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Ponder this... It has been in all of or times that homosex was illegal or considered a abomination around the world. Yet public opinion changes. Open homosex in many countries is now normal, with many tv showas having openly gay couples in staring roles. The gay liberation started (I think) about 30 years ago with the police raid on "Stonewall" in San Francisco. Now there love is protected from discrimination by law (Most industrialized naitons) So, when will our love recive the same protection?What will be our Stonewall? I know the same could be said of pedophilia but what im refering to is the consentual sex between man/animal.Give me you thoughts...
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There's one HUGE difference between zoophilia and homosexuality.It is animals..I remember how many times I've been told on forums that I "use" animals as sex toys because I'm too lame to get myself a girlfriend......Also,don't forget the animal rights warriors,they are something gays didn't have to "fight" with (I mean,who protected a gay's lover? ((who was also a human)) )Hope you get what I mean "So, when will our love recive the same protection?"Not in this life.
Hello One day we will be accepted. But several things have to happen first. 1) people need to realize that we are a community and that there are to many of us to be ignored. 2) The media needs to stop painting such a dark picture of us. All of the times that you hear of zoophilia in the new it is always something bad. Something like "The accused raped the animal" 3) And lastly I firmly believe that as zoophiles we need to find a way to seperate ourselves from beastialists. And when I say that the people who I am referring to are those who use animals solely for sex, those who do not care for the animal and what they are feeling and those who force an animal to do things that it does not want to do. Until these things happen there is no hope of us even being tolerated. There is hope though. A new yahoo group has been started for this reason in particular. The group is titled zoophiles destiny and you can link to it through clicking on the www button under this post. Currently we are only trying to see how many members we can get. The group was started on Feb 29 and we now have 43 members. Once we get an overwhelming amout of members we will see what we can do. When ever that happens we will decide as a group what the next step should be. If you consider yourself to be a zoophile then it is in your best interest to sign up. You may one day be surprised by what a couple of clicks can do.
Well said ---2---!! There inst much left to add so i just stay silent
One thing that bothers me is that one of our major detractors also cares about animals - vets. Yet they think they're right, and we're wrong, and a lot of people will trust a vet's word over ours.Zoos love their animals, we don't just fuck them. We care about them, and may even risk our life for them. So I don't appreciate someone who thinks they're superior because they have the word DOCTOR in front of their name. We are looking at animal care from two different perspectives - clinical vs. emotional. They care about our animals for ten or fifteen minutes a year, unless something major occurs - we care about them 24/7.
QUOTE (sjpor @ Mar 11 2004, 08:43 PM) One thing that bothers me is that one of our major detractors also cares about animals - vets. Yet they think they're right, and we're wrong, and a lot of people will trust a vet's word over ours.Zoos love their animals, we don't just fuck them. We care about them, and may even risk our life for them. So I don't appreciate someone who thinks they're superior because they have the word DOCTOR in front of their name. We are looking at animal care from two different perspectives - clinical vs. emotional. They care about our animals for ten or fifteen minutes a year, unless something major occurs - we care about them 24/7. You really couldn't of said it better.
Sadly all of that doesnt count when it comes to sexual abuse You could risk your life to save your dog but in the second someone says you're having intercourse with your dog your are 'sick' an [EMAIL REMOVED - USE THE PRIVATE MESSAGE SYSTEM], abuser and so on...
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QUOTE (Honeyraptor @ Mar 11 2004, 10:23 PM) Sadly all of that doesnt count when it comes to sexual abuse You could risk your life to save your dog but in the second someone says you're having intercourse with your dog your are 'sick' an 'r@pist', abuser and so on... And that is something that saddens me to my core. I hate thinking about how my love is percieved among the general public. That is something that truly saddens me.
And somehow it shows me how much better animals can be! They dont judge you because you're not normal cause you love a dog instead another closedminded human...
