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Well I was purley wondering; I have taken to putting furry and yiffy, artwork up around the place. I changed the theme on my phone - it is now orientated around to furs sucking each other off. A couple of times I have been in uni and been working away on my laptop leaving similarly minded desktops on there, If am feeling particularly daredevil. I sometimes feel like I don't want to care, I have never had qualms about what others think of me but this lifestyle is something I have allways hidden. Bestiality is illegal in Britain after all but bestiality and furry art are not the same thing.Obviously some fox or wolf displaying his goods is a prettey obvious hint but there are days when I leave these hints available to the people around me, my freinds etc. I often do that to people though. Dare them to 'make something of it' many people have become too... I don't know, subservient? to make a scene etc. (that is just a view on people not what this post is here for though) To clarify, I am happy in my feelings, I don't seek support but I was curious as to if there are any other members who have done similar things, or feel the same. Feel rebellious against the world for supressing them. How has that rebelliousness manifested or have you 'kept it down'?Let me know, Thanks
Well... I used to hide it all, but I guess I just became careless I got a Zeta tattoo in an often seen location (on my bicep - I often walk around without a shirt); I, too, have furry art decorating my walls... and there are some Zeta toys just sitting in my shower for anyone to happen in upon (which has happened before) I don't really broadcast it, but if people ask I generally hint at it Consider this youthful recklessness, or a liberal mindset - I don't care; either way, I just be who I am. A secret's not going to stop that from happening
I like the sound of toys in the showerthanks
Depends on where you live, I guess.No, never. I wouldn't do well in a confined space for an extended period........
personally i have felt Rebellious but that was like when i wanted to make trouble like picking fights with chavs but nothing of a sexual nature Rebellious, well u could say with us on here we are being non conformist to societies views on natural sex so therefore we are all "Rebellious" in that sector but rock on
No. Never. The consequences of being outed are too catastrophic to make any small pleasure I might get out of it not worth the pain.LTD
No. Never. The consequences of being outed are too catastrophic to make any small pleasure I might get out of it not worth the pain.LTD you make a valid point
Hi,I think the most I've done is defended alternative lifestyles, but never specifically beastiality or zoo. I mean, I know what goes on in my mind, and while I'm not interested in alternatives (fill in your own blanks here), I feel I'm in no position to cast judgement on what turns others on.I'm sure that others would find my 'interests' totally over the top, so how can I possibly condemn them? Just because I'm not interested doesn't make it wrong.So I end up defending alternative lifestyles pretty vigiorously - which may have caused others to draw conclusions, but if they have, they haven't voiced them to either me or hubby.Just my take on the topic!SmilesDonna
I'm not sure of the laws surrounding bestaility in every country but I know that in Britain the only thing preventing it is Animal rights laws it is not actually illegal in and of itself but that doesn't stop convictions.As such, technically there is nothing wrong wth yiffy art. It doesn't harm any animals! so I allow myself a few glimmers of my lifestyle outside the privacy of my home as my way of sying to the world that this is me. Just stuff like my av, nothing too serious; sublte, not obvious. I would never do the same with actual bestiality images.
QUOTE (dblinsey_99 @ Sep 14 2009, 10:43 PM) Hi,I think the most I've done is defended alternative lifestyles, but never specifically beastiality or zoo. I mean, I know what goes on in my mind, and while I'm not interested in alternatives (fill in your own blanks here), I feel I'm in no position to cast judgement on what turns others on.I'm sure that others would find my 'interests' totally over the top, so how can I possibly condemn them? Just because I'm not interested doesn't make it wrong.So I end up defending alternative lifestyles pretty vigiorously - which may have caused others to draw conclusions, but if they have, they haven't voiced them to either me or hubby.Just my take on the topic!SmilesDonna Please don't feel that I condemn people, I am in agreement with you, obviously this life isn't for everyone. I often catch myself walking around thinking bestiality is the norm, I forget that some people around me don't eben know it as a concept. I wonder if I place the images in sight to draw people in?? many aren't as curious as i am, I wonder if people would even ask? If they saw my desktop or the wallpaper on my phone.I merley was asking if other members did similar things, with images, toys tatoos etc. and why?
There's a bit of a difference between being open about furry and being open about bestiality...Everyone who meets me knows I'm a furry. My husband and I are active in the furry community and primarily associate with furries, go to cons, etc. Furry is legal.Only the people I trust know I'm a zoo. I love my pets too much to risk their lives on my own pride. I defend 'alternate lifestyles' and even specifically bestiality if someone else brings it up, but only ever from a non-personal, 'if it doesn't hurt anyone what's the harm' sort of standpoint.It simply isn't worth the risk to myself, my pets, my family, my partner, my roommate, my friends, or other zoos who might be affected by any tightening of laws resulting from another bestiality arrest.
I agree about the difference between furry and zoophilia. But as far as zoophilia goes, it's not just about the law. If people want to get at you, they wll get at you. I'm talking about things like loss of job, loss of home, community austricization and the like. Personally, I don't want the hassel.LTD
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I have felt quite rebellious sevaral times I have left files on my computer that could have been easily seen by any of my friends I think that for me it comes from wanting to tell somebody but not being brave enough to do it i have a friend who im sure would be okay with it but i have never told him ive tried but i was never able to do it i have been careless sometimes but recently i have been more careful because if the wrong person found out i could lose so much
I've never really flaunted my lifestyle anywhere where work mates can see or hear it. My line of work is too easily threatened by misconceptions about what I do. But I live fairly far from where I work so I usually and openly wear my zeta pendant for all to see. I even have a zeta sticker pasted to my mail box. Though I've yet to get any response to it.
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QUOTE (hal-9000 @ Sep 16 2009, 03:04 AM) I have felt quite rebellious sevaral times I have left files on my computer that could have been easily seen by any of my friends I think that for me it comes from wanting to tell somebody but not being brave enough to do it i have a friend who im sure would be okay with it but i have never told him ive tried but i was never able to do it i have been careless sometimes but recently i have been more careful because if the wrong person found out i could lose so much I have confided in but a single freind. It is a help, to talk about it with him, looking at these responses I think I have a more throwaway attitude than normal to the consequences. I don't like have a job I could lose over it yet though and My family would be mostly accepting of it. Maybe less to lose or maybe i don't realise the consequences. Puts me more on edge.
well, i am gettin a paw print tat on tha back of either shoulder I've told a long time friend about bein a zoo and he was cool about it so i guess i'm a little rebellious
"well, i am gettin a paw print tat on tha back of either shoulder"I've often considered getting them on my hips or inner thighs, pointing down.
Well my phone background is the paw/hoof print combination with a zeta symbol that is the centre of my avatar. Also my bluetooth name on one of my phones used to be Knotty. That confused a few people when we were sending stuff to each others phones. My other phones bluetooth name is Dobie. I also have the amazing T-shirt made by T-shirt Hell that has the horse mounting a girl on a bed with the words May The Horse Be With You. Its the only Tshirt i've ever worn that has got a proper reaction out of someone (not directly to me but I saw them pointing at me and talking to their friend in a shocked manner)I don't really care where I wear it. Except I wouldn't wear it at college as that might be a touch awkward. I also want a nice zeta tattoo when I have the money. Thats about it for me in terms of being blatant
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Ohh, nice tshirt, now that is glorious, I wouldn't go as far as putting it on a tshirt. and i certainly would be very careful where i wore it. You get my compliments and my vote
every since reading and posting on this topic i have been feeling much more rebellious the idea seems to be stuck in my head i have been less cautious im thinking about wearing a pendant with a zeta symbol and a pawprint on it i have seriously been thinking about telling one of my good friends i have really needed some to talk to face to face without having to lie all the time
I wish I was confident as you d0ggyd0er Getting outed seems like a horrible nightmare to me.
QUOTE (hal-9000 @ Sep 21 2009, 03:56 AM) every since reading and posting on this topic i have been feeling much more rebellious the idea seems to be stuck in my head i have been less cautious im thinking about wearing a pendant with a zeta symbol and a pawprint on it i have seriously been thinking about telling one of my good friends i have really needed some to talk to face to face without having to lie all the time I'm sorry if I have awakened that need inside you or if you hoped to keep it dammed down or not to feel it at all Of the hundreds of people i know only 3 know of my zoophilia and only 2 are wholly accepting of it. but that is enough. just that small number can help greatly. After only 5 days of going out with her i told my current girlfreind. she was fine with it and curious and it was great. that was only 2 day's ago! I hope you can find someone.Maybe subtle hints is the right direction, start moving what we do into society in tiny little trickles, piece by piece and eventually society will become more resilient to it.(again musing aloud here)If you get a tattoo or a necklace of a paw print or zeta symbol. No one is going to know it's meaning accept you or other zoophiles and even other zoophiles won't neccessarily be certain, especially if they fear the risk of discovery. We loop back to; even if people suspect something thing they woon't make a thing of it. the taboo is too great or the consequences too severe.These small things in your life (jewellery, tattoos etc.) Is a way of you saying to the world that you are zoo, even if they can't recognise the signs. it is a release for you but the interpretation is blocked by non zoo's lack of knowledge of the symbolism. like you are shouting to the world your desires but it just can't hear you
QUOTE (moranforpitbull @ Sep 21 2009, 01:39 PM) I wish I was confident as you d0ggyd0er Getting outed seems like a horrible nightmare to me. Thank you. I'm not sure if i'm confident or just foolhardy. maybe it's the same thing?for many of us, being found out is a nightmare. It is for me, but I don't fear being found out about zoophillia. (other things) i made sure that the important people in my life - Those who's opinins mattered most to me - knew. It was very hard but I did it, just came out with it. fortunatley that only amounted to one person. I don't care about most people's opinions of me. Nor do i fear the physical reprecussions (jail etc.)
