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Listen, I'll be first to admit I love lipstick and fortune cookies; but this whole attraction to dogs has REALLY been an obstructive factor in my life simply because of how it skews my physical interests.The larger portion of society (and most societies in general) usually frown upon sexual activity with animals. I understand this and accept the fact that me and a shepherd rolling in bed is not exactly going to be well received if someone were to find out.But for ME, the time I've gotten to share with a handful of dogs over the course of my life thus far has been very personal and emotional. I love their company, sex alone isn't all I look for or appreciate, I love the chance to just share time together. My ideal life is having the chance to share each day with a dog beside me; travel, work, play, inseparable.I'm sure a fair number of people here would share the sentiment. But how far is too far? We can justify to ourselves nearly anything; we can tell ourselves and other people that he/she is "enjoying it" and etc etc because we "know." Because something has allegedly given us divine perception into the mind of our partner. That song and dance works for a while, but what happens when someone unabashedly goes beyond that?I just stumbled across a series of ten or so pictures (they look like stills from a video, disturbingly enough) of a guy with a bound up male german shepherd, and he is blatantly abusing the shit out of him for sexual gratification. It's not okay; I'm talking shit like burning the dog's dick with a grill lighter, forced enemas, other sex toys. All of this while the dog is tied up with his forelegs behind his back and muzzle duct-taped shut, and strapped to a table.This is some seriously fucked shit. I think most of us can agree. But then how different are we really? Sure, a human being can willingly oblige to these acts in a sexual context; they can express consent as easily as "yes, please apply flame to the base of my penis" but a dog CAN'T DO THAT SHIT.I have a hard time living with myself because of how much I have to argue with something I don't have conscious control over. I would never do any of this kind of stuff, but I still often feel guilt about this inexplicable attraction to dogs. I truly love the companionship of a dog more than another human being, but I can't help but question if I'm just being a little selfish if sex is another aspect of our companionship.Does anyone else here ever second-guess their own attraction? Am I just retarded? At what point are we abusing the respect and trust of the other living beings we share our time and space here on earth with?
QUOTE (anon2097 @ Apr 24 2011, 09:17 AM)I just stumbled across a series of ten or so pictures (they look like stills from a video, disturbingly enough) of a guy with a bound up male german shepherd, and he is blatantly abusing the shit out of him for sexual gratification. It's not okay; I'm talking shit like burning the dog's dick with a grill lighter, forced enemas, other sex toys. All of this while the dog is tied up with his forelegs behind his back and muzzle duct-taped shut, and strapped to a table.First of all, if those pictures are here you need to report them so they and the posting member can be removed. That stuff IS NOT tollerated here. Secondly, there is a huge difference between that and the rolling around and playing you were talking about. Loving your pet is only natural. You have brought them into your home and heart. Love them anyway you see fit, just never harm them.Sex is not a must to have a loving relationship with anyone, human or not. And, pets can consent, they just can't talk; However, they should never be bondage partners.Also, this subject should probably be discussed in the zoophilia section (if the mods will allow it. )
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While you didnt say they were specifically here (on this site), if that stuff exists on here, it needs to be reported ASAP.To be honest and simple, I think the abuse line is fairly easy. Loving your pet and doing "loving" activities to them is NOT abuse. However, if you pet clearly shows signs that they are either not interested or do not appreciate what is being done, and the person keeps going for their own pleasure without consent of the animal, that can be described as abuse. (correct me if I'm wrong)
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those pics u speak of arent here - and that is the difference between this site - and other beasitality sites that would condone or allow that shit...thats not the real question here however - its your guilt over LOVING relationships - and it seems to me that is because you still have doubts of wether an animal can consent - apparently you have been lucky with love - and have hadall good positive responses - but if you ever really want to find out just how consentual it is - I suggest that you try to stick your dick in a big ass pitbull or stallion that isnt interested - you will CLEARLY then understand how much animals do NOT consent - and the difference between those that do some do - some dont - some will - some wont