QUOTE (Honeyraptor @ Mar 11 2004, 10:36 PM) And somehow it shows me how much better animals can be! They dont judge you because you're not normal cause you love a dog instead another closedminded human... You are completely right. Discovering this love has brought me closer to dogs. I love them all so much now where as before I did not. So much good can truly come from so much darkness.
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Where light is is also darkness!And i concider the love i enjoy with my Benny and all my past loves as the brightest light of my life! I dont care for the darkness that is the rest of the world who judges us by rules that will never fit except to their own blindness for real love...
Personaly I think its the zoophile's that brought up the animal rights.In my own opion of course, but if there were no zoophile's.What would this world be without them?
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QUOTE (Honeyraptor @ Mar 11 2004, 10:52 PM) Where light is is also darkness!And i concider the love i enjoy with my Benny and all my past loves as the brightest light of my life! I dont care for the darkness that is the rest of the world who judges us by rules that will never fit except to their own blindness for real love... Until we can be understood darkness will haunt out paths. It is up to us to light our way.
I don't get it they keep on about abuse at that crap but the animals surely enjoy our love!
A big thing that has to happen first:Perhaps there will come a day when the law in the U.S. will recognize that the only function of the State in regard to marriage is to publicly validate the choices made by consenting adults; then it will get out of the Religion business (where it has no business being, in my "separation of Church & State" opinion). Then LET the Churches refuse to marry me because I have red hair if they want; I don't give a shit!This will allow people to live with the partners they want to, without the State having to pass a moral judgement on them, which it shouldn't be doing anyway....Perhaps when we have gotten that far, perhaps then people will look more kindly upon our love. But I don't think it could happen before then, and certainly not in my lifetime....Doglet"Scratch a Dog and you'll find a permanent job." Franklin P. Jones
Doglet, your post reminded me of a personal experience I had. My partner and I wanted to marry and I wanted the ceremony to take place in the same church my parents were married in. I was told by the pastor that the religion I was BY BIRTH a member of, would NOT marry us as we had had a child together out of wedlock, even though we had been in a committed relationship for 7 years!My best friend is a homosexual. He hid his true self for 28 years before he felt that he was stong enough to cope with the backlash his 'coming out' would cause. And still then never imagined how much his sexual.....persuasion?...would be an issue in his trying to live his life, even today.As much as I would love PUBLIC acceptance of the fact that I AM a zoo, I just cant see it happening in my lifetime. That fact makes me sad because being a zoo is such a small part of who I am and yet I KNOW it would be the biggest part on which I would be judged.
QUOTE (Animal Lover @ Mar 15 2004, 07:21 PM) I don't get it they keep on about abuse at that crap but the animals surely enjoy our love! Are you born with it, or are you just acting?
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I hope for a tolerant world on everything sexual ( between equal partners )....But I think this won't happen soon....Depends on changes in the society. Just think about it, homosexuality was not a big issue in ancient greek and the roman empire....Animals had godlike status in ancient egypt, cats especially in the form of the goddess Bastet. They were a lot nearer to zoophilia and sexual tolerance then we are now. Currently we are close to sexual tollerance, especially in Europe, but who can tell what will happen in 10 or 20 years....Will there be a complete denial of sex ( don't laugh, just think of HIV/AIDS ) ? Or a new religious fanatism in christianity ?....
Well I think that zoo's shuld stand up and make there marks like gay's did.. But coming from a Scandinavian contry I dont face the same problem as many of you. It is legal in Denmark and Iceland to have sexual contat with animals, as long as you dont hurt them. I cant remember if it is legal in Sweden and Norway, but I am pritty sure that it is legal there as well.
Unfortunately, this won't happen for a VERY long time.Zoophilia wasn't illegal in France, only hurting animals was (which is just the right law IMO), and the right-wing government changed this last month to two years in jail and 30.000 euros to pay.A huge step backwards ...
