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So I have been working on this for a while and I hope its understandable even though its kinda long I would appreciate if you would take the time to read and maybe leave with a better understanding I have been here since o6, since the first time I discovered this side of my sexuality. I have recently become active in this forum sharing my personal experiences and advice with those who need help and I must say I wonder why I wasn’t as involved then when I first came here. Maybe I was shy or just didn’t know what questions to ask as I didn’t know much about the subject. I always thought bestiality and zoophilia were the same thing but it isn't. I have realized that the beastforum community is two communities, with one common purpose, to be with an animal. Though I have seen these communities clash on certain topics, because we don’t truly understand each other or the differences, we have to remember that we are there for each other, to guide each other through the confusion that we sometimes find ourselves in. Just because the beasties just have sex with their animals, and some zoos who have relationships with there pets don’t out of respect for their lover at times, doesn’t mean we have to attact each other because of how we differ, to me sex isn't everything and when a zoo loves their pet it doesn’t have to involve sex and when a beastie has sex with thier dog doesn’t mean they have to see them as a spouse or partner as long as the pet is loved and cared for. I'm sure some beasties don’t use their pets as sex toys, they do love their animals, the just don’t have that deep relationships that us zoos have that portray their pets as their partners or spouses. I hope i'm making sense as I stand for both sides of the community. I started out as a beastie and got my dog and over time being single, I found myself more attracted to my dog then I was to men. And here is where I also learned about zoophilia and furthered on my research and learning about my sexual life, because I had realized that my dog was more than just a pet to me, he was my partner. This site shouldn’t be taken for granted, I wish those member who are just here to leach off movies and pics from those who work hard and were kind enough to put them up, were more active and got involved to get a better understanding of who we are, what we do, and why we do it. I pity those who make accounts just to get in here and bash us an put us down for what we do. Instead of coming on here to do such things, they also have a chance to read and open themselves up to it, get a better understanding of us, but we are just not given that chance. Someone said on here, “people hate what they cant understand”, And its true. And as big as our combined communities are, we are never going to get the respect we deserve as much as we try to convince them that we are normal people just like everyone else. I was VERY fooled the other day when an incident happened on the forum, the topic was removed for those who go looking for it. Who I believed was an active member, made a second account and said some horrible things about what we are and what he thinks should happen to us, though I didn’t know it was him, it wasn’t till one of the mods exposed him and I was just speechless. I don’t think I would ever understand why he did that and it really was a huge disappointment. But through that I realized that the people we often see online, we do build strong relationships with each other both the beasties and zoos. And we look to each other. I think its Deerhunters Signature who says “Together we stand divided we fall” And it is true. This site is the most amazing thing ever created and it brought the world closer made it alot smaller than what it seems. I see so many new people who post saying “thanks so much” or “I'm so relieved that I am not alone” There are lots of us out there, some lost and confused about who they are and why they think this way that haven't found their way here. But once they do I'm sure they would feel a big weight come off of their shoulders and say THANK GOD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE!!! And take a big sigh of relief, I know I did when I joined To end this note I want to thank those who's information has helped me through my struggle of finding out who I am and I hope that I can give as much to other people. As others have given to me. Thank you Beastforum.kodasgirl
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who was he?or i mean the guy who had 2 accounts
Very well put. I am simply speechless. You are a very good member, which is why I am giving you a ten.
"I pity those who make accounts just to get in here and bash us an put us down for what we do. Instead of coming on here to do such"Seriously, could you even be bothered doing this? How bored must you be to take the time to invent an account just to bash folk that you dont even know or remotely understand??!!“I'm so relieved that I am not alone”god I second that!!!...Ten out of Ten Edit....what the hell is going on with my Bold fonts?!!!!!!