Just going to post these two pic's think they are relevant, done the second cause there is a bit of blur on the first.Description To Follow
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Ok so that is an art piece I just got back from the exam board. I did it at A - level, and it serves to highlight some of the points i have made above.The project was autobiographical and early on in the project i felt that at that time a major part of me was my sexuality now obviosly i had to be subtle about it but i wanted to include some evidence of my preferences in the image. Now every element in there has meaning and everyhting we do and piant has to be backed up and tried and tested etc.To me anthro art is defintive of bestiality, a way of showing it without showing it. so In my project book i did this whole bit about. if i wanted to be an animal, what would i be - Which would be a wolf (for obvious reasons ) and pretended to 'find out' about anthro art and so included it in my final piece, as the main element.Now i have a piece which screams at me about my sexuality - somehitng i consider to be a massive part of who i am and what defines me. and to the rest of the world I have a B grade art piece with 'interesting artistic influences'... Thanks for listeningWhat ya think???
QUOTE (hal-9000 @ Sep 21 2009, 04:56 AM) every since reading and posting on this topic i have been feeling much more rebellious the idea seems to be stuck in my head i have been less cautious im thinking about wearing a pendant with a zeta symbol and a pawprint on it i have seriously been thinking about telling one of my good friends i have really needed some to talk to face to face without having to lie all the time I really want a zeta pendant. Would wear it constantly if I had one as to me it seems like quite a nice discreet way of showing my feelings. And that is a lovely picture doggiedoer. I had to save it then rotate it 90 degrees to see it properly as nearly fell off the bed trying to look at it while it was turned
phew, little rant there. Don't mind me
QUOTE (d0ggieD0er @ Sep 22 2009, 12:29 AM) phew, little rant there. Don't mind me Didn't seem to much of a rant to me dude
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Sep 21 2009, 11:29 PM) And that is a lovely picture doggiedoer. I had to save it then rotate it 90 degrees to see it properly as nearly fell off the bed trying to look at it while it was turned He he, thank you and sorry about that
No problem dude
QUOTE (d0ggieD0er @ Sep 21 2009, 10:39 PM) QUOTE (hal-9000 @ Sep 21 2009, 03:56 AM) every since reading and posting on this topic i have been feeling much more rebellious the idea seems to be stuck in my head i have been less cautious im thinking about wearing a pendant with a zeta symbol and a pawprint on it i have seriously been thinking about telling one of my good friends i have really needed some to talk to face to face without having to lie all the time I'm sorry if I have awakened that need inside you or if you hoped to keep it dammed down or not to feel it at all Of the hundreds of people i know only 3 know of my zoophilia and only 2 are wholly accepting of it. but that is enough. just that small number can help greatly. After only 5 days of going out with her i told my current girlfreind. she was fine with it and curious and it was great. that was only 2 day's ago! I hope you can find someone.Maybe subtle hints is the right direction, start moving what we do into society in tiny little trickles, piece by piece and eventually society will become more resilient to it.(again musing aloud here)If you get a tattoo or a necklace of a paw print or zeta symbol. No one is going to know it's meaning accept you or other zoophiles and even other zoophiles won't neccessarily be certain, especially if they fear the risk of discovery. We loop back to; even if people suspect something thing they woon't make a thing of it. the taboo is too great or the consequences too severe.These small things in your life (jewellery, tattoos etc.) Is a way of you saying to the world that you are zoo, even if they can't recognise the signs. it is a release for you but the interpretation is blocked by non zoo's lack of knowledge of the symbolism. like you are shouting to the world your desires but it just can't hear you you didnt awaken anything in me that i had been keeping dammed down but you did make me realize that i dont need to be so secretive i think i have been a bit paranoid recently i was acting like if i was found out that there would be an angry mob storming my house or something like that but some of the people i know would be okay with it and i can live without the others its not illegal where i live so i dont have much to worry about on that end sorry if my posts are short im posting from a psp
Ah, well then i'm glad i could help you realise that. I wish you the best of luck in letting someone know, finding someone to talk to. there are pleanty of accepting people out there. with the world we live in being so absessed with what is taboo, there are loads of people who have heard about bestiality and one can only be yay or nay about it. And your post are fine . Hell i'm sorry mine are so long
QUOTE (d0ggieD0er @ Sep 22 2009, 07:46 AM) QUOTE (moranforpitbull @ Sep 21 2009, 01:39 PM) I wish I was confident as you d0ggyd0er Getting outed seems like a horrible nightmare to me. Thank you. I'm not sure if i'm confident or just foolhardy. maybe it's the same thing?for many of us, being found out is a nightmare. It is for me, but I don't fear being found out about zoophillia. (other things) i made sure that the important people in my life - Those who's opinins mattered most to me - knew. It was very hard but I did it, just came out with it. fortunatley that only amounted to one person. I don't care about most people's opinions of me. Nor do i fear the physical reprecussions (jail etc.) You inspire me alot
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QUOTE (d0ggieD0er @ Sep 22 2009, 08:28 AM) there are pleanty of accepting people out there. Its surprising how many really. I have told several friends back home and have never had any one have a problem with it. And sometimes they ven have a laugh with me about it which is great. Feels nice to be able to be yourself with your friends. The only person I ever told who had an issue with ti was my (now ex) GF. She tried her best to make my life hell when we were together but without realising how much of a stubborn git I can be. So all she ever did was get herself in a state while I laughed.
I was speaking to a lady today about the internet and all the stuff on it.We got around to zoo and she mentioned she watched it when she was at school with the girls for a laugh.I could see by the glow on her face and the way she denied but had a playful smile across her face that she still watched it. Her denial was all revealing . I wanted to ask if we should watch for fun but I thought not.
I have a few friends at college who i'm very surprised with how often conversations about animal sex come up. And one of those people definitely seems like they may have a deeper interest in that side of thingsLast week me and these two people had a 10 minute conversation about that video of a guy getting pursued by a horny donkey and how easy it would be to avoid this if you were in that situation. Though I wish I could have said that running away would have been the last thing on my mind
QUOTE (d0ggieD0er @ Sep 22 2009, 07:28 AM) Ah, well then i'm glad i could help you realise that. I wish you the best of luck in letting someone know, finding someone to talk to. there are pleanty of accepting people out there. with the world we live in being so absessed with what is taboo, there are loads of people who have heard about bestiality and one can only be yay or nay about it. And your post are fine . Hell i'm sorry mine are so long well thank you you definitely boosted my confidence in telling someone although it will take me a while to make myself tell someone i know that it will take me a few tries to actually say it i think being in high school (thankfully not for much longer) makes me more nervous about such things than someone who isnt if it got out to everyone then i would have to deal with stares from both other students and teachers that would be extremely hard for anyone but for someone as shy as me it would be terrible
Only hinted at it, and those hints were pretty ambiguous.
I can't say that I have ever dropped anything even partially subtle in reference to my zoosexuality. Doing so is just far too dangerous with me living in a decidedly pro-heterosexual area and being employed at an animal hospital/kennel.There have been times where I have literally trembled in compulsion to spill my desires. I absolutely hate having to live in some degree of secrecy, acting through what I know others only want to see or could handle. Alas, the most I can dare myself to do is simply surround myself with non-explicit images of dogs that I dishonestly attribute to my love for my job... I loved dogs long before I was hired, and although my job has opened my heart to caring for the disadvantaged (and subsequently closed it off to the colder sides of humanity,) I know I already had the capacity to love them.It's with complete shame I say that I feel this will be something I take with me to the grave.
have toyed, with the ideaof getting a paw print tattoo on my boob, but thats as far as I have gone with it so far, and wether or not I take the plunge and do it remains to be seen, not that I know of a tatoo artist in myarea either, lol
been toying with the idea of getting paw print tatoo on my boob, everyone i know knows I am nuts abou my dog, they just dont knoww tothe degree, s theywil just think I am being more excentric than bfore, lol, but it is just an idea so far, and am not sure if i will go ahead and do it, or where I would get it done to be honest!
I think that my age ( 'over the hill.' I tend to be conservitive) plus the social ramifactions I would encounter prevent me from being as bold as you...Cudos.
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At this point in my life I have way too much at stake to let my true love show but the possibility of turning the corner in about 10 years exists as I will have reached an age where there is nothing but that love and at which I would not likely outlive the most undesirable of consequecnes. My willingness to out myself could change to suit the needs to get comfortably close to a fem pet.
There are some great furry art images I would love to get in hard copy (or originals!) to frame and display. Not to be rebellious, but just because they turn me on so. I wish I had someone to share it with.But, no.I also went through a stage where I told a lot of dirty jokes, or made a lot of sexual-slanted observations on things. I had a dirty mind, or one might say my "id" was trying to get me in trouble. My mind is still filled with sexual thoughts, but I guess I'm more accustomed to it now, and the nervous edge is gone. I still think, wouldn't it be awful if there were a real telepath somewhere in the crowd, reading my thoughts. Yikes!!!
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No, I don't drop hints. I do have a small necklace I wear, but your average person would never know what the paw print stands for.If I'm feeling rebellious, I'll drive over the speed limit or wear white after Labor Day. This side of me stays hidden, period.
