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Posted by Zqwm7 on August 24th 2013, 2:16

Here is a link to a recent arrest made against a zoosexual person in Louisiana (August 2013):http://www.klfy.com/story/23240451/donkey-...tiality-allegedThe man in the story was fence-hopping, and fence-hopping is wrong -- but what makes me angry is that the man was charged with trespassing/burglary AND four counts of "crimes against nature". He should have ONLY been charged with burglary/trespassing, and nothing more. Louisiana's "crimes against nature" law is an archaic B.S. "morality" law that people in that state never got around to repealing. It is an anti-gay and anti-zoo law which should be struck down.Ultimately, people in Louisiana should realize that zoosexual acts are NOT intrinsically "immoral". This is something people in that state don't seem to recognize -- for example, in the above article a person says that human-animal sex is "heinous", a comment which is clearly a form of bigotry, intolerance and discrimination against zoosexual people.Yes, the man was fencehopping, but I get the feeling that even if he WASN'T fencehopping and was having sex with donkeys in his own house somewhere in Louisiana, he could STILL be charged with the stupid and unjust "crimes against nature" law (just like Blake T. Sanderford was in 2012 -- Blake T. Sanderford was arrested in Metairie, Louisiana and charged with breaking Louisiana's unjust "crimes against nature" law).The above Louisiana arrests proves that in that state, people are willing to break the rules of the U.S. constitution and due process in order to satisfy their close-minded, bigoted prejudices and flawed sense of "morality".Side note: Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the United States (higher than the incarceration rate of all other U.S. states). And since the U.S. as a country has the world's highest incarceration rate, I guess that makes Louisiana the world capital of incarceration.

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Posted by BeastLover888 on August 24th 2013, 3:02

*facepalm. This is why fence hopping ruins it for everyone.If he just worked hard for a proper animal mate and the labor of care taking after them, this would have been avoided. We can't expect to change the law right now, so keep it behind closed doors.

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Posted by eleboy7 on August 24th 2013, 5:26

QUOTE (BeastLover888 @ Aug 24 2013, 02:02 AM) *facepalm. This is why fence hopping ruins it for everyone.If he just worked hard for a proper animal mate and the labor of care taking after them, this would have been avoided. We can't expect to change the law right now, so keep it behind closed doors. I totally agree!

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Posted by udpets on August 24th 2013, 5:54

Another reason to be very careful about leaving DNA samples anywhere. In some states you can be forced to submit a swab for records check and archive for just about anything involving a cop and now they are talking about DNA sampling everybody at birth Talk about having something on your "permanent record" you don't want there.

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Posted by NervousAsHell on August 24th 2013, 18:30

QUOTE (BeastLover888 @ Aug 23 2013, 06:02 PM) *facepalm. This is why fence hopping ruins it for everyone.If he just worked hard for a proper animal mate and the labor of care taking after them, this would have been avoided. We can't expect to change the law right now, so keep it behind closed doors. As you pointed out, fence hopping is wrong in more ways than one.Firstly, there are the legal/moral issues involved in trespassing on others' properties. It's not just breaking the law. Trespassing demonstrates that the fence hopper just doesn't care what others want, he cares only for what he wants. He will rationalize that he is "providing a service" to the "lonely" animals who are otherwise denied human sexual contact, etc., but the trespasser is really only interested in sating his own lusts.The other way such a thing is wrong is that it brings negative attention to the issue of bestiality as a whole. If the only press coverage of animal sex are stories involving crimes, the general public gets the impression that only criminals are attracted to animals. That does nobody any good.

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Posted by Stallionlover2013 on August 24th 2013, 19:52

Fully support the law on this one. If someone fence jumps with my animals, I want them held accountable to ALL laws. What I do in my own home is my business. What you do to my animals on my property is also my business, and will be the law's business too."Bestiality is not intrinsically immoral".... but jumping fences to "help some poor unsatisfied animal" IS immoral, illegal, and ruins it for us all.