thanks to those who took the time to read my post FDL2 I got a suspicion here i think i have an idea what FDL stands for thats all im saying...Anyways thanks guys
Well done, Horndawgs. I can say with certainty that I could echo the same feelings you describe, as so could many other members here. This truly is a great place to be, even if we do tend to become tangled in the finer details that needlessly divide us.QUOTE (TheDoucheBag @ Jun 15 2009, 09:51 PM) Seriously, could you even be bothered doing this? How bored must you be to take the time to invent an account just to bash folk that you dont even know or remotely understand??!! Conflicts of ethical and moral substance are the unfortunate side effects of mental variance. So long as people are different on a personal level, some will undoubtedly see others as being beneath them when disagreements surface, especially those regarding how we live and act. Learning that another person's or group's beliefs are at odds with the mechanics we operate through on a daily basis sheds a very doubtful light that makes many people uncomfortable. To compensate for these insecurities, we justify our ways and condemn the differences, which obviously isn't limited to internal reactions. By claiming - more often that not, convinced - to be in a higher moral stance, the offended gain an illusion of authority which is used to lash out at those they feel threatened by. Through their own eyes this is a fully justified reaction, and can even be seen as a service unto their audience.Whether or not such a thing is done out of a lack of understanding or experience doesn't matter, and isn't even the cause most of the time. The only factors that have any impact are how deeply the concept in question reaches into a person's inner workings and how radically it challenges certain views.
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Horndawgs I think you thought this out very well..And said it even better...THANK YOU!..............mark
QUOTE (secret_admirer @ Jun 16 2009, 03:20 AM) Well done, Horndawgs. I can say with certainty that I could echo the same feelings you describe, as so could many other members here. This truly is a great place to be, even if we do tend to become tangled in the finer details that needlessly divide us.QUOTE (TheDoucheBag @ Jun 15 2009, 09:51 PM) Seriously, could you even be bothered doing this? How bored must you be to take the time to invent an account just to bash folk that you dont even know or remotely understand??!! Conflicts of ethical and moral substance are the unfortunate side effects of mental variance. So long as people are different on a personal level, some will undoubtedly see others as being beneath them when disagreements surface, especially those regarding how we live and act. Learning that another person's or group's beliefs are at odds with the mechanics we operate through on a daily basis sheds a very doubtful light that makes many people uncomfortable. To compensate for these insecurities, we justify our ways and condemn the differences, which obviously isn't limited to internal reactions. By claiming - more often that not, convinced - to be in a higher moral stance, the offended gain an illusion of authority which is used to lash out at those they feel threatened by. Through their own eyes this is a fully justified reaction, and can even be seen as a service unto their audience.Whether or not such a thing is done out of a lack of understanding or experience doesn't matter, and isn't even the cause most of the time. The only factors that have any impact are how deeply the concept in question reaches into a person's inner workings and how radically it challenges certain views. very very well sad Secret I wish i can write as good as you you very, i think it is, articulate with your words
Here here! Great job!
I absolutely totally agree. 10 for you horndawgs. And anyone who has multiple accounts should be banned, especially scum like that guy. 2 faced douche bag (no offence TheDoucheBag).
HAHA dogma you funny bunny lol yeah i know you were there too lol
QUOTE (secret_admirer @ Jun 16 2009, 03:20 AM) So long as people are different on a personal level, some will undoubtedly see others as being beneath them when disagreements surface Great post. I wish more people thought like you and I agree with you almost all the way....however, for me people who make up accounts for the one and only purpose of coming on a forum and slagging people off haven't become involved in a disagreement thats surfaced, they've gone looking for a disagreement in the first place.Im not sure I understand the reasoning of a person that would intensionally go look for a disagreement with a person or community just because they live there lives differently.I understand if they get into an arguement on a forum that they are already registered on but not to go as far as create an account just in order to give someone shit!
QUOTE (dogma69 @ Jun 16 2009, 04:41 AM) I absolutely totally agree. 10 for you horndawgs. And anyone who has multiple accounts should be banned, especially scum like that guy. 2 faced douche bag (no offence TheDoucheBag). God damn it, offence taken
People are bored thats all, this is how stupid people can be... maybe not on the subject of beast, but still they are picking on people...I was looking online for a dog and i went to site and i called a lady whos malamute pups i was interested in. And she would tell me how people who had AKC titled dogs would bash them just because there dogs werent purebred that they needed to be drowned and stuff. How bored or strange can a person be want to get into someone elses life and or business and put in their opinion.Its like secret said "So long as people are different on a personal level, some will undoubtedly see others as being beneath them when disagreements surfaces"
QUOTE (TheDoucheBag @ Jun 15 2009, 11:50 PM) Im not sure I understand the reasoning of a person that would intensionally go look for a disagreement with a person or community just because they live there lives differently.I understand if they get into an arguement on a forum that they are already registered on but not to go as far as create an account just in order to give someone shit! Who knows - some people just thrive on conflict and like to pick fights only to hear themselves talk. I've known more than I'd care for personally, but that's how life goes. Take the good with the bad and keep on walking.Not to justify what happened (seeing as I wasn't present for the thread, among other things,) but we're not exactly the most socially accepted group around, and that makes us an easy target for when someone's feeling a little morally stunted. It's analogous to someone picking on a first grader: easy to do and little to no retaliation can be expected... Feeling enabled to belt out the same tired elitist lecture to a group that can do little more than sit and take it apparently more than makes up for the fact that it makes him/her a giant assbag.
