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So last night I was watching American Pie 3, American wedding. There were a few bestiality references in the movie especially when stiffler has his balls licked by a dog and it appears that while all that's going on, Jim's humping the dog from behind.Anyway what im trying to get at is that there's been alot of similar references in the media be it on Tv or magazines or even radio.In my media studies days when we studied politics and law, we learnt of how propoganda is spread using media, how homosexuality was made acceptable throught the last 30 decades due to the media Desensitizing the public by making such things normal. and it starts off as such:First they bring the issue into the limelightThey Make The issue light hearted by making it humorousThey Make The Issue Commonplace by making it a theme in mediaThey Create Icons who are recognised by the mainstreamThey make it acceptable by making it a part of mediaSo we're pretty much on stage 2 now (please dont quote me on the steps, it's been a while since i was studying hehehe)Anyway i thought i'd throw this topic out so we can discuss Please add your thoughts
I think bloke does have a very good point though, that by desenseatizing the public to beastiality and zoophilia that they would eventually become more accepting of it, even if it is through comedy. For example, look at "Will & Grace" it is a whole show that centers itself around two homosexual men and their friends, and yet its a hit! Other shows have taken a more dramatic approach towards homosexuality, but still it is accepted by the public, even Britney Spears kissing Madonna, even though questioned by some, is generally accepted. Seeing things like this on tv even 10 years ago would have cause an outrage from the public. Slowly, but surely, the public has become more and more acceptable of homosexuality. If the same approach is used by those who support beasiality and zoophila, even if it is only to be through comedy, it will eventually, with time be more and more acceptable by the public. Who knows, perhaps we will someday see celeberties and politicians coming out to the public and being a major voice for us.
exactly!good points with the will and grace reference. see how popular that show is and how popular in the mainstream is Lesbianism now?it's gone from tabboo to being almost a fashion fadlike hey if you're a woman and you're in you've gotta have tried it on with another woman...Reading south florida's list of movies, it's become quite evident that the desensitizing of bestiality has begun. No one seems to be complaining as much anymore. Sure you get the "ewwwwws" from the uneducated masses but those will soon be ha ha hee hee's and then they'll become the so called norm Maybe not in our lifetimes but hey, it's a start??
another good funny movie with strong zoophile references is "National Lampoon's Holiday Reunion"In it a female shepard falls in love with the visiting husband, the husband even references her desire to mate with him, and in the end it leaves no doubt that they did acturally mate, although it don't show the actural mateing, it leaves you no doubt that they did.
I concur (and I can't spell either however that has nothing to do with this topic ), beastality has in recent years been exposed to the populous as a whole more and more. Unfourtunatly we are still living in a 'christian' america and it takes one i'll timed event for the whole thing to fall back into taboo. One case of child-animal somedy, a beastality video propigated by PETA, etc. I feel that there are two remaning true taboos. Beastality and Canabilisim. Canibalisim is becoming more so accapted my society, however still on a creepy scary level. Beastality has steped into the humurous level as you mentioned. Possibly in our lifetimes beastality will be as 'normal' as being gay. Hopefully.
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QUOTE (Dogbert @ Jun 16 2005, 05:41 AM) I feel that there are two remaning true taboos. Beastality and Canabilisim. Dont forget about in st
even in**st is becoming more accepted in the media.references to incestuous couples and blatant [CENSOR] story lines in british soap operas are rampant. i dont think there's a single popular soap opera in britain that hasn't had an incestuous pair of characters
canabalism? yikes -I'm outta here....
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Zoo Ref in movies:there are also Loaded Weapon which had the main character openly discussing his relationship with his golden retriever girl. Also in Four Weddings and A Funeral one of them shares that he is in love with their dog. There has been a few more movies lately that has shown this trend of showing zoo and how zoophiles think and how they can feel, what they try and hide from the public eye.When it comes to Homosexuality you also have the comedy series with Ellie (I think it's called) she runs a bookstore and has come out as lesbian, and I think the episode where she kissed a girlfriend caused quite a good TV Rating.Cannabilism: They do say that it's supposed to taste of chicken. That must mean that chickens taste of humans.. Hmmm.There is a movie on this theme which is based on a true story, called "Alive" and it's about a plane crash in the Andes and they were forced to eat the other passangers in order to survive. I have not seen this film yet even though it's old but I have heard that all the survivors of this crash live in the same area and are still very close to eachother. It must have been some big ordeal for them all. Then again this was under hard circumstances where it's needed to survive. Yet does that make it more acceptable than if it'd be having a good friend fur dinner? (as Hannibal Lector says in "Silence of The Lambs"Keep in mind, There are animals which do each their own kind. The praying Mantis eats her lover even during sex. Spiders tend to do the same. Must be terrible fate.
