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Text from article:QUOTE according to Louisiana State Police. The Jefferson Parish Animal Shelter has taken custody of the dog.Blake T. Sanderford posted a video of the act on the Internet, investigators said.The 21-year-old Jefferson Parish man was arrested Wednesday for "crimes against nature and aggravated cruelty to animals," according to information from Trooper Melissa Matey.The investigation is ongoing and additional charges may be forthcoming, she stated in a news release.The arrest of Sanderford followed a complaint made to State Police that the suspect was videotaping the act with the dog.Troopers assigned to the Bureau of Investigations later found "computer evidence of Sanderford engaged in sexual activity with the dog," according to Matey.Computers were seized. More forensic examinations are being conducted, Matey said.Sanderford remained in jail Thursday night on $11,000 in total bond -- $1,000 for the crimes against nature charge and $10,000 for the cruelty to an animal charge -- officials said.
What I find most ridiculous about this is that his neighbour is apparently the one who watched the video online and then reported him. Meaning his neighbour is either in serious denial or a pathetic busybody who gets off on watching zoo porn in the hope he'll see someone he recognises.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Jan 25 2012, 11:07 AM)What I find most ridiculous about this is that his neighbour is apparently the one who watched the video online and then reported him. Meaning his neighbour is either in serious denial or a pathetic busybody who gets off on watching zoo porn in the hope he'll see someone he recognises.This is the version I found on one of the stories - an out of state source notifying State Police - not sure where the mention of a neighbor fits with this? QUOTE The pictures were reportedly spotted by a web surfer outside of Louisiana who notified authorities who then began focusing on the victim's home. Either way it's pretty sad that there are people out there with nothing better to do than trawl sites they despise looking for people whose lives they can ruin. Unfortunately it's also a caution about living in the real (read occasionally vindictive) world and protecting your identity.
Here we go again, I guess he did bother to take the time to remove anything to identify him and his surroundings. There is always some A H out there doing their bit to ram their agenda down everybody's throat.
What is stopping the person from trying to ruin the accusers life as well? Not good karma, but what you give out, you get back.
QUOTE (jamagh @ Jan 26 2012, 01:19 AM) What is stopping the person from trying to ruin the accusers life as well? Not good karma, but what you give out, you get back. According to details on this site the only reason he posted the videos was to earn points so he could view other videos. Imagine that.I wonder if he can sue the site for having that kind of system of inducement in place...Edit: The shelter Annika was taken to has fostered her out, and has stated it won't put her down.
Here is the way is see it..... First, how was this tracked to the person of interest? Me thinks he might have pissed someone off that knew about the video, how else would the person that reported the person of interest? Jilted lovers can be very vindictive. Second, I saw the video and did not see any proof of penetration. Thirdly, how can it be said that it was "rape"? I have seen videos where you could actually see that the animal was forced to do "the deed". I n the video, I saw a very VERY satisfied girl, showing her appreciation by doing the circle thing and rubbing up against said person. If the act was not wanted by the female dog, I am most certain she would have acted in a diff manner.Why can't people mind thier own fucking business??? I am so sick and tired of the holy and rightious rubbing and forcing everyone to conform to the "norm". Who the ffuck has the right to say what is normal or not? Normal is a consenses of what the majority see as "normal"!!!Fuck that, we are already told what we can and can't do to even our own body. I gotta stop while I am ahead.
QUOTE (str8jkt @ Jan 26 2012, 02:03 AM) Here is the way is see it..... First, how was this tracked to the person of interest? Me thinks he might have pissed someone off that knew about the video, how else would the person that reported the person of interest? Jilted lovers can be very vindictive. Second, I saw the video and did not see any proof of penetration. Thirdly, how can it be said that it was "rape"? I have seen videos where you could actually see that the animal was forced to do "the deed". I n the video, I saw a very VERY satisfied girl, showing her appreciation by doing the circle thing and rubbing up against said person. If the act was not wanted by the female dog, I am most certain she would have acted in a diff manner.Why can't people mind thier own fucking business??? I am so sick and tired of the holy and rightious rubbing and forcing everyone to conform to the "norm". Who the ffuck has the right to say what is normal or not? Normal is a consenses of what the majority see as "normal"!!!Fuck that, we are already told what we can and can't do to even our own body. I gotta stop while I am ahead. I completely agree with str8jkt. This another example of the government (in this case, the government of Louisiana) infringing on the rights of individuals (in this case, the private lives of individuals). The Louisiana authorities had no right to do what they did. People are ignorant have "witch-hunt moral agendas" in an "angry mob" form to attack people who are different from them. And it's a shame that the law doesn't protect zoosexual people (like the way laws often protect gays).This kind of event happens a few times every year -- statistically speaking, that isn't much considering the fact that there are millions of zoophiles out there. Last year, it was Peter Bower (an Ohio guy) who faced a very similar predicament to the Louisiana man. I wonder how the authorities were able to locate the Louisiana man -- I have a feeling that the news reports are hiding something. I have a feeling that the person who snitched on him knew him.And that's a big part of why some zoophiles get caught -- snitching, tattling, tipping off -- whatever you want to call it, it is a zoophile's worst enemy.
