scared for me and my future horse. Animals are not sex toysFence hopping Pleas do not do that I fill it is rong to fence hopp.
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QUOTE (hlitg @ Apr 2 2006, 06:39 AM)I do not own a horse yet, but I will next year. I have read post about fence hopers. It scares me to think about it. I have worked for two years to get my property ready for a horse. Then I will probably spend a few weeks or months looking for a horse I like. Then I build this beautiful relationship with here. Then I find out some guy had hoped the fence and used here as a sex toy. Makes me mad thinking about it.I agree with you, hlitg. People who would fencehop like this frighten me, and it makes me very uncomfortable to think that some people would even consider to visit an animal with the sole purpose of having sex, with potential danger of scaring the animal, and ruining the relationship the animal has with her owner.It's a selfish act, completely devoid of respect for the animal, and for the animal's human companion(s).QUOTE I am scared for me and my future horse. Luckily, I do not think it is very common. But the fact that there are people who would consider things like this is scary enough. And to those who read my other posts on the fencehopping subject, and think that I just contradicted myself, I ask you to either read my posts again, or ask me to clarify. (Edit: My other posts in the matter are found in this thread http://www.beastforum.com/showtopic-79281.html They are however offtopic there, so any replies to those posts should be made in this thread.)Hlitg, I wish you happiness together with your equine companion once you've come to the point that you've found her, and she has moved in with you.
id go with the bucket idea one with two holes when you do get caught you can put it on your head and run to the hills
The biggest problem I can see that is being ignored by all fence hoppers, even those that claim they respect the animals.. is that you are tresspassing.It is illegal in the states to go on someone elses property without their permission.Secondly.. and though ZOO's may feel differently.. it is still the way our country works. Animals are property. Someone mentioned that sneaking over a fence to screw the pony is much like shagging the daughter on the sly.. (Or in alot of cases, you may be trying to have an affair with the wife/girlfriend/boyfriend.)1) You aren't taking into consideration that you are firstly breaking and entering someone's property. Right there, you are showing the animal that lives there, and the owner/lover disrespect. I don't care if you can't afford a horse so you're gonna go screw the neighbors.. wait until you can find your own horse who likes you. You have no right to go on someone elses property and do your deeds just because your young and poor and IMO stupid.2) Have you ever stopped to consider that your not the only animal lover out there? Have you ever wondered if maybe the owner has a terminally ill sickness that is spreadable to humans via sexual contact and maybe they use their animals as a way of still making love to something without harming it, and the horse is emotionally tied to them?3) Yeah.. you know, I realize some stated that you care for the animals that you hop a fence to visit in the middle of the night.. but that doesn't mean you have a right to them just because you bring a little sugar. You're statements make it sound like the owner wether or not they are even zoophilia understanding.. should automatically wait to see if your gonna murder his animals, or make love to them. I'd certainly get to know my rights as a land owner/animal owner and if it were perfectly allowable to shoot on sight before asking questions.. you can bet your pants around your ankles I wouldn't hesitate. It's obvious that you don't care for the animals by respecting the bounderies of their owners property. Your messing with them.. you might as well be stealing or upsetting them. You don't have permission from the owner/lover to even touch them through a fence. Why should the owners know what your intentions are, and why should they feel sympathetic for you just because your wallet is empty?4) Animals choosing their mates.. Animals, don't work like humans. Yes, we can relate to them.. yes they do alot of things similar, but that doesn't mean that just because they don't back you off, they are saying "Oh baby yes do it now."5) Someone mentioend they even spent a whole HALF AN HOUR to get to know a horse.. oh my goodness.. 30 whole minutes!? You honestly think that gives you the right to go touch someone's genitals? Sheesh.. Especially not your own animal.6) Fence hopping is illegal for a reason. There is nothing you can say that will change my mind that it's even tolerable.7) You don't know what kind of animals they are. Perhaps they have health problems that you might upset. Perhaps they are trying to heal up as stated.. perhaps they are extremely expensive horses and unknowingly you do it enough harm to kill the animal. How would you even know? You just hop the fence to get your kicks and be done with it. See why alot of people consider it animal rape? Just because you think it's okay, and just because you think you are caring for the animal the best you know how.. doesn't mean it is, or that you are doing the animal any good. The owners know the animal, it's history, and it's care and worth. You don't know if they are fine one minute, and the next a horrible tyrant.You don't know the horse.. even after half an hour, or a few hours a few nights out of a month.8) Some animals.. regardless of zoophilia and beastiality.. are thought of as only animals.. and COULD be that families sole source of income. You say your broke.. how would you like to actually own one or two of these gorgeous animals yourself.. and have some unknown guy, sneak onto your property in the cover of darkness.. and play around with your animals only to have him forget to have washed himself and you wind up with a horse that becomes terminally ill for 'no reason' costing you thousands of dollars to try and save the animal, let alone the income you generated with it? Lets put it in other terms non-animal. You own a car that cost you a great deal. Lots of hard work, sweat and tears and money.. and I decided I liked dying interiors of cars.. it was a turn on to me.. but I couldn't afford my own car, and I didn't have a driveway because I lived with other people.. so I went into YOUR car.. late at night.. and messed with it. Regardless that the animals can very painfully say no... I am comitting a crime. But should I say to you.. "But but.. I can't afford my own car, and this is the only way I can get off!"?That, is the biggest reason I can think of that only proves you do not care for the animal you think is a potential lover. You aren't regarding it's health, past or current health issues that you probably will never know.. and with regards to the little kit... how do you know that animal isn't allergic to something you've brought or something that is on or in it?I guess in a way I can understand the burning desire to have something you are forbidden to do.. but when your messing with someone's possible life mate and best friend... and their property that they live on... I'm sorry. But I don't sympathize. If it were legal to shoot to maim and find out what the bajeezuhs you were doing later.. I would if it meant protecting my pet and my investment. I'm not talking only money here. But emotional investment. I don't know who you are, your sneaking around in the dark on my land.. around my animals that cost alot of money.. I don't know what your intentions are.. but obviously they aren't in accordance with laws... I'm not going to assume your just there for a quick pet and you're gone. Your looking for something that isn't yours in a place you shouldn't be in.Respect the animals you think might be your mates. Don't hop fences.. work your hardest to provide the space you need to have your own.. if money is the issue.. start saving, earn more money.. take on borders (But don't mess with them.. they aren't yours to mess with.) to earn the cash to keep the land to have them and your own on.That's my thoughts. And I have never, will never, and won't ever consider.. fence hopping as a means to sexual gratification. Zeta Creations makes toys that covers that.. encourage them to make 'female bits' by buying lots of toys fromthem. Money is the issue? Work hard to get a job and make some.If you want to claim "But it's emotional gratification" then you don't need to whip out your privates. You can ask the owner, during the day when they are out with them, if you can pet them. IMO, there is no justifyable -excuse- for that sort of behavior. It is completely disrepectful for everyone involved.[added later]I said that 'you' were 'stupid'.The you I am talking about is a generalization. I am not speaking about any individual specifically. And being stupid, well... it's just plain dumb to go on somenes property, around horses that -could- kill you.. and mess with their genitalia.It's just a dumb idea. If you get hurt.. it's your own fault you get whatever is coming to ya. I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad or unwelcomed.. but this is how I feel about the idea. It's a dumb one.
Ok I just need to post my warning and story since other people who may want to fence hop could be reading this....Don’t do it! And if you do don’t get mad when you get caught, prosecuted, and shamed by an un-accepting public. I keep a shotgun loaded in my room and I'm the girl of the house... I won’t tell you what else is around to keep us safe. Last summer my family and I were eating breakfast and we noticed Bruno was also eating breakfast, on the front lawn. We later found out that a gate had been broken. now the horses know they don’t go out this gate so only 2 of them ventured out and Bruno who was young and still not broken at the time didn’t really want to go back in. for any of you who want this to have a twist of fun, I ran outside and spent the morning getting him back in wearing just a large t shirt and my panties. we got them back safely and fixed the gate. My parents think that it just broke on its own but my horses don’t go by the fence, and don’t break the gates because of the electric fence. (Which was also unplugged where the gate was broken) I personally believe someone fence hopped and broke the gate leaving it on the ground and my horses with the ability to wander the world un tethered with the possibility of being hit by cars or lost for days.As for the danger part any one who has worked with horses has had their close calls where they could have been injured or killed. I personally was kicked in the stomach but because I was safe and was keeping a distance it didn’t even put me to the ground. We all can get hurt and even if the horse is enjoying your company another one around you may not be.