I have only ever dropped hints to one person, and that's because at the time, he was my roommate. I had known this guy since junior high school, and we ended up getting an apartment, to finally set ourselves free from home living. As you may understand, it's not much fun to keep things hidden from someone you live with. Especially someone like my friend in question, who is extremely accepting of others' lifestyles, sexuality, etc. As a matter of fact, I was IMing with him several weeks before I moved in, and the subject of bestiality came up. He asked me if I thought it was ethical. I asked him his opinion, and he told me he doesn't see anything wrong with it as long as the animal is not being used or abused. I agreed with him and didn't expect the subject to come back up. He sent me a link to a youtube video, which was an excerpt from a documentary on zoophilia. The first hint I ever dropped him came next. I told him I would be right back (I had to take a dump), and came back with the message, "Sorry, that video really turned my crank."Well, after living with him for several months, and getting into the habit of drowsily bullshitting with each other until we fell asleep; The subject gradually came up more and more. At first, when he would drop a bestiality joke or what not, I would show a neutral response. After the 12th or 13th, I was in the habit of saying things like, "Hmmm, That sounds like a good time to me."Eventually, when on one of our late night convo's, the subject of sexuality came back, as he told me about one of his gay friends. He professed to being straight as an arrow, and not homophobic in the least. I turned to him and said, "So, have you figured me out yet, or do I have to put it to you bluntly?"His response: "Hell, I had you figured out after the 6th sheep joke."The only reason he figured me out is because I was dropping hints on a weekly (and eventually daily) basis. I do not let anything out around others, especially my own family. It was good to finally be able to access BF even when he was there.As far as the public eye, all anyone knows is that I am never seen with a girlfriend, and I have howling wolf decals on my rear-quarter windows. Not easy to decipher. I like to keep things simple.-jeep
I have a keychain dog tag that reads "Bitch", but then again, any college-age girl with "Bitch" as a keychain isn't considered weird.
I have 'come out' to two ppl. One ended a 4 year relationship (for the better anyways). And the other was to my wife, before we were married. Basicaly told her this is what i'm into. She is still wishy washy on it but is supportive of me. I have a zeta pin from zeta creations when they were selling them. I have worn it a few times but, with all the talk of dog tags and what not am thinking of getting one.
Felt rebellious.............No.........Asked someone spur of the moment.........Yes.......a couple of spontaneous questions at a local dog park............with interesting results......
I'll bet thats a great story, care to share? I am all ears!!
Awesome story, jeepdog. It's great to have a friend who is so accepting. Sounds like he figured it out a long time ago, but was always alright with it. I'd bet he at least knew a lot about the subject prior to mentioning it to you, for one reason or another.I used to tell a lot of bestiaity jokes when I was a bit younger. Mostly trying to feel out my friends for whatever reason, see if maybe they were zoo too. Mostly they'd just laugh and say it's gross. Did have one friend who had majored in animal husbandry in college, so he was always more than happy to share his experiences in that area. One of my best friends took quite well to my jokes, and even insisted that he'd been to a live sex show of a woman and a donkey before, and that he found it incredibly erotic. Not sure if I believe him, but it was interesting to hear him say that. He was in the Navy, suppose it's possible. We met up in Vegas last summer, and one of my jokes prompted him to say that sex with a mare was better than sex with a woman. I couldn't tell if he was joking or not, so I panicked and laughed it off. He did grow up on a farm. Someday I'll probably press him a bit more on the subject, he's a pretty outrageous guy, like me, not a lot offends him if anything.One thing I do these days, is I am not shy at all about showing affection towards dogs in public. Nothing sexual, just G-rated petting and cuddling. My wife says people notice, and while they probably don't suspect anything sexual, they certainly know I am very much a "dog person." That's fine with me. It has prompted some jokes from my Dad when I'm at family get-togethers. One of his more obvious ones happened when last week, my uncle told me in regard to his female GSD: "you can go outside and pet her if you like, she'll probably jump on you though." Which prompted my dad to jokingly interject, "I think you need to be more worried about him jumping on the dog!" So right you are, pops.
QUOTE (guthwulf @ Nov 27 2009, 06:38 PM) Awesome story, jeepdog. It's great to have a friend who is so accepting. Sounds like he figured it out a long time ago, but was always alright with it. I'd bet he at least knew a lot about the subject prior to mentioning it to you, for one reason or another. It really did help my day-to-day life knowing that at least someone knew and was okay with it. For some reason, it made me feel more confident about being zoo. And much more comfortable with it. I'm almost certain he had me figured out within a couple months of me moving in.-jeep
Z and I occasionally hint at it in mixed company, but only subtly enough that the other one gets it. It always makes us both smile a little.
most of the people that im around on a daily basis know im zoo.but,i see no reason to tell people .what i do in my bed room is between me and my girl dog no one else .
I did have a paw print made and put it on by back window. Not sure what people thouhgt. But it came off and i never got a new one. I did think of a tattoo but got scared and didn't do it. Where i live it is illegal so i don't like making it known.
was listening to Led Zeplin's Animal today, now there is a song for us, lol.....And I want, And I need, And I love, Animal........woohoo
How about ZZ Top, Got Me Under Pressure.....She likes co.....and flipin out with great danes.
QUOTE (mikkiwhite @ Nov 29 2009, 12:57 AM) was listening to Led Zeplin's Animal today, now there is a song for us, lol.....And I want, And I need, And I love, Animal........woohoo You mis-spelled "Def Leppard!" That ZZ Top song has always astounded me.
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QUOTE (Dogbert @ Nov 27 2009, 10:02 AM) I'll bet thats a great story, care to share? I am all ears!! Well.........If you must know.............I joined a dog park in my area. It was kind of weird all of the questions, the county asked, and then the need to be yet approved by a woman who was not employed by the county. She was slightly odd, owned two labs, and was there at the park often. One time we were alone and sitting on a bench facing each other. She was in her fifties and we actually had a lot in common. It was getting dark and her one lab was being very affectionate. He was not fixed and his cock had emerged from it"s sheath. I usually shoot straight and from the hip. I asked her if her dog liked her in a special way, and she said yes. I then told her that mine did too. She just stared at me as she spread her legs and allowed him to sniff at her panties under her skirt. She finally just asked me if that was what I meant. I shook my head yes, and just watched in amazement as she pulled her panties to the side, giving his tongue better access to her pussy. Then she just up and left.
In an earlier post to this topic I said that since I tend to be conservitive, I have not done anything that would be a sign of life. I was wrong and didn't even know it.I was with my freind totay talking about this very subject (she is the only one outside of BF who knows this about me) and realised that I have been "adversting" my lifestyle in an obscure way for many years.When I was in college I was requried to do observational studies of one of the great apes. I was in the middle of my deepest "relationship" at the time but had not heard of Zoophillia. However, I obviously knew how I felt about patrner and my prefference for his "family."While at the zoo duing my required work, I happend to come across a gift shop. I thought to myself that since I have a great love for all species, and at that the time feeling like I was the only one, I purchased an item that for me, represented my zoo feelings (ironic).The item I bougt was so very mainstream at the time nobody would have been able to understand the signifgance that it had fo rme. I realised today however, that the item is now rare. It was only made to marked the opening of the zoo's new exhibit, whitch I was studiyng for my class (I must admit that I found my observations to be somewhat erotic to me).Even though the item is not a paw print or the such, the item is rare, and I purchesd it specificly for me to express my Zoo love. I was and am being rebellious I suppose.If any Bf member happens to be in the greater L. A. area, and you see a guy wearing a green cap with an orangutan stiched on the front, and Los Angeles Zoo wrtitten on it, this was and is my (probably one of a kind at this point) way of being bold. How very interesting that the caption on the cap says, Los angeles Zoo, i forgot about this until now. If any BF member catches me, feel free to send me a PM on this site.
when I suspect that a friend may be interested in it, I'll usually wait until we've been drinking and try and maneuver the conversation to the area of weird sex, and drop hints about it that way, while I don't hint that I have sex with animals I'll probe around to see where she stands on the topic and go from there, if she seems open to it I'll eventually drop hints and (hopefully) admit to being into it, otherwise I just never mention it again.
QUOTE (ErrWolf @ Nov 29 2009, 03:59 AM) QUOTE (mikkiwhite @ Nov 29 2009, 12:57 AM) was listening to Led Zeplin's Animal today, now there is a song for us, lol.....And I want, And I need, And I love, Animal........woohoo You mis-spelled "Def Leppard!" That ZZ Top song has always astounded me. oooops
QUOTE (guthwulf @ Nov 27 2009, 09:38 AM)One thing I do these days, is I am not shy at all about showing affection towards dogs in public. Nothing sexual, just G-rated petting and cuddling. My wife says people notice, and while they probably don't suspect anything sexual, they certainly know I am very much a "dog person." That's fine with me. It has prompted some jokes from my Dad when I'm at family get-togethers. One of his more obvious ones happened when last week, my uncle told me in regard to his female GSD: "you can go outside and pet her if you like, she'll probably jump on you though." Which prompted my dad to jokingly interject, "I think you need to be more worried about him jumping on the dog!" So right you are, pops. I've always been the same way, but now that I have my own dog it's more prominent. If I'm ever watching a movie or something, and Nikki is there, I'm almost always laying with her. She makes the best pillow. I also generally spend more time getting to know new dogs than the new dogs owner. People notice, some think it's a little weird but who cares. I'm just a dog person.