This was a great first post for you. Thank you for sharing your feelings and doubts here on the board.Consensual sex between humans and animals will be and always has been argued and there are valid points on both sides. As it's been pointed out here, forced attempts of sexual penetration will be met with hostility on the animals part, unless the animal is so terribly submissive that they have just given up. It sound like this is the case with the group of pictures that you saw in the internet. The human that blatantly abused this animal, should be put away for many years.I have been in loving and completely consensual relationships with dogs for many years and I can tell you that your animal partner will thoroughly enjoy the intimacy if you are gentle, caring, loving and tolerant of their needs and desires. Just like a human being, there are many times that your K9 mate will choose not to be interested. Those are the times when you just give them a hug and a kiss and go about your daily routines. If you are having feelings of confusion about your sexual orientation, then you and only you, can evaluate and make the right decisions for yourself. You don't need to have a physical relationship to be considered a part of the zoo community, you only need to have a deep emotional bond that transcends the typical bond between a human and a pet.Best of luck in your future decisions and know that this forum will provide a variety of opinions and hopefully you will make some new virtual friends here as well ^^
To be honest, your post doesn't make very much sense. You doubt your own nonharmful loving attracting just because people out there abuse animals? That's like doubting the validity of romantic love between humans just because there are men out there who rape and abuse women. Yet you can clearly draw a line between human sex and human abuse- it's called harm. Quite obviously, harm is also the difference between love and abuse with an animal.QUOTE I'm sure a fair number of people here would share the sentiment. But how far is too far? We can justify to ourselves nearly anything; we can tell ourselves and other people that he/she is "enjoying it" and etc etc because we "know." Because something has allegedly given us divine perception into the mind of our partner. That song and dance works for a while, but what happens when someone unabashedly goes beyond that?Too far is causing physical pain. Too far is causing damage to the tissues or organs. Too far is causing fear or aggression as a reaction. Those are all signs of mental or physical distress. And NO you cannot tell yourself the animal enjoyed it if they didn't. You will know a bitch wants more when she flags her tail and presents her rear, and you will know a dog wants more when he tries to mount you or backs his rump against the front of your shorts. Someone doing otherwise does not suddenly cause your dog not to like it, nor does another person's sick and twisted behavior cause you to be a horrible person. What happens to someone who goes too far? They deserve to be shot like scum. That doesn't mean you can't love your animal and provide them with all the pleasure they want any more than Rihanna being abused by her boyfriend would make all human relationships invalid.QUOTE I just stumbled across a series of ten or so pictures (they look like stills from a video, disturbingly enough) of a guy with a bound up male german shepherd, and he is blatantly abusing the shit out of him for sexual gratification. It's not okay; I'm talking shit like burning the dog's dick with a grill lighter, forced enemas, other sex toys. All of this while the dog is tied up with his forelegs behind his back and muzzle duct-taped shut, and strapped to a table.I am sickened and disturbed that someone would do something like this. It's horrible and disgusting, and obviously abuse. You mentioned that the dog was restrained, now think about what that dog would have done if he was able to get free. He would've run like hell and if that guy had cornered him then he would've fought with everything he had, until one of them was dead or unconscious. That should make it pretty obvious that a dog who is standing patiently with her tail to the side or a male who is mounting at every chance obviously isn't in any kind of distress. If they were, then they would need to be restrained like the dog above. The fact that they aren't gives evidence to the fact that they do not wish to remove themselves from the situation and that they aren't attempting to do so. Just because one dog was abused during sex doesn't make sex wrong. That is like saying no one should own animals because someone had a pet and they didn't feed it, or dogs shouldn't be allowed in apartments because one guy pushed his dog down the stairs. QUOTE This is some seriously fucked shit. I think most of us can agree. But then how different are we really? Sure, a human being can willingly oblige to these acts in a sexual context; they can express consent as easily as "yes, please apply flame to the base of my penis" but a dog CAN'T DO THAT SHIT.When you ask 'how different are we really', I honestly hope you are just having trouble and doubting yourself, not honestly suggesting that everyone who has sex with animals has some desire to inflict pain or suffering on others. How different are we really? Very different from that sick freak who hurt the dog. Just thinking about someone doing those things makes me nauseous, and had I seen that photo I would have vomited. I couldn't subject an animal to that and would never want to. It is sick to want to hurt someone. Sick and disgusting. Yes humans consent to it, but there is something foul about delighting in someone else's pain. The germans have a word for it- Schadenfreude, pain in the suffering of another. He was delighting in pain, not in sex.That man's sexual gratification was due to harming another being, while mine is due to pleasure in interaction with another being. You might as well compare the BTK killer to Jane Goodall, because that's a valid approximation of our respective positions. QUOTE I have a hard time living with myself because of how much I have to argue with something I don't have conscious control over. I would never do any of this kind of stuff, but I still often feel guilt about this inexplicable attraction to dogs. I truly love the companionship of a dog more than another human being, but I can't help but question if I'm just being a little selfish if sex is another aspect