QUOTE (Faunak8 @ Jan 25 2012, 04:12 PM) Edit: The shelter Annika was taken to has fostered her out, and has stated it won't put her down. That is the one silver lining of this whole story.
This story makes you wonder if there are ANY "safe havens" out there for zoophiles. It seems as though this kind of injustice is everywhere -- and nobody (off the Internet) seems to be fighting against it.Where in the world can a zoophile have sex with an animal and KNOW FOR SURE that he/she won't get attacked by discriminatory anti-zoo laws?
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QUOTE (Zqwm7 @ Jan 26 2012, 06:28 AM) This story makes you wonder if there are ANY "safe havens" out there for zoophiles. It seems as though this kind of injustice is everywhere -- and nobody (off the Internet) seems to be fighting against it.Where in the world can a zoophile have sex with an animal and KNOW FOR SURE that he/she won't get attacked by discriminatory anti-zoo laws? Zqwm7, good question, indeed. This is BS. I just checked the laws in LA, and according to Wikipedia, there is no bestiality laws in that state. this causes me great concern because i, too, live in a state where it's considered "legal"
QUOTE (knotaredneck @ Jan 26 2012, 06:56 AM) QUOTE (Zqwm7 @ Jan 26 2012, 06:28 AM) This story makes you wonder if there are ANY "safe havens" out there for zoophiles. It seems as though this kind of injustice is everywhere -- and nobody (off the Internet) seems to be fighting against it.Where in the world can a zoophile have sex with an animal and KNOW FOR SURE that he/she won't get attacked by discriminatory anti-zoo laws? Zqwm7, good question, indeed. This is BS. I just checked the laws in LA, and according to Wikipedia, there is no bestiality laws in that state. this causes me great concern because i, too, live in a state where it's considered "legal" I just found ANOTHER report of a DIFFERENT zoophile being arrested in Louisiana:http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4823631According to the report, a man had sex with a horse on someone else's property. Apparently there are "detectives" in Louisiana who go out of their way to arrest zoophiles (as is evident with the above link and the Metairie incident). I guess Louisiana is not a good place for zoophiles to live in.By the way, I checked the "zoophilia and the law" Wikipedia article and it did say that bestiality is illegal in Louisiana.Basically, if there are no reports of zoophiles being unjustly arrested in a given state, then that is probably a good sign. If there ARE reports of zoophiles being unjustly arrested in a given state (like Louisiana, Georgia, Arizona, Oklahoma, Washington, Indiana etc), then it's probably in a zoophile's best interest to avoid those states.
detectives for zoophiles? wow, i'm glad to see the american tax dollar is hard at work in useless fields once again! I guess i didn't see the legalities in LA when i was searching through wikipedia.poor guys.
QUOTE (furisforfun @ Jan 25 2012, 01:20 PM)Either way it's pretty sad that there are people out there with nothing better to do than trawl sites they despise looking for people whose lives they can ruin.Unfortunately, there are douchebags like this everywhere.Like my friend who posted a video about being with someone of a different color skin to her getting bombed with tons of hate comments and video responses.Or another friend who is a stripper, and quite often gets people just saying how "ugly" she is for "not being stick thin" or other nonsense.There is a large group of people with nothing better to do than trying to make other people's lives misery, and it seems the neighbour mentioned in this post is one of them.
Sadly the people that try to make other people misreble are themselves misreable. They get pleasure when others are no longer happy. It is the if I can't have it, no one should mentality. Or lack there of mental capacity. The fact is, some people just have no empathy.
QUOTE (str8jkt @ Jan 25 2012, 08:03 PM) Here is the way is see it..... First, how was this tracked to the person of interest? Me thinks he might have pissed someone off that knew about the video, how else would the person that reported the person of interest? Jilted lovers can be very vindictive. Second, I saw the video and did not see any proof of penetration. Thirdly, how can it be said that it was "rape"? I have seen videos where you could actually see that the animal was forced to do "the deed". I n the video, I saw a very VERY satisfied girl, showing her appreciation by doing the circle thing and rubbing up against said person. If the act was not wanted by the female dog, I am most certain she would have acted in a diff manner.Why can't people mind thier own fucking business??? I am so sick and tired of the holy and rightious rubbing and forcing everyone to conform to the "norm". Who the ffuck has the right to say what is normal or not? Normal is a consenses of what the majority see as "normal"!!!Fuck that, we are already told what we can and can't do to even our own body. I gotta stop while I am ahead. To this, I again quote my most favorite hardcore song by Sick Of It All: Freedom the right I thought we had!!One that nobody could take awayBut there are thoughs who will tryTo rule the lives that you and I try to lead!We must fight, Injustice SystemHave no rights, injustice systemWe must fight, Injustice systemHave no rights, Injustice systemThere are those who change the laws!!For gain and furthering their own needsA small group possese the powerA minority dictating what's good for the majority!Money has the real influenceWithout it what we say makes no diffrenenceI'm not telling you to give inBut to me, there's got to be A better way to fight, for, our RIGHTS!!!And to have our sayAnd to choose for ourselvesAnd not be led round blindly on a short leash!(Repeat chorus)Freedom a right I'll always have!!One that nobody can take away!No matter what it is they tryBecause the flames of freedom are burning deep down inside me!!