QUOTE God damn it, offence taken Haha, so be it then. QUOTE I was looking online for a dog and i went to site and i called a lady whos malamute pups i was interested in. And she would tell me how people who had AKC titled dogs would bash them just because there dogs werent purebred that they needed to be drowned and stuff. That is fucking sad. Most of the time i hear that mutts are the better dog anyway. Even if they are just unpapered purebreds, why does it matter. Every dog needs love, regardless of the breed or disposition. Its just sad when i hear shit like that. Well they can take their AKC papers and stuff em right up their asses, they aint winning sales by being pricks.QUOTE Not to justify what happened (seeing as I wasn't present for the thread, among other things,) but we're not exactly the most socially accepted group around, and that makes us an easy target for when someone's feeling a little morally stunted.That does NOT make it ok for ONE OF US to go around being a 2 faced dickhead.
QUOTE (dogma69 @ Jun 16 2009, 05:05 AM) QUOTE Not to justify what happened (seeing as I wasn't present for the thread, among other things,) but we're not exactly the most socially accepted group around, and that makes us an easy target for when someone's feeling a little morally stunted.That does NOT make it ok for ONE OF US to go around being a 2 faced dickhead. No it doesn't at all. but what an even bigger idiot going between screen names acting like hes on our side then going back to the other. Like i said i would never understand what the point for that was...
QUOTE (Horndawgs110503 @ Jun 16 2009, 05:10 AM) QUOTE (dogma69 @ Jun 16 2009, 05:05 AM) QUOTE Not to justify what happened (seeing as I wasn't present for the thread, among other things,) but we're not exactly the most socially accepted group around, and that makes us an easy target for when someone's feeling a little morally stunted.That does NOT make it ok for ONE OF US to go around being a 2 faced dickhead. No it doesn't at all. but what an even bigger idiot going between screen names acting like hes on our side then going back to the other. Like i said i would never understand what the point for that was... What did this dude say that pissed you off so bad? Did he just come on slagging you all off of something? What was his screen name, can I search his old posts?
nah the thread was deleted by southy. he was just calling us scum of the world how we all should just have our throats slit and how can we wake up in the morning knowing that we rape our animals and blah blah blah. good thing I had reported it to southy the thread was getting way out of hand.
QUOTE (Horndawgs110503 @ Jun 16 2009, 05:10 AM)QUOTE (dogma69 @ Jun 16 2009, 05:05 AM) QUOTE Not to justify what happened (seeing as I wasn't present for the thread, among other things,) but we're not exactly the most socially accepted group around, and that makes us an easy target for when someone's feeling a little morally stunted.That does NOT make it ok for ONE OF US to go around being a 2 faced dickhead. No it doesn't at all. but what an even bigger idiot going between screen names acting like hes on our side then going back to the other. Like i said i would never understand what the point for that was...Sounds like too much effort and time wasted. Think about all the great things they could accomplish in the same time; find the cure for cancer, discover an alternative fuel that doesn't kill the environment, find the answer to life. Ok, maybe that is too much credit, but still, what a waist of precious brain power. They need a constructive outlet.
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I'd have though that would be common on here. Like secret admirer said the subject of the website isn't exactly the norm! Thought trolls and arse holes would be a daily thing!