QUOTE (Fokker @ Mar 17 2004, 01:25 AM) Well I think that zoo's shuld stand up and make there marks like gay's did.. But coming from a Scandinavian contry I dont face the same problem as many of you. It is legal in Denmark and Iceland to have sexual contat with animals, as long as you dont hurt them. I cant remember if it is legal in Sweden and Norway, but I am pritty sure that it is legal there as well. It is still legal in Sweden to have sex with animals, though some of the parties wants to make it illegal, but as in most cases, it is the lack of knowledge and understanding of zoophilia that is causing most damage. They have their minds set and can't change it no matter what happens.I don't know if we can stand up like the Gay community did, as gays were interacting with other humans, which They say can speak their mind and also say that we interprete what animals say in our ways, and not "the true way" as they want to hear it.They are not seeing the animals behaviour nor are the recognising the patterns. So sadly I don't think that we will be that understood and as a species are proned to be intollerant to things which are different.I do agree with you, and in old time Europe, there were marriage rituals and sexual rituals between man and animal. Although very tragic in the ending, and not something that I like, there are two old rituals which spring to mind:1. The old indo-germanic mare-ritual. used by celts and some others. The king (actually a prisoner, yet acting in the kings place) would have full sex with a white mare, before an audience, representing the marriage and consumating of such. The mare would sadly be killed and eaten by the tribe afterwards.2. The Indic Asvamedha ritual. As far as I know in old time India. A stallion would be brought out, and be in a pasture for a full year, with a herd of mares, but he was not allowed to breed any, and there were people there to make sure of that. After the year, the stallion would be brought into a room, where the queen was, and only women allowed in there. The stallion would be laid down and be covered by a large blanket, with the queen, and the women around would be saying sexual sentences and stuff, indicating sex. The stallion would afterwards be killed.
It'll be a looooooooong time untill zoophila/bestiality is accepted ito the communtiy!They have to realise we are not just fucking the animals, we care and love them like a "normal" couple!
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Well I think it will need a dramatical change in the society if sex with animals will become legal. Although I notice that more and more comercials and movies are using it to sell. Maybe this is a good sign (more people getting used to the idea) but it can also have a negative effect like confirming the cliches . I agree the biggest problem is that society consider us as sexualy frustrated people who [CENSOR] animals and stuff. Sometimes we're being compared with child rapers or necrophiles and this makes me sooooo angry Well SM was also very taboo a couple of years ago and now it's more accepted although I don't think you can compare the 2 at all. That stuff I heared from you guys (like the stuff in France, damn simba that must hurt) about penalizing bestiality sucks bigtime, a huge step backwards damn
I have traveled the world and I have noticed this. Some countries zoo is legal and some not.The countries where it's legal. In every case. The locally accepted religon accepts animals as a part of living, life, and having souls.Where it is not. In every case. The local religon says no, animals have no souls.In one primative tribal group I met. It was not illegal, but on the rare occasions it was observed everyone talked about it. Not shunning or imprisioning, just poor so-and-so did this and can we help with the problem.I've also noticed the activists always pick the most advanced lands. With the best media coverage and the most available money to stage their demonstrations.
QUOTE (clweed @ Mar 20 2004, 11:43 PM) I have traveled the world and I have noticed this. Some countries zoo is legal and some not.The countries where it's legal. In every case. The locally accepted religon accepts animals as a part of living, life, and having souls.Where it is not. In every case. The local religon says no, animals have no souls.In one primative tribal group I met. It was not illegal, but on the rare occasions it was observed everyone talked about it. Not shunning or imprisioning, just poor so-and-so did this and can we help with the problem.I've also noticed the activists always pick the most advanced lands. With the best media coverage and the most available money to stage their demonstrations. It is indeed through the mass media that most of the misconceptions are made about us. I can tell you though that if they were ever able to open their eyes they would be blinded by the light that shines off of us. Never before have I been more proud to be a zoo. This community is the most caring, most selfless out there. The beauty that shines of of all of you people touches me right down to my soul. The only shame of this all is that we seem to be the only ones who are able to recognize it. Hopefully one day the world will open their eyes to us and realize that we are good people.