QUOTE (Zqwm7 @ Jan 26 2012, 07:25 AM) According to the report, a man had sex with a horse on someone else's property. Apparently there are "detectives" in Louisiana who go out of their way to arrest zoophiles (as is evident with the above link and the Metairie incident). I guess Louisiana is not a good place for zoophiles to live in. Sorry but if you go fence hopping you deserve to get in trouble. I have zero sympathy for that guy. Especially as the report also says how "sexual paraphernalia was left in the horses stall" which if that is true just proves how stupid and careless people can be. And Zq the best way to look at the legal thing these days is that it is illegal in every state regardless of what the laws may say because if you get caught you will get fucked over regardless of if there is a specific bestiality law or not. I would have thought this was obvious to anyone who follows these kind of news stories. Take home messages from these two incidents:1) If you are going to post videos then try and make sure that you can't be identified as then even if someone thinks they know who you are, if there is no clear way of identifying them then it's unlikely too much will be able to happen.2) Don't mess around sexually with other peoples animals.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Jan 26 2012, 05:47 PM) QUOTE (Zqwm7 @ Jan 26 2012, 07:25 AM) According to the report, a man had sex with a horse on someone else's property. Apparently there are "detectives" in Louisiana who go out of their way to arrest zoophiles (as is evident with the above link and the Metairie incident). I guess Louisiana is not a good place for zoophiles to live in. Sorry but if you go fence hopping you deserve to get in trouble. I have zero sympathy for that guy. Especially as the report also says how "sexual paraphernalia was left in the horses stall" which if that is true just proves how stupid and careless people can be. And Zq the best way to look at the legal thing these days is that it is illegal in every state regardless of what the laws may say because if you get caught you will get fucked over regardless of if there is a specific bestiality law or not. I would have thought this was obvious to anyone who follows these kind of news stories. Take home messages from these two incidents:1) If you are going to post videos then try and make sure that you can't be identified as then even if someone thinks they know who you are, if there is no clear way of identifying them then it's unlikely too much will be able to happen.2) Don't mess around sexually with other peoples animals. I could not agree more with your sentiment about fence hopping!! How you love your OWN animals is one thing but to "rape", yes "rape" others animals ......... That is not a true zoo and is not held in the graces of Zeta!!!!On a quick note, for us US citizens, what the fuck happened to Life, Liberty and pursuit of Happiness???
QUOTE (str8jkt @ Jan 26 2012, 02:39 PM) QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Jan 26 2012, 05:47 PM) QUOTE (Zqwm7 @ Jan 26 2012, 07:25 AM) According to the report, a man had sex with a horse on someone else's property. Apparently there are "detectives" in Louisiana who go out of their way to arrest zoophiles (as is evident with the above link and the Metairie incident). I guess Louisiana is not a good place for zoophiles to live in. Sorry but if you go fence hopping you deserve to get in trouble. I have zero sympathy for that guy. Especially as the report also says how "sexual paraphernalia was left in the horses stall" which if that is true just proves how stupid and careless people can be. And Zq the best way to look at the legal thing these days is that it is illegal in every state regardless of what the laws may say because if you get caught you will get fucked over regardless of if there is a specific bestiality law or not. I would have thought this was obvious to anyone who follows these kind of news stories. Take home messages from these two incidents:1) If you are going to post videos then try and make sure that you can't be identified as then even if someone thinks they know who you are, if there is no clear way of identifying them then it's unlikely too much will be able to happen.2) Don't mess around sexually with other peoples animals. I could not agree more with your sentiment about fence hopping!! How you love your OWN animals is one thing but to "rape", yes "rape" others animals ......... That is not a true zoo and is not held in the graces of Zeta!!!!On a quick note, for us US citizens, what the fuck happened to Life, Liberty and pursuit of Happiness??? I could not agree more with you on that. True Zoos Love THEIR as mates and friends, someone else messing with them is wrong and it is fence hoppers that are caught and then the media start spreading hate speech about ALL zoos. It is fence hoppers that give us a bad wrap more than anything. That's where soiety gets the notion that ALL zoos 'rape' and 'molest' animals, because hose caught fence hopping essentialy are. Its wrong and why society hates All of us.