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Posted by mike weber on August 24th 2013, 22:15

People Have To Be More Care Full When going in a farm that are not there own .I Did It Like 20Time But i was realy carefull when you don't have a female dog or your own land to have a horse i don't see how people can do it

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Posted by Zqwm7 on August 25th 2013, 2:00

QUOTE (Stallionlover2013 @ Aug 24 2013, 06:52 PM) Fully support the law on this one. If someone fence jumps with my animals, I want them held accountable to ALL laws. What I do in my own home is my business. What you do to my animals on my property is also my business, and will be the law's business too."Bestiality is not intrinsically immoral".... but jumping fences to "help some poor unsatisfied animal" IS immoral, illegal, and ruins it for us all. I think everyone agrees that fence-hopping is wrong. But what do people think about "crime against nature" laws and other unjust laws which are used to discriminate against zoosexual people? So in other words, if (in the future) a news story appears about a man in Louisiana who is arrested for having sex with a donkey (his donkey) in his own house, what would people think about that? Would zoosexual people try to support him and fight for his rights, or would they remain in hiding and become more fearful?

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Posted by Stallionlover2013 on August 25th 2013, 2:19

Remain in hiding, if they are smart.

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Posted by marewatcher on August 25th 2013, 2:49

I have stated my feelings on this one before. It is no different than a persons wife/husband, their car, or their house. You are either invited or you are uninvited. Uninvited guests are not welcome, no matter what the circumstances. Trespassing is trespassing!

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Posted by LadyCherokee on August 25th 2013, 3:02

"The man in the story was fence-hopping, and fence-hopping is wrong -- but what makes me angry is that the man was charged with trespassing/burglary AND four counts of "crimes against nature". He should have ONLY been charged with burglary/trespassing, and nothing more. Louisiana's "crimes against nature" law is an archaic B.S. "morality" law that people in that state never got around to repealing. It is an anti-gay and anti-zoo law which should be struck down."Same could be said about other states anti zoo laws like in California or new York also law against nature is now only prositution, minor,public sex, and bestiality are the only sexual acts currently prohibited laws stopping adult gays from sex are illegal unless part of one of the other 4 offenses"Ultimately, people in Louisiana should realize that zoosexual acts are NOT intrinsically "immoral". This is something people in that state don't seem to recognize -- for example, in the above article a person says that human-animal sex is "heinous", a comment which is clearly a form of bigotry, intolerance and discrimination against zoosexual people"While anti zoo bigots are the majority in LA some LA people are not anti zoo such as the beast forum users in LA second that person who called it heinous does not speak for every one"Yes, the man was fencehopping, but I get the feeling that even if he WASN'T fencehopping and was having sex with donkeys in his own house somewhere in Louisiana, he could STILL be charged with the stupid and unjust "crimes against nature" law (just like Blake T. Sanderford was in 2012 -- Blake T. Sanderford was arrested in Metairie, Louisiana and charged with breaking Louisiana's unjust "crimes against nature" law)."It is stupid I totally agree"The above Louisiana arrests proves that in that state, people are willing to break the rules of the U.S. constitution and due process in order to satisfy their close-minded, bigoted prejudices and flawed sense of "morality"."Same with cali,NY,ut,fl and other states that break the constitution for there anti zoo moralitySide note: Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the United States (higher than the incarceration rate of all other U.S. states). And since the U.S. as a country has the world's highest incarceration rate, I guess that makes Louisiana the world capital of incarceration. No an exact city/state area can have a higher rate if said city accounts for higher amount of incarnations

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Posted by mike weber on August 25th 2013, 17:20

QUOTE (Zqwm7 @ Aug 25 2013, 01:00 AM) QUOTE (Stallionlover2013 @ Aug 24 2013, 06:52 PM) Fully support the law on this one. If someone fence jumps with my animals, I want them held accountable to ALL laws. What I do in my own home is my business. What you do to my animals on my property is also my business, and will be the law's business too."Bestiality is not intrinsically immoral".... but jumping fences to "help some poor unsatisfied animal" IS immoral, illegal, and ruins it for us all. I think everyone agrees that fence-hopping is wrong. But what do people think about "crime against nature" laws and other unjust laws which are used to discriminate against zoosexual people? So in other words, if (in the future) a news story appears about a man in Louisiana who is arrested for having sex with a donkey (his donkey) in his own house, what would people think about that? Would zoosexual people try to support him and fight for his rights, or would they remain in hiding and become more fearful? Yeah Man you got it all