QUOTE (rasply @ Jun 16 2009, 05:19 AM) QUOTE (Horndawgs110503 @ Jun 16 2009, 05:10 AM)QUOTE (dogma69 @ Jun 16 2009, 05:05 AM) QUOTE Not to justify what happened (seeing as I wasn't present for the thread, among other things,) but we're not exactly the most socially accepted group around, and that makes us an easy target for when someone's feeling a little morally stunted.That does NOT make it ok for ONE OF US to go around being a 2 faced dickhead. No it doesn't at all. but what an even bigger idiot going between screen names acting like hes on our side then going back to the other. Like i said i would never understand what the point for that was...Sounds like too much effort and time wasted. Think about all the great things they could accomplish in the same time; find the cure for cancer, discover an alternative fuel that doesn't kill the environment, find the answer to life. Ok, maybe that is too much credit, but still, what a waist of precious brain power. They need a constructive outlet. dont forget world hunger...point is though that we trust these members we talk to them and make them our friends and for one to just do that doesnt make since at all unlees he was just fooling the whole time and just decided one day thats it
QUOTE (dogma69 @ Jun 16 2009, 12:05 AM) QUOTE Not to justify what happened (seeing as I wasn't present for the thread, among other things,) but we're not exactly the most socially accepted group around, and that makes us an easy target for when someone's feeling a little morally stunted.That does NOT make it ok for ONE OF US to go around being a 2 faced dickhead. No, it doesn't - which was why I prefaced the statement with "not to justify what happened." Although, personally, I'm not sure how much I'd consider this person to be, or have been, one of "us" if he were so quick to turn his back.
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thanks shotine
QUOTE (secret_admirer @ Jun 16 2009, 05:22 AM) [QUOTE=dogma69,Jun 16 2009, 12:05 AM] [QUOTE][QUOTE]Not to justify what happened (seeing as I wasn't present for the thread, among other things,) but we're not exactly the most socially accepted group around, and that makes us an easy target for when someone's feeling a little morally stunted.[/QUOTE]That does NOT make it ok for ONE OF US to go around being a 2 faced dickhead. [/QUOTE] No, it doesn't - which was why I prefaced the statement with "not to justify what happened." Although, personally, I'm not sure how much I'd consider this person to be, or have been, one of "us" if he were so quick to turn his back. well he did contribute storys and such, id say the name but wouldnt want to be in any trouble with the mods, but he was fairly new maybe here for about 2-3 months
QUOTE (secret_admirer @ Jun 16 2009, 05:22 AM) [QUOTE=dogma69,Jun 16 2009, 12:05 AM] [QUOTE][QUOTE]Not to justify what happened (seeing as I wasn't present for the thread, among other things,) but we're not exactly the most socially accepted group around, and that makes us an easy target for when someone's feeling a little morally stunted.[/QUOTE]That does NOT make it ok for ONE OF US to go around being a 2 faced dickhead. [/QUOTE] No, it doesn't - which was why I prefaced the statement with "not to justify what happened." Although, personally, I'm not sure how much I'd consider this person to be, or have been, one of "us" if he were so quick to turn his back. Maybe he was or is still one of you but something happened in his life (maybe been found out when it was a secret) and he turned on the whole idea of zoophilia if that makes sense
well according to one of his storys he was active with his female dog but then again it all couldve been fake
QUOTE No, it doesn't - which was why I prefaced the statement with "not to justify what happened." Although, personally, I'm not sure how much I'd consider this person to be, or have been, one of "us" if he were so quick to turn his back. True, didnt mean to jump the gun. And i say "one of us" as in, an account holder, nothing more.
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(Sorry for the borked quote tags on my last post.)QUOTE (TheDoucheBag @ Jun 16 2009, 12:25 AM) Maybe he was or is still one of you but something happened in his life (maybe been found out when it was a secret) and he turned on the whole idea of zoophilia if that makes sense If this were so, it only serves to underline how immature this person is in dealing with personal issues.
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oh well. thing is were always going to get ppl like that. it was just more surpriseg to me because i actually spoke with the guy before he pulled all this. Its just not expected of our members. I mean if i decided that all of a sudden i wanted to create an account and put everyone here down i really wouldnt have a justifiable reason in doing so but just to be plain mean.