QUOTE (josh2xx @ Sep 3 2005, 02:54 PM) This has gotten stupid. If you disapprove then leave; QUOTE Also I wanted to mention I am going to do this whether you approve or not so mine aswell fess up and help each other not get caught. just incase you didn't read all the posts.1. I don't care what you would do if you caught me, it's irrelevant.2. I'm good at stealth, wouldn't do it if I thought I was going to get caught.Now, if you have any fence hopping related talk I'd like to hear it. your statement that you didnt care if you got caught,it was not revelant confuses me.if you dont care about getting caught then why stealth and only at night.also,if you are so perfect in your new found talants then how did you lose your ladder?if the owner finds a black ladder in his pasture he will greatly increase security so you may have caught yourself .as a precaution let me tell what happened on my small acreage.i found a feed bucket upside down in my pasture and knew imediatly what it was for.you are not the only "expert" stealth fan.lots of people have prior military skills and stealth is one of mine.i went to the national chain of electronic stores and bought a night vision scope for my camera.it took a week of staying up at night and losing sleep but the creep returned with a new bucket.i got to within 30-40 feet and took almost 24 pictures.several showed enough facial features as he looked around neverously to eventually identify him.i sent him a picture a week for 5 weeks showing scenes he would know without showing anything his family would be distressed by if they saw them first.on the sixth weekend he came to my house and asked if i was sending the pictures.i told him i was and i had plenty more.he begged forgivness and i left it at that but could just as well could have sent them to the police or local newspaper to do with as they please.you are playing a dangerous game and i caution you to be careful.the best thing is to buy,rent,lease your own animal and treat them with respect.
That's a big 10 Hotrod for ingenuity with compassion! Brilliant.
I went back and skimmed through the thread, and I have some questions for all you passionate haters of them criminal, bestial, tresspassing, serial rapists: Do you allow your dogs to roam? Do you know where they go and what they do? Do you take measures to make sure they're not approaching other peoples' animals (or wild animals)? Do you think they practice celibacy for your sake when they're out?I fence-hopped for 15 years in an institutional setting with no farmer, and no shotgun at the back door. There was no thrill in getting caught, the thrill was participating in a herd as a member. I never received any substantial injury, just the typical bumps and bruises that any other herd member might get. I learned and shared a great deal from those years, and I have no regrets. Those horses were like zombies when I met them, and sweethearts when I left. I smile to think of all the ones I've trained to kiss, they're out there somewhere today... And, a flip side to the "get your own animals" argument is that you tend to collect animals who have little to do around the place other than wait for you to get horny with them - if they are even so inclined; if not, then you have animals hanging around, bored, for no particular purpose at all. I've seen it firsthand. That raises off-topic questions about whether you allow your zoophilia to govern the course and content of your life...There will never be a resolution; there will always be fence-hoppers and there will always be the I-will-kill-you owners. There will be idiots on both sides. The best we can hope for is for each side to have a bit of understanding of the other side's view. Meanwhile, like it or not, a substantial amount of human/animal interaction is made possible by hopping fences - or otherwise interacting with animals one does not own, think of how broad a net that casts when you universally condemn it.
barb, i agree with you and it echoes my biggest problem with a lot of members on this board.If you look in threads like "how did you get started?" time and time again you hear tales from even the most respected members of how they took thier neighbors/girlfriends/boyfriends/friend's animal for a romp in the hay. Very rarely is a first, second, or third experience done with thier own animal. This is the same as fence hopping. You didnt ask your friend if you could have sex with thier animal, did you? Then its the same idea as fence hopping. You cant take the "do as i say not as i do" approach on this one.Secondly, hlitg expressed that it disgusted him that someone would use his horse as a sex toy. Well, isnt that his main interest in obtaining a horse? I remember in his first post here some of his friends who had owned horses were trying to get him to get a gelding for several reasons, but he wanted a mare because he wanted it for sex. Many here obtained an animal with the expectation that It would be used for sex. I say "used" because "used" implies a purpose, which it in fact does have in the eyes of the owner, to bring pleasure. Now i think there is nothing wrong with this. There are many here though, that think that after years of owning thier own animals for sex, that they can tell others they cannot do the same. I just dont think thats right.
at the risk of offending anyone or staarting a flame session,which i will not do,let me say this.it appears to me that both of the above posts are making large assumptions.i personally have a dog and have always had a dog and he doesnt run loose and is in fact not used for sex in any way.i also have 5 horses at the present time and only have had and only have sex with one particular mare.i love all my animals and the horses are rode at least 5 times a week and have the run of 6 acres and are healthly calm and respected.please if you must make assumptions to justify your actions please dont lump me in with your assumptions.thank you.
i said "many" which does not include all. And, im not implying that people who do have sex with thier animals do not take care of them properly, not at all. Im just implying that the initial descision to buy an animal was made with the intent in mind to one day initiate sex.and i have never and will never fence hop, so no need to justify my actions, i just think there's a lot of the pot calling the kettle black
Yes, I completely agree with you hotrod, some very big assumptions were made in those two posts AND they both are trying to "spin" their assumptions here as an excuse for their reason why they don't think that "Fence Hopping" is such a bad thing. First thing, this ,errrr, term "Fence Hopping"....let's just call this what it really is....TRESPASSING! trespass vb 1: to committ an offence 2: to enter unlawfully upon the land of another. syn transgression, violation, infraction, infringementQUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 25 2006, 04:59 PM) I went back and skimmed through the thread, and I have some questions for all you passionate haters of them criminal, bestial, tresspassing, serial rapists: Do you allow your dogs to roam? Do you know where they go and what they do? Do you take measures to make sure they're not approaching other peoples' animals (or wild animals)? Do you think they practice celibacy for your sake when they're out? Well maybe you should go back and read all the posts in this thread and not just skimmed them. First, are these questions or are you implying that dog owners are not responsible people? Now what would you say next if I or anyone else answered no to your first question, Yes to your second and third question.... ....and maybe you can tell us how the last question has anything to do with trespassing on someones property to have sex with an animal that is not your own. Are you saying that if someones dog can "screw around" in the neighorhood, it's o.k for you to do the same? (You know, after reading back that last line, I got a real big from it!)QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 25 2006, 04:59 PM)I fence-hopped for 15 years in an institutional setting with no farmer, and no shotgun at the back door. There was no thrill in getting caught, the thrill was participating in a herd as a member. I never received any substantial injury, just the typical bumps and bruises that any other herd member might get. I learned and shared a great deal from those years, and I have no regrets. Those horses were like zombies when I met them, and sweethearts when I left. I smile to think of all the ones I've trained to kiss, they're out there somewhere today...First, congrats on not getting caught for 15 years....sounds like you really know how to pick out a farm or stable where you can trespass without getting caught. So, you are saying these horses were mistreated or not loved and cared for by the owners or caretakers of that farm. How do you know exactly how these horses feel or act when the owners or caretakers are around them...are you also in and around this farm during the day and see what goes on there? Did you have a job there during the day and returned their trust in you taking care of these horses by trespassing at night when no one is around? I think you give yourself way too much credit here on giving them "kissing" lessons. Maybe they seemed to be "zombies" as you put it because they did not know you at first. So they responded to you later on because you were "nice" to them....but that still does not make it any better for you to trespass in the first place.QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 25 2006, 04:59 PM)Andd, a flip side to the "get your own animals" argument is that you tend to collect animals who have little to do around the place other than wait for you to get horny with them - if they are even so inclined; if not, then you have animals hanging around, bored, for no particular purpose at all. I've seen it firsthand...Someone who gets an animal just so they can have a sex-toy and neglects or ignores their need for love and proper care the rest of the time, I have a big problem with that too....even more so than this trespassing for sex thing.And I hope you are NOT placing someone who has a loving relationship with their own animals with a person like that....owning an animal does not make it o.k. for anyone to mistreat them, for sex or any other reason. And as for that "get your own animal" argument. I have never replied, nor have I ever read a reply here when someone would post "does anyone have a mare I can F K here?" where the reply was well, you can get your own animal. Posting questions like that here are considered very rude and usually get replies the origional poster was not looking for. QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 25 2006, 04:59 PM)That raises off-topic questions about whether you allow your zoophilia to govern the course and content of your life.You got me on that one...I plead Guilty as charged, and proud of it too! The job I do and were I live has always been govern by the needs and care of my own horse. Probably would have quite a different lifestyle with a better paying job or career and a fancy home if I did choosed something other than working with horses and having my own for over 35 years...just can't think of ever doing anything else, and I would not change a thing.QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 25 2006, 04:59 PM)There will never be a resolution; there will always be fence-hoppers and there will always be the I-will-kill-you owners. There will be idiots on both sides. The best we can hope for is for each side to have a bit of understanding of the other side's view.Sorry to say, you are correct...there will always be people who think it is their "right" to tresspass and have sex with an animal and give reasons like "I can't afford to" or "I live in a place where I can't have one" or whatever other excuse they come up with. Idiots on BOTH sides? Well, I guess it all depends on which side of the "fence" you are standing on. Understanding of the other sides view, maybe? Agree with it, not likely.... Oh, and if you ever find an owner who will not say "I-will-kill-you" when a stranger does trespass on their property to molest their animal, tell me about it!QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 25 2006, 04:59 PM)Meanwhile, like it or not, a substantial amount of human/animal interaction is made possible by hopping fences - or otherwise interacting with animals one does not own, think of how broad a net that casts when you universally condemn itThe only reply I can say to that one is you are probably living in the Land Of OZ Anyway, even though I disagree with most of your opinions, I do respect them and glad you have given everyone here a chance to read and post their own reply to what you said. QUOTE (offtopic @ Apr 25 2006, 06:51 PM) barb, i agree with you and it echoes my biggest problem with a lot of members on this board.If you look in threads like "how did you get started?" time and time again you hear tales from even the most respected members of how they took thier neighbors/girlfriends/boyfriends/friend's animal for a romp in the hay. Very rarely is a first, second, or third experience done with thier own animal. This is the same as fence hopping. You didnt ask your friend if you could have sex with thier animal, did you? Then its the same idea as fence hopping. You cant take the "do as i say not as i do" approach on this one.Secondly, hlitg expressed that it disgusted him that someone would use his horse as a sex toy. Well, isnt that his main interest in obtaining a horse? I remember in his first post here some of his friends who had owned horses were trying to get him to get a gelding for several reasons, but he wanted a mare because he wanted it for sex. Many here obtained an animal with the expectation that It would be used for sex. I say "used" because "used" implies a purpose, which it in fact does have in the eyes of the owner, to bring pleasure. Now i think there is nothing wrong with this. There are many here though, that think that after years of owning thier own animals for sex, that they can tell others they cannot do the same. I just dont think thats right.All I can say to you is, read my reply to Barb Dyer.....I'm sure hlitg will want to post a reply to you on that comment.