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Posted by Zqwm7 on August 28th 2013, 1:58

QUOTE (mike weber @ Aug 25 2013, 04:20 PM) QUOTE (Zqwm7 @ Aug 25 2013, 01:00 AM) QUOTE (Stallionlover2013 @ Aug 24 2013, 06:52 PM) Fully support the law on this one. If someone fence jumps with my animals, I want them held accountable to ALL laws. What I do in my own home is my business. What you do to my animals on my property is also my business, and will be the law's business too."Bestiality is not intrinsically immoral".... but jumping fences to "help some poor unsatisfied animal" IS immoral, illegal, and ruins it for us all. I think everyone agrees that fence-hopping is wrong. But what do people think about "crime against nature" laws and other unjust laws which are used to discriminate against zoosexual people? So in other words, if (in the future) a news story appears about a man in Louisiana who is arrested for having sex with a donkey (his donkey) in his own house, what would people think about that? Would zoosexual people try to support him and fight for his rights, or would they remain in hiding and become more fearful? Yeah Man you got it all This site:http://zeta-verein.de/enIt is the only pro-zoosexual advocacy group (other then "EFA") that I know of which advocates a positive attitude towards non-cruel zoosexual activity. I wish there was an organization like that in the U.S., Canada, Australia, UK, etc -- but the above site (based in Germany) is the only one I am aware of. It is an example of how small the "movement" to legalize zoosexuality is (compared to the much larger "movement" by politicians to ban bestiality for irrational and unjustifiable reasons). Individuals separate from one another are powerless, but when combined into a group, the odds of something occurring (i.e. a more positive attitude towards zoosexuality) become higher -- in theory, anyway.

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Posted by LadyCherokee on August 28th 2013, 2:11

QUOTE .ity. I wish there was an organization like that in the U.S., Canada, Australia, UK, etc -- but the above site (based in Germany) is the only one I am aware of. It is an example of how small the "movement" to legalize zoosexuality is (compared to the much larger "movement" by politicians to ban bestiality for irrational and unjustifiable reasons). Individuals separate from one another are powerless, but when combined into a group, the odds of something occurring (i.e. a more positive attitude towards zoosexuality) become higher -- in theory, anyway.Honestly I don't see why we can't start one . think about it start a blog like zeta that shows the truth about zoo ,report about anti zoosexual laws, allow membership, accept donations, and unite zoos who are against anti zoo laws also I know some companies would support it like maybe baddragon or other companies that make zoo related stuff(like sex toys, hentai, or what not.) So it is a possibility

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Posted by st benard on August 28th 2013, 3:46

QUOTE (LadyCherokee @ Aug 28 2013, 10:11 AM) QUOTE .ity. I wish there was an organization like that in the U.S., Canada, Australia, UK, etc -- but the above site (based in Germany) is the only one I am aware of. It is an example of how small the "movement" to legalize zoosexuality is (compared to the much larger "movement" by politicians to ban bestiality for irrational and unjustifiable reasons). Individuals separate from one another are powerless, but when combined into a group, the odds of something occurring (i.e. a more positive attitude towards zoosexuality) become higher -- in theory, anyway.Honestly I don't see why we can't start one . think about it start a blog like zeta that shows the truth about zoo ,report about anti zoosexual laws, allow membership, accept donations, and unite zoos who are against anti zoo laws also I know some companies would support it like maybe baddragon or other companies that make zoo related stuff(like sex toys, hentai, or what not.) So it is a possibility Unfortunately "you can only talk to those who are willing to listen" and if some individual or group was to stand up and make sympathetic comments to our cause. They would be ridiculed and possible persecuted for having an open mind.