of our companionship.You shouldn't feel guilty about being attracted to dogs any more than a homosexual should feel guilt over being attracted to men or a Fillipino woman should feel guilty about being attracted to an Eskimo man. Yes, it is different from most people, but attraction is something that cannot be controlled. It has been tried many times and failed every time. You have no control over which beings arouse you any more than you can control which beings DON'T arouse you. It's an intigral part of life and attraction.You seem bothered by the fact that this attraction is sexual as well, as though somehow it would be okay to keep a pet in your home, separate them from others of their own species, and not allow them to have sex. If they want it, can you come up with a single valid reason not to allow them to be sexual? If it gives them pleasure and they enjoy it, by all means you can say no, but it would not be wrong to say yes. There is nothing selfish about doing something with your animal. It is not selfish to play ball with your dog, or to go on walks with them if they like it, and neither is it selfish to have sex if they like it. If they don't like it, then it would be selfish, just as it would be selfish to drag them down the street if they don't want to walk, or to pinch their ears to make them retrieve balls and dumbbells as some people do for obedience training. Anything forced is wrong by default. Not because it is with an animal- because it is with an unwilling being of any species.QUOTE Does anyone else here ever second-guess their own attraction? Am I just retarded? At what point are we abusing the respect and trust of the other living beings we share our time and space here on earth with? No I do not second guess my attraction. I know what it is and I know that it will not change. There was a difficult period in my life where I thought maybe it was temporary, but that is sheer stupidity. The first sexual attraction to emerge is the natural and innate one. People can try to force themselves into being 'normal' and it always comes back to the same old thing. Sure they can have sex with the socially acceptable partner, but you can bet their orgasms and masterbation focus on their true attraction.And I honestly do not think you are retarded at all, but I think you are taking this whole thing way too far, suggesting that one abuser may possibly make everything wrong. If that is so, then every sexuality, every relationship, and every action any human being could ever engage in is very very wrong, because every last one of them has resulted in violence or pain to someone at some point in time- from birthing babies and abandoning them to hitting another person in a fight, to raping someone, the list goes on and on. Birth, reproduction, and death. Always there is something wrong somewhere in the world, but this doesn't mean that all of us are engaging in violence just because we give birth or just because we have sex and it would be foolish to suggest that we are.And if you want to know where to draw the line between abuse and acceptable interaction, consider this: anything that causes stress or mental distress could be abusive, but if the animal is happy and relaxed, it is mentally fine. Anything that causes pain, discomfort, or physical suffering could be abuse, but if the animal is comfortable and pain free then it is fine in that regard. Anything that can cause tissue damage, organ failure, or the like could possibly be abuse, but if the action does not damage the body then it is fine. Therefore if there is no harm to the emotional well being, no pain or discomfort, and no damage to the body, then there is no discomfort or ill result in the animal and all is good. Crossing just one of those bounds, however, is not okay sexually.
Anytime there is caring, willingness and pleasure between two beings, it's OK.Anytime there is force or coercion it's not OK.Anyone who seeks to impose their view of morality on you is not worth your time or worthy of your consideration.
Excellent response, lexxi.We as a society have taken to relying on our governing bodies to draw the line for us based on what the people demand be punished. Now I know what I'm about to say is going to be an unpopular opinion amongst almost everyone here, but if punishing the act of bestiality in a harsher manner is what it takes to keep the abusive fucks at bay, then so be it. Meanwhile, I'll be keeping my head down.
QUOTE (anon2097 @ Apr 24 2011, 03:17 PM) I just stumbled across a series of ten or so pictures (they look like stills from a video, disturbingly enough) of a guy with a bound up male german shepherd, and he is blatantly abusing the shit out of him for sexual gratification. It's not okay; I'm talking shit like burning the dog's dick with a grill lighter, forced enemas, other sex toys. All of this while the dog is tied up with his forelegs behind his back and muzzle duct-taped shut, and strapped to a table. Obviously you did not stumble across that stuff here.Did you mention your concern to the owner of the site where you found that stuff?If the owner wont talk to you, the ISP may be willing to do so. If you dont want to make a report to the ISP, I'll do it with my IRL id, as zoosexuality is legal where I live, and quite some sites are hosted here too. Regarding your other concerns, I think you are afraid of yourself, having discovered desires in yourself that you bringin contact with something unpleasant, like the stuff you found. In the public we are all seen as mad perverts, even though the most of us are not. Dont look at us (and perhaps yourself) as that, but take your time to see that there are other sides of the zosexual environment.Things are never just black or white, even though it is introduced so in many medias. Seems to be the modern way of dealing with things?