Easy now fellas. I would not say that fence hopper are always rapists. You can still develop a very real and trusting relationship with someone else's animal (ie. you babysit them, watch out for them, or just come see them every day) Does that mean you should have sex with them? NO.You may not be violating the animal in many cases, but you're violating the land and/or trust of another person. A person who could easily get you sent to jail. It's not smart, and it's NOT RIGHT. But let's not go as far as to call them all rapists. We're mad about people generalizing about us, so lets not do the same to others, ok?
Just a quicky on the fence hopping thing. Although I am very against it for a lot of reasons, including how much of a bad press it causes for other zoos, I think to say that all fence hoppers actually rape and abuse the animals they play with is maybe a bit harsh.[Edit] Cheeseyness you managed to beat me to responding to this one, you must have replied as I was writing mine
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Jan 26 2012, 03:58 PM) Just a quicky on the fence hopping thing. Although I am very against it for a lot of reasons, including how much of a bad press it causes for other zoos, I think to say that all fence hoppers actually rape and abuse the animals they play with is maybe a bit harsh.[Edit] Cheeseyness you managed to beat me to responding to this one, you must have replied as I was writing mine that sounds about right.
I think the person who reported this should also be investigated for having zoo porn on their computer. The only innocent people to the police are the snitches its obvious.
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QUOTE (cheeseyness @ Jan 26 2012, 08:58 PM) Easy now fellas. I would not say that fence hopper are always rapists. You can still develop a very real and trusting relationship with someone else's animal (ie. you babysit them, watch out for them, or just come see them every day) Does that mean you should have sex with them? NO.You may not be violating the animal in many cases, but you're violating the land and/or trust of another person. A person who could easily get you sent to jail. It's not smart, and it's NOT RIGHT. But let's not go as far as to call them all rapists. We're mad about people generalizing about us, so lets not do the same to others, ok? Yes, you are right and I am letting my emotions get the better of me. I stand corrected and love ya guys!!!
QUOTE (str8jkt @ Jan 26 2012, 09:45 PM) Yes, you are right and I am letting my emotions get the better of me. I stand corrected and love ya guys!!! We'll let you off It is a subject that is easy to get emotional about that's for sure due to the huge amount of damage it does to all of us when the idiots doing it inevitably get caught.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Jan 26 2012, 10:33 PM) QUOTE (str8jkt @ Jan 26 2012, 09:45 PM) Yes, you are right and I am letting my emotions get the better of me. I stand corrected and love ya guys!!! We'll let you off It is a subject that is easy to get emotional about that's for sure due to the huge amount of damage it does to all of us when the idiots doing it inevitably get caught. I prefer
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To be honest, i find it hard to believe that the man was being arrested for something so fucking dumb.i mean, how messed up iz that!!!???plus,i dont really think its ''rape'' if the bitch loves loves it.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Jan 26 2012, 05:47 PM) QUOTE (Zqwm7 @ Jan 26 2012, 07:25 AM) According to the report, a man had sex with a horse on someone else's property. Apparently there are "detectives" in Louisiana who go out of their way to arrest zoophiles (as is evident with the above link and the Metairie incident). I guess Louisiana is not a good place for zoophiles to live in. Sorry but if you go fence hopping you deserve to get in trouble. I have zero sympathy for that guy. Especially as the report also says how "sexual paraphernalia was left in the horses stall" which if that is true just proves how stupid and careless people can be. I agree, fence hoppers are unethical. The only reason I brought up the fence hopper story is because it is further proof that Louisiana police are "cracking down" on zoophiles in that state. What is really worrisome is the second incident (the incident in Metairie), because in that incident the man was NOT fence-hopping. In fact, the arrested Metairie man (whose name is Blake Sanderford) was probably practicing the "zoophiles for the ethical treatment of animals" principle. I went to a New Orleans, Louisiana comment site and found the quote below regarding the 2012 Metairie incident involving Blake:QUOTE "Know what, I'm sick of hearing people, AND the media rag on Blake, he's my best friend. You people don't even know half the damn story. Blake has had annika (the husky) since she was a pup, he raised her and loved her, and he still does, he's a zoophile, (refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia ). This is the life we zoophiles live because we choose to live our life with an open mind, and that we were brought onto this world to love, and give love to everything around us. Some of us find relationships in an animal, and regard humans as something that would be lower then an animal. This is like a religion to us, we treat this animals as we would our own lover or mate, and yes sometimes this does involve sex, but its not played out like it is in the media where you just go and rape a damn dog -- it's not like that whatsoever. When you choose to make love with your lover, in this case Annika, Blakes mate, you do it as you would with a human: there's loving, kissing, holding, everything like that. Animals are very affectionate beings, and we treat them with the same love and respect as they give us; there are so many people out there who think we zoophiles should be killed, or castrated, or tortured, because they are under the close-minded assumption that we rape animals when in fact this is not the case at all. I know most of you are going to read this and be disgusted and I understand, because this is not your life, you think there's something wrong with us, but in-fact we see everything so clearly, and regard those who don't understand us and those who want to harm us as the blind ones. All I'm asking is that you give how our lifestyles are a thought, we don't rape animals and we are ALL animal activists. There are thousands of us, and we all share the same passion for animals you do, except we treat these animals as we would our own kin, our own blood.Annika was taken from Blake at 6:30 in the morning, and now he is unable to ever see her again. Imagine marrying someone, then having someone take them away and say you can't ever see them again, that is what has happened to him, and all of us [zoophiles in Louisiana], we are in support of Blake and always will be. The media has already tried to silence our support by taking down all online support pages we have put up for him. All we ask is that you think about it with an open mind, not a closed one -- we love these animals more then you could ever know, and we NEVER harm animals, we are just as much against that as you. The owner of this blog has already removed three different people including my own comments; they are TRYING to make it look like everyone hates him and silence all the support he is getting. Please, open your eyes."