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clweed: Hmm, that reminds me of something i expeareanced back when i was still visitng church to get confirmated (sp?)I had a rather rough debate with our priest about the topic of souls and if everything has one. I said everything in which live flows has a sould and the preist denyed it.Lets make it short at the end he said if god wanted every being to be equal qith us he would have only created humans I think in the moment everyone - no matter of which race, religion, etc - has to accept and admit that animals have a sould they will have to accept that animals are equal to us!IMHO one of the biggest reasons we zoos arnt accepted is that so many cant understand why we would want to have sex or love a being that is lower then a human! Just take the so often used phrase: "Its just a dog!"If those people who think that way would have to accept that a dog has a soul just like a human they would see how wrong that phrase is! Just imagine one would say: Hey its just a human! (i did that once when a guy got overrun by a car and damn you should have seen those looks. If they would have been able to [CENSOR] i wouldnt write this...) To me there is no diference between a human and a animal, both breath, both eat, both bleed and both die... Where is the difference?!?Like you said, in most of those regions where relegion accepts that animals have souls its zoophilia is legal - where not its illegal.(I think i gonna add this point to my thoughts about relegion)I think one of the most importand things to make our likings and loves legal is to show those believers that an animal is equal to any human!!And i believe that is way more difficult then to make our lifestyle legal...
honeyraptor, sed: Where light is is also darkness!And i concider the love i enjoy with my Benny and all my past loves as the brightest light of my life! I dont care for the darkness that is the rest of the world who judges us by rules that will never fit except to their own blindness for real love...[/SIZE][/COLOR] ____________________________________________________amen, and amen, honey... with few exceptions, my best and most reliable friends in my life have been my pets, dogs, and cats... i currently own no dogs but am "owned" by 4 cats... (does anyone truly own a cat??? ) anyway, ive had to be careful myself in past because i was in a field which looks down on this type of relationship, and actually saw some in military jail among other things, sodomy (where any not "normal" sexual activity fell in the military...) but i felt i was protecting all fellow countymen, not just the ones who were "normal" or didnt practice "perversions" you and your love for your benny and past loves are beautiful in my eyes, and i salute you dear... cunninglinguist
Ponder this... It has been in all of or times that homosex was illegal or considered a abomination around the world. Yet public opinion changes. Open homosex in many countries is now normal, with many tv showas having openly gay couples in staring roles. The gay liberation started (I think) about 30 years ago with the police raid on "Stonewall" in San Francisco. Now there love is protected from discrimination by law (Most industrialized naitons) _________________________________________________________So, when will our love recive the same protection? i am sad to say, i believe never... or at the very least, well past our lifetimes... there will always be those who do understand, or at least tolerate our interests and proclivities without judging, but the vast majority will be against it and that is why there are so many laws in this land and across other nations against and if not prosecuting, the persecuting zoo's.my best advise would be DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH!!!cunninglinguist
QUOTE (Honeyraptor @ Mar 21 2004, 12:19 AM) I think one of the most importand things to make our likings and loves legal is to show those believers that an animal is equal to any human!!And i believe that is way more difficult then to make our lifestyle legal... I agree completely with this HR. This is definately a huge roadblock. Until people can understand the depth an animal's love has then there is very little hope. Animals are equal to us in many ways. We need to open people's eyes.
