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QUOTE http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100202/od_nm/us_bestialityBestiality ban to cut video sourceAMSTERDAM (Reuters) – The Internet potentially will lose one of its main sources of bestiality videos under a ban approved Tuesday by the upper house of the Dutch parliament.The new law bans human sex with animals, including in private situations where the animals are not injured, and prohibits the production or distribution of animal pornography, a summary of the law posted on the upper chamber's website said.Given the illicit nature of the product, precise figures on animal pornography video sales are difficult to find, but the Dutch newspaper Algemeen Dagblad, in a 2007 survey, found that distributors in the Netherlands were responsible for some 80 percent of bestiality videos worldwide.The bill was introduced in April 2007 and passed the lower house in July 2008, but took time to make its way through the upper house to final approval. It was not immediately clear how soon the law would go into effect.Sex with animals had been legal in the Netherlands, as long as it could be proven the animals were not injured.(Reporting by Ben Berkowitz; Editing by Michael Roddy)Saw this in the news, so figured it might be of interest to you all.Is Holland really still the main source for commercial animal porn? Seems to me that Brazil has long since overtaken it (in terms of volume).Anyway, wankers....
I guess this world is fast becoming like George Orwell's "1984, and the mind police"
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That is really very disapointing. Not much more to say...
That sucks muchly. Really really sucks. F king stupid self righteous cocks forcing there morals on situations they don't and can't be bothered to try and understand.Hungary make quite a few too from what I know. Still legal here. Not that it really helps me too much as is very doubtful i'll ever be living here fulltime. Way to hard to learn the language.
That's very disappointing but not surprising. People always seek to destroy what they can't understand.LTD
It's sad how this is becoming illegal in more places every day.It is such a misunderstood interest. We are the ones that love and care for our animals so much better then casual pet owners that really do mistreat and abuse there pets..
now if they start a ban on furry im just going to shot my self in the head. this is just so much bull that ppl cant understand how we feel
two years ago there where a news which says that "from now on sodomy shall be punished with up to six months in prison".I believe it when I see it on an official law page.did anyone know a page from their lawmakers? Find only any references to a not existing article in the Penal Code Book of Netherland.In Germany you can see on the page of the German Bundestag what they discuss there and if any new laws has been approved.Greetingscaballogermany
Heya caballogermany, this proposed law has been in the cards for a while. In March 2008 the following news article surfaced:QUOTE Dutch Parliament Bans Sex With Animals21 hours agoAMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) — The Dutch parliament voted unanimously Thursday to outlaw bestiality and pornography involving animals.Sex with animals and the making of animal pornography now will carry a punishment of up to six months in jail under the measure.Current Dutch law forbids bestiality only when animals are found to have been mistreated.Animal pornography is explicitly forbidden in 80 countries and pornographers had lobbied fiercely against a Dutch ban, said lawmaker Harm Evert Waalkens, who introduced the measure."The Netherlands is now a magnet for perversities and we don't want that," Waalkens said.Hosted by GoogleCopyright © 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.That article was released on the 13th of March 2008.When it came up there was a panic of sorts among a few people I knew who either hosted sites or ran their own which include pornography. Thankfully then there was a reassurance from the individual in the Netherlands who ran the servers that the proposed law as outlined above just went through it's first reading and would be a couple of years before anything else became of it. He was confident it wouldn't get very far but it has. An open question still remains over when it will be passed into law.. Perhaps someone who is more famiiar with the Dutch parliament and the Dutch law processes can better inform us but this is most definitely real. I will try to get in contact with a few people to get a better idea of timeline here as it is difficult to get a real idea through one news article. Will post what I find.