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I read elsewhere that several news sites have also been going out of their way to remove all comments left on the story that were supportive of zoophilia while allowing the haters and their ignorant hate speech to remain. This really pisses me off as if the ignorant haters are allowed to spew their bigoted vitriolic bullshit then surely it is only fair to let the other side have their say too.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Jan 27 2012, 01:34 AM) I read elsewhere that several news sites have also been going out of their way to remove all comments left on the story that were supportive of zoophilia while allowing the haters and their ignorant hate speech to remain. This really pisses me off as if the ignorant haters are allowed to spew their bigoted vitriolic bullshit then surely it is only fair to let the other side have their say too. Yes you are correct, it is as if people are not even "allowed" to have a pro-zoophilia opinion, despite people's constant admiration of "freedom". This abominable censorship must end, but here's the dilemma -- how does one voice their opinion if the venues for those opinions censor everything they say?The NOLA website has no right to censor pro-zoophilia comments. They are controlled by discriminatory bigots. Here are more comments that I want to post here before they get censored by the anti-zoo bigots at NOLA:QUOTE "Smith, thanks, this news site [NOLA] is totally biased, in fact, there were over 90 posts here yesterday, including a bunch of mine and a bunch from another furry named Zev, the censors here decided this is NOT a neutral news site which allows BOTH sides of opinions, facts and news to be aired.If people here don't care their news is pre-censored and filtered for them so they only get a ONE SIDED view of the world, then they will be happy readers here for sure!I find it pretty outrageous a news site would CENSOR over 50 posts in this article that had no violations of any kind of any rules here, not one post I or Zev made contained any foul language or words that needed filtering, indeed we stuck to the facts and corrected erroneous misinformation, but this was removed while veiled DEATH THREATS and calles to EXECUTE Blake were posted here and STILL REMAIN.I find it very "telling" that a news site censors opinions and facts in this fashion![Response from Baker]: About time someone stood up for him, its pathetic that the media tries to cut all support for someone, yet leaves all the death threats, just goes to show you how messed up the world we live in today is."
Its really sad to see how those friggin' people treat us zoos. But the REAL question was that why are the people(not zoos) going on to blamind us? I highly doubt that this man has actually hopped over a fucking fence to make love to an animal.
Must I post my favorite song again it realy does sum up the media as well in my opinion
QUOTE (Joshua brimlow @ Jan 27 2012, 06:53 AM) Its really sad to see how those friggin' people treat us zoos. But the REAL question was that why are the people(not zoos) going on to blamind us? I highly doubt that this man has actually hopped over a fucking fence to make love to an animal. Two Louisiana zoophiles (both of whom were arrested) were being discussed -- one of them was a fence hopper, and the other (from the more recent incident) was just an ordinary zoophile whose home was unjustly raided by the Louisiana state police at 6:30 in the morning (apparently).As usual, the Louisiana police used the archaic Louisiana "crime against nature" law to "justify" their arresting him -- this is the same bull**** law that has been used against gay people for centuries (not just in Louisiana, but all over the world). It makes no sense anyway, since interspecies sex isn't "unnatural", and homosexual sex isn't unnatural, either.
QUOTE (Zqwm7 @ Jan 29 2012, 05:06 AM) As usual, the Louisiana police used the archaic Louisiana "crime against nature" law to "justify" their arresting him -- this is the same bull**** law that has been used against gay people for centuries (not just in Louisiana, but all over the world). It makes no sense anyway, since interspecies sex isn't "unnatural", and homosexual sex isn't unnatural, either. The description of these acts as a crime against nature has always bothered me. To me a crime against nature is what humans do every day when they show a flagrant disregard for the environment by dumping rubbish and chemicals or by deforestation and destruction of habitats. It is what happens when hunters and other people stalk a species to the edge of extinction and beyond. It is what happens when people wilfully breed animals that have such bad inherent physical problems that they are unable to live normal healthy lives.