Not to raise to many questions here but, humans are reported to taste more like pig with a been texture. Cannibals of explorer days had a special name for the human which refelected this taste, the 'long pig'. As we do look rather like long pigs when you think about it. The trends run that a person has sweet er meat the less meats the y eat and more veggies they eat, the younger they are rather than older, female over male, and darker skin over lighter (the pigments relese more vitiman D which helps the muscles to soften when aging after death.). I'll leave it all with that seeing that its off of topic. If anyone has more quesstions about cannibalisim just let me know, two years solid research during pre-med on the subject and four additional of independant. , yeah no life i know.
QUOTE (k9guy86 @ Jun 16 2005, 06:15 AM) QUOTE (Dogbert @ Jun 16 2005, 05:41 AM) I feel that there are two remaning true taboos. Beastality and Canabilisim. Dont forget about in st I guess you can add necrophilia to the list.
Zoo/Bestiality has a difrent status than other taboos, if you see cannibalism in a picture it allways has a gruesome backround, think of the picture of Saturn devouring his children (black backround, the face of Saturn is that of a madman), now think of Romulus and Remus being fed by the She wolf, the kids look happy and the wolf looks protective, like a feral mother, I remember scenes with Pan and nymphs, or other of the kind with centaurs that look if not tender highly erotic and inviting, something you might want to put in your living room, personally I've never seen a necrophylic painting or sculpture, dead guys are allways placed in a chaste and christian like state of rest, if you think about it, zoophilia is something people flirts with all the time, but are allways too shy to go with!I wanted to meet a Navy SEAL, untill I found out they are all soldiers
QUOTE (southflorida @ Jun 16 2005, 03:09 PM) canabalism? yikes -I'm outta here.... He's probably referring to cannibalism as in those cultures who believe that eating their dead enables the lost loved one's spirit to live on within them, not the sociopathic serial killer psychoes who kill people to eat them And [CENSOR] is more a matter of instinctive disgust evolved in order to prevent too much heavy inbreeding. Most sci-fi authors are of a mind that when birth control reaches a near-perfect level of sophistication, that particular taboo is going to dissolve completely. Isaac Asimov himself wrote about it in his "Foundation" and "Robot" series. (Asimov is considered one of the fathers of modern science fiction, for those who don't know)
When it comes to cannibalisim your right. Its more of a cultural shock to us to think of somone eating thier relitives. However to them its as normal as going to a wake for us. On the subject of beastality I read some where, I really wish I coudl remember where, that tribes engaged in beastality. The wich docotrs consumed the seman aquired through such public acts. The seam is quite healthy when it comes down to it, nutirients and so fourth contained within improved the health of the witch doctors. Thus the wichdoctors claimed to be favored by the gods beacuse they were of superior health. To us this is again a curturaul shock. To the culture they are accustomed to the act as a normal act, prestigous more importantly. I really wish I coudl remember where I read that. It was a report on the history of beastality. It was a logn tiem ago I I can't remember uggg.
QUOTE (Mr.Bloke @ Jun 14 2005, 11:46 AM) So last night I was watching American Pie 3, American wedding. There were a few bestiality references in the movie especially when stiffler has his balls licked by a dog and it appears that while all that's going on, Jim's humping the dog from behind.Anyway what im trying to get at is that there's been alot of similar references in the media be it on Tv or magazines or even radio.In my media studies days when we studied politics and law, we learnt of how propoganda is spread using media, how homosexuality was made acceptable throught the last 30 decades due to the media Desensitizing the public by making such things normal. and it starts off as such:First they bring the issue into the limelightThey Make The issue light hearted by making it humorousThey Make The Issue Commonplace by making it a theme in mediaThey Create Icons who are recognised by the mainstreamThey make it acceptable by making it a part of mediaSo we're pretty much on stage 2 now (please dont quote me on the steps, it's been a while since i was studying hehehe)Anyway i thought i'd throw this topic out so we can discuss Please add your thoughts QUOTE Anyway what im trying to get at is that there's been alot of similar references in the media be it on Tv or magazines or even radio.I totally agree. Infact, the American Kennel Club's slogan is "more ways to enjoy your dog" Personally, I think that it should be our slogan. Anyway, there a few more that I have noticed but I have forgotten what they are specifically but when I either remember or see them again, I will bring them to your attention.--Canineophile
Do you really think that the worlds different governments care so much about bestiality, that they would launch themselves off on a long and difficult quest to educate the masses into accepting beast lovers......come on.With homosexuality there was a different need. People were getting beaten up on a regular basis and some were even getting killed because back then it was cool to hate the gay community. Now its cool for men to wear pink and openly marry the same sex almost everywhere.The same need to educate the masses to the existance of beast lovers does not exist. People know it goes on but nobody is getting the pitch forks out and starting witch hunts in the same way as they once did for the gay people.As for the media making light of the subject...........they also make light of war, murder, rape, canablism, shooting, stabing, race, religeon.....you name it, its all there buddy.Dont hold your breath for a change in public atitudes towards us and dont go throwing celebration partys because some nut case marries his pet on Jerry springer. Nothing will change. It will always be underground.Still....it is nice to dream though.Red.