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Posted by Masil on August 28th 2013, 4:01

QUOTE (st benard @ Aug 28 2013, 02:46 AM) QUOTE (LadyCherokee @ Aug 28 2013, 10:11 AM) QUOTE .ity. I wish there was an organization like that in the U.S., Canada, Australia, UK, etc -- but the above site (based in Germany) is the only one I am aware of. It is an example of how small the "movement" to legalize zoosexuality is (compared to the much larger "movement" by politicians to ban bestiality for irrational and unjustifiable reasons). Individuals separate from one another are powerless, but when combined into a group, the odds of something occurring (i.e. a more positive attitude towards zoosexuality) become higher -- in theory, anyway.Honestly I don't see why we can't start one . think about it start a blog like zeta that shows the truth about zoo ,report about anti zoosexual laws, allow membership, accept donations, and unite zoos who are against anti zoo laws also I know some companies would support it like maybe baddragon or other companies that make zoo related stuff(like sex toys, hentai, or what not.) So it is a possibility Unfortunately "you can only talk to those who are willing to listen" and if some individual or group was to stand up and make sympathetic comments to our cause. They would be ridiculed and possible persecuted for having an open mind. No one, and I mean no one in America can be legally hurt from openly supporting zoophilia, the way I see it is open minded and intelligent people will not hate you for supporting zoophilia aslong as you are intelligent enough to formulate an argument that is sound, and if people just hate you anyway, fuck them you don't need them and that even goes for family in my opinion.

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Posted by Stallionlover2013 on August 28th 2013, 12:49

Are you insane? Of COURSE people can be hurt. Many zoos work in the animal professions; do you really think they would have customers if it was public they supported such things? Oh yes, bigotry, racism, and unjustified discrimination... America doesn't have ANY of that.

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Posted by Masil on August 28th 2013, 19:23

QUOTE (Stallionlover2013 @ Aug 28 2013, 11:49 AM) Are you insane? Of COURSE people can be hurt. Many zoos work in the animal professions; do you really think they would have customers if it was public they supported such things? Oh yes, bigotry, racism, and unjustified discrimination... America doesn't have ANY of that. Have you tried it? I certainly have and none of my friends cared, my parents didnt didn't care but I had to cut the rest of my family out, my point is it's not as bad as it seems sure people think it's gross but the vast majority of people have a dont give a shit attatude towards sex, the world isn't as bad as it seems most zoos are just too reclusive to tell. Also the law will protect your right to say you prefer sex with animals aslong as you probably don't own any, if you do own some then please do shut it.

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Posted by Stallionlover2013 on August 29th 2013, 2:18

Do I need to touch a burning log to know I'll get burned?Since I DO work in the animal industry, and DO own animals, I have a lot more to loose than people who do not. I loose my career, professional respect, any chance of working with the animals I love, and potentially loose the animals I own now. NOT a smart choice.

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Posted by Zqwm7 on August 30th 2013, 1:38

QUOTE (Masil @ Aug 28 2013, 03:01 AM) No one, and I mean no one in America can be legally hurt from openly supporting zoophilia, the way I see it is open minded and intelligent people will not hate you for supporting zoophilia aslong as you are intelligent enough to formulate an argument that is sound, and if people just hate you anyway, fuck them you don't need them and that even goes for family in my opinion. You are correct. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects the right to free speech. Only highly unusual situations (like shouting "fire" in a crowded movie theater) are not protected by the First Amendment. Note that this only applies to the USA, and the laws may vary in other countries.However, in spite of First Amendment protections, a person who openly advocates pro-zoosexual sentiments may make people suspicious of that person. So in that sense, it is almost like a Catch-22 (a Catch-22 that has prevented zoosexual people from coming out of the closet -- and it has especially prevented practicing [actively sexual] zoosexual people from coming out).

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Posted by SusanMichelle on August 30th 2013, 2:17

The law is wrong but the forces against beast sex are creative.In Oregon the old laws were all repealed long ago but a new law was passed a few years ago defining with with an animal as animal abuse with significant penalties.In the name of protecting animals from some the made many loving relationships criminal.