Beautifully written hambletonian, now I understand why you are the supreme being...
Hey Hambletonian, What can I say to add to that, O Ya, Nothing. Bavo, Bavo, BavoKeep it up My Friend.
Hopefully noone buys an animal for sex and only sex and neglects them the rest of the time. Any pets I've ever owned, were never gotten for sex. Not even the one I had an experience with.And you do know that allowing your animals to roam.. is against the law right? That's why there are dog catchers and other animal teams to help prevent those animals from being caught in an accident or other trouble with those who would see fit to ruin the creature just for kicks.. and because it's a 'stray'.I try very hard to keep my kitty inside most of the time. Yes I do let her outside on occaision. But she stays in the huge yard. I also don't consider her my girlfriend. Yes, when she gets a little TomCat lovin' I certainly hear about it.. and as soon as I can she's going to get spayed.. for some unknown reason.. she's not become pregnant. But she is a friend.. not a lover. And saying that just because the dog will screw anything with legs outside the property does not in any way grant you or anyone rights to the dog's property to screw him/her. Also, they are looking for other dogs.. not any old hole they can sniff out. Like it was posted before, tell the officer the animal said you could come over. See how far that gets you.Any responsible owner, will do as much as they can to ensure their animals cannot get 'loose' and run wild. Why?1) It protects the animal from getting hit by vehicles, or crossing over dangerous land they don't know well and becoming injured themselves.2) Injuring others because they have become frightened and spooked.3) Possible death due to the above, or by being attacked by those would see an animal suffer.4) Keep away from hefty city/county fines for animals being on the loose.I can't help but think the entire posts trying to argue the 'other side' of getting your own animals, and those of us against tresspassing on someone elses property to molest animals.. are by posters who don't really see the animals as anything but animals for their sexual gratification. Trying to justify having sex with an animal on someone elses property, or who is owned by someone else.. really makes no other sense other than your wanting to feel okay for doing it. (In my opinion.)If you want to get to know an animal that intimately.. and it belongs to someone else.. you should ask permission to have a closer look or to pet it. Go back often... if they don't mind.. and if things work out.. you and spanky there get a little time to pet each other. If your intentions are GOOD.. why are you sneaking around behind the owners back? Speak with your actions.. not your words. You want to say you really care for the animal.. then care for it. Dont' sneak over when your ready for some actions and hop the fence back home when your done.. and that's the only time you stop in to see the creature. I'm not saying you have to have a comitted relationship to the animal in question. But you should have permission if they are owned. If they are WILD animals.. then I suppose you'd better be able to run fast, and have the animals permission. Just make sure you don't get caught on government/BLM lands either. And.. the animals were like zombies when you first met them? Is that perhaps.. because you didn't know them? I'm sure you seem like an unknown zombie to others when they don't know you from billy bob or jane doe. Animals are alot more subtle than humans are and when humans pay attention, and see how each animal differs.. we begin to think of them as endeared sweethearts who love us. But that doesn't mean they were soulless when you first arrived. If that were the case, humans would probably not have as big of an attraction to them as friends, no matter what kind of animal it is. Dog, Cow, Horse, Cat, Fish, Alpaca.. etc.
QUOTE Secondly, hlitg expressed that it disgusted him that someone would use his horse as a sex toy. Well, isnt that his main interest in obtaining a horse? I remember in his first post here some of his friends who had owned horses were trying to get him to get a gelding for several reasons, but he wanted a mare because he wanted it for sex. Many here obtained an animal with the expectation that It would be used for sex. I say "used" because "used" implies a purpose, which it in fact does have in the eyes of the owner, to bring pleasure. Now i think there is nothing wrong with this. There are many here though, that think that after years of owning thier own animals for sex, that they can tell others they cannot do the same. Well offtopic you must have not read my entire post. I am getting a horse because I love horses I love being around them. They are a lot off fun to be around and ride. I never mentioned the word sex in that topic either. If she doesn’t let me to do those kinds off things with here so be it, but I am not going to love here any less because of it. I will still take care and love here till the day she dies. She will be my best buddy and we will probably have good times together. My main reason for getting a horse is because i love them. People that hope fences / trespass cant show that kind of love to a horse.
And another thing dos a fence hopper sleep in the barn when the horse is sick. Dos a fence hopper take care of a horses wounds, make a horse fill better when it sad. No they do not. The person that dos all that is the one that really cares for the animal. And I am going to be one of those carring people.
Yes, I can see that broad, sweeping statements are popular in this thread.I spoke up because hearing from a fence-hopper is unusual, and therefore the anti-hoppers tend to wind up making wild guesses about what a fence hopper may want or do. Then they're hardly different from the anti-zoos, who think I'm out to mutilate and sacrifice their animals. And I stand by my statement that condemning encounters with animals one does not own condemns a huge part of the human/animal intimacy taking place every day. I agree with the guess that most of the people here had their first and/or early encounters with someone else's animal. I certainly did, and have shared some great times with a lot of different critters. As I write this I have someone else's Chihuahua leaning on my thigh, getting shoulder blade rubs wile he begs to lick me clean.Regarding trespassing on someone's hallowed ground, I was always on state-owned land, never private. In those days visitors were allowed, they never stipulated any hours of operation so I met people at night there several times without trouble. Not so any longer, unfortunately, now you have to have prior permission to even enter the place at any time.(However, I was once on a friend's rural property when someone else's horses got loose and trespassed their way right past the house one night ... they were friendly.) As for what world I live in, apparently I've stumbled into one where no one lets their dogs run loose. I find that highly unlikely.I've walked on private land without permission, without the elements of animals or sex - so should I have been shot for that, too, if trespassing is so serious a crime?I guess there's an element of irrational rage that gets triggered when intimacy is involved. Like it's one thing to sneak in the bathroom window to rob the cashbox, but a different thing to sneak in the bathroom window to have an affair with the wife. I would only suggest that expecting a human-like monogamous relationship with an animal might be an attempt to project the human view of a relationship onto an animal. If that's what you're doing, you may hit some bumps - there's at least one blues song that mentions getting a mean guard dog, and "if I catch him wagging his tail at a stranger, I know someone's been cheating on me."
QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 26 2006, 04:48 PM)Yes, I can see that broad, sweeping statements are popular in this thread.I spoke up because hearing from a fence-hopper is unusual, and therefore the anti-hoppers tend to wind up making wild guesses about what a fence hopper may want or do....Let me ask you this question. If you ever find someone trespassing on your own property, are YOU going to know what their exact intentions are? Probably not. And on the "flip side" as you put it, if you are trespassing on someones property, are they going to know what your intentions are? You will know, but the owner will not and I'm sure most will not just wait around to see what you might do, making "wild guesses" while they watch.QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 26 2006, 04:48 PM)...Then they're hardly different from the anti-zoos, who think I'm out to mutilate and sacrifice their animals.Why would Zoos' be any different than "anti-zoos" on this and not be thinking if you are out to mutilate their animals? Maybe you missed this post on the thread...QUOTE (skin2 @ Sep 6 2005, 05:45 AM)I personal have had expernace of a fench hopper on a non zoo's friends farmThese fu wits decided it would be fun to fist the mare with there dirty hand's and they probably used a implament aswell. Hence 3 days later my pal lost a great mare and its unborn foal to blood posing.How do we know it was a fench hopper 2 days later another local mare had to be shot as some twa had ruptured its internal organs by using a broom handel as a fliping didloAre you still going to say Zoos' should not have the same concerns as non-Zoos' about trespassers on their property, just because they are Zoo'?Now as to these "...broad, sweeping statements...", do you remember reading this one...QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 25 2006, 04:59 PM ) ...the "get your own animals" argument is that you tend to collect animals who have little to do around the place other than wait for you to get horny with them - if they are even so inclined; if not, then you have animals hanging around, bored, for no particular purpose at all. I've seen it firsthand. After reading this to yourself again, does it now sound broad and sweeping to you? To me, it "reads" everyone who wants an animal, only has sex in mind and will not give them the love and proper care they need and deserve.Mr. Rogers: Boys and Girls, can you say "Broad and Sweeping"? I bet ya can! QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 26 2006, 04:48 PM)And I stand by my statement that condemning encounters with animals one does not own condemns a huge part of the human/animal intimacy taking place every day.Well at least would you agree with me it would be nice and proper when you see someone in the park with their dog to say to them "Nice dog. May I pet him? Thank you!"...right? To me, this reads like you are trying to spin away from the topic here, trespassing. I am not condemning encounters with others animals, just doing it without the owners knowledge or concent.QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 26 2006, 04:48 PM)Regarding trespassing on someone's hallowed ground, I was always on state-owned land, never private. In those days visitors were allowed, they never stipulated any hours of operation so I met people at night there several times without trouble. Not so any longer, unfortunately, now you have to have prior permission to even enter the place at any time.Hmmm... ...maybe the reason this state-owned farm now requires permission before you are allowed there IS because they had problems in the past with (well now, lets just call them) "visitors", especially at night? Tell you what, since you know this farm sooo well, maybe you can tell us all why they now require "permission" to visit the animals these days? QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 26 2006, 04:48 PM)(However, I was once on a friend's rural property when someone else's horses got loose and trespassed their way right past the house one night ... they were friendly.) Trying to figure out the point you are making here. Are you saying a loose horse running across your property is the same as a person trespassing on it? ...oh, humor...thats a good one! QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 26 2006, 04:48 PM)I guess there's an element of irrational rage that gets triggered when intimacy is involved. Like it's one thing to sneak in the bathroom window to rob the cashbox, but a different thing to sneak in the bathroom window to have an affair with the wife. I would only suggest that expecting a human-like monogamous relationship with an animal might be an attempt to project the human view of a relationship onto an animal. If that's what you're doing, you may hit some bumps - there's at least one blues song that mentions getting a mean guard dog, and "if I catch him wagging his tail at a stranger, I know someone's been cheating on me." The only thing I like to know is, what does any of this has to do with trespassing on someones property? I just want to end this reply with one question to you...Do you now own your own animal (i.e. dog/cat/horse, etc.)?Maybe I'm wrong, but I think some of your opinions would change a bit once you did get your own "pet" and then worry about what might happen to them as a owner, right?
QUOTE (vanessagirl34 @ Apr 26 2006, 02:01 AM) Beautifully written hambletonian, now I understand why you are the supreme being... Well, gee...thank you.
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QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Apr 25 2006, 04:59 PM )...the "get your own animals" argument is that you tend to collect animals who have little to do around the place other than wait for you to get horny with them - if they are even so inclined; if not, then you have animals hanging around, bored, for no particular purpose at all. I've seen it firsthand.So.. what your saying.. is that for all of us who are telling fence hoppers to 'wait until they have a willing friend of their own - INSTEAD of tresspassing on someones land in the middle of the night, no matter what the intentions are.. because it's wrong on multiple levels- is like telling them to COLLECT, HOARD, ABUSE, and NEGLECT animals so they can use them for sex?Now wait just a minute.. I thought that, (By the statements made by fence hoppers...) that you really care about the animals.. and that they aren't used just for sex.I'm getting confused now. Are you now saying that fence hoppers just want to use the animals to get their kicks and they don't appreciate them for what they are, and wouldn't care about them at all if they got their own willing and loving animals?If that's the case... then why is okay for you to sneak around in the middle of the night to make LOVE to animals you don't know, and their owner's shouldn't have a problem with it, again?
QUOTE So.. what your saying.. is that for all of us who are telling fence hoppers to 'wait until they have a willing friend of their own - INSTEAD of tresspassing on someones land in the middle of the night, no matter what the intentions are.. because it's wrong on multiple levels- is like telling them to COLLECT, HOARD, ABUSE, and NEGLECT animals so they can use them for sex?No, I'm simply saying that I've met zoos who have obtained animals for the purpose of sex and little or nothing else - sometimes the sex works out, and sometimes not, in which case there's really nothing at all for the animal(s) to do.To me, people who do that are as bad as the ones who get cute little pups or kittens then dump them off onto someone else when they're grown and not as cute. Ten years ago, it was the neighbor's cat jumping the fence to come visit me because that was the only affection he could get.QUOTE Hmmm... ...maybe the reason this state-owned farm now requires permission before you are allowed there IS because they had problems in the past with (well now, lets just call them) "visitors", especially at night? Tell you what, since you know this farm sooo well, maybe you can tell us all why they now require "permission" to visit the animals these days?It was the hoof-and-mouth and mad-cow scares that changed everything. Way back when I could show up with sacks and a shovel and raid the manure pile, now it's posted as a BIOSECURE AREA. And on top of that, the complex includes an airport, and these are not good times to be sneaking around an airport."Yes Officer, I was just here to visit the horses - and I have the smegma under my fingernails to prove it!"
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QUOTE (hlitg @ Apr 26 2006, 03:56 PM) And another thing dos a fence hopper sleep in the barn when the horse is sick. Dos a fence hopper take care of a horses wounds, make a horse fill better when it sad. No they do not. The person that dos all that is the one that really cares for the animal. And I am going to be one of those carring people. Sadly, not all animal owners are that caring, hlitg. A lot of horse owners and cow owners does not care for their animals if they are sick, they just send them to the slaughterhouse a little earlier than they would have done normally.There are fencehoppers who actually do take care of wounds, and who does comfort the animals when they are sad. Because - the owner will not do it. There are caring and sensible fencehoppers, and those are the only one allowed to fencehop in my opinion.I do not fencehop for sex, but I fencehop to cuddle and pet. But I have friends who fencehop, and sometimes they have sex while fencehopping, and sometimes they're simply just cuddling and spending time with the animals.Without fencehoppers those animals would have no one to give attention to them before they get loaded onto a truck and sent off to slaughter. Those horses and cows deserve to be treated with kindness before this time is due, and I think that fencehoppers who treat those animals with kindness are genuinely good people, doing a good deed.Edit: I forgot to add, I have already mentioned this in other posts, but I should say it again: I do not approve of fencehoppers who are only caring about their own sexual satisfaction. I do not approve of fencehoppers who don't make sure they know the animal well before they have any kind of sexual contact with the animal. I do not approve of fencehoppers who don't know what the hell they are doing. I do not approve of fencehoppers who approaches animals who have a good relationship with their owners. The risk of doing something that might cause trouble in the relation between the animals and their owners, is a risk that no one should take. Do not get in the way of this highly important relationship. I would not approve of anyone fencehopping to be with animals belonging to the kind of caring people, such as Hambletonian, hlitg, Rololover, etc. Absolutely never.
Great to have you back Svansfall! BF needs people like you to make us think and keep us on our toes, coming at us from a slightly different angle. Pity I never seem to agree with you, but you make me analyse my views, which is good. I am entirely with Hambletonian on this. However, (and we've been here before), you are in a different situation from the rest of us, living in a country with virtually no trespass laws, where it is accepted as legally and morally right to go almost anywhere on another's property without permission. If that is the accepted practise in your culture it obviously makes a difference to some forms of "fence hopping", so I reluctantly have to concede some of your "grey areas" to you because of your unique (I stand to be corrected on "unique") situation.BTW, in UK we have an extensive network of footpaths open to the public criss-crossing private land, and as a long distance runner I have covered thousands of miles over farms this way, and have loved exploring the countryside this way. But you must stick to the paths and not wander off all over someone's private territory, which seems just fine to me!