That is kinda funny, because for the most part I always tell it like it is. If you don't like it than to damn bad. However when it comes to animals and being bi, generally never say a peep. A few people know, and they have been mostly accepting of it. Mentioned it to the wife, she is at that wishy washy stage
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QUOTE (mack500 @ Dec 2 2009, 09:34 PM) Mentioned it to the wife, she is at that wishy washy stage I sure know that stage well... My wife is the same way. One day she's encouraging me to be "active" and is excited about us getting a bitch someday, the next day she is talking about leaving me. It is a whole lot to take in though, so I try not to get frustrated.
Hey, great topic. I'm sorry I've been a member of this sight for such a long and not really posted much. That was partly because I was married for most of that time and my wife was not a fan so I pretty much didn't come on here. Now that I'm getting divorced and already looking for a new girlfriend, this whole subject has come back into my life. I've got a lot to say, but I'll try to stay on topic here I have always been a pretty shy person, and while that has changed a bit in the past few years, I am still not as open about my sexuality as a lot of people. I told my (ex)wife shortly after we started dating because we were still young and I was still trying to figure things out. Because she wasn't into it, however, I pretty much didn't even hint at anything zoo related during our relationship.For the last year, we have been separated, and I have started talking about my sexuality to my friends. I haven't told them straight out about zoo, but I am happy to bring up jokes when I think of them. It seems like at least one of my friends, and his wife, bring up the subject quite a bit, though I'm not sure if that means anything. Because I have places to vent, like this forum, I don't see any need really to tell people in my "real" life. There just isn't any reason they need to know.As far as dating is concerned, it's a much tougher question. A good relationship is more important to me than zoo, but if I could get both at the same time I would be very happy. There is a girl I've been flirting with a lot lately. I would really like to have a relationship with her, but she has a rather prudish attitude. Thankfully, she has said that she wants to change this. We have talked about sex a few times and she seems to be a pretty open person who just hasn't been exposed to much. I have brought up beastiality a number of times, and she hasn't been "scared away" yet.I am very tempted to read into her comments as her being interested, but it's such a hard thing to tell. For example, I told her how it used to be common for a farmer to have sex with the cow because it was easier than convincing his tired wife (this according to sharkie ). Her reply was "smart man." That sounds so promising, but when you are balancing the prospect of a good relationship it is a tough call to make. I'm sure I'll have to play it by ear as we always do, but I have a hard time believing that I won't get drunk or desperate enough at some point that I'll tell her.Thanks for all the stories guys, they are very interesting.a42579
I have come out to 2 people... my current boyfriend and a friend of mine. My friend told me that he thought it was weird, but my boyfriend totally supports itI don't know if I've dropped any hints besides being really affectionate with animals...I recently visited my cousins, and they laughed at me for paying more attention to their golden retriever than all of them combined. Back when I realized I was bisexual, I used to set my wallpaper to pictures of naked women every now and then.. never with the intention of getting caught, but just for this strange inner sense of rebellion, I guess. Now that I think about it, my current background is a zebra! This is a great thread
QUOTE (LongThinDane @ Sep 15 2009, 03:25 PM) I agree about the difference between furry and zoophilia. But as far as zoophilia goes, it's not just about the law. If people want to get at you, they wll get at you. I'm talking about things like loss of job, loss of home, community austricization and the like. Personally, I don't want the hassel.LTD I agree LTD, there is much at stake and I do not want to be ostracized by society. I wish it was not the case.Thank goodness for places like BF, where I can converse with like minded people and not feel like a freak
QUOTE (d0ggieD0er @ Sep 14 2009, 09:24 PM) Well I was purley wondering; I have taken to putting furry and yiffy, artwork up around the place. I changed the theme on my phone - it is now orientated around to furs sucking each other off. A couple of times I have been in uni and been working away on my laptop leaving similarly minded desktops on there, If am feeling particularly daredevil. I sometimes feel like I don't want to care, I have never had qualms about what others think of me but this lifestyle is something I have allways hidden. Bestiality is illegal in Britain after all but bestiality and furry art are not the same thing.Obviously some fox or wolf displaying his goods is a prettey obvious hint but there are days when I leave these hints available to the people around me, my freinds etc. I often do that to people though. Dare them to 'make something of it' many people have become too... I don't know, subservient? to make a scene etc. (that is just a view on people not what this post is here for though) To clarify, I am happy in my feelings, I don't seek support but I was curious as to if there are any other members who have done similar things, or feel the same. Feel rebellious against the world for supressing them. How has that rebelliousness manifested or have you 'kept it down'?Let me know, Thanks I've been reading...Actually, any fictional or real erotic art depicting an animal is illegal in the UK.Already, as you can see on FurAffinity's Twitter recently, a non-bestiality furry website was pulled down for 'obscenity', obviously because they were scared people might take it too far and start 'molesting' animals. Furry art also passes under the bestiality pornography law in France, Australia and under Belgium's necrophilia law (like wtf, even though zoosexual conduct is legal there). Even though it's a fantasy, it's considered that they are zoos trying to escape morality! My that is disgusting!Did you know people in the UK have tend to have the lowest IQ in the world ?It's not explicitly classed as illegal in NIRE, however.It was publication of Freddie the dolphin in newspapers that lead to moral panic, and hence the legislation - prior to that, both bestiality and animal sex pornography possession was legal since the 60s, prior to then you would have been sentenced to death under christian moral laws.I'd say you'd probably get let off with furry art, but just be careful, ok?Note to all, if caught, stress deep connection with those who know, make yourselves heard, it worked, now it is legal in Germany.Looks like its the morality, not the reality they are condemning.So according to such law givers, furries are bestialists, not matter how much fantasy the depictions are. They are labelled 'disturbingly graphic', 'extreme pornography'.I suggest you seriously look into this if skeptical.This is very scary.
I'm pretty much open about being a cetaceanphile.Doesn't cause much problems because in my line as a campaigner for the recognition of cetaceans as a sapient species group most people seem to accept that it comes with a 80% chance of being converted to cetaceanphile anyway. Though of course my direct family do not know, but I haven't even told my parents about my same sex relationships yet so the "mother... I'm a cetaceanphile" is gonna have to wait x)I think my father has guessed though in the last couple days, but he won't say anything, at least not over the phone x) Wait till monday maybe he'll be all like "holy...."Does cause problems if somebody arranging a beach party and I get invited. Have to explain each time that I'm not a one night stand kinda guy xDAs for "hinting" well... I'm not much into the porn type stuff for wallpaper, ect, but I do have a sculpture of a dolphin penis on top of my fireplace
QUOTE (silent_51 @ Dec 11 2009, 07:51 AM) I'm pretty much open about being a cetaceanphile.Doesn't cause much problems because in my line as a campaigner for the recognition of cetaceans as a sapient species group most people seem to accept that it comes with a 80% chance of being converted to cetaceanphile anyway. Though of course my direct family do not know, but I haven't even told my parents about my same sex relationships yet so the "mother... I'm a cetaceanphile" is gonna have to wait x)I think my father has guessed though in the last couple days, but he won't say anything, at least not over the phone x) Wait till monday maybe he'll be all like "holy...."Does cause problems if somebody arranging a beach party and I get invited. Have to explain each time that I'm not a one night stand kinda guy xDAs for "hinting" well... I'm not much into the porn type stuff for wallpaper, ect, but I do have a sculpture of a dolphin penis on top of my fireplace Can you send me some real dino porn ?
QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 10 2009, 11:10 PM) I've been reading...Actually, any fictional or real erotic art depicting an animal is illegal in the UK.Already, as you can see on FurAffinity's Twitter recently, a non-bestiality furry website was pulled down for 'obscenity', obviously because they were scared people might take it too far and start 'molesting' animals. Furry art also passes under the bestiality pornography law in France, Australia and under Belgium's necrophilia law (like wtf, even though zoosexual conduct is legal there). Even though it's a fantasy, it's considered that they are zoos trying to escape morality! My that is disgusting!Did you know people in the UK have tend to have the lowest IQ in the world ?It's not explicitly classed as illegal in NIRE, however.It was publication of Freddie the dolphin in newspapers that lead to moral panic, and hence the legislation - prior to that, both bestiality and animal sex pornography possession was legal since the 60s, prior to then you would have been sentenced to death under christian moral laws.I'd say you'd probably get let off with furry art, but just be careful, ok?Note to all, if caught, stress deep connection with those who know, make yourselves heard, it worked, now it is legal in Germany.Looks like its the morality, not the reality they are condemning.So according to such law givers, furries are bestialists, not matter how much fantasy the depictions are. They are labelled 'disturbingly graphic', 'extreme pornography'.I suggest you seriously look into this if skeptical.This is very scary. Hmmm, that's... intriuging truezoo. Thanks for that, i had no idea. I have deeper opinons on the matter, but at the time of this post I don't feel eloquent enough to put them to paper.I also want to thank everybody for their responses and for saying they like the thread. I was hoping it would spark some interesting discussion and I'm glad it has rekindled recently, your responses have been fascinating, keep them coming.