Consider the controversy surrounding the gay marriage thing and then ponder what would happen if we tried to push our issue.....sorry folks, but i just dont see it happening.Guns
cunninglinguist: Thanks Sadly i live in a different country but hey, wheres the difference - we are all humans arnt we? ---2---: Well i think the possibility that we and our love will be accepted some day is way bigger then that we will be able to prove that animals have a soul!Sadly there are still to many closedminded people out there who cant and dont want to accept that there is something equal to the 'allmighte - perfect - unique - godchild' human As long as so many people still believe in the words of someone who 'learend' and got 'taught' to believe into a higher being we will allways run against walls... (NOTE: This wasnt ment as an attack towards any believers or members of a relegion!)Gunslinger: Those controversy arnt happening everywhere. There are countrys where noone cares anymore if someone is gay or not or if he/she wants to marry another gay. I might be only 24 but in my life i've seen countrys come and go, i've seen people get in charge and leave. When i was young it was 'bad' to be gay and getting called to be gay was one of the worsed things that could happen to someone. Now noone longer cares if he gets called like that, gay or not its normal, it became a part of the world.There are so many things that became 'normal' im sure one day our love will also be 'normal' - though i still doubt that we will be completly accepted by the majority...
Just to point out an inaccuracy, homosexuality has not always been illegal or despised by society, that is a fairly recent change in the history of humanity that because popular around the time of patriarchy.If you look back to the ancient greek culture, you will find that the love of a young male was considered the most beautiful form and that the relationship (sexual and not) between a younger man and an older one was considered to be the most rewarding and desired. Men only married and had relations with their wives for the begetting of children.If you look to the island of Lesbos in Greece, the word lesbian comes from there. It was well known to be a haven for women who were lovers together and honoured women loving women.In modern times, the reason why male homosexuality was outlawed goes back to the time of Queen Victoria of England. She outlawed sex between men but not women because as she saw it, that could not possibly happen (women don't have penises).As for sex with animals, well it has always happened. One of the reasons it was believed God destroyed Sodom was because the people had become so corrupt, they were considered to be having sexual relations with animals instead of each other. Its not the actual reason, but one that has been handed down. (Well, it all depends on whether you believe in god or not...but that's another issue.)michelle
I have had many gay and lesbian freinds in my life, and some very good freinds, they knew where i stood, and that was iti have never held any predjudice one sexuallity, race or religion, what you do or believe in is your business as long as it hurts no one else.but in saying that we get to the acceptance of homosexuallity, yes it is great that they are being accepted, but it took some one to start it by standing up to be countedmy point is, who among us is willing to stand up and say what they are and that they wish to be accepted, and unfortunatly, untill someone does and faces the legal system and society.............it wont even look like changingmichelle in chainz, you come from the same country as me, just a queastion, would you consider telling your family and friends you were gay, (if that was the case)and then would you tell them that you were a zoo
it's very interesting, as a gay man, to read this thread. I think you answer your own questions just by the nature of your question itself. There is still a huge stigma associated with being gay, thus your using it to compare to another stimatized lifestyle... and hiv was immediately associated back to gays too -if it is sooo popular to be gay -why is it that whenever a contraversial human rights question arises it immediately reverts back to gays??? once out of the woods, it seems the world forgets the struggle - stonewall became infamous (btw -it was NYC not SanFran) because it was a slaughter -we were beaten stoned and even killed -these men (and women) were the epitomy of courage -they took a stance and fought to the death -them against the world -but don't ever forget my friends -you don't get a medal for saving your own ass -you just get to see another day... the struggle was survival -not acceptance. and that applies to hiv too. We watched our best friends die -and we watched our new best friends die too -and then again! and again! and again and again!@#! I'm not so sure you can realize the struggle we have endured -in fact I am certain that you can not -you have zero idea what we have endured -it's sometimes still even inconcievable to ourselves -and then there was the salt in the open wounds -before we could finish grieving we became the scapegoats -I can assure you that it was not fashionable to be gay in the 80's -or even know a gay man -it was like leoparsy -it's so easy to kick a man when he is down... and once again we endured -the gay man is now the lowest hiv contracting minority in the world -but I am here to remind you of the cost...-as of yet there are few witch hunts for zoos as it remains predominately behind closed doors -and so I ask you -are you sure you want to open those doors? are your willing to sustain the casulaties of war?
if you could prove that animals are people excpet they just carnt talk human then you could morally argue with the goverments and courts that its right.
Not in this lifetime.....