QUOTE (Svadilfari @ Jun 18 2005, 01:41 AM) Keep in mind, There are animals which do each their own kind. The praying Mantis eats her lover even during sex. Spiders tend to do the same. Must be terrible fate. to chose between a gruesome death and a life without sex, whoo, tough call.
[QUOTE=volgmant1 Posted on Jul 30 2005, 03:35 AM [QUOTE=Svadilfari @ Jun 18 2005, 01:41 AM]Keep in mind, There are animals which do each their own kind. The praying Mantis eats her lover even during sex. Spiders tend to do the same. Must be terrible fate. [/QUOTE]to chose between a gruesome death and a life without sex, whoo, tough call. [/QUOTE]Ahh that is so very true. Being as highly sexual as I am it's indeeed a great difficult call.
Do you remember the beer commercial A heavy stout built male dancing with his great dane in the kitchen. That was an attempt at humor and desensitization and commonality all at once -- I think it went badly for them. It was not on long.
This is a nice topic, I also believe we are all being desensitized to Beast/Zoo acts. Same thing goes with the Furry Fandom. Everywhere you look it's hard not to see something that doesn't represent an Anthro. Cartoons (almost all), Cereal Box's, Candy bars, --Coca-Cola -- (The bear, how it has an Anthro appearance and attributes on the christmas special ones). Which I also say the more Animal we are exposed to in media the closer to expectancy we are to Zoophilia based lifestyles.Such a wonder the media is!
I think the mass has just found another thing to laugh at, because gays are now accepted and there is no more fun if they can defend themselves in cases of mockery.The 'desensitizing' theory makes sense. But to be sure it will remain for some time, it must in in some people interrest. And that's exactly where I'm stuck : whose interrest to 'promote' zoophilia ? Ecologists ? PETA ? Who ?OK, something have to made to save earth from decay, but saving animals is far from being a major concern of 'economical interrest' for any country.*MY* theory of the 'complot', close to the 'desensitizing' theory, it's governement leaders knows earth cannot handle 10 billions citizens, and are slownly promoting non reproductive relationships (homosexuality, zoophilia, ...) to try to decrease birth rate. It's that or global starvation in less than 50 years...MaFPAzOl © 2005
I must say, that is a logical theory MaFPAzOl. That makes quite a bit sense.. and sense we are on theories.. I got one ... Most of the major world leaders are Zoophilias.. and since the public is what holds the strongest power in what is acceptable and not, they are making it acceptable! =OI love making theories.. btw MaFPAzOl.. Nice ©xD
I know this is a flash from the past But, I think it holds relevance to another thread that is 'hot' right now. SouthFlorida also has a link on p1 to another thread that discuses movies pretty well also. This could also use some updating. Famly Guy, brian and jillian? yeah you tohought of what it would be like too, i'm not alone
Another movie that makes light of zoo/beastiality is "Sleeping Dogs Lie (2006)". The whole movie revolves around the girlfriend "coming out" to her boyfriend...I just thought this was one of the most "to the point" mainstream movies I've seen to date. I was impressed by that alone, although can't say I liked the move too much..
Well, albeit, this has occurred for sexualities that are ostracized now.People will always see there's something wrong. With homosexuality in, zoosexuality is certainly out. Even if one is homosexually zoosexual - according to them, animals don't have genders so homosexual zoosexuality is inexistent and they just label it 'bestiality'May be or may be not.
QUOTE (southflorida @ Jun 16 2005, 05:09 PM) canabalism? yikes -I'm outta here.... ..wimp
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