QUOTE (d0ggieD0er @ Dec 11 2009, 10:44 PM) QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 10 2009, 11:10 PM) I've been reading...Actually, any fictional or real erotic art depicting an animal is illegal in the UK.Already, as you can see on FurAffinity's Twitter recently, a non-bestiality furry website was pulled down for 'obscenity', obviously because they were scared people might take it too far and start 'molesting' animals. Furry art also passes under the bestiality pornography law in France, Australia and under Belgium's necrophilia law (like wtf, even though zoosexual conduct is legal there). Even though it's a fantasy, it's considered that they are zoos trying to escape morality! My that is disgusting!Did you know people in the UK have tend to have the lowest IQ in the world ?It's not explicitly classed as illegal in NIRE, however.It was publication of Freddie the dolphin in newspapers that lead to moral panic, and hence the legislation - prior to that, both bestiality and animal sex pornography possession was legal since the 60s, prior to then you would have been sentenced to death under christian moral laws.I'd say you'd probably get let off with furry art, but just be careful, ok?Note to all, if caught, stress deep connection with those who know, make yourselves heard, it worked, now it is legal in Germany.Looks like its the morality, not the reality they are condemning.So according to such law givers, furries are bestialists, not matter how much fantasy the depictions are. They are labelled 'disturbingly graphic', 'extreme pornography'.I suggest you seriously look into this if skeptical.This is very scary. Hmmm, that's... intriuging truezoo. Thanks for that, i had no idea. I have deeper opinons on the matter, but at the time of this post I don't feel eloquent enough to put them to paper.I also want to thank everybody for their responses and for saying they like the thread. I was hoping it would spark some interesting discussion and I'm glad it has rekindled recently, your responses have been fascinating, keep them coming. Did you know the US are trying to do the same, too?Even online in places like SL, MySpace and IMVU, depictions of animal/animorphic erotic art, bestiality or not is illegal, even though it's virtual reality, because of 'obscenity'.The crackdown is being publicised, creating more and more moral panic and more people voting for it to be made illegal / against the rules.Both websites and countries are now trying to get any implication of furry/bestiality sex art. According to the DSM, furries are bestialists who apply a consensual voice to animals 'delusionally' just so it seems 'ok' above 'bestiality' and the issue of consent, all other members are just 'fans' of it.Furries are therefore, trying to 'disassociate' themselves from 'bestialists' and 'zoophiles' alike by banning them from their websites, etc in order to improve their 'public image'.In truth, if you don't like the 'animal part' of the 'furry fandom', you might as well just like 'humans', so in technical terms, I somewhat see what they mean by 'improvised bestiality', though its not fair that bestiality is being ostracized in the first place, let alone 'fantasy'.
umm yes, i have been half following the little conflict between furries and zoo's, interesting times ahead. Hope you guys can stay ahead of the game in America but i think there may be enough pressure to pull legislation through already. (neither American legislation nor world current affairs being my strong point mind)
QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 11 2009, 12:10 AM) I've been reading...Actually, any fictional or real erotic art depicting an animal is illegal in the UK.Already, as you can see on FurAffinity's Twitter recently, a non-bestiality furry website was pulled down for 'obscenity', obviously because they were scared people might take it too far and start 'molesting' animals. Furry art also passes under the bestiality pornography law in France, Australia and under Belgium's necrophilia law (like wtf, even though zoosexual conduct is legal there). Even though it's a fantasy, it's considered that they are zoos trying to escape morality! My that is disgusting!Did you know people in the UK have tend to have the lowest IQ in the world ?It's not explicitly classed as illegal in NIRE, however.It was publication of Freddie the dolphin in newspapers that lead to moral panic, and hence the legislation - prior to that, both bestiality and animal sex pornography possession was legal since the 60s, prior to then you would have been sentenced to death under christian moral laws.I'd say you'd probably get let off with furry art, but just be careful, ok?Note to all, if caught, stress deep connection with those who know, make yourselves heard, it worked, now it is legal in Germany.Looks like its the morality, not the reality they are condemning.So according to such law givers, furries are bestialists, not matter how much fantasy the depictions are. They are labelled 'disturbingly graphic', 'extreme pornography'.I suggest you seriously look into this if skeptical.This is very scary. I'm not actually sure if furry art is covered by the law, though on the other hand i'm not sure if it isn't covered. I do know that the the claims for the law in Britain are to use it only in very few cases. Especially those more serious ones. What does bug me about it though is that the main change in the law was to prevent violent pornography supposedly to stop people getting influenced by what they see (the old computer game and rap music corrupting people BS argument all over again) and then committing crimes acting on these influences. The animal part seems to be just tagged on as an extra as it doesn't really fit into what the rest of the bill was supposedly trying to achieve. Although beastiality porn had been legal to posses in the UK I don't remember ever seeing it being sold anywhere except through mail order or online sources. And I have explored many a sex shop As for the act itself even when the death penalty was dropped (though it is very unlikely this would have been carried out any time in the last 60 years at the very least) in theory it is still punishable by life imprisonment though again it is very unlikely that you would actually go down for this long. Even after the current change in the porn laws. I even remember reading in Bizarre magazine a few years ago that someone arrested for beastiality is more likely to be sentenced to psychiatric help rather than a custodial sentence. As for the lowest IQ thing I would be interested to know where you got that fact from. I just did a bit of searching myself on the matter and as far as I can see the UK's average IQ is only slightly lower than some parts of Europe, higher than others and also higher than the USA and Canada and Australia.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 12 2009, 12:17 AM) Although beastiality porn had been legal to posses in the UK I don't remember ever seeing it being sold anywhere except through mail order or online sources. And I have explored many a sex shop As for the act itself even when the death penalty was dropped (though it is very unlikely this would have been carried out any time in the last 60 years at the very least) in theory it is still punishable by life imprisonment though again it is very unlikely that you would actually go down for this long. Even after the current change in the porn laws. I even remember reading in Bizarre magazine a few years ago that someone arrested for beastiality is more likely to be sentenced to psychiatric help rather than a custodial sentence. Yeah it used to be the case you could own beastiality porn in the UK, but it was illegal to sell it here (Hence never finding it in sex shops.) It used to be the case if you brought it mail order it was shipped (normally) from Holland, and if it got picked up in the process would just be destoryed.I think they have changed the life term thing now. Its lowered.But your right, your more likely to be sent for Pysciatric help. But thats after they take your dogs away/put them down
QUOTE (odin26 @ Dec 12 2009, 01:41 AM) I think they have changed the life term thing now. Its lowered. Not sure if they have lowered it. I think it still stands as life imprisonment but they just won''t use prosecute to that full extent of the law. Am trying to find relevant information online but failing atmadditionalI stand corrected Odin. They lowered it from life imprisonment to max 2 years jail sentence in 2003 with the law coming into force in 2004 which I think makes the max sentence for possessing animal porn the same as that for doing it.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 12 2009, 01:17 AM) As for the lowest IQ thing I would be interested to know where you got that fact from. I just did a bit of searching myself on the matter and as far as I can see the UK's average IQ is only slightly lower than some parts of Europe, higher than others and also higher than the USA and Canada and Australia. I meant the government and working class lol.
QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:12 AM) I meant the government and working class lol. Oh no. The government are definitely clever. Hence all the little laws they keep introducing on the sly to gain that bit extra control over us. I think the real idiots are mostly to be found in the unemployed sector. Those who are happy to just pick up their dole money and do sod all else. I've met plenty of them and you always leave a conversation with them feeling like you've just died a little inside
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 12 2009, 01:19 AM) QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:12 AM) I meant the government and working class lol. Oh no. The government are definitely clever. Hence all the little laws they keep introducing on the sly to gain that bit extra control over us. I think the real idiots are mostly to be found in the unemployed sector. Those who are happy to just pick up their dole money and do sod all else. I've met plenty of them and you always leave a conversation with them feeling like you've just died a little inside The ones with Special brew cans at 10am in tracksuits
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:03 AM) QUOTE (odin26 @ Dec 12 2009, 01:41 AM) I think they have changed the life term thing now. Its lowered. Not sure if they have lowered it. I think it still stands as life imprisonment but they just won''t use prosecute to that full extent of the law. Am trying to find relevant information online but failing atm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoosexuality_...w#National_laws"Possession of pornography was criminalised in the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008. The law on pornography is broader than that of actual acts: it also covers oral sex; it applies to dead animals as well as living; images are illegal even if they are faked. Thus an image of a legal act may be illegal to possess. The first prosecutions for bestiality pornography occurred in 2009."Looking further into fakeness you can see it also covers what they name 'obscene anthropomorphic material'. Apparently, it's the mental health act that covers this.To be caught with the porn is not 'mental', you'll serve a minimum of one year, but a maximum of three if caught in possession. The RSPCA treats it as normal protocol to destroy the animal, not for the 'bestiality', but to prevent any 'deeper abuse' that is likely to be caused by the 'mentally disturbed person' taking advantage of the animals.So what they are saying is that if you're capable of handling furry or zoo porn, you're capable of being a psycho and even hurt them.It's not a mental offense, it is a criminal one. You're more likely to serve less by murdering somebody than by possessing bestiality porn or commiting the act of bestiality. And that is just psycho !I hate them!Goddamn socialist governments are trying to take over the EU now.Soon there'll be no hope other than to have a civil war.My god, this bloody world is psychotic - humanity is a parasite, I'm starting to feel it needs to be destroyed.The argument on furry inclusion was over the fakeness."For when does a dead/anthropomorphized/fake/alive animal cease to being an 'animal'? - It is bestiality, a crime against nature, and it is mentally disturbing and absolutely vile, criminal abuse - zoos continue on becoming serial killers or worse."So they have racists/sexualists in government now?Are they allowed to have such bad words in a goddamn formal legislation?This is totally weirdo sick.