QUOTE (jeepdog89 @ Apr 26 2011, 06:25 PM) I know what I'm about to say is going to be an unpopular opinion amongst almost everyone here, but if punishing the act of bestiality in a harsher manner is what it takes to keep the abusive fucks at bay, then so be it. If things genuinely worked like that then yeah maybe there would be some logic in the "keep it illegal as it benefits animals" thing but that is totally beyond wishful thinking if you think it makes any difference. All it does is mean that the scum bags who do these acts of violent sexual abuse are classed in exactly the same grouping as those of us with deep love for our animal partners who are having purely non forced consensual sex. If you read the comments on a news story of someone getting caught for having sex with and then on the other hand abusing an animal you will notice that pretty much in all cases the comments say the same regardless of if the person was having sex with their own horse in a harmless way or if you have some total cunts going round the countryside slashing horses for kicks. Also the general assumption that something being illegal makes it happen less is obviously flawed. The kind of person who desires to physically abuse an animal is not going to give two poohs if basic sex with the animal is legal or not. There are countless things in this world that are illegal and you can bet that with maybe one or two exceptions every one is done regularly. Some people even do things specifically because they are illegal. I have read posts from people on this site saying that the taboo/illegality factor of sex with animals encourages them to do it more. I am quite confident in saying that if sex with animals was legalised tomorrow there would be zero increase in violent sexual abuse. For one because causing deliberate harm to an animal would still be covered by animal welfare laws and two because the kind of people who cause this harm don't care either way about the laws. Also legalising would not change peoples opinions of bestiality. No one who has been brought up to hate it for 40 years is suddenly going to decide that it's obviously fine. Maybe the lack of fear of prosecution will help a few more people make the step to performing the act instead of just thinking about it but then all the people who will not do it due to the lack of taboo/illegality will cancel the increase out. Harsher anti bestiality laws stop the real scumbags from harming animals the same way that having the death penalty means zero murders are comitted and the same way that increasing the penalties for those caught DUI has completely stopped people from drink driving. Actually I think harsher laws actually imply sex with animals is worse than it is which just plays into the hands of the anti brigade. Also if people worried about the laws getting stricter then all the real zoo's would also try and give up their sexuality and try to live "normal" lives. Oddly I don't see that happening anytime soon either. And if we are not scared of the increasing harshness of the laws why does anyone think some abusive scumbag is going to be concerned.
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QUOTE I just stumbled across a series of ten or so pictures (they look like stills from a video, disturbingly enough) of a guy with a bound up male german shepherd, and he is blatantly abusing the shit out of him for sexual gratification. It's not okay; I'm talking shit like burning the dog's dick with a grill lighter, forced enemas, other sex toys. All of this while the dog is tied up with his forelegs behind his back and muzzle duct-taped shut, and strapped to a table....At what point are we abusing the respect and trust of the other living beings we share our time and space here on earth with? Unfortunately, I've seen the images you're talking about (not really through an act of my own volition), and I agree, they're seriously fucked up. I draw the line when any sentient being involved in any sex act - whether involving an animal or not - is either incapable of saying no or is getting hurt, physically or psychologically, in a non-consensual manner. I am of the state of mind that vanilla, "tab A ---> slot B," "I'm into it, you're into it, let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel," sex with an animal is perfectly fine from this perspective, provided some method of restraint or sedation is not used and the animal is not confined to a very small space (where they would be unable to resist in a meaningful way). Unless the two species aren't compatible physically (see: most birds and humans), no one is going to get hurt physically, and I feel that it's highly doubtful that either the animal (who likely has very little or nothing in the way of sexual morality), or the human will suffer lasting, serious psychological consequences from having inter-species intercourse. Mares get bred to jack donkeys all the time, and I don't see them getting depressed or anxious or otherwise agitated about it, despite the fact that horses are not at all accustomed to getting the sexual attention of donkeys. It's just not a big deal. I feel like it's no more an abuse of the animal, perhaps even quite a bit less, (again using horses as an example) than hitching him/her up to a plow and having him/her walk up and down a field all day.Physically harming an animal for the sole purpose of getting your jollies off, on the other hand, is not kosher at all. Things like horse-ripping, this incident of burning a dog's member with a lighter, having sex with chickens and breaking their necks to make the muscles of their cloaca spasm: things like this are abhorrent to just about everyone, zoos included, and the people who do them are clearly psychopathic.There's a huge gap between doing those things and respectfully, responsibly, and empathetically mating with a member of another species.