This too has sickened me. I cannot believe we live in such a world of bullshit. The media is slandering and all they want to do is release his name for public redicule. This is illegal but nothing has to be done about it. I think the news media sites should be shut down because they do damage to our society and our people. Remember back in the cuban missle crisis when the media "tipped" off the enemy and caused a few soldiers to die because of the media. We all remember The mr. Hands incident where a very respected man of our country and his company was exploited for having sex with a horse that caused his demise. All they wanted to do was release his name so his family was rediculed. I really hope blake comes out of this without hurting himself. I really do give support to him and his human mate whom is suffering just as well. I really wish I could do more than my word. I wish I had money, shelter, and more support for him. Please keep us notified about what's to happen.
QUOTE (wolfzoo @ Jan 30 2012, 11:37 PM) This too has sickened me. I cannot believe we live in such a world of bullshit. The media is slandering and all they want to do is release his name for public redicule. This is illegal but nothing has to be done about it. I think the news media sites should be shut down because they do damage to our society and our people. Remember back in the cuban missle crisis when the media "tipped" off the enemy and caused a few soldiers to die because of the media. We all remember The mr. Hands incident where a very respected man of our country and his company was exploited for having sex with a horse that caused his demise. All they wanted to do was release his name so his family was rediculed. I really hope blake comes out of this without hurting himself. I really do give support to him and his human mate whom is suffering just as well. I really wish I could do more than my word. I wish I had money, shelter, and more support for him. Please keep us notified about what's to happen. That, and the fact that there are about 17 U.S states in which bestiality is a felony -- some of these states include Arizona, Washington, Illinois, Idaho, Oklahoma, Georgia and Michigan.I am amazed by how one sided the media (and the general public) are about the zoophilia issue -- they all seem to be against it. In contrast to this, other controversial issues (like marijuana possession or abortion rights) have supporters who publicly voice their opinion for or against such issues. Why is this not done with zoophilia? Why is everyone so "zoophobic" and anti-zoosexual? Because people are ignorant, and because zoophilia is taboo. (And because the real supporters of zoophilia are too afraid of telling people, due to the chance that they might get "tattled" on and end up like Blake).
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this shouldn't happen in a free world... unless the animal is hurt its not abuse
QUOTE (zndxxx @ Jan 31 2012, 06:51 PM) this shouldn't happen in a free world... unless the animal is hurt its not abuse Somehow these ignorant anti-zoo laws need to be repealed. They are built entirely on prejudice and irrationality, much like anti-gay laws. They oppress people who aren't "normal", and force them to remain "in the shadows" (at least when it comes to being open about one's sexuality)
We live not far from where this gentleman lives. Believe it or not, this story is not gaining major play down here.
QUOTE (k9sully @ Feb 2 2012, 02:29 PM) We live not far from where this gentleman lives. Believe it or not, this story is not gaining major play down here. Now that is interesting to know. If this is the case then I think it says a great deal more about current attitudes to zoophilia than any presentation or scientific paper ever could. That is people want to be shocked by something so they can get up and verbally persecute those they don't like. That's why these stories spread, not because they are news that concerns people but because for some people it's an excuse for a rant.
I wonder if Sanderford can sue the state for denial of due process. His dog was taken from him and fostered out, based on alleged crimes. Now, I understand keeping a person from their animals when there is an on-going criminal case involving said animals - but the dog was confiscated and now in a foster home. Probably ready to be adopted. Maybe spayed by this point.That's what really alarms me, here. The dog isn't just being kept in holding but was actually stolen from him, before any conviction or sanctions have been put in place.
QUOTE (DracoA8N @ Feb 3 2012, 04:30 PM) I wonder if Sanderford can sue the state for denial of due process. His dog was taken from him and fostered out, based on alleged crimes. Now, I understand keeping a person from their animals when there is an on-going criminal case involving said animals - but the dog was confiscated and now in a foster home. Probably ready to be adopted. Maybe spayed by this point.That's what really alarms me, here. The dog isn't just being kept in holding but was actually stolen from him, before any conviction or sanctions have been put in place. That's one thing that annoys me in these American cases. Not only can the police seize someone's animals before any crime is actually proved but the media will report and demonise these people before their cases ever get to court and anything is actually proved. That is something that really pisses me off as people are meant to be innocent until proven guilty.