QUOTE (odin26 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:23 AM) QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 12 2009, 01:19 AM) QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:12 AM) I meant the government and working class lol. Oh no. The government are definitely clever. Hence all the little laws they keep introducing on the sly to gain that bit extra control over us. I think the real idiots are mostly to be found in the unemployed sector. Those who are happy to just pick up their dole money and do sod all else. I've met plenty of them and you always leave a conversation with them feeling like you've just died a little inside The ones with Special brew cans at 10am in tracksuits Yup thems the ones
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:19 AM) QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:12 AM) I meant the government and working class lol. Oh no. The government are definitely clever. Hence all the little laws they keep introducing on the sly to gain that bit extra control over us. I think the real idiots are mostly to be found in the unemployed sector. Those who are happy to just pick up their dole money and do sod all else. I've met plenty of them and you always leave a conversation with them feeling like you've just died a little inside The majority of the UK is not employed lol.Despite the fact they are paying billions to the climate change summit as we speak, they are in a 'recession', and poor old Holland has to loan all their money to their expenses just so we keep 'European peace' with them - they aren't even apart of continental nor mainland Europe!I'd be getting into a hate speech if I don't stop, so I'd better go cool down .
Odin and DB: Yes the 10am bercanning tracksuits. Hate them, bastards! just wnat to run around with a shotgun ending their miserable usless existences... sorry, not usually quite so outspoken about it, quite emotionally raw tonight.TrueZoo:much of humanity has needed culling ro a long time now, God i could ramble and rumble on, for day's. but ;et me suffice to say that i'm with you on every point you made in your last post. it's good to know that my feelings are shared
QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:23 AM) QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:03 AM) QUOTE (odin26 @ Dec 12 2009, 01:41 AM) I think they have changed the life term thing now. Its lowered. Not sure if they have lowered it. I think it still stands as life imprisonment but they just won''t use prosecute to that full extent of the law. Am trying to find relevant information online but failing atm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoosexuality_...w#National_laws"Possession of pornography was criminalised in the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008. The law on pornography is broader than that of actual acts: it also covers oral sex; it applies to dead animals as well as living; images are illegal even if they are faked. Thus an image of a legal act may be illegal to possess. The first prosecutions for bestiality pornography occurred in 2009."Looking further into fakeness you can see it also covers what they name 'obscene anthropomorphic material'. Apparently, it's the mental health act that covers this.To be caught with the porn is not 'mental', you'll serve a minimum of one year, but a maximum of three if caught in possession. The RSPCA treats it as normal protocol to destroy the animal, not for the 'bestiality', but to prevent any 'deeper abuse' that is likely to be caused by the 'mentally disturbed person' taking advantage of the animals.So what they are saying is that if you're capable of handling furry or zoo porn, you're capable of being a psycho and even hurt them.It's not a mental offense, it is a criminal one. You're more likely to serve less by murdering somebody than by possessing bestiality porn or commiting the act of bestiality. And that is just psycho !I hate them!Goddamn socialist governments are trying to take over the EU now.Soon there'll be no hope other than to have a civil war.My god, this bloody world is psychotic - humanity is a parasite, I'm starting to feel it needs to be destroyed.The argument on furry inclusion was over the fakeness."For when does a dead/anthropomorphized/fake/alive animal cease to being an 'animal'? - It is bestiality, a crime against nature, and it is mentally disturbing and absolutely vile, criminal abuse - zoos continue on becoming serial killers or worse."So they have racists/sexualists in government now?Are they allowed to have such bad words in a goddamn formal legislation?This is totally weirdo sick. Well to quote the act in question itself"(d) a person performing an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive),and a reasonable person looking at the image would think that any such person or animal was real."So I think going by that last sentence we can exclude furry art becausea ) It clearly doesn't show a real animalb ) At least one of the participants in the picture must be human As for the jail times its actually 2 years as the 3 year jail term is only for cases concerning porn containing a) an act which threatens a person’s life, ( an act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person’s anus, breasts or genitals.Also the first prosecutions that have occurred so far have all involved other crimes and not just possession of animal porn. Though these cases do show that already the law is being used in a way in which it was not forst intended.
And thats why the UK really sucks.The law is ridiculos regarding this. It seriously makes me think about uping sticks and leaving entirely.And you know i agree about humanity Truezoo lol
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QUOTE (odin26 @ Dec 12 2009, 03:05 AM) And thats why the UK really sucks.The law is ridiculous regarding this. It seriously makes me think about upping sticks and leaving entirely. I keep getting more and more tempted to do that myself. Well I do currently live abroad but theres no way I would make Hungary my permanent home after I finsh college. Even though animal sex is legal here as far as I know
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:16 AM) QUOTE (odin26 @ Dec 12 2009, 03:05 AM) And thats why the UK really sucks.The law is ridiculous regarding this. It seriously makes me think about upping sticks and leaving entirely. I keep getting more and more tempted to do that myself. Well I do currently live abroad but theres no way I would make Hungary my permanent home after I finsh college. Even though animal sex is legal here as far as I know My main problem is i only speak english, and am terrible at learning new ones.
QUOTE (odin26 @ Dec 12 2009, 03:22 AM) QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:16 AM) QUOTE (odin26 @ Dec 12 2009, 03:05 AM) And thats why the UK really sucks.The law is ridiculous regarding this. It seriously makes me think about upping sticks and leaving entirely. I keep getting more and more tempted to do that myself. Well I do currently live abroad but theres no way I would make Hungary my permanent home after I finsh college. Even though animal sex is legal here as far as I know My main problem is i only speak english, and am terrible at learning new ones. Same here. Not speaking Hungarian is one of the several reasons I couldn't live here permanently.And I just generally suck at languages
Perhaps we should all band together and buy a uninhabited island
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 12 2009, 01:35 AM) QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:23 AM) QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:03 AM) QUOTE (odin26 @ Dec 12 2009, 01:41 AM) I think they have changed the life term thing now. Its lowered. Not sure if they have lowered it. I think it still stands as life imprisonment but they just won''t use prosecute to that full extent of the law. Am trying to find relevant information online but failing atm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoosexuality_...w#National_laws"Possession of pornography was criminalised in the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008. The law on pornography is broader than that of actual acts: it also covers oral sex; it applies to dead animals as well as living; images are illegal even if they are faked. Thus an image of a legal act may be illegal to possess. The first prosecutions for bestiality pornography occurred in 2009."Looking further into fakeness you can see it also covers what they name 'obscene anthropomorphic material'. Apparently, it's the mental health act that covers this.To be caught with the porn is not 'mental', you'll serve a minimum of one year, but a maximum of three if caught in possession. The RSPCA treats it as normal protocol to destroy the animal, not for the 'bestiality', but to prevent any 'deeper abuse' that is likely to be caused by the 'mentally disturbed person' taking advantage of the animals.So what they are saying is that if you're capable of handling furry or zoo porn, you're capable of being a psycho and even hurt them.It's not a mental offense, it is a criminal one. You're more likely to serve less by murdering somebody than by possessing bestiality porn or commiting the act of bestiality. And that is just psycho !I hate them!Goddamn socialist governments are trying to take over the EU now.Soon there'll be no hope other than to have a civil war.My god, this bloody world is psychotic - humanity is a parasite, I'm starting to feel it needs to be destroyed.The argument on furry inclusion was over the fakeness."For when does a dead/anthropomorphized/fake/alive animal cease to being an 'animal'? - It is bestiality, a crime against nature, and it is mentally disturbing and absolutely vile, criminal abuse - zoos continue on becoming serial killers or worse."So they have racists/sexualists in government now?Are they allowed to have such bad words in a goddamn formal legislation?This is totally weirdo sick. Well to quote the act in question itself"(d) a person performing an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive),and a reasonable person looking at the image would think that any such person or animal was real."So I think going by that last sentence we can exclude furry art becausea ) It clearly doesn't show a real animalb ) At least one of the participants in the picture must be human As for the jail times its actually 2 years as the 3 year jail term is only for cases concerning porn containing a) an act which threatens a person�s life, ( an act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person�s anus, breasts or genitals.Also the first prosecutions that have occurred so far have all involved other crimes and not just possession of animal porn. Though these cases do show that already the law is being used in a way in which it was not forst intended. Um, well the bill doesn't actually say that on the pornography, rather the sex.Read RV3 (c13)."(f) bestiality, the act of intercourse with an animal (whether dead or alive), including if or not""(i) it was faked to look obscene or extreme,""(ii) the picture or artwork depicts an amorphous or wild animal.""(iii) any reasonable person looking at the image would think that any such person or animal was real""Where (i) and (iii) the maximum sentence is three years."RV2 (c10) says in a single line..."(d) a person performing an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive), and a reasonable person looking at the image would think that any such person or animal was real."It's nothing to do with the animal, it's the obscenity.Though, on the other hand I do note it did not include (ii) in the last line - may be furries are a misdemeanour then?By the way 'furries' define 'amorphous' and 'wild' as 'feral'.So if the erotic art depicts an 'unintelligent animal or hybrid', then it's still 'extreme'?Because after all, it doesn't matter if its a real or not in fantasy, so we can tell the law was made over 'obscenity', and so with the original legislation'.They admit the bill covers..."grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character, pornographic material", they call it 'extreme pornography'.Though, RV3 has not past yet, so may be furries are in for some luck atm.On the mental side, however, I discovered that it says in 'Section 2 of the Mental Health Act 2007' mentions that if the person has any 'paraphilia listed under DSM III' it is an offense and requires immediate detention and psychoanalysis for the protection of the public and the person themselves. In the DSM III, the sexual attraction towards the properties of an animal is a fetish, hence including furries; to be aberrant you are 'insane'; since the attraction towards animal real or not is aberrant behaviour, you are likely to be rammed into a corner by authorities and forced to engage in mental health treatment and if you don't you'll be ostracized as everyone will know you look at furry toons, let's face it - animorphic animals having sex.Well, so it depends on the definition of 'animal' and 'reality'.Since it's classed on 'morality', I'd be extra careful, it seems furry websites are being taken offline in the UK for implying 'bestiality'.I bet this is their psychology...a) They hear about. They say it's so obscene, grotesque, argument blah de blah, we must ban it.c) It's classed as 'obscene', so therefore it is made illegal by morality.d) By morality, includes fantasy - a furry is an 'animal' anthropomorphized, not a 'human' animorphised by definition - hence by the word 'animal' it includes the hybrid between a human and a non-human; since in fantasy its up to the artist and voyeur whether the animal is consenting or not.Since we don't know, just be careful! Ok?!You know what'll happen to you socially if you don't, at least - it's people you should be more afraid of, not the law.Goddamn socialists and morality laws!Let's hope RV3 won't pass, at least!