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well, if your neighbor is anything like me, then he owns an ak-47 with a night vision scope. I wish you the best of luck, I suggest you buy a night vision monocular and that you wear forest camouflage. because trust me, if I found you raping one of my horses, you'd be more than sorry. also, if you left any evidence, then I sure hope your fingerprints aren't on any federal record, for your sake
Im sorry peeps but I dont agree with fence hopping......If courght you deserve everything you get...........mebe the old owner has his own stealth methods and wishes to give you back your lost ladder rather violently.......nothin personal, the horses arent yours for one and the risks to yourself and the horses are too great.....I would rather stay out of prison or hospital or both so I can enjoy BF The contributions of pics and vids from those lovly Bf members(too many greats to name ) fuel my interest in horses till one day I can own my own horses....to look after them...make sure they are safe from horny fencehoppers......Horses and neighbours and neighbours property needs to be respected!
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Fence hopping is a very dangerours game to play. The animal(horse/cow/sheep) does not belong to you. You have no affection towards the animal but pure sex. To me this is rape as most times the animal will be forced into performing. What happens if say a horse decides he/she is not interested and kicks you, do you take it like a man/woman and walk away or do you sue saying the animal kicked you for no reason.You also make it possible if you are caught for more people to say that sex with animals is wrong and disgusting. As they will say that we do not care for the animals involved, but just intested in the sex and our enjoyment.
Times have chainged in 30+ years. We would ride for a day at a time crossing property lines never opening a gate but fallowing feald edges, met owners never had a problem. Horse shows were open any one wandered through. All the tack was still there. Horses were in shed rows no cirtians every one could look out at every one else.. People knew animals and did nothing stuped.. Axcidents were axcidents and a hanging peanis was no offence. Things have changed and now you go to a show the shedrows are still there but everything is cirtianed off guard dogs in isle at night and groom in tack stall trying to sleep.. Every one with an axcident sues every one and there brother. Peanises are hidden never brought up. People who should love there horses dont but swar they do at the show party. People do not know which end of the horse to stick the carrat in for what result and arnt bright enough to know if a mare is in heat or not..I could go on for ever but wont..We have a problem people with little or know knowledge want to be involved with an animal but few ask or learn about the animal..They scar the heck out of every one. Some think the animal is a stick of wood with no fealings and would never have sex with it they sore the feet set gross long heavy shoos to get a rediculous big useless gate. Run to the supermarket to buy all the ginger root crush it stick it up the horses ass so they cary there tale high and look prity.. Well there ass is burning and we still havent mentioned sex..And I had no ginger for my stake sause eatherThere is little responcibility to people any more. We react to the world around us.Seams we need common sence Rus
Definately agree... I am a zoo, and I would/have/will play with my boys reasonably often. I love them to death, and if I caught someone even TRYING to do something with then, or even on my property at night with "fence hopping supplies" they are getting a shotgun in their face and the cops an invitation to come visit my farm. I don't care what it will do to the zoo community, I will prosecute to the fullest. You don't TOUCH my boys, period. Too bad I'm not in Texas, where you can legally shoot trespassers with intent to kill without any warning.
I don't recommend this at all. Your playing Russian Roulette if you doing this. Not only you will get caught, you could go to jail for trespassing and setting a bad example for your self and the other zoos. Its not worth all this. Please don't do it. Animals are not sex objects. (Or either humans for that matter. But on the flip side since we live in a sexually repressed culture, who cares. ).
"I've walked on private land without permission, without the elements of animals or sex - so should I have been shot for that, too, if trespassing is so serious a crime?"No, just arrested. But you touch my "children", and I don't care if you are cuddling, petting, or groping, you are getting thrown out on your ass. Doing it at night? You are getting the business end of a weapon and a ride in a police car. There is a difference between visiting an animal and walking across land. Walking through a school? Or hugging and groping all the kids? One will get you thrown out, the other get you arrested.
Tabby you had to add that last line....Common sence to me is you meet a dog on his walk in a park, spend some time and are kind is one thing. The owner is obviously comfortable with the animal being loose and unsupervised.Horses are seldom left that way, the big ranches are not running horses on range and if they were you get to the shoot thing.Slip into my barn I would assume you were a tack thief or arsonist. Ether way you would be better off running into Deacon..You just cant do this, besides you could get very injured. What makes you think we train our horses to talk to strangers. Those who care teach the reverse now..This comes up a lot and we all need to change with the times.. No one here has the right to end up on an others property uninvited.It aint polite or safe Rus
QUOTE (rus80 @ Jan 23 2007, 06:27 AM) Tabby you had to add that last line.... Uh...What last line? Oh that one.
It is a very moral issue. And I think one stallion that I knew was gelded because he may have been friendly with a border at a stable. The stable owners said how much he loved his mare and he would spend long times alown in the barn. We use to show with the stud and he had no issues at all. His owners are wonderful people and we all know our studs inside out. They would have seen the temporment change and reacted to it.We never thought anything of people comming up to pat a horse but now you can loose everything over an axcident your ranch encluded.Axcidents are now frightening way beyound the hurt..Rus
So fence jumping is something i should forgett about ? you are talking about being shot at and stuff damn it must be tuff to live in usa i live in sweden we don't have the same kind of farmers here =) i have considered to fence jump but now i won't do it now i'am just gettig it on with my best friends dog when he is away
Good choiceNo it is not tough to live here as long as you obay the law..We do not all rely on calling some one for help when it is un necessary..This is a life style that rests on a fine line of right or wrong Please do not tip it the wrong way..My criyyers are mine even my cat they choose to live with me so I return the favor.Rus.
There are many places around here that this would be possible.Would I ever? No. Things happen, things don't go as planned, and I have respect for other people and their belongings.Now, if a friend were to say, hey, come on over to my pasture tonight, I wanna show you something, well, that's different.
QUOTE (Svansfall @ Apr 29 2006, 01:04 PM) [/QUOTE]Sadly, not all animal owners are that caring, hlitg. A lot of horse owners and cow owners does not care for their animals if they are sick, they just send them to the slaughterhouse a little earlier than they would have done normally.There are fencehoppers who actually do take care of wounds, and who does comfort the animals when they are sad. Because - the owner will not do it. There are caring and sensible fencehoppers, and those are the only one allowed to fencehop in my opinion.I do not fencehop for sex, but I fencehop to cuddle and pet. But I have friends who fencehop, and sometimes they have sex while fencehopping, and sometimes they're simply just cuddling and spending time with the animals.Without fencehoppers those animals would have no one to give attention to them before they get loaded onto a truck and sent off to slaughter. Those horses and cows deserve to be treated with kindness before this time is due, and I think that fencehoppers who treat those animals with kindness are genuinely good people, doing a good deed.Edit: I forgot to add, I have already mentioned this in other posts, but I should say it again: I do not approve of fencehoppers who are only caring about their own sexual satisfaction. I do not approve of fencehoppers who don't make sure they know the animal well before they have any kind of sexual contact with the animal. I do not approve of fencehoppers who don't know what the hell they are doing. I do not approve of fencehoppers who approaches animals who have a good relationship with their owners. The risk of doing something that might cause trouble in the relation between the animals and their owners, is a risk that no one should take. Do not get in the way of this highly important relationship. I would not approve of anyone fencehopping to be with animals belonging to the kind of caring people, such as Hambletonian, hlitg, Rololover, etc. Absolutely never. Regarding "Caring and Sensible" fence hoppers: How do "you" know how the owner feels about the animals in their care? The horse in the pasture may look thin or untrimmed, but do "you" know if there is a medical reason? One the owner is seeing to, but the results haven't yet manifested? "You" bring treats for the horse, but do you know if that horse is required to be on a special diet due to illness (recent colic), age (worn teeth), or just being taught not to be mouthy by limiting hand feeding? Will "your" treats (grain in some situations, fermenting apples in a colicky horse) react with any medication/condition that animal might be on/have?With out knowing the full history of both the owner and the animal, the most considerate and sensible acts could have unforeseen and dire consequences up to and including death. Watching the animals in the field for awhile at night can never give one the whole story.As they say "The road to H**l is paved in good intentions"The " " on the pronouns are to denote the generic not any one specific "you" even though I quoted a prior post.Wow, far more then this intensely private individual would usually say.Lupine
QUOTE Wow, far more then this intensely private individual would usually say.Lupine Far more than this one would DARE say.Would be lots of 10's for lots of folks--but too many for the "clicky thing".Long, but a good read. Thanks, all!Would add, to answer Southy's question:QUOTE Why would someone have Night Vision if they didn't suspect something? To check livestock. To see if dogs were chasing the sheep, friend. Lots of folks have them now.I only use a spotlight now if I want the animals to see ME. (It's the signal for them to return to the barn if I need to get them up at night).