QUOTE (hitsugaya1987 @ Feb 3 2010, 10:13 AM) now if they start a ban on furry im just going to shot my self in the head. this is just so much bull that ppl cant understand how we feel Oh trust me. If my goverment gets to know about the very thin border between beastiality and furry then it's all over for furs as well... I'm starting to hate my country more and more each day as those Christian fooktards (no offence to the rest of the Christians here) - the 'CDA'- are banning virtualy EVERYTHING I like Meh the most 'liberal' country in the world... yeah right, in your on mind... for as long as that still remains
QUOTE (Landstreicher @ Feb 3 2010, 03:17 PM) When it came up there was a panic of sorts among a few people I knew who either hosted sites or ran their own which include pornography. Thankfully then there was a reassurance from the individual in the Netherlands who ran the servers that the proposed law as outlined above just went through it's first reading and would be a couple of years before anything else became of it. He was confident it wouldn't get very far but it has. An open question still remains over when it will be passed into law.. Perhaps someone who is more famiiar with the Dutch parliament and the Dutch law processes can better inform us but this is most definitely real. I will try to get in contact with a few people to get a better idea of timeline here as it is difficult to get a real idea through one news article. Will post what I find. Hey Land. I was speaking to a zoo friend I have in Holland and it is fully and completely passed apparently. By five votes (no idea if thats a big or small margin).Edit: Not sure yet when its actually going to begin being enacted though. That could take up to a year or more apparently according to someone else I know over there.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Feb 3 2010, 02:58 PM) QUOTE (Landstreicher @ Feb 3 2010, 03:17 PM) When it came up there was a panic of sorts among a few people I knew who either hosted sites or ran their own which include pornography. Thankfully then there was a reassurance from the individual in the Netherlands who ran the servers that the proposed law as outlined above just went through it's first reading and would be a couple of years before anything else became of it. He was confident it wouldn't get very far but it has. An open question still remains over when it will be passed into law.. Perhaps someone who is more famiiar with the Dutch parliament and the Dutch law processes can better inform us but this is most definitely real. I will try to get in contact with a few people to get a better idea of timeline here as it is difficult to get a real idea through one news article. Will post what I find. Hey Land. I was speaking to a zoo friend I have in Holland and it is fully and completely passed apparently. By five votes (no idea if thats a big or small margin).Edit: Not sure yet when its actually going to begin being enacted though. That could take up to a year or more apparently according to someone else I know over there. Heya dirtbiker2000, that is good to know and thanks for the info. At least if it does take a year to be made into law people who have interests as far as the pornography industry and their own personal or other websites have time to get things moved and possibly set up in other countries.
One of the people I know over there is involved in the adult industry and he reckons that at the moment the main aim of the bill is to scare the larger hosts away. It won't be till the law is actually enabled that they will start looking for the smaller suppliers and then the non suppliers but active zoo's. Apparently Denmark is a possible place for some to move too and I reckon there will be an increase in Hungary also as theres already a fair bit of production over here just not much hosting of sites going on. Most suprisingly I was told that even though alot of sites were hosted from the Netherlands the actual amount of material produced there was quite low so i'm not sure if it will have that large of an impact overall on the distribution. Especially as there is plenty of time for the larger websites to shift away before they are at any risk of prosecution. Don't rely 100% on that but I am going on information from people there and involved in the industry.
Freind of mine, lives in the Netherlands *looks up* fiestaGT already posted here but he just told me the sentences that people want to impose it's a minority of the politicians but still, they are shocking.It seems i beat him here to post it myself, and i haven't been able to verify but apparently they want to arrest people for visiting zoo related sites and downloading/uplaoading zoo related content. Sentences to include 4 years imprisonment and/or a 250,000 euro fine!!!i'm sure you'll agree that even if punsishing for bestiality is wrong and unjust anyways but even if you agreed with that I'm sure those sentences are wayy to severe. Hell, apparently some on the far left are even pushing for chemical castration - mandatory medication to decrease libido and limit sex drive. It's coming people, restriction of infomation takes a tighter hold everyday. Hell i can't even think of an insult that would be evil enough for these people. Let's hope that the things they have already passed will be enough to placate the exremists eh? Fuckin ers
QUOTE (Fiesta GT SI @ Feb 3 2010, 02:43 PM) QUOTE (hitsugaya1987 @ Feb 3 2010, 10:13 AM) now if they start a ban on furry im just going to shot my self in the head. this is just so much bull that ppl cant understand how we feel Oh trust me. If my goverment gets to know about the very thin border between beastiality and furry then it's all over for furs as well... I'm starting to hate my country more and more each day as those Christian fooktards (no offence to the rest of the Christians here) - the 'CDA'- are banning virtualy EVERYTHING I like Meh the most 'liberal' country in the world... yeah right, in your on mind... for as long as that still remains As Dutchy myself I'm also quite disappointed, but do let it be known that the Christian party CDA voted against the law because they didn't see the point since there was already an animal cruelty law.Blame the overactive -need to get quick votes from the masses- PvdA for this one.
Im suprised that this morality law is excepted, were those this end?! Who are they to judge if animalsex is dirty!? So if the majority decide that farting is dirty they gonna forbid this also?Yeh its good to have a law against animal abuse. But there is a difference between abusing/hurting animals and bestiality. The main reasson they introduced the law is that 75% of the animalporn is produced here in the Netherlands.