No,I do not question my attraction or feel any guilt whatsoever. I spent many years learning about how to give pleasure both sexual and nonsexual to my animals. If I have even a hint that they are not enjoying what I'm doing, I stop immediately period. That's the best I can do and I am content with that.LTD
Very good point Dirtbiker. Just like America's 'War on Drugs' which cost the country millions of tax dollars, yet did little or nothing to curtail the problem. Bestiality laws do the same- people continue to have sex with animals. They were already doing it in private because of the social stigma, so they just keep it a secret from others. After all, if no one knows you are having sex with an animal you cannot be arrested for it. That's like the laws prohibiting sodomy such as oral and anal sex- they didn't work because it's not a public act.Another thing the government is apparently blind to is the fact that they are so far in debt it is unlikely that they will break even for at least several generations, and every single criminal incarcerated costs roughly 33,000 dollars per year to keep in jail which comes directly out of county, state, or federal funds. Additionally the tax money they would've paid in for that year also becomes nonexistant as they are no longer working or paying taxes. Combine that with the costs of expanding the jails (because crime rate is staying about the same and population is increasing, therefore more people are being incarcerated), and you've already seriously blown a couple more generations of budget in a few short years just due to money lost in jail- and that doesn't cover the costs of investigations into crimes, both those people are charged with and those with insufficient evidence, the costs of storing evidence and getting lab analysis on DNA and the like, and then paying the judges and small fees to those serving jury duty!Even from a purely fiscal standpoint, these laws do not make sense. If they want to charge people, they can charge those who are abusing animals under current welfare law, not those who call Rover's name and then bend over.
Both DB and Lessistray have very good posts here. Thanks. Rather than more laws banning us, maybe states should relook at the idea of "marrage permits" for human/ animal relationships. Not only would it become quasi legal but would open a new revenue source for states in that license fee???As for the OP - that witnessed bahaviour SHOULD be reported to the law for whatever followup they can do. If you have no recourse yourselg go to the poster here that volunteered - this kind of violent acts to animals IS the kind that leads to violence twords humans.
Sounds to me like those pics were nothing to do with Zoo or Beast love, just sadism with a helpless animal as it's victim.If you're going to let that set of pics redefine acceptable sexual behaviour with animals for you, you'll never have sex with any living being again. That sort of extreme porn exists with humans as it's subjects far more than any other species. That sadist has nothing more to do with my relationship with my girl than snuff movies have to do with Mr and Mrs Public.I agree with the others that have suggested you do everything in your power to report these images - or take up the offer for another member to do so for you.
QUOTE (anon2097 @ Apr 24 2011, 07:17 AM) ... Does anyone else here ever second-guess their own attraction? Am I just retarded? At what point are we abusing the respect and trust of the other living beings we share our time and space here on earth with? Being a sexual animal yourself, sexual attraction certainly does not automatically connote abusive behavior on your part either towards yourself or towards the object of your attraction, whether it's human or not, alive or inanimate. It's "natural." But from that point forward is where some people lose it in the way they express it and deal with it. Beyond there being an animal and (maybe) sex involved with what you saw, as others have said, there is no commonality between that and what most of us do and believe in. If there is a "line" out there that can be, but ought not to be crossed, others here have delineated it quite well: a willingness to please and be pleased without fear, pain, or coercion coupled with an unwillingness to be pleased or get pleased at any cost. Lexxi said all this much better than me. With respect to increasing legal consequences of abuse (read also "or sex") with animals and making tougher laws, history is our best teacher. Speaking of "the war on ....." how is the War on Poverty coming along? Remember that one? For the most part, animal abuse is already against the law and making tougher laws only draws the rest of us closer to the likes of what you saw. Lexxi and DB have said it better, from the effectiveness of trying to regulate human activities and behavior based on irrational moral tradition to the fiscal impact it has on society.If I have any concerns about you it would be why you would somehow identify your own feelings about animal sex and love (or lack of it) with what you saw. Jeffrey Dahmer was a human too and I know what he did, but I still don't have that kind of appetite.