Long thread but a fascinating read and some very interesting contributions
QUOTE (curious1looking @ Feb 4 2009, 08:56 PM) Long thread but a fascinating read and some very interesting contributions QFT! lots of excellent responses. thanks!
QUOTE "You" bring treats for the horse, but do you know if that horse is required to be on a special diet due to illness (recent colic), age (worn teeth), or just being taught not to be mouthy by limiting hand feeding? Will "your" treats (grain in some situations, fermenting apples in a colicky horse) react with any medication/condition that animal might be on/have?I just read the entire thread, and it took this long before this comment was made. (10 for you) When I first read the part with bringing food to the animals, this is the first thing I thought. Oh boy, this is dangerous...what if that animal can't eat that item for a health reason?When you meet with an animal you don't know, and you don't know the owners, don't know the history or health conditions or his/her purpose, you are putting that animal at risk. There's the diet issue. And then there are things like interrupting with their breeding cycle. Or what if she had just had surgery or been injured back there and then you come along and put your penis in her? The animal's consent is not the issue here. We know the horse may want it, but you need the owner to say everything is okay, go ahead and do it. Because if not, you may have the best of intentions, but you don't know the half of it. You don't know how much pain you can accidentally inflict on her.
Now I feel bad for my past transgressions. Well, I sort of did, anyway.
hmm im gonna add, that 95% of your standerd civilians, would not pull the trigger on another human unless there life is in severe danger, and in many cases even then wouldnt shoot. talks cheap, saying you can pull a trigger wile looking a man in the eyes is a hell of alot different than doing it.
QUOTE (hambletonian @ Apr 26 2006, 04:43 AM) Yes, I completely agree with you hotrod, some very big assumptions were made in those two posts AND they both are trying to "spin" their assumptions here as an excuse for their reason why they don't think that "Fence Hopping" is such a bad thing. First thing, this ,errrr, term "Fence Hopping"....let's just call this what it really is....TRESPASSING! trespass vb 1: to committ an offence 2: to enter unlawfully upon the land of another. syn transgression, violation, infraction, infringement I'm not going to argue the pros and cons of fence-hoping...but the reason of your argument. If the main reason not to fence-hop in your eyes seems to be that it's trespassing and illegal, and therefore shouldn't be done because it's illegal.If that's the case then what about all those people who live in areas where bestiality is illegal...then does it become wrong for them to have sex with animals?
Lotta banned folks on this thread thankfully... lol!animals are property, and if you take liberties with another person's animals you are playing with fire.tresspassing is a bad idea all the way around, dangerous and ill-advised. If you get shot, and I gotta tell ya that owner is within their rights to do so, you may not live to sue or explain your side.Fence-hopping is the absolute worst way to indulge this interest....
Just a thought, does the average farmer put there cows away at night?
When I was a teenager, going to shcool, the only way I could get together with a mare was to fence hop. We lived just out of town & there were a lot of farms around with horses. Had a trapline of 5 mares that I could safely visit at night, one was on the way into town & most nights I would go to town to visit with a friend & then stop off with the mare on my way home. Have also fence hopped since then in various places I lived. Fortunately for the last 25 years I have had a mare of my own but still have contemplated fence hopping just for variety.
I honnestsly try not to be preachey, but as an exclusive, 1000% Zoo, fence hopping to me feels as if it it is statutory rape in a way. It is forcing an animal who doesn't understand the differance, to have sex with a stranger, withiout the knowledge of the one who is responsible for the wellfare of the animal. Blackwolf
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I guess it depends on how you interpet rape. The mares I have fence hopped for were more than willing partners & were never forced into anything they didn't want.
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This is a place for fence-hoppers to come together and share their experiences, not to listen to half of the forum beat out the same tired argument. Obviously there are plenty of people who disagree with this practice, but telling them it's wrong based on your own principles is no different than someone lecturing any one of us why zoophilia is wrong. Not everyone will get along or feel the same way about something, but claiming some degree of ethical superiority sure isn't going to help settle the differences among us.
QUOTE (pick_7 @ Sep 3 2005, 06:05 AM) QUOTE (josh2xx @ Sep 3 2005, 07:54 AM) This has gotten stupid. If you disapprove then leave; QUOTE Also I wanted to mention I am going to do this whether you approve or not so mine aswell fess up and help each other not get caught. just incase you didn't read all the posts.1. I don't care what you would do if you caught me, it's irrelevant.2. I'm good at stealth, wouldn't do it if I thought I was going to get caught.Now, if you have any fence hopping related talk I'd like to hear it. I disapprove.........And, I am not leaving. This is an open forum, when you post, expect opinions that differ from your own. You have no right to tell someone who disagrees with you to leave You mean this argument?
QUOTE (southflorida @ Sep 4 2005, 04:50 AM) QUOTE (josh2xx @ Sep 4 2005, 12:33 AM) I must say alot of replies here don't make sense to me as I don't want your parental advice, but anyway I am probly not going to go there again for awhile as I want to lay low. you don't understand English maybe Pick_7 has CLEARLY explained to you that no one is exempt from replying with thier feelings experiences and opinions in the thread - if you didn't want to hear the reverse side -then you shouldn't have opened pandora's preverbial box here -this is your LAST warning - make another inappropriate reply and I will cut off your tongue apparently you to need to mature in MANY areas or was it this one?
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A bit of both, although I wasn't being literal...I'm not trying to bar people with different opinions from expressing them, I'm trying to highlight the fact that 1) this thread is for fence-hoppers to share mutual interests and experiences, and 2) telling someone they're wrong through personal values doesn't take us anywhere. Obviously it'd be absurd for me to say, even more so to enforce, that only people who agree with this should post in this thread, but I'd like to see everyone get along (or at least try) for the sake of preserving the friendly atmosphere I think most of us can agree exists and attracts people here in the first place.I guess I'm fighting an uphill battle there though. C'est la vie.
Bugger that all the fences round here are topped with barbed wire, read a story of a guy who tried(whilst drunk) to vault over one, failed spectacularly ended up in A&E, the doc said that if he'd landed 2mm from his injury, he'd have left his balls behind(injury was a 4" gash in his groin) and I'm rather attached to mine( not much use since the snip but hey they're mine)
just though id let everyone know that, tonight im attempting my first fence hop! with a small herd of dairy cows .......wish me luck, and theres almost no chance of getting caught as the pasture is located a solid kilometer away from his house
Wish you luck, hopefully you can find one that will stand for you. Since you live in the same area that I do, why don't you e-mail me at "centaur.ca@shawcable.com".Might be an interesting chat.
QUOTE (blackwolf66613 @ Apr 24 2009, 11:06 PM) I honnestsly try not to be preachey, but as an exclusive, 1000% Zoo, fence hopping to me feels as if it it is statutory rape in a way. It is forcing an animal who doesn't understand the differance, to have sex with a stranger, withiout the knowledge of the one who is responsible for the wellfare of the animal. Blackwolf In my opinion the only true arguments against fence hoppers are the trespassing and personal injury arguments. A horse could easily kill any man making unwanted advances towards them. thee whole rape aspect is ridiculous in my opinion. Accusing fence hoppers of rape is a dangerous assertion. All anti-zoo's could say the same about any acts involving bestiality. Just because you happen to own the animal doesn't justify the behavior in their eyes.
QUOTE (silkythighs @ Apr 28 2009, 09:20 AM) In my opinion the only true arguments against fence hoppers are the trespassing and personal injury arguments. Let's not forget that every time someone does something foolish, gets hurt, hurts an animal, makes the news, stirs up PETA, Congress, HSUS, and all those fine people everywhere who feel they have the right to force their views on the rest of us, we ALL suffer for it........
Glad to see OP was banned.Fence hopping is just the use of animals for sexual purposes. There is no love or genuine affection there; the fence-hopper is merely using them for sexual gratification as one might use a fleshlight or other inanimate masturbatory device.I am very much a zoo, but just using animals for sex is wrong, as sex with humans is not a native impulse. If it is with one's own pet whom one cares for, loves, and is loved by in return, then it is an understandable and beautiful thing if one takes it to the next level.If I found a fence-hopper on my property, they would be shot, incapacitated, and taken to the police. I would personally see to it that their name is ruined.