QUOTE (DracoA8N @ Feb 3 2012, 04:30 PM) I wonder if Sanderford can sue the state for denial of due process. His dog was taken from him and fostered out, based on alleged crimes. Now, I understand keeping a person from their animals when there is an on-going criminal case involving said animals - but the dog was confiscated and now in a foster home. Probably ready to be adopted. Maybe spayed by this point.That's what really alarms me, here. The dog isn't just being kept in holding but was actually stolen from him, before any conviction or sanctions have been put in place. Sanderford did not get due process. In this case, the authorities were discriminatory and did not treat him equally before the law.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Feb 3 2012, 08:33 AM) QUOTE (DracoA8N @ Feb 3 2012, 04:30 PM) I wonder if Sanderford can sue the state for denial of due process. His dog was taken from him and fostered out, based on alleged crimes. Now, I understand keeping a person from their animals when there is an on-going criminal case involving said animals - but the dog was confiscated and now in a foster home. Probably ready to be adopted. Maybe spayed by this point.That's what really alarms me, here. The dog isn't just being kept in holding but was actually stolen from him, before any conviction or sanctions have been put in place. That's one thing that annoys me in these American cases. Not only can the police seize someone's animals before any crime is actually proved but the media will report and demonise these people before their cases ever get to court and anything is actually proved. That is something that really pisses me off as people are meant to be innocent until proven guilty. I understand all of the annoyance with this, but there is another side you need to consider. If someone is accused of abusing animals and is guilty, you can be assured these same assholes would think nothing of disposing of the evidence before a court order came in. The problem here is that sexual activity (consensual of not) is considered abuse. Consequently, zoophiles are lumped in with the Michael Vicks of the world. And let's face it, not all people who are having sex with animals are doing no harm. When it comes to the welfare of animals, I prefer to err on the side of caution. Spending time with a foster is much better than rotting in a pen somewhere. This may be unpleasant for the accused, but probably not as bad as the media smear, sex offender status and possible prison time. I would rather concentrate on keeping abused animals alive if it's humane to do so. Our puritanical society would not likely allow the accused to get their animals back, but the animals would have a chance at a decent life. I prefer not to see the only side of the issue that directly affects me. Ignoring the other side is how stupid laws and outdated societal norms get shoved down our throats. My 2 cents.Mort
QUOTE (Mortimer Snerd @ Feb 11 2012, 07:49 PM) QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Feb 3 2012, 08:33 AM) QUOTE (DracoA8N @ Feb 3 2012, 04:30 PM) I wonder if Sanderford can sue the state for denial of due process. His dog was taken from him and fostered out, based on alleged crimes. Now, I understand keeping a person from their animals when there is an on-going criminal case involving said animals - but the dog was confiscated and now in a foster home. Probably ready to be adopted. Maybe spayed by this point.That's what really alarms me, here. The dog isn't just being kept in holding but was actually stolen from him, before any conviction or sanctions have been put in place. That's one thing that annoys me in these American cases. Not only can the police seize someone's animals before any crime is actually proved but the media will report and demonise these people before their cases ever get to court and anything is actually proved. That is something that really pisses me off as people are meant to be innocent until proven guilty. I understand all of the annoyance with this, but there is another side you need to consider. If someone is accused of abusing animals and is guilty, you can be assured these same assholes would think nothing of disposing of the evidence before a court order came in. The problem here is that sexual activity (consensual of not) is considered abuse. Consequently, zoophiles are lumped in with the Michael Vicks of the world. And let's face it, not all people who are having sex with animals are doing no harm. When it comes to the welfare of animals, I prefer to err on the side of caution. Spending time with a foster is much better than rotting in a pen somewhere. This may be unpleasant for the accused, but probably not as bad as the media smear, sex offender status and possible prison time. I would rather concentrate on keeping abused animals alive if it's humane to do so. Our puritanical society would not likely allow the accused to get their animals back, but the animals would have a chance at a decent life. I prefer not to see the only side of the issue that directly affects me. Ignoring the other side is how stupid laws and outdated societal norms get shoved down our throats. My 2 cents.Mort Yes, but there's a big difference between simply keeping the animal in holding, away from its owner, until the final disposition of the case - which make sense, when there is suspicion of ongoing abuse, since the animal is technically "evidence" in the case.Here, Sanderford's dog was stolen from him and then adopted out to a foster family. The dog *has new owners* at this point, from what I understand of the process.
We just had a case up here where a woman allegedly abandoned horses on her farm which many had to be put down because of serious malnutrician. She ended up having the charges dropped and after a fee she can have them back. I simply cannot believe the bullshit myself but it seems the assholes don't care about the safety and welfare of animals after they allow abused animals back to their abusers. After all the abandonment cases going on then see a fellow american neighbor that took very good care of their dog end up like this makes me sick. Then when it comes time for a vote against zoophilia the laws go in favor of passing with like 80 votes to pass and 0 votes to kill the bill. I think the future of persecution is going to get worse and we're going to be seeing more of this because of hard times and the officers involved need something to do after they put a damper on actual crimes against KP and such.