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What a great post.I can echo alot of the same, I started my zoo lifestyle many many years ago, growing up and living for a very long time in an area where the internet just wasn't available, in the middle of a national forest, for many years i thought i was the only one who was like this, and felt incredibly alone. I often questioned it and wondered why and questioned myself for a long time, it wasn't until i joined the navy and found the internet and started reading about others that felt the same way as i do that i truely started to feel so "not alone".When i started you probably would have put me in the "beast" column, and i have to admit for a while it was more about the sex than the love, i had my growing and learning phase, and fora good while i had problems accepting myself for "who" i was. Then i met a very wonderful girl, her name was Tundra, I rescued her from teh side of the road, i have her story posted in the stories section, (fair warning it is a sad read, but worth it) I never had sex with her due to her saying no she wasn't into it, and i respected that, but what she did do for me was she taught me a lot about true love, she helped show me that to love don't mean you have to have sex, that there is love with out sex, and it can be jsut as deep if not deeper. I owe her alot, alot of who i am today is a result of knowing and loving her, Tundra my girl will always be missed forever. She also helped me accept who i am, and today i am fully accepting of it, and happy. Now i am 100% zoophile, i believe strongly in love before sex, and that you don't have to have sex to love a girl, or anyone. My girl i have now, my German Shepherd girl is quite litterly my lover, my mate and my other half, with out a doubt my soul mate, she is a wonderful girl, and i truely love her, not for the sex but for who she is. I'd love her the same with or with out sex.Sorry about the length, guess i got a little carried away hehe. Tundra
Thanks Tundra and i have read your story and yes it did bring a tear to my eye. Like you as i mentioned i started out as a beastie. But over time grew close to my boy even though hes lazy and makes me do all the work i love him regardless lol Glas you can relate to my post
Well Horndawg, this was a very well put together thread, it has gained quite a turn out for 1 day old, and me thinks it will be something that should be kept going, just to let others know that we are normal, and there are more of us out there, you aren't necessarily alone because of the taboo nature. And seeing southy inspecting this thread makes me think that even more, yeah i see you southy.
QUOTE (fdL2 @ Jun 16 2009, 12:33 AM) who was he?or i mean the guy who had 2 accounts dont play dumb you know it was you bye funnydoggylover (fdL)! As I had mention, well I dont think I did, This site is very important to me. It is my home where im free to be me. I may not be a mod or anything of the sort. Though I am just a member, I will still enforce the rules of this site and that means help taking out the garbage.
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Again thanks to those who took the time to read and reply and thank you for your votes. i hope that my little passage was in anyway inspirational to and and will help you understand our community
OMG!! it was Funnydoggylover?!! He seemed so nice. Wow, I guess you really can never truly tell who a person is, especially on the web. That is pretty sad.
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yeah the first comment on my post fdL2 was him and i reported him to the mods, it was sooo obvious im not dense you know
He said something against Zoos? I just don't understand. What happened?
well thats just it i dont understand either, we were discussing it here just go back and read over and i explained what he was saying.
Well said Horndawgs. I have been in many zoo communities and this is the best by far. A 10 for you.LTD
I knew what he said, but I didn't realize it was him. I don't even want to believe it. Oh well.
Yeah I felt weird the rest of the night and was just speechless. but yeah... Its a shame and thanks LTD
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Wow,I wish I could think of such great complaments and things to say like Secret_Admirer or Tundra can. (Sorry if I didn't get the name quite right, I can't find it below.) I do want to thank you Horndawgs110503 for starting this thread. I agree, but all I can think of to say is...10!Sticky!I'm going to show this to South Florida.
why thank you but i dont think its that deseving for a sticky
I want to make a few observations - they wont be earth shattering - and they wont answer any unsettling questions - but just add a few more pieces to the puzzle...I think a lot of members forget that we mods were members first - and that we are here for the same reasons as you all - I cant stress that enough - we are here to learn and grow just as you are - we are here because we have the same exact interest as you all - we put our pants on one leg at a time just like you all - we have been entrusted to serve the community - we do the best of our ability to be objective and fair - and I honestly think we do a pretty good job at that - in no way are we perfect - in many cases its actually quite an awkward position - for it seems as so many feel like there is a difference between us - like somehow we are not on the same side of the fence - we sometimes have to make some unpopular decisions and like I said maybe we dont always get everyone right - but I know the team PERSONALLY AND IN REAL LIFE - we are FRIENDS - and what we have in common is that we want the best for the community and the membership - and THAT is why we have been entrusted - not because we are smarter - not because we are more qualified - only because we happen to be the right place at the right time and our honesty dedication and GOOD INTENTIONS had the opportunity to present itself uninquiviatably - thats it - we are no more experts on these matters than any of you - and many of you are just as qualified and dedicated to preform the task at hand - but we MUST keep it a closed circle as much as possible in order to protect our community - and that is why you rarely see any additions to staff - not because we dont think there are members who are deserving...so how ironic is it that after all that said - that sometime we