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 12 2009, 02:16 AM) QUOTE (odin26 @ Dec 12 2009, 03:05 AM) And thats why the UK really sucks.The law is ridiculous regarding this. It seriously makes me think about upping sticks and leaving entirely. I keep getting more and more tempted to do that myself. Well I do currently live abroad but theres no way I would make Hungary my permanent home after I finsh college. Even though animal sex is legal here as far as I know Yeah, Hungarians aren't socialists, they are ex-soviets, conservatives to traditional zoo legality.
Thank's for all that truezoo, very rescourceful of you. Fingers crossed on not getting RV3 passed. :s
RV3...ggggrrrr...i aint hurting anyone or any animal, just coz they dont understand
QUOTE (mikkiwhite @ Dec 12 2009, 06:02 PM) RV3...ggggrrrr...i aint hurting anyone or any animal, just coz they dont understand I know, we should shoot them all .
QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 12 2009, 07:35 PM) QUOTE (mikkiwhite @ Dec 12 2009, 06:02 PM) RV3...ggggrrrr...i aint hurting anyone or any animal, just coz they dont understand I know, we should shoot them all . Lets form an orderly queue
Which one first ?
Me! I'm first!. it's my thread.
In the firing squad; not the firing line, I hope !
Now, now...violence isn't the solutio...Hell, who am I kiddin'?*Loads .357*Let's do this.
I remember Ian's old forum game.It was called Soviet Roulette, you'd shoot the person above you with the gun of your choice if you decide that they guessed the wrong number to what you were thinking Where's my M134 gatling gun!Well let's go gatle gun the zoo haters to pieces uhuhuhuhuh!I mean, metaphorically
QUOTE (energydog @ Sep 16 2009, 12:09 AM) I've never really flaunted my lifestyle anywhere where work mates can see or hear it. My line of work is too easily threatened by misconceptions about what I do. But I live fairly far from where I work so I usually and openly wear my zeta pendant for all to see. I even have a zeta sticker pasted to my mail box. Though I've yet to get any response to it. I like the idea of a zeta sticker on the mailbox. Where did you get it?In the summer I tie my mini horse and mini donkey in the front yard to graze. Both being males the sometimes show off. Always wish a girl would stop when driving by to ask.Warlock
QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 13 2009, 02:48 AM) I remember Ian's old forum game.It was called Soviet Roulette, you'd shoot the person above you with the gun of your choice if you decide that they guessed the wrong number to what you were thinking Where's my M134 gatling gun!Well let's go gatle gun the zoo haters to pieces uhuhuhuhuh!I mean, metaphorically Metaphorically speaking, I just set up Claymore antipersonnel mines all around the anti-zoo army.
Oohh come on jeepdog, the anti zoo army is far too widespread and mobile set up claymores round alll of them.and are we just going anti-zoo's here? I was sort of inclining towards any portion of humanity that isn't at least attemptimg some sort of spirirtual awareness and/or open mindedness. I mean let's face it theres waaaay too many of us as it is.
QUOTE (d0ggieD0er @ Dec 13 2009, 01:00 PM) Oohh come on jeepdog, the anti zoo army is far too widespread and mobile set up claymores round alll of them.and are we just going anti-zoo's here? I was sort of inclining towards any portion of humanity that isn't at least attemptimg some sort of spirirtual awareness and/or open mindedness. I mean let's face it theres waaaay too many of us as it is. We need metaphorical claymores around us. That'll show them others if they try and get involved
QUOTE (d0ggieD0er @ Dec 13 2009, 12:00 PM) Oohh come on jeepdog, the anti zoo army is far too widespread and mobile set up claymores round alll of them.and are we just going anti-zoo's here? I was sort of inclining towards any portion of humanity that isn't at least attemptimg some sort of spirirtual awareness and/or open mindedness. I mean let's face it theres waaaay too many of us as it is. A swinephile developed swine flu !
I've noticed a few of you reffering to Zeta pendants. What is this Zeta pendant? I'm now rather interested in finding one for myself.
QUOTE (chooser @ Dec 14 2009, 11:34 PM) I've noticed a few of you reffering to Zeta pendants. What is this Zeta pendant? I'm now rather interested in finding one for myself. If you find one let us know where. There used to be a company that did them but they don't anymore. I would love to get one given the chance
The zeta symbol was actually originally a sign for furries to show they were zoo when they went to conventions...Well, it so appears the banning has lead to less demand and no more company...I'm sure the odd person will still sell them, though.
QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 15 2009, 12:35 AM) The zeta symbol was actually originally a sign for furries to show they were zoo when they went to conventions...Well, it so appears the banning has lead to less demand and no more company... Really? I always thought it had been in use longer than that. Though haven't ever really known for definite. And is it banned. Thats pretty random. I'm sure I read something a few weeks ago where someone said you could still get them at alot of furry cons. Zetacreations used to sell pins. If i'd realised they were going to stop selling them I would have got one back then.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 14 2009, 09:52 PM) QUOTE (d0ggieD0er @ Dec 13 2009, 01:00 PM) Oohh come on jeepdog, the anti zoo army is far too widespread and mobile set up claymores round alll of them.and are we just going anti-zoo's here? I was sort of inclining towards any portion of humanity that isn't at least attemptimg some sort of spirirtual awareness and/or open mindedness. I mean let's face it theres waaaay too many of us as it is. We need metaphorical claymores around us. That'll show them others if they try and get involved That's what I had in mind...dirtbiker nailed it.As for the rest of them, if they dare to attack just because I used up all my Claymores...Steel Rain FTW!!!
Like superhero comics say...[B]KA-BOOM![B]
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 15 2009, 12:36 AM) QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 15 2009, 12:35 AM) The zeta symbol was actually originally a sign for furries to show they were zoo when they went to conventions...Well, it so appears the banning has lead to less demand and no more company... Really? I always thought it had been in use longer than that. Though haven't ever really known for definite. And is it banned. Thats pretty random. I'm sure I read something a few weeks ago where someone said you could still get them at alot of furry cons. Zetacreations used to sell pins. If i'd realised they were going to stop selling them I would have got one back then. So does any one have a picture of the symbol then?
ThisThe image does work if you click on it btw.
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Here is a pic of the pin that zetacreations used to make, sorry its just a tad fuzzy.
QUOTE (Dogbert @ Dec 16 2009, 04:31 AM) Here is a pic of the pin that zetacreations used to make, sorry its just a tad fuzzy. Google Image Search sucks !
QUOTE (Dogbert @ Dec 15 2009, 10:31 PM) Here is a pic of the pin that zetacreations used to make, sorry its just a tad fuzzy. Yeah, that's what I tried to order a couple of years ago...I missed out, they had stopped making them.Or actually, what I wanted was the pendant. I couldn't find a zeta symbol anywhere and I was hesitant to have one custom-made (jewelers use Google searches too, right?), so I settled for a paw print necklace instead (mine is a different color, but the same size and style):
QUOTE (Skyrune @ Dec 16 2009, 09:16 PM) Or actually, what I wanted was the pendant. I couldn't find a zeta symbol anywhere and I was hesitant to have one custom-made (jewelers use Google searches too, right?), I am very close to inquiring about getting a pendant custom made at a jewellers. Cost dependant I probably will when I have a bit of extra cash to play with and after i've got a few other things I want.
QUOTE (Dogbert @ Dec 15 2009, 09:31 PM) Here is a pic of the pin that zetacreations used to make, sorry its just a tad fuzzy. I would love to have a pendant like that!!!Wish we could still find them
*blushes* I just found one on eBay USA .
QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 17 2009, 01:52 AM) *blushes* I just found one on eBay USA . If your not buying post the link here and I probably will I check Ebay for them pretty regularly usually but I only ever find uppercase zeta symbols.
It's just finished .
QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 17 2009, 02:50 AM) It's just finished . Ain't that typical......
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QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 16 2009, 06:50 PM) It's just finished . What was your search on ebay? Zeta symbols??Now we are all gonna be looking
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QUOTE (arasl @ Dec 17 2009, 04:19 AM) QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 16 2009, 06:50 PM) It's just finished . What was your search on ebay? Zeta symbols??Now we are all gonna be looking I've tried that so many times and I only ever find upper case zeta symbols or combinations of multiple upper case Greek letters. I usually look about once a week and try several different search tags and look for items anywhere in the world.
No, 'zeta pin' .The pin part will help .Optionally you can try 'ring' but I don't think they're sold anymore.Plenty of zeta symbols at the anthrocon, though, apparently...