Honestly, people will always judge what they don't understand....I know that in the end everyone will find something that will make them happy. If the person and the animal is happy, why does it matter in the end?
It will never be legal. BTW the Stonewall INN incident happened in Greenwich Village in NYC NY. Not San Franscisco!
QUOTE (michelle_in_chainz @ Mar 28 2005, 04:02 AM)Just to point out an inaccuracy, homosexuality has not always been illegal or despised by society, that is a fairly recent change in the history of humanity that because popular around the time of patriarchy.Er... you do realize how silly that is, right? Ancient Greece was far more patriarchical than modern civilization. Women were often treated as property (yes, there are exceptions, but exceptions do not make up a rule).It's rather amusing to me to hear someone call today's society -- one of the most woman-friendly societies in known history -- a patriarchy. Maybe we still are, but only nominally. These days, it's women, for the most part, who are revered and worshipped as good and wholesome and perfect, and men who are seen as stupid and venal and unworthy. Doubt me? Go on any college campus and try to give a lecture on "men's rights." You may want to wear body armor...No, while ancient Greece was far more tolerant of male homosexuality than modern society is, it isn't because it was somehow less patriarchical. In fact, if you read Plato or others of the era, you'll see that it's because the love of a man for a man was seen as morally superior to the love of a man for a woman. Because, in fact, in their eyes, women themselves were inferior -- put there primarily to make babies. Hardly a woman-friendly society.On topic, people have always feared those who are different, so I don't frankly see this behavior as ever really "coming out of the closet." It may eventually become legal (don't hold your breath), but I really don't ever see society at large as accepting it. We're simply too deeply programmed to fear and hate what's different...
"I "use" animals as sex toys because I'm too lame to get myself a girlfriend......"Better than being told that you are acting out because of being abused as a child.The stuff people come up with to belittle our lifestyle is never flattering.I don't think we'll ever see widespread acceptance. The best we can do is be there for one another.
Beastiality will never be made legal in developed counties. That's because animals are considered a lower species that needs to be protected. Our society doesn't sanction adults engaging in sexual intercourse with children, why would they sanction it with "dumb animals"? Legal, never. Homosexuality is different since its between consenting adults.
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I don't think it will happen.
QUOTE (Eagleclaw @ Apr 29 2005, 12:41 PM)Beastiality will never be made legal in developed counties. That's because animals are considered a lower species that needs to be protected. Our society doesn't sanction adults engaging in sexual intercourse with children, why would they sanction it with "dumb animals"? Legal, never. Homosexuality is different since its between consenting adults.I 100% agree. Because an animal can not tell you "don't" or "no" means you are using an animal that can not tell you what they or don't like or do or don't want. I'm a female, if i'm having sex with a dog then by all rights he's having sex with me. He's following a basic primal urge to mate and i'm reaping the benefits. It's seen as sadistic and wrong. the difference between beast and zoo will never be fully realized because most people are too afraid of things in their own right, or because they hide behind God.
QUOTE (Eagleclaw @ Apr 29 2005, 05:41 PM) Beastiality will never be made legal in developed counties. That's because animals are considered a lower species that needs to be protected. Our society doesn't sanction adults engaging in sexual intercourse with children, why would they sanction it with "dumb animals"? Legal, never. Homosexuality is different since its between consenting adults. It's legal here in the Netherlands (and several other 'developed' countries aswell) - as long as these conservative politicians don't get reminded they wanted to ban it I hope it'll stay that way. Sadly, the trend is to ban it in the few places where it is legal, not to 'unban' it in places where it isn't.
QUOTE (whiskers @ Mar 16 2004, 02:48 PM) . That fact makes me sad because being a zoo is such a small part of who I am and yet I KNOW it would be the biggest part on which I would be judged. I think about this a lot. Every time someone compliments me at work, or on my abiltiies with children, or any number of things, I think how quickly they would forget those good traits if they knew what I really was.
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There's a difference between legal and open. Having sex with an animal in the privacy of your own home is not the same as doing it openly in public. That's why you'll never see legalized beastiality videos. I think the poster means when will beastilaity become open and accepted in society.