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Posted by Zqwm7 on August 30th 2013, 2:26

QUOTE (SusanMichelle @ Aug 30 2013, 01:17 AM) The law is wrong but the forces against beast sex are creative.In Oregon the old laws were all repealed long ago but a new law was passed a few years ago defining with with an animal as animal abuse with significant penalties.In the name of protecting animals from some the made many loving relationships criminal. People should be fighting against these unjust and discriminatory anti-zoosexual laws. The public should be educated about the fact that zoosexual acts are NOT intrinsically "abusive" and that [fill-in-the-blank zoosexual act] does NOT automatically equal "abuse". That is why there need to be more pro-zoosexual advocacy organizations -- organizations which fight to get rid of these bigoted and unfair laws. Pro-zoosexual organizations could also educate the public about why most zoosexual activity is ethical, and why zoosexual people are not the "sick perverts" portrayed by the media and slanderous, ignorant public.Consider also the fact that (in places like Oregon), harmless interspecies sex is banned (due to irrational speciesism), and yet acts which ARE harmful to animals (such as slaughter, hunting, etc) are allowed and encouraged by the law. It is such hypocrisy and it is the opposite of the way it should be.In many ways, the "animal abuse" laws which specifically criminalize ethical interspecies sex between humans and non-human beings are NOT REALLY about "abuse" -- that is just a cover. If they WERE really about abuse, then people would also ban other activities such as hunting and slaughter which are far more harmful to the animal in question. The reason for the creation of these anti-zoosexual "animal abuse" laws is really because of speciesism and anti-zoosexual bigotry and discrimination.

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Posted by Stallionlover2013 on August 30th 2013, 6:13

First off, hunting and slaughter are NOT abusive if done correctly. We live in a meat-eating world. Get used to it. You may disagree and if so that is entirely up to you, and I will completely defend your right to do so. But just because you choose to not eat meat does not mean that everyone else in the world is evil and immoral.Second, as soon as you open your mouth publicly you will be ostracized and marginalized. People WILL NOT support a pro-zoo argument, they won't even listen to it. Individually they may not care or may even be mildly interested in your interest. But publicly NOBODY will come to your defense in a debate. Not even zoos, if they know what's good for them. As soon as you out yourself publicly (not just to a few family members/close friends) you will never get employment in an animal related job again.Heck, even most zoos don't trust other zoos with their animals. Zoos have a well deserved reputation for sex first respect second. Not everyone, don't misread me. But enough to give the reputation. I certainly wouldn't send a dog to an openly zoo groomer, and last time it was posted in a poll, the results were very evenly split. You can't trust them to not take liberties. And if we can't trust each other, how can the general public trust us as a group?

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Posted by Zqwm7 on September 2nd 2013, 21:05

QUOTE (Stallionlover2013 @ Aug 30 2013, 05:13 AM) As soon as you open your mouth publicly you will be ostracized and marginalized. People WILL NOT support a pro-zoo argument, they won't even listen to it. Individually they may not care or may even be mildly interested in your interest. But publicly NOBODY will come to your defense in a debate. Not even zoos, if they know what's good for them. As soon as you out yourself publicly (not just to a few family members/close friends) you will never get employment in an animal related job again.Heck, even most zoos don't trust other zoos with their animals. Zoos have a well deserved reputation for sex first respect second. Not everyone, don't misread me. But enough to give the reputation. I certainly wouldn't send a dog to an openly zoo groomer, and last time it was posted in a poll, the results were very evenly split. You can't trust them to not take liberties. And if we can't trust each other, how can the general public trust us as a group? Actually, this kind of pessimism and lack of hopefulness may be what is perpetuating the "zoo-in-the-closet" situation where more than 99% of zoosexual people hide in the closet. Because all the zoos are hiding and never try to explain themselves, the anti-zoos take over the public narrative and therefore the public only hears what the anti-zoos have to say. If more pro-zoosexual people spoke up, maybe people wouldn't be so close-minded.

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Posted by Stallionlover2013 on September 2nd 2013, 23:06

I'm perfectly happy closeted and so are my animals. Why do something that will cost me the freedom we enjoy? Kinda stupid.

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Posted by RoanMare on September 5th 2013, 6:42

I, honestly, have no problem treating my barn like Las Vegas, and will not advocate for my sexual orientation no matter if I believe it's ingrained genetically or not.Zoophilia touches a violent chord in too many people I come in contact with. And for the record, I do work in the animal industry.

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