QUOTE (DARPAchief @ Apr 28 2009, 01:10 PM) Glad to see OP was banned. Nobody but the admin knows why the OP was banned. Could've been for something totally unrelated to this topic.
QUOTE (neandernitz @ Apr 28 2009, 11:43 AM) Let's not forget that every time someone does something foolish, gets hurt, hurts an animal, makes the news, stirs up PETA, Congress, HSUS, and all those fine people everywhere who feel they have the right to force their views on the rest of us, we ALL suffer for it........ But again, this can be said anytime, anybody, gets caught or is exposed for practicing bestiality. Is the reaction ever positive? No
If you get caught fence hopping or with your own animal zoo's are still gonna suffer one way or another.
I can understand the thrill but fence hopping is just wrong.
QUOTE (DARPAchief @ Apr 28 2009, 07:10 PM) If I found a fence-hopper on my property, they would be shot, incapacitated, and taken to the police. I would personally see to it that their name is ruined. hold up, have you ever looked through the sights of a gun and lined it up on a mans head and pulled the trigger? chances are you havent and in the situation you have a gun in your hands and you have a fencehopper at your mercy, chances are your not gonna shoot him, talk is cheap....just cause they fencehop does it mean they are bad people? do they not have family who would mourn them? a wife? children? you will think those exact thoughts in the moment, and u wont shoot. period. and if u do......you will lead a fucked up life full of guilt and sleepless nights..I have alot of buddies who have been through this, they were in the army, were they would have killed someone trying to kill them and they still have guilt and remorse for the godless terrorist they killed who would have slashed their throats in a heartbeat.....sorry to go on like this but it pains me to see people talk of killing as an easy task when ive seen what it can do to people.
QUOTE (silkythighs @ Apr 28 2009, 12:21 PM) QUOTE (neandernitz @ Apr 28 2009, 11:43 AM) Let's not forget that every time someone does something foolish, gets hurt, hurts an animal, makes the news, stirs up PETA, Congress, HSUS, and all those fine people everywhere who feel they have the right to force their views on the rest of us, we ALL suffer for it........ But again, this can be said anytime, anybody, gets caught or is exposed for practicing bestiality. Is the reaction ever positive? No True enough, but your chances of being caught are way less with your own animal behind the locked doors of your own house or barn, and you already know where the owner is..........
QUOTE (Coin collector @ Apr 29 2009, 07:42 AM) you will think those exact thoughts in the moment, and u wont shoot. period. and if u do......you will lead a fucked up life full of guilt and sleepless nights..I have alot of buddies who have been through this, they were in the army, were they would have killed someone trying to kill them and they still have guilt and remorse for the godless terrorist they killed who would have slashed their throats in a heartbeat.....Funny thing about that; I'm not one of your friends from the army.Another funny thing is how hundreds if not thousands of shootings happen every day, despite our supposed thoughts that would stop us even in the heat of the moment.But anyways, would I really? I don't know, but a fence-hopper on my property would not enjoy his time. That much I know for sure.But anyways, when I wrote that I'd had a bad day, a headache, and a particularly irritating phone call just a few minutes before, so I wasn't really in the most generous of moods, and in my haste I forgot one of the most important points:fence hopping is trespassing on someone else's property and as such increases the danger of getting caught exponentially, and getting caught means punishment rained down upon us who are being smart and only doing it in the privacy of our own homes with our own animals. I don't want even more laws to be passed against what I do in my own house because some thrill-seeking jackass got himself caught.
Like I said talk is cheap.....
Look, it's all been said, and talk isn't cheap at all. You just don't appear to be listening.I had a mare lose a foal inexplicably late in her term this year. What if some jackass hopped the fence and I caught him shoulder deep fisting my pregnant mare? You are an asshole (and not an animal lover at all) to take liberties with an animal you do not know enough about, and you can readily cause catastrophic injury with your innocent yet perverse viewpoint.Horse owners have to deal with a lot of grief from clueless animal lovers even ignoring the zoo community. I can't fucking emphasize this enough. We have to keep our animals safe and we also have to try and keep you safe or we all end up in court arguing over "attractive nuisance" because you or your family will sue. Easier and much less trouble/expense to shoot your ass. Believe it. Ask your local sheriff. Quick laundry list of actual stupidity I've observed:proud father lifted his infant up over a 6' fence and dangled it over the fence in the face of a 2yo mare...small child climbs into a paddock with 2 mares and a foal while adults are present and say nothing...no end of people trying to feed our horses with nary a thought to whether horses actually eat what they offer...standing on the top rail of the fence and leaning dangerously far in to take pictures while horses are excited running and bucking...bringing a stallion up onto the property nose to nose with a mare in heat...the list is endlessGet a clue
QUOTE (Okono @ Apr 29 2009, 05:01 PM) Look, it's all been said, and talk isn't cheap at all. You just don't appear to be listening.I had a mare lose a foal inexplicably late in her term this year. What if some jackass hopped the fence and I caught him shoulder deep fisting my pregnant mare? You are an asshole (and not an animal lover at all) to take liberties with an animal you do not know enough about, and you can readily cause catastrophic injury with your innocent yet perverse viewpoint.Horse owners have to deal with a lot of grief from clueless animal lovers even ignoring the zoo community. I can't fucking emphasize this enough. We have to keep our animals safe and we also have to try and keep you safe or we all end up in court arguing over "attractive nuisance" because you or your family will sue. Easier and much less trouble/expense to shoot your ass. Believe it. Ask your local sheriff. Quick laundry list of actual stupidity I've observed:proud father lifted his infant up over a 6' fence and dangled it over the fence in the face of a 2yo mare...small child climbs into a paddock with 2 mares and a foal while adults are present and say nothing...no end of people trying to feed our horses with nary a thought to whether horses actually eat what they offer...standing on the top rail of the fence and leaning dangerously far in to take pictures while horses are excited running and bucking...bringing a stallion up onto the property nose to nose with a mare in heat...the list is endlessGet a clue ---Not saying for an instant that what you say isn't true (it is) or that I don't agree (I do), but Please never call names; get a Mod to change that if you can. Hate to see you get warn points for a slip of the tongue-- like some of us might have.....
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QUOTE (DARPAchief @ Apr 28 2009, 07:10 PM) Fence hopping is just the use of animals for sexual purposes. There is no love or genuine affection there; the fence-hopper is merely using them for sexual gratification as one might use a fleshlight or other inanimate masturbatory device. U are so damn wrong.For many Zoos fence hopping is the only possibility to get a little closer to those animals.It depends on the people who do it but i certainly know, there are many examples where there IS love.Even if its not ur own horse or whatever.
QUOTE (Okono @ Apr 30 2009, 12:01 AM) Look, it's all been said, and talk isn't cheap at all. You just don't appear to be listening.I had a mare lose a foal inexplicably late in her term this year. What if some jackass hopped the fence and I caught him shoulder deep fisting my pregnant mare? You are an asshole (and not an animal lover at all) to take liberties with an animal you do not know enough about, and you can readily cause catastrophic injury with your innocent yet perverse viewpoint.Horse owners have to deal with a lot of grief from clueless animal lovers even ignoring the zoo community. I can't fucking emphasize this enough. We have to keep our animals safe and we also have to try and keep you safe or we all end up in court arguing over "attractive nuisance" because you or your family will sue. Easier and much less trouble/expense to shoot your ass. Believe it. Ask your local sheriff. Quick laundry list of actual stupidity I've observed:proud father lifted his infant up over a 6' fence and dangled it over the fence in the face of a 2yo mare...small child climbs into a paddock with 2 mares and a foal while adults are present and say nothing...no end of people trying to feed our horses with nary a thought to whether horses actually eat what they offer...standing on the top rail of the fence and leaning dangerously far in to take pictures while horses are excited running and bucking...bringing a stallion up onto the property nose to nose with a mare in heat...the list is endlessGet a clue So what?, I say that it's hard to kill a man and you would regret doing it after somehow turns into me being an animal hater?? Were did you pick this up in my post??? If I had animals And I caught someone fencehopping hell ya I would be pissed! But I wouldn't kill the guy, am I a bad person cause I'm saying I wouldn't kill someone? No I would attemp to get him under citizen arrest, kick him around a bit and call the cops.How bout you think a bit before you go calling someone names for no reason, not sure were u got any of that out of my post
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QUOTE (Coin collector @ Apr 29 2009, 07:32 PM) So what?, I say that it's hard to kill a man and you would regret doing it after somehow turns into me being an animal hater?? Were did you pick this up in my post??? If I had animals And I caught someone fencehopping hell ya I would be pissed! But I wouldn't kill the guy, am I a bad person cause I'm saying I wouldn't kill someone? No I would attemp to get him under citizen arrest, kick him around a bit and call the cops. Well, now, see: There's the difference in perspective of where you live--In some places, getting scuffed up over something done to someone else would be normal and expected.Other places where you can't take a shower without 2 lawyers watching to see if you slip on a wet spot, you can get sued for everything you worked all your life for. Smek someone around, and they sue you and take your home. Case some years ago, a burglar got shot in the legs climbing thru someone's window. Sued the homeowner because his injury prevented him from pursuing his profession (burglary). Won, too. The homeowner's neighbors chipped in and bought his farm back for him afterward. Not too long ago, they changed the law. Kill someone to defend your property, you're good. Dead people don't sue.Just saying, remember things are different depending on where you are.......