QUOTE (Eagleclaw @ Apr 30 2005, 03:28 AM)That's why you'll never see legalized beastiality videos. In my opinion even than, when it will be legalized, a lot of people will NEVER accept us. One time i heard that beastiality videos are legal in holland, I don't know that's true or not maybe someone here knows something about it ?
C'mon people!, lets be optimistic here!, let's look ath the historic lessons, in movies like Ben Hur they managed discreete gayish scenes, nowdays there is the same attitude towards zooishnes (like planet of the apes remake), in ads, movies and so forth.My point is people starts flirting with zooishnes, they start using it in ads, as a joke on movies or on tv series, far better than being something of a big taboo where you can put your own fears, like satanic cults or stuf like thatAll in all we have a LOT of work to do, but I think we are in the right path (besides, we can organize ourselves better and faster since we have the net)[COLOR=blue]Rich man looking for a tolerant woman with a beautifull plase send pictures (of the dog),
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Instead of trying to pursuade people that 'animals are people too' and 'we love our lovers just like you do' it might be easier to point out to them that since dogs (for example) enjoy having many parts of thier bodies scratched, rubbed and/or fingered, then they might enjoy having other parts recieving similar treatment.Putting the emphasis on making the animal feel good might be an easier pill for the public to swallow.Rona.
historically people were fine with zoo the wife to one roman empror even had beast sex in public for her own plesure and that of the mob.But in eurpoe over the last 1500yrs it has been seen as very primal and beastal in nature and not a act of loveing union. The exact same parrales with public attitued can be folowed with the peoples attitueds to sex with moniors an as i sertanly hope we all hear are againts that.Thus i think in most nations there will never be a time when we will be accaept maby we will not be prosecuted but never accepted.
QUOTE (skin2 Posted on May 16 2005 @ 08:00 PM) historically people were fine with zoo the wife to one roman empror even had beast sex in public for her own plesure and that of the mob.But in eurpoe over the last 1500yrs it has been seen as very primal and beastal in nature and not a act of loveing union. Thus i think in most nations there will never be a time when we will be accaept maby we will not be prosecuted but never accepted. And not to forget Skin2, Caligula made love to his stallion a few times, possibly before he made him a senator. I think that during the last 1500 years christianity has been kinda ruling and it's basic thought has been that sex with animals has been connected to areas of witchcraft and devil worship not to forget some think that one is league with demons or devils as it's unnatural. It was also thought that sex with animals WOULD result in offspring which would be highly deformed, but you don't need sex with animals to get deformed children. Look at the Elephantman. I DOUBT that his mom had gotten humped by an elephant.Alos I think that the "line between Man & Animal" got more defined during that era and Man thought of itself as being superior and if one has sex with animals it may mean that they are on the same level as animals.I doubt that all or most nations will be as accepting to Zoos as they are to gays. It may be legal to have sex and make love yet I doubt it'll be as easy to make love on the beach with your eek-wine or K9 wife or hubby. I would prefer as a start that the majority of the human kind would realize our love fur these lovely creatures and not compare our passions with those who are into human children. That they understand that there is a BIG difference between them. SvadilfariSvadilfari
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Thank you Svadilfari i think you put the point more eliganlty than i did but shared the same ponits
Thank you very much Skin2 Just saying the way I feel about this. I feel it sad that the opinion of Zoo is the way it is. They say that they all try and work against all forms of discrimination, but when it comes to Zoo that doesn't seem to apply there. Instead they try and ridicule us. It's always (it seems) easier to make fun of things we don't understand than it is finding out the facts.True that there are those that abuse animals, but they are NOT in my opinion true zoophiles. They may either just see the $$-value of them or the $$ they can bring in, or also just feel that they are better in owning alot of animals but can't be bothered or can't take care of them properly.I also think that ignorance is a very human trait. For many it's easier to not research things to know how things are, to understand the facts fully as that means they have to take a stand. It's also possible that if they actually DID know the facts behind Zoophilia they may actually change their minds and for many it's possibly pride or something else that makes them feel hard to change.It could also be that they feel that they are superior, both in mind and etc to animals making themselves feel special and exclusive. To stand out against the rest. The rest being animals in general.Svadilfari
I do not see this happening in my lifetime. The very fact that we are zoos sets us apart from the rest. How can they ever understand if their minds are not able? Someone with a musical "gift" can not explain how to play music to someone who is tone deaf. It is my understanding that we all (zoos) have a special gift of animal empathy. Trying to explain this to someone who isn't zoo is futile.