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Ah. I'm more after a decent pendant than a pin.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 16 2009, 08:26 PM)QUOTE (arasl @ Dec 17 2009, 04:19 AM) QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 16 2009, 06:50 PM) It's just finished . What was your search on ebay? Zeta symbols??Now we are all gonna be looking I've tried that so many times and I only ever find upper case zeta symbols or combinations of multiple upper case Greek letters. I usually look about once a week and try several different search tags and look for items anywhere in the world.Me too, I haven't checked ebay yet , but I find several sites that offer greek letters for college houses, but not the symbols I'm about ready to check out the "custom" engraving. Although what I have seen there is basic fonts, not greek symbols.And I just want a pendant that I can wear under my shirt for the most part. Not a pin.
I know but if that's all there is...I'd like one, too.
With all the people on this site, I would think some one works with metals or designs jewelry. I tried carving the symbol onto a stone but I don't have the correct tools. Didn't work
QUOTE (arasl @ Dec 16 2009, 09:19 PM) QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 16 2009, 06:50 PM) It's just finished . What was your search on ebay? Zeta symbols??Now we are all gonna be looking As the others have said, just type in exactly what you're looking for...want a pendant with the zeta symbol? Do a Search for "zeta pendant." I specifically wanted the paw print one, so my search was "paw print necklace".Ah, what was shopping like before we had eBay?
QUOTE (Skyrune @ Dec 17 2009, 10:38 PM) Ah, what was shopping like before we had eBay? I can't remember.I grew up with the internet, and prior to that, only my parents needed bother with the shopping . (I'm 21). Prior to eBay I used... Reality By the way, Wikipedia is destroying the terminology of zoophilia.They have crammed the Zoosexuality article into the Zoophilia one, only focusing on the sexual side of things; and no longer mention the sign of zoophilia on the Zeta page.
if you put "paw print" in on ebay you come up with all sorts of wonderful stuff
QUOTE (arasl @ Dec 17 2009, 04:56 AM) With all the people on this site, I would think some one works with metals or designs jewelry. I tried carving the symbol onto a stone but I don't have the correct tools. Didn't work I'm hoping someone will catch on to the demand and make some pendants.I actually have a design for one that could be used as a badge or a pendant (clever back) but I have zero chance of accomplishing the production of said item.
Not saying much, but I've found one in a local custom jewelers.
QUOTE (mikkiwhite @ Dec 18 2009, 09:17 AM) if you put "paw print" in on ebay you come up with all sorts of wonderful stuff *nods*Paw prints are a very safe bet. Lots of people use them, most of whom are just animal lovers (though not animal lovers). The Humane Society uses a paw print logo, and even some athletic teams (Clemson Tigers, anyone?) use it.A zeta symbol might get someone to ask you about it, though. Especially if - like me - you're too old to claim it's your fraternity mark, lol.
QUOTE (Skyrune @ Dec 18 2009, 10:52 PM) Especially if - like me - you're too old to claim it's your fraternity mark, lol. From what i've noticed the frat symbols all seem to go for the upper case Zeta symbol. Loads of Upper case Zeta's available. But thats just a normal Z.
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 18 2009, 05:05 PM) QUOTE (Skyrune @ Dec 18 2009, 10:52 PM) Especially if - like me - you're too old to claim it's your fraternity mark, lol. From what i've noticed the frat symbols all seem to go for the upper case Zeta symbol. Loads of Upper case Zeta's available. But thats just a normal Z. That's what I have seen also DB, and the only ones I have found are always combined with 2 other letters.
Z isn't actually uppercase for the zeta symbol, it simply is just the classical version, whereas the one we like is the ancient version .Hint: Some furry conventions have these, after one has been on, there may be some ebay after-sale available.
I did actually, and said out front that I like animals, sexually. The person said, that she didn't know what to think, but that in general she's open-minded about things. She wanted time to sort it out though. Gonna see her next week again and then I'll see what she thinks. But, just by telling her I already felt lighter, so I'm not caring much if she judges me because of it.
QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 19 2009, 01:23 AM) Z isn't actually uppercase for the zeta symbol, it simply is just the classical version, whereas the one we like is the ancient version . The greek alphabet has upper and lower case forms of the letters within it and these forms are used depending on what the circumstances are.Bloody hell thats another attachment where the thumbnail has denied me royally
QUOTE (dirtbiker2000 @ Dec 19 2009, 01:47 AM) QUOTE (truezoo47 @ Dec 19 2009, 01:23 AM) Z isn't actually uppercase for the zeta symbol, it simply is just the classical version, whereas the one we like is the ancient version . The greek alphabet has upper and lower case forms of the letters within it and these forms are used depending on what the circumstances are.Bloody hell thats another attachment where the thumbnail has denied me royally Not the ancient one Greek was hard enough to study, don't question meh on it.
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I guess I would consider myself somewhat rebellious.I do kiss my dog in public. If you look up the tattoo thread you will see pictures of my 2 tattoos one is a paw print the other is an anthro wolf girl. I usually tell people that seeit that it is a picture of my dog. I tend to hint at my interests allot, one place I worked at most people knew about my interests. I've also had room mates that have known.None of these people have shared my interests.
QUOTE (wolf190 @ Dec 23 2009, 05:37 AM) I guess I would consider myself somewhat rebellious.I do kiss my dog in public. If you look up the tattoo thread you will see pictures of my 2 tattoos one is a paw print the other is an anthro wolf girl. I usually tell people that seeit that it is a picture of my dog. I tend to hint at my interests allot, one place I worked at most people knew about my interests. I've also had room mates that have known.None of these people have shared my interests. I'm curious. did you find it difficult to live wih people who didn't share your intrest, or inhbiting?
QUOTE I'm curious. did you find it difficult to live wih people who didn't share your intrest, or inhbiting? It was not difficult at all, perhaps I have just gotten lucky in having open minded friends! The situation there was, I was living in a basement apartment with a friend and his girlfriend, both knew about my lifestyle but neither was interested in it.The landlord knew also, she was an older woman who lived in the upstairs house.Its not something that got allot of discussion but everyone there knew. I have never really been inhibited in my actions even around people that did not know. I always kiss cuddle and hug my dog no matter where I am or who I am with.Anything more then that would be done in private much the same as regular people would do with there girlfriends or boyfriends.
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QUOTE (wolf190 @ Dec 22 2009, 11:48 PM)I always kiss cuddle and hug my dog no matter where I am or who I am with.I don't have a sexual relationship with my dog, and I still kiss, cuddle and hug her in public. I never really thought that showing that kind of affection for her would lead people to think anything taboo. Now you have me wondering what people think, not that I care, I'm not about to change, just wondering, if you see someone being affectionate to their pet, do you immediatly think sexual? or do you just see someone showing compassion and love.
QUOTE (arasl @ Dec 24 2009, 06:01 AM) QUOTE (wolf190 @ Dec 22 2009, 11:48 PM)I always kiss cuddle and hug my dog no matter where I am or who I am with.I don't have a sexual relationship with my dog, and I still kiss, cuddle and hug her in public. I never really thought that showing that kind of affection for her would lead people to think anything taboo. Now you have me wondering what people think, not that I care, I'm not about to change, just wondering, if you see someone being affectionate to their pet, do you immediatly think sexual? or do you just see someone showing compassion and love. With me, I don't know how people couldn't know I was zoo. I gave my partner a great deal of affection, more so than the average person would have. No body new that I was zoo, but they did know I had a special relationship with him.
I dont think I have ever suspected anyone of sharing my interests because they kissed or cuddled there pet. My kisses though usually involve my tongue as well as my dogs.I forgot to mention earlier that all 3 of my desktop monitors are furry, and my laptop too. I also have a naked anthro wolf girl on my phone background. and anthro prints hanging on my walls. I also have my place decorated with several hundred plush dogs.And I dont so much now but I used to wear 2 chain choke collars, one around my neck, without the safety lock most punk kids put on them and a small one on my wrist.
QUOTE (KillerZ @ Dec 19 2009, 12:32 AM) I did actually, and said out front that I like animals, sexually. The person said, that she didn't know what to think, but that in general she's open-minded about things. She wanted time to sort it out though. Gonna see her next week again and then I'll see what she thinks. But, just by telling her I already felt lighter, so I'm not caring much if she judges me because of it. By the way the one I told this was psychologist. I told her mainly to find out what is the medical viewpoint on this matter. The answer was "there is nothing wrong with it, if you don't hurt anyone." So yeah, Zoophilia isn't seen as a mental illness anymore.
QUOTE (KillerZ @ Dec 28 2009, 06:11 PM) QUOTE (KillerZ @ Dec 19 2009, 12:32 AM) I did actually, and said out front that I like animals, sexually. The person said, that she didn't know what to think, but that in general she's open-minded about things. She wanted time to sort it out though. Gonna see her next week again and then I'll see what she thinks. But, just by telling her I already felt lighter, so I'm not caring much if she judges me because of it. By the way the one I told this was psychologist. I told her mainly to find out what is the medical viewpoint on this matter. The answer was "there is nothing wrong with it, if you don't hurt anyone." So yeah, Zoophilia isn't seen as a mental illness anymore. My family primarly consisits of psychologists. In my experience, they will not judge, but will develop attitudes about such things if you are not careful. Part of their training consists of abnormal psycholoy, wich unfortunatle is the group that we fit into within the psychlogists world.
I stay quiet, though I have some zoo material visible in the notes folder of my 'Pod.
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