just dont know people when we think we do - and I think one of the most uncomfortable issues that all of us face as humans - is that we dont ever get to know the answers... more than just zoo issue - even in other matters - we never do get to know why that special person turned thier back on us - why this one did this - and why this one did that - it can be very disheartening - and we want to understand because we have something invested into them - and we dont like to think that we invest in junk - and maybe we dont - we just dont get to know the answer... AND JUST MAYBE THEY DONT HAVE THEMI think this thread is important too - I think what has been expressed over and over but not put in words is that the difference between "them" and "us" is just life experience - and that not only goes for the difference between zoos - beastys - and spectators - the actual subject of animal sex - but for all of the membership as well... to know an animal - to really know it is to love it - and those obsessed with just sex havent had that opportunity - and to know a human - to really know one - is to accept and love them too - the unfortunate truth is that the success of the forum often tends to lend itself to vagueness - we cant reach out to 600,000 members on an individual basis - we are limited to our experiences - and sometimes they are unpleasant - it doesnt mean they are necesarily bad people - it just means that we dont agree or understand- and we dont always get to know - all we can do is allow them to be what they have choosen and protect the community - there will always be casualties... I'd like to believe that we have become quite forgiven here - we have learned together as a team - there are many amongst us who have done wrong on the forum and have been allowed to reflourish - we are quite aware of the situation and quite aware of who most of them are - we are not fools - but what we recoginize is that they have grown and learned and that they have good intentions as well - they are not a threat to the community even if we have had our differences - and hopefully both sides can conduct ourselves better the next time and we can iron out these things before they become explosive - a simple sincere I'm sorry -on either end of the stick goes a long long way - but the key is sincerity - our past friend here is not ready - he doesnt know honesty - and he is obviously at a rough stage in his developement as a person - there is internal dischord - and he presents a serious threat to the harmony of our community - by far he is not the first - we have had intricate members of the forum fall off the beaten path - by nature it isnt surprising - even those of you whom have expressed revelations have also expressed how rough the path was to get there - this isnt an easy life - and often people just arent capable of looking at themselves in the mirror and seeing themselves for who they are - its freightening to concede that we are not like so many others - but ironically that is exactly what gives us the stregnth to become the remarkable and courageous people we have blossomed into -self acceptance isnt for the faint of heart - and the unfortunate truth is that the faint of heart are plentiful... they havent learned that by rejecting you - and rejecting us - they are rejecting themselves - denial can be a safe place to be if it gives them a piece of mind to sleep at night - some will wake and make a stake - and others -well....Ticking away the moments that make up a dull dayYou fritter and waste the hours in an off hand wayKicking around on a piece of ground in your home townWaiting for someone or something to show you the wayTired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rainYou are young and life is long and there is time to kill todayAnd then one day you find ten years have got behind youNo one told you when to run, you missed the starting gunAnd you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but its sinkingAnd racing around to come up behind you againThe sun is the same in the relative way, but youre olderShorter of breath and one day closer to deathEvery year is getting shorter, never seem to find the timePlans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled linesHanging on in quiet desperation is the english wayThe time is gone, the song is over, thought Id something more to say
QUOTE (TheDoucheBag @ Jun 15 2009, 10:20 PM) I'd have though that would be common on here. Like secret admirer said the subject of the website isn't exactly the norm! Thought trolls and arse holes would be a daily thing! S'pose they would be, but the Mods and the way the site limits Newbies does wonders for keeping that sort of thing under control---They just go away, never to be seen again...........
southy:QUOTE so how ironic is it that after all that said - that sometime we just dont know people when we think we do - and I think one of the most uncomfortable issues that all of us face as humans - is that we dont ever get to know the answers... more than just zoo issue - even in other matters - we never do get to know why that special person turned thier back on us - why this one did this - and why this one did that - it can be very disheartening - and we want to understand because we have something invested into them - and we dont like to think that we invest in junk - and maybe we dont - we just dont get to know the answer... AND JUST MAYBE THEY DONT HAVE THEMThat's kind of like they were like that all along, hiding their true self for all that time, just to rag on people after they have our confidence---I'm wondering if maybe they were genuine, and then something we will never know happened, and they just blew all to hell. Some people are resilient and can deal with life, some just reach a pressure limit and lose it.'Course we can't see the face on the other side of the monitor (Thank Heaven--and never assume. This thing has a built-in webcam behind the glass, which I keep duct tape over )Point is, someone else may have found his computer; he could have been hospitalized (or dead) and someone else found his bookmarks and assumed his identity.Thing is, we don't know. We may have been misled, or we may have been right about him, right up to the moment whatever changed. We have to be cautious, (I'm as paranoid as they come.... ) but we can't take people as liars and frauds either, or feel we failed somehow if we took them as friends........