QUOTE (wolfzoo @ Feb 15 2012, 10:01 PM) We just had a case up here where a woman allegedly abandoned horses on her farm which many had to be put down because of serious malnutrician. She ended up having the charges dropped and after a fee she can have them back. I simply cannot believe the bullshit myself but it seems the assholes don't care about the safety and welfare of animals after they allow abused animals back to their abusers. After all the abandonment cases going on then see a fellow american neighbor that took very good care of their dog end up like this makes me sick. Then when it comes time for a vote against zoophilia the laws go in favor of passing with like 80 votes to pass and 0 votes to kill the bill. I think the future of persecution is going to get worse and we're going to be seeing more of this because of hard times and the officers involved need something to do after they put a damper on actual crimes against KP and such. That's so true. The actual abusers, be it deliberate or through neglect, usually get away with very little punishment. Kind of makes a mockery of the whole bestiality is abuse thing as if that was the case there wouldn't need to be a bestiality law as we already have animal cruelty ones. I do think that in some way something needs to be done. So many seem to think it's best to just stay quiet but I am starting to think that this is not going to help. If things keep going like they are I bet it won't be too long before sites like this are getting banned from existing regardless of the legal status of the host country. But what can be done, well that is a question no one can seemingly answer.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:06 PM) I do think that in some way something needs to be done. So many seem to think it's best to just stay quiet but I am starting to think that this is not going to help. If things keep going like they are I bet it won't be too long before sites like this are getting banned from existing regardless of the legal status of the host country. But what can be done, well that is a question no one can seemingly answer. What can be done? Something nobody wants to do -- be open about their zoosexuality and openly inform the public about why there is nothing wrong with it; and with enough "openness", people could begin writing to their congressman/senators and ask that they repeal anti-zoo laws.Most of the public is currently ignorant with regards to the true nature of zoosexuality, this needs to change before anything can be accomplished.
It's unfortunate, but the video does show some revealing features (items of the room, some of his face, his build). While I can't say I approve of the arrest, he should've disguised himself better. A furry reported to police by another furry. There's plenty of drama in the furry fandom, I wonder if that could've contributed? General statement, of course- I browse FA and e621 often enough to know about the drama. Not to mention the burning hatred non-zoo furries seem to feel towards zoo-furries or zoos period.As for the guy arrested on someone else's property, I can't feel sorry for him. I don't condone fence hopping in any form. At the very least he was trespassing.But hey, that's just me.
where's the crime ?
QUOTE (zndxxx @ Feb 17 2012, 09:33 PM) where's the crime ? The crime is stepping out of the line that is the "norm" for our dogmatic society. An example must be made for those who dare tread in anything that isn't considered politically correct. The society we live in is so self conscious about their own actions in what they do behind closed doors that they feel it justifiable to "point the finger and blame the other" in order to feel good about themselves.Kind of like the mindset of the bully in school....It seems some of us never grow up
QUOTE (knotaredneck @ Feb 17 2012, 10:12 PM) Kind of like the mindset of the bully in school....It seems some of us never grow up "Todays bigots, yesterdays bullies"I like it. It's just that a lot of these people pointing the finger are likely the ones that wanted to do the bullying but didn't have it in them, so now they just direct their nasty little attitudes at people in a way that they can't fight back.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Feb 17 2012, 10:23 PM) QUOTE (knotaredneck @ Feb 17 2012, 10:12 PM) Kind of like the mindset of the bully in school....It seems some of us never grow up "Todays bigots, yesterdays bullies"I like it. It's just that a lot of these people pointing the finger are likely the ones that wanted to do the bullying but didn't have it in them, so now they just direct their nasty little attitudes at people in a way that they can't fight back. And now, in adult life, they can direct Ol Johnny law to do their biddings, while they sit back and snicker....it is the logic of the true coward; too chicken shit to deal with issues that trouble them personally, so they feel like they should involve the law with their own inabilities. The possibility that some people share a different set of beliefs/lifestyles that cannot be grasped by the narrowminded...
QUOTE (knotaredneck @ Feb 17 2012, 10:37 PM) QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Feb 17 2012, 10:23 PM) QUOTE (knotaredneck @ Feb 17 2012, 10:12 PM) Kind of like the mindset of the bully in school....It seems some of us never grow up "Todays bigots, yesterdays bullies"I like it. It's just that a lot of these people pointing the finger are likely the ones that wanted to do the bullying but didn't have it in them, so now they just direct their nasty little attitudes at people in a way that they can't fight back. And now, in adult life, they can direct Ol Johnny law to do their biddings, while they sit back and snicker....it is the logic of the true coward; too chicken shit to deal with issues that trouble them personally, so they feel like they should involve the law with their own inabilities. The possibility that some people share a different set of beliefs/lifestyles that cannot be grasped by the narrowminded... Unfortunately that's all too true
I feel so sorry for him, im glad I dont have as harsh laws here but that can change if the wrong people decide
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