While I am new to this forum I am not new to zoo sex. I have enjoyed the company of only 3 willing bitches in my 30 years on this earth. Notice the key word there ''willing''. If there was ever any sign of discomfort or any sign that she was not interested I stopped. I admit I would then play with her more, stimulate her with my tongue or finger if she was still receptive and try again. If there were still problems I stopped! At that point there were no more attempts. That is where I draw the line! Any discomfort or aprehensiveness and I was done! If I was still overly aroused that's what my hand or my fiance is for. I am disgusted and shocked by the thought that someone is harming an animal for their own sexual gratification. I hope someone does take the time to report these images and find the bastard responsible for them. That is simply NOT OK!!!Ok... I'm off my soap box.
I think you can do a rather easy test to see if a dog can consent.give him his usual food, when he had it offer him something he wouldnīt reject as an aftermeal, (say, a big fat piece of meat, in the Tbone style,not the OTHER kind), repeat with something he wouldn't eat, such as meat with hot sauce (habanero chili, too salty, half burnt, etcetera) if he isnīt hungry I bet he will accept the treat and avoid the ugly tasting thing.when you know how he acts on a I don't want this basis and the I could indulge, offer yourself, compare his/her reaction and come to your own conclusions.Assuming he does the I can indulge in sex with you thing, you could go even further, offer yourself and the meat to choose, if he/she likes you best, then he/she actually likes sex with you, if not, well, you can say you are almost as good as Tbone.P.D. it doesn't affect if after the test he can have you AND the meat (some smoke afterwards, some eat...)
QUOTE (anon2097 @ Apr 24 2011, 03:17 PM)We can justify to ourselves nearly anything; we can tell ourselves and other people that he/she is "enjoying it" and etc etc because we "know." Because something has allegedly given us divine perception into the mind of our partner.That divine perception comes from studying or learning in an empirically ethology of the animal you having a relationship. Is not something zoos make up, is something you can read in books, anyone that has read dog ethology or had dogs for many years, will learn to know when a dog enjoys or dislike something. We know an aniaml enjoys it because we have learned to communicate with them and so we know when they say "this feels good, keep going" We all draw the line in the someplace everybody does, abuse is abuse, there is no way to disguise it even if the person lies to himself, other people will see clearly that the relationship is abusive.PS: The person you say is called a Zoosadists, is not a zoophile nor a bestialists and has nothing to do with the people in this forum.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Apr 26 2011, 01:10 PM) QUOTE (jeepdog89 @ Apr 26 2011, 06:25 PM) I know what I'm about to say is going to be an unpopular opinion amongst almost everyone here, but if punishing the act of bestiality in a harsher manner is what it takes to keep the abusive fucks at bay, then so be it. If things genuinely worked like that then yeah maybe there would be some logic in the "keep it illegal as it benefits animals" thing but that is totally beyond wishful thinking if you think it makes any difference. All it does is mean that the scum bags who do these acts of violent sexual abuse are classed in exactly the same grouping as those of us with deep love for our animal partners who are having purely non forced consensual sex. If you read the comments on a news story of someone getting caught for having sex with and then on the other hand abusing an animal you will notice that pretty much in all cases the comments say the same regardless of if the person was having sex with their own horse in a harmless way or if you have some total cunts going round the countryside slashing horses for kicks. Also the general assumption that something being illegal makes it happen less is obviously flawed. The kind of person who desires to physically abuse an animal is not going to give two poohs if basic sex with the animal is legal or not. There are countless things in this world that are illegal and you can bet that with maybe one or two exceptions every one is done regularly. Some people even do things specifically because they are illegal. I have read posts from people on this site saying that the taboo/illegality factor of sex with animals encourages them to do it more. I am quite confident in saying that if sex with animals was legalised tomorrow there would be zero increase in violent sexual abuse. For one because causing deliberate harm to an animal would still be covered by animal welfare laws and two because the kind of people who cause this harm don't care either way about the laws. Also legalising would not change peoples opinions of bestiality. No one who has been brought up to hate it for 40 years is suddenly going to decide that it's obviously fine. Maybe the lack of fear of prosecution will help a few more people make the step to performing the act instead of just thinking about it but then all the people who will not do it due to the lack of taboo/illegality will cancel the increase out. Harsher anti bestiality laws stop the real scumbags from harming animals the same way that having the death penalty means zero murders are comitted and the same way that increasing the penalties for those caught DUI has completely stopped people from drink driving. Actually I think harsher laws actually imply sex with animals is worse than it is which just plays into the hands of the anti brigade. Also if people worried about the laws getting stricter then all the real zoo's would also try and give up their sexuality and try to live "normal" lives. Oddly I don't see that happening anytime soon either. And if we are not scared of the increasing harshness of the laws why does anyone think some abusive scumbag is going to be concerned. Goddammit, I'm normally more realistic than that. I guess now that I think about it it is wishful thinking that making something illegal makes it stop happening. I guess at the point I wrote that I wasn't thinking much about it. But then, when you think about it, looser laws or special permits are also wishful thinking. In a perfect world that would be dandy, but we all must work with what little we have.Lexxistray also makes a good point. It's funny that I often use that exact argument that taking something away or making the punishment worse makes no difference to those who commit such crimes. Of course, I often use that in defense of firearm possession rights.So for this, I award myself a /facedesk, because I feel I've earned it by typing faster than thinking.