QUOTE (Feral @ Jul 28 2005, 11:20 PM) I do not see this happening in my lifetime. The very fact that we are zoos sets us apart from the rest. How can they ever understand if their minds are not able? Someone with a musical "gift" can not explain how to play music to someone who is tone deaf. It is my understanding that we all (zoos) have a special gift of animal empathy. Trying to explain this to someone who isn't zoo is futile. This is kind of closed minded, don't you think? Someone can still be open minded to it and not like it. Saying something like that is making you just like the people who refuse to accept you.How can you expect anyone to understand you if you assume they wont, or automaticly group them into a category of not being able to understand if they do not agree with you?I'm going to give an example here. My boyfriend is not into beast at all. When he found out my interests he didn't like it at all and showed some negative actions against it. What do you think would of happened if I instantly blew him off and didn't give a chance for both of us to voice our opinions? He wouldn't be here now, that's for sure. It would of caused a huge rift in our relationship. But you know what? I gave him a chance and in return, he gave me the same chance. Now, he may not like it, but he accepts that I do like animals.I know not everyone would be able to do this, having an open mind like he did, but if you group *everyone* like that.. then you're never going to find people who accept you.I'm not trying to be negative or anything.. I'm just trying to say, if you want someone else to take a step.. you have to too.
Good point Stub. I often say, (all things considered.....harm, danger, etc....) people don't have to like what others do BUT they should NOT go about preventing that person from indulging in their likes.Having an open mind I can understand and respect someone for not liking zoo. What I don't support is that person judging, condeming or stopping (or trying to stop) others from liking it.
Eventually it will be legalized in North America (assuming this is where most of the people posting here are from). I'm only 20 years old, but I see zoophilia being more and more rampent eveywhere. Movies are hinting at it, TV shows are too, last time I was on the subway reading a local Toronto newspaper, where suprise suprise, there was a whole page and article dedicated to zoophilia. It even mentioned this website in it. It's just looked down upon by society with the above mentioned reasons...oh it's satanic etc etc...raping animals...against their will this and that...but in reality the opposition knows nothing about it. Just like I used to be biased towards homo's, and many people still are, society looks at us the same way. Once someone proves that these animals actually want to hump the shit out of people of their own free will, it will come out into the open and peoples opinions will change...Of course...like someone said here...it probably won't be in this lifetime...I personally don't care anyways...I don't need to parade myself around the streets saying I'm an animal lover...what's important to me is that I can have animals...and what I might or might not do with them (and vice versa) will be in my house behind closed doors. The day they start installing cameras in homes and have "Big Brother" watching...Ill be in trouble
QUOTE (lavalamp777 @ Jul 31 2005, 01:02 AM) Eventually it will be legalized in North America (assuming this is where most of the people posting here are from). I'm only 20 years old, but I see zoophilia being more and more rampent eveywhere. Movies are hinting at it, TV shows are too, last time I was on the subway reading a local Toronto newspaper, where suprise suprise, there was a whole page and article dedicated to zoophilia. It even mentioned this website in it. lava is right. i see/hear about bestiality a lot now a days... not to mention that one time i saw a woman playing with a rottweilers balls at a public dog adoption... everyone saw it. to my suprise, no one stopped her. THAT'S A GOOD SIGN!!!
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