Wow! is all i can say. Thanks for the deeper insight Southy its greatly appreciated and even opend my eyes to the more i guess "finer detail"
Wow southy, that is impressively deep. I believe i just now changed my opinion of you. I believe i should also reiterate what i said to you in a pm a few days ago. Thank you for keeping this site free of the garbage of modern society and making this place a safe haven for all of us who think alike. It really is a good thing to know we got somewhere to go where we dont have to be scared of people. Keep up the awesome work.
Mose excellent post, horndawgs! I haven't been able to access this site for a quite some time (due to never being home alone anymore). This was the perfect thing to pick up on, and I want to thank you for taking the time to write and post it. It meant a lot to me. 10!---Southy, your two cents was also amazingly deep and insightful. Everyone's opinions on this forum mean something to me, whether it be a lot or even a little, they still mean something. That said, I hope nothing I ever do in the future has any negative effect on this community, the outside community, or any individual.---Alas, as we venture out to live our lives we will all undoubtedly in some way be stared down by adversity. From what I hear, adversity is a decent opponent, but has weaknesses. If you stand your ground, it will get out of your way, and loath you for being a strong person.
Thanks Jeep 10 right back atcha!
QUOTE (southflorida @ Jun 19 2009, 09:00 PM) I want to make a few observations - they wont be earth shattering - and they wont answer any unsettling questions - but just add a few more pieces to the puzzle...I think a lot of members forget that we mods were members first - and that we are here for the same reasons as you all - I cant stress that enough - we are here to learn and grow just as you are - we are here because we have the same exact interest as you all - we put our pants on one leg at a time just like you all - we have been entrusted to serve the community - we do the best of our ability to be objective and fair - and I honestly think we do a pretty good job at that - in no way are we perfect - in many cases its actually quite an awkward position - for it seems as so many feel like there is a difference between us - like somehow we are not on the same side of the fence - we sometimes have to make some unpopular decisions and like I said maybe we dont always get everyone right - but I know the team PERSONALLY AND IN REAL LIFE - we are FRIENDS - and what we have in common is that we want the best for the community and the membership - and THAT is why we have been entrusted - not because we are smarter - not because we are more qualified - only because we happen to be the right place at the right time and our honesty dedication and GOOD INTENTIONS had the opportunity to present itself uninquiviatably - thats it - we are no more experts on these matters than any of you - and many of you are just as qualified and dedicated to preform the task at hand - but we MUST keep it a closed circle as much as possible in order to protect our community - and that is why you rarely see any additions to staff - not because we dont think there are members who are deserving...so how ironic is it that after all that said - that sometime we just dont know people when we think we do - and I think one of the most uncomfortable issues that all of us face as humans - is that we dont ever get to know the answers... more than just zoo issue - even in other matters - we never do get to know why that special person turned thier back on us - why this one did this - and why this one did that - it can be very disheartening - and we want to understand because we have something invested into them - and we dont like to think that we invest in junk - and maybe we dont - we just dont get to know the answer... AND JUST MAYBE THEY DONT HAVE THEMI think this thread is important too - I think what has been expressed over and over but not put in words is that the difference between "them" and "us" is just life experience - and that not only goes for the difference between zoos - beastys - and spectators - the actual subject of animal sex - but for all of the membership as well... to know an animal - to really know it is to love it - and those obsessed with just sex havent had that opportunity - and to know a human - to really know one - is to accept and love them too - the unfortunate truth is that the success of the forum often tends to lend itself to vagueness - we cant reach out to 600,000 members on an individual basis - we are limited to our experiences - and sometimes they are unpleasant - it doesnt mean they are necesarily bad people - it just means that we dont agree or understand- and we dont always get to know - all we can do is allow them to be what they have choosen and protect the community - there will always be casualties... I'd like to believe that we have become quite forgiven here - we have learned together as a team - there are many amongst us who have done wrong on the forum and have been allowed to reflourish - we are quite aware of the situation and quite aware of who most of them are - we are not fools - but what we recoginize is that they have grown and learned and that they have good intentions as well - they are not a threat to the community even if we have had our differences - and hopefully both sides can conduct ourselves better the next time and we can