QUOTE (Coin collector @ Apr 29 2009, 05:32 PM) How bout you think a bit before you go calling someone names for no reason, not sure were u got any of that out of my post Read as bigger picture *you* and less personal.Talking to everyone on the fence hopping side and not merely *one person* though *your post* prompted my response.
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Nean, ya I definately can see that point of view, and I would definately not hesitate to use lethal force if it came to a break in in my house, but I would see shooting a fence hopper as a little over the top...but that's just me and I don't want to start a big argument over it (even though I love arguin' ) And okono, I'm actually against fencehopping..
QUOTE (Coin collector @ Apr 29 2009, 05:32 PM) I say that it's hard to kill a man and you would regret doing it after.... If I had animals And I caught someone fencehopping hell ya I would be pissed! But I wouldn't kill the guy, am I a bad person cause I'm saying I wouldn't kill someone? No I would attemp to get him under citizen arrest, kick him around a bit and call the cops. Let's see if I can verbalize this in a way that helps fence-hoppers understand. I myself have never had to take a human life, actually saved a fair number across the years and miles, guess that's what happens when you are prepared... Being prepared also means having thought through what you will do in a wide range of possible scenarios. It also means being stone cold sober about what it means to do so and how the law will likely view it. It is always better to avoid a fight, but it is not always possible. In such a case you need to act to end it decisively with great speed and energy. A live or wounded adversary can continue to bleed you financially, emotionally, and literally make it impossible for you to carry on while they spin a tale to garner sympathy from folks far removed from whatever actually happened. ...and do it for years... I don't see what possible benefit it would be to me to allow a trespasser messing sexually with my horses to live provided I am within my lawful right to expunge them. I mean what's my upside to let them go? There isn't any that I see, it's all downside from my chair. Dead folks can't sue. Them's the plain facts.I can be polite and let you waste my time, money, energy and effort, or I can terminate you lawfully and go on about my business after the coroner leaves.It's not as difficult a decision as you might fantasize...
It's cool and I enjoy the repartee...Maybe I like arguing too Who'd a thunk it.
Yeh, I think I'm starting to see the light, but I still there would be some major emotional issues after the fact, these days, the justice department is too blind to deal just justice, like being sued for injuring a burgeler, or the fact u can get less jail time for murder than burning and selling a DVD...
Okono, you have my utmost respect; you've summarized a lot of my feelings about the issue that I never could quite verbalize in the wake of a strong gut reaction I have when this subject comes up.Also, to the guy who whined about how maybe fence-hopping is the only way that some people can get close to the animals, too bad. One should work for their dreams, not break the law to get what they want like a spoiled child.
I don't believe in lethal force..... MP
Massive thumbs up to Secret admirer and silkythighs for your great posts. I will say I have fence hopped alot before but now I don't due to certain changes in my circumstances. Alot of the time I was doing it I was just spending time with the horses and not having any sexual contact whatsoever. For me it was the only way to be close to these wonderful animals. To DARPAchiefs comment "one should work for there dreams" Is life always that easy? No its not. There are some people who will never be in the situation to own their own horse however hard they work, let alone have it stabled on their own property where they can have risk free access. Also how could they be acting like a spoiled child. Surely the whole point of a spoiled child is they always get what they want. If you don't have what you want then your not really spoiled are you. Dudemandude I agree with you. It won't be true in very case but there will be times when people who are fencehopping are showing genuine love and affection for the animals. To those who have given the big "i'm happy to kill anyone near my horses" thing, ok maybe you can do that in the place you live but in alot of countries you can't do that. Not if you don't want to go to prison. I'm from England where the latter applies. What would you do if you weren't in one of those states where its legal to shoot anyone on your land? Well pretty much your only option is calling the police, or scaring the person off I guessIt seems too many posts recently in this thread have become centered around the is it Ok to shoot trespassers debate which is not really what this thread is for (which goes back to what secret admirer said in his post a few pages back).It is one of the things with being a zoo that for some people it will never be possible for them to fulfill there desires and dreams. I feel very lucky that I have had these chances and hopefully will be in a position in the future to own my own animals which I can love. For a non zoo who just wants human to human sex if they get to 40-50 and they've never had sex they can get a prostitute. They can even go to a country where prostitution is legal if they are worried about being arrested for it, and then they get to have sex. For a zoo this is not possible. You are either lucky enough to know an owner who can help you out or you are in a position to own your own animals. To me its no surprise that people not in these two catergories will turn to something like fencehopping. Its very hard for me to be either distinctly for or against fencehopping as I fully understand the views of both sides. But I will admit my sympathy lies more with those genuine animal lovers who have no animal access.
Well said, just what I was thinking. Time to get back on topic & see what others experiences have been.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ May 1 2009, 07:17 AM) To DARPAchiefs comment "one should work for their dreams" Is life always that easy? No its not. There are some people who will never be in the situation to own their own horse however hard they work, let alone have it stabled on their own property where they can have risk free access. Life is about your choices, (notwithstanding those countries where you have no choice, and your wife and life are chosen for you). Don't assume for an instant that those of us "lucky" enough to have animals had them beamed down from the Starship Enterprise.I have a degree in hydraulic engineering. Could work for the Gov't; for the petroleum industry; for the military. That would be a boatload more money than farm calls to set up Ag systems, and trying to breathe life into people's 50 year old machinery with duct tape and baling wire for another year or 2 of use.I chose the latter, have a small farm (no row crops), and raise and sell enough animals to pay their way.There are any number of choices you make all your life, to go in the direction you want. Instant gratification? I think not. Long term satisfaction? Absolutely. Are other lifestyles more appealing to you? That's your choice. But having made that choice, that's no excuse to impose yourself on what other people have worked for. How many "mundanes" who never got married use that as an excuse to jump other people? Or who will never have a car or a place to keep one, and go in someone's garage and "borrow" one. That's just as much of a violation of other people.
Thats not what I meant Neandernitz. You were in a position to choose to live the life you have. I too am going to be making sure I am in a postion to do the same. Even if I have to make some sacrifices. But the fact is I will hopefully be in a position to make that choice and those sacrifices. If I was 15-20 years older I might well not be.Some people are not, and never will be in that position. So yes you are "lucky" compared to them. You are lucky you could choose to live the life you have. However many sacrifices you have made, you have chosen to make them. Plus owning a car is a lot different to owning an animal. But as has been said by another poster this thread is not for anti fencehoppers to "impose themselves" on other people who have made the choice to do that. I think its quite clear from your previous posts on this topic what your opinion on this subject is so why not leave it at that. Same for other posters who have repeatedly posted their anti views. You've made yourselves heard why the need to keep repeating yourselves. Your undoubtedly not going to change other peoples opinions on this matter. Now to finish I have no wish to get further involved in this argument. There is no point as it can not be won or lost, and its obvious to me someone else in the anti camp will always need to add something more and then someone else will etc etc, ad infinitum. I have said my piece and now i'm shutting up.
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QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ May 1 2009, 11:37 AM) I have said my piece and now i'm shutting up. Agreed. Me too.
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BTW-- please no more anti-age-ism-ist remarks already-- I "was 15-20 years older" when I decided I needed more animals in my life (and not just sexually) than a place in town and a job reworking poorly designed military equipment could provide. I cashed in my company life insurance, (all $2500 worth ), bought a stallion, looked for a farm lease with option, and got busy. *You're never too old........*
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I find the argument that I can't have my own animals so I'm going to use someone elses to be completely and utterly specious. The fact that a person can not or will not do what it takes to have animals of their own does not in any circumstances give that person the right to use the animals of those of us who can and do.LtD
Btw nean, you now have a fan club
QUOTE (neandernitz @ May 1 2009, 11:28 PM) BTW-- please no more anti-age-ism-ist remarks already-- Sorry dude no anti-ageism meant there. I more meant people who have commitments that don't allow them to make the change. Was just not worded very well
A big ten for Neandernitz and LongThinDane.
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