QUOTE (sengir84 @ Feb 3 2010, 08:18 PM) QUOTE (Fiesta GT SI @ Feb 3 2010, 02:43 PM) QUOTE (hitsugaya1987 @ Feb 3 2010, 10:13 AM) now if they start a ban on furry im just going to shot my self in the head. this is just so much bull that ppl cant understand how we feel Oh trust me. If my goverment gets to know about the very thin border between beastiality and furry then it's all over for furs as well... I'm starting to hate my country more and more each day as those Christian fooktards (no offence to the rest of the Christians here) - the 'CDA'- are banning virtualy EVERYTHING I like Meh the most 'liberal' country in the world... yeah right, in your on mind... for as long as that still remains As Dutchy myself I'm also quite disappointed, but do let it be known that the Christian party CDA voted against the law because they didn't see the point since there was already an animal cruelty law.Blame the overactive -need to get quick votes from the masses- PvdA for this one. Sorry about the CDA and PvdA mix-up...Still, the fact remains that it's a prestige-law which destroys more then it "heals".
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QUOTE (The G @ Feb 3 2010, 10:37 PM) The main reasson they introduced the law is that 75% of the animalporn is produced here in the Netherlands. Apparently not from what I have been told by someone involved in the production industry who lives in Holland. Just happens that alot of the servers for the big companies are based there and alot of distibution happens from there. I was really suprised because I always thought it was mostly made in Holland but apparently now a days way more is from South America, then Eastern Europe. Which makes sense when you think about it and look at the vids out there.
just a quick question....seeing as a lot of the zoo sites are hosted in the Netherlands..what will happen to these sites??? i believe that even beastforum is hosted there. man this sucks
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QUOTE (zoolover1957 @ Feb 5 2010, 08:53 PM) i believe that even beastforum is hosted there. man this sucks I have been wondering about that. Hope it doesn't become an issue. Though I am sure Beaker has contingency plans.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Feb 3 2010, 11:59 PM) QUOTE (The G @ Feb 3 2010, 10:37 PM) The main reasson they introduced the law is that 75% of the animalporn is produced here in the Netherlands. Apparently not from what I have been told by someone involved in the production industry who lives in Holland. Just happens that alot of the servers for the big companies are based there and alot of distibution happens from there. I was really suprised because I always thought it was mostly made in Holland but apparently now a days way more is from South America, then Eastern Europe. Which makes sense when you think about it and look at the vids out there. They publiced in the Netherlands multiple media that 75% of the animal porn comes from Holland. And that is the main reasson why they wanted to change the law to forbid it.Altough im not a expert in this i believe you right that its mainly distribution and servers that are hosted in the Netherlands. Dont think we produce much animalsex vids in the Netherlands nowadays. To be honest i wish they did cause i personaly think those vids from the 70s produced in europe are much much better then those brazilian sh*t. (For example the movies from color climax produced in denmark.)
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Feb 5 2010, 10:39 PM) QUOTE (zoolover1957 @ Feb 5 2010, 08:53 PM) i believe that even beastforum is hosted there. man this sucks I have been wondering about that. Hope it doesn't become an issue. Though I am sure Beaker has contingency plans. If remember this right Beastforum was indeed hosted in The Netherlands. But Beaker moved 1 or 2 years ago to a other country.
QUOTE (The G @ Feb 6 2010, 12:49 AM) QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Feb 5 2010, 10:39 PM) QUOTE (zoolover1957 @ Feb 5 2010, 08:53 PM) i believe that even beastforum is hosted there. man this sucks I have been wondering about that. Hope it doesn't become an issue. Though I am sure Beaker has contingency plans. If remember this right Beastforum was indeed hosted in The Netherlands. But Beaker moved 1 or 2 years ago to a other country. Good old Beaker one step ahead of the game. But then to be honest I wouldn't expect any less. Knowing that makes me smile inside at.....er....things Also I so agree on the porn comment. Most of this modern Brazilian rubbish is just lame. But then to me there are only 2 distributors of premium zoo content worth considering if you want real action from genuine porn stars.