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QUOTE (jeepdog89 @ Apr 28 2011, 08:38 PM) But then, when you think about it, looser laws or special permits are also wishful thinking. In a perfect world that would be dandy, but we all must work with what little we have. Very trueQUOTE Lexxistray also makes a good point. It's funny that I often use that exact argument that taking something away or making the punishment worse makes no difference to those who commit such crimes. Of course, I often use that in defense of firearm possession rights.again very true. In the Uk when handguns were made illegal it had very little effect where it really mattered. That was in stopping the criminals getting guns. All it meant was the honest pistol owners lost their hobby or their means to protect themselves, their family and their property while the real dangerous people can still get them on the black market without even trying.Prohibitng something in this way to prevent criminal behaviour is NEVER going to work. In reality all it ever does is make innocent peoples lives harder while simultaneously creating income for criminals.
QUOTE (Sharkie626 @ Apr 25 2011, 02:11 AM) While you didnt say they were specifically here (on this site), if that stuff exists on here, it needs to be reported ASAP.To be honest and simple, I think the abuse line is fairly easy. Loving your pet and doing "loving" activities to them is NOT abuse. However, if you pet clearly shows signs that they are either not interested or do not appreciate what is being done, and the person keeps going for their own pleasure without consent of the animal, that can be described as abuse. (correct me if I'm wrong) I have and my wife we both grew up with our dogs.And never would we ever harm any one of them.They was part of our family.They always was part of our family.Why any one would want to harm there pets shouldnt be allowed to have them.
the abuse of animals is very bad their living also.Having sex with animals as long as it's not forced isn't bad. I can't stand when I see pics of animal abuse especially when the person who did it is proud of it
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i can remember a new person here back a year or so ago pm me and ask how to have sex with a female dog .i didnt think to much about it so i told him .he replyed that he was going to drug his female dog for the first time so she wouldnt fight him .i gess i dont have to tell you i never talked to him again and he didnt stay around long .i love my girls that is the differance .if you are around them long enough you will learn when they say no and when they say ,,,,,,,,gitter done !!!!as fare as that crap of tieing them up and hurting them thats just wrong .would like to put that person in a room with my germen girl and say ok tie her up .i always thought that was cool my germen girl is a dangerouse dog .i know that .its not how many ways could she hurt you its how many stiches it would take to get you to stop leaking .but she is gental to me .i gess respect fall in there some place if i respect her she will respect me if i dont well i get what i get
There are dogs that can consent and dogs that are willing lovers. I'm a zoo who believes before sex with a dog occurs there has to be compatibility. You don't rape an unwilling dog that cowers or does not want sex. Esp. if it is someone else's dog. A zoophile will know a connection and therefore will not abuse a dog, hopefully. I try to keep the copulation natural as it would if it were two dogs. I'm skeptical about dildog myself and would never restrain or muzzle an animal during sex. Of course paw bandages are to prevent scratches to human but thats it. And remember to praise the dog and help its sheath back over the penis. I believe a bestialist would be more likely to commit an abusive sexual act than a zoophile who has an explicit emotional connection with the animal.
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