Right, the exact law as it was written in it's original language is as follows:QUOTE (Dutch Parliament)1Eerste Kamer der Staten-Generaal 1Vergaderjaar 2007-200831009 Voorstel van wet van het lid Waalkens houdende strafbaarstellingvan het plegen van ontuchtige handelingen met dieren enpornografie met dieren (verbod seks met dieren)A GEWIJZIGD VOORSTEL VAN WET1 juli 2008Wij Beatrix, bij de gratie Gods, Koningin der Nederlanden, Prinses van Oranje-Nassau,enz. enz. enz.Allen, die deze zullen zien of horen lezen, saluut! doen te weten:Alzo Wij in overweging genomen hebben, dat het wenselijk is ontuchtige handelingenmet dieren en pornografie met dieren strafbaar te stellen en daartoe het Wetboek vanStrafrecht en het Wetboek van Strafvordering te wijzigen;Zo is het, dat Wij, de Raad van State gehoord, en met gemeen overleg der Staten-Generaal, hebben goedgevonden en verstaan, gelijk Wij goedvinden en verstaan bijdeze:ARTIKEL INa artikel 253 van het Wetboek van Strafrecht worden twee artikelen ingevoegd, dieluiden:Artikel 254Hij die ontuchtige handelingen pleegt met een dier wordt gestraft met gevangenisstrafvan ten hoogste een jaar en zes maanden of geldboete van de vierde categorie.Artikel 254a1. Met gevangenisstraf van ten hoogste zes maanden of geldboete van de derdecategorie wordt gestraft degene die een afbeelding – of een gegevensdrager, bevattendeeen afbeelding – van een ontuchtige handeling, waarbij een mens en een dier zijnbetrokken of schijnbaar zijn betrokken, verspreidt, openlijk tentoonstelt, vervaardigt,invoert, doorvoert, uitvoert of in bezit heeft.2. Met gevangenisstraf van ten hoogste een jaar of geldboete van de vierde categoriewordt gestraft degene die van het plegen van een van de misdrijven, omschreven in heteerste lid, een beroep of een gewoonte maakt.ARTIKEL IIIn artikel 67, eerste lid, onderdeel b, van het Wetboek van Strafvordering wordt na“137g, tweede lid,” ingevoegd: 254a,.ARTIKEL IIIDeze wet treedt in werking op een bij koninklijk besluit te bepalen tijdstip.2 / 2Lasten en bevelen dat deze in het Staatsblad zal worden geplaatst en dat alleministeries, autoriteiten, colleges en ambtenaren wie zulks aangaat, aan de nauwkeurigeuitvoering de hand zullen houden.GegevenDe Minister van Justitie, A very rough translation using an online translator is as follows:QUOTE (bablefish)1 Upper Chamber of the Staten-Generaal 1 Vergaderjaar 2007-2008 31009 proposal of law of the member Waalkens concerning strafbaarstelling of committing ontuchtige operations with animals and pornography with animals (prohibition sex with animals) A MODIFIED PROPOSAL OF LAW 1 July 2008 We Beatrix, at the reprieve god, queen of the Netherlands, princess of Oranje-Nassau, etc. etc. etc. All, that will hear read these see or, salute! to do namely: Alzo we have considered, which it is desirable ontuchtige operations with animals and put pornography with animals illegal and to this end the statute book of criminal law and the statute book of sentence progress to modify; Thus it, that we have approved, the Council of State heard, and with malicious consultation of the states general, is and understood, right we approve and understood at these: ARTICLE I After Article 253 of the statute book of criminal law two Article are inserted, which sound: Article 254 He those ontuchtige operations commits with an animal is punished with prison sentence of highly a year and six months or money fine of the fourth category. Article 254a 1. With prison sentence of highly six months or money fine of the third category is punished the one which an image - or a fact bearer, containing an image - of ontuchtige an operation, where people and an animal have been involved or have been seemingly involved, spread, openly exhibits, manufactures, sails in, passes through, carries out or in possession has. 2. With prison sentence of highly a year or money fine of the fourth category it is punished the one which defined of committing of the indictable offences, in the first paragraph, a profession or a habit makes. ARTICLE II In Article 67, first paragraph, component b, of the statute book of sentence progress becomes after 137g, second paragraphs, inserted: 254a. ARTICLE III This law becomes effective on at Royal Decree time to stipulate. 2/2 Charges and commands that these in the Bulletin of Acts, Orders and Decrees will be placed and that all ministries, authorities, colleges and civil servants who contract this, to the precise implementation will keep the hand. Given The Attorney General,
We all know how hot the Brazillian women are with their horses and dogs.
The server of beastforum.com is in Denmarkdon't know the international laws but for example if you are a website operator and live in germany you have to follow the german law - even if the server is in hungary, denkmark etc.so the operator of the forum seems to be the company DataWorld BVGeerland 121433 JR KudelstaatThe Netherlands (see contact support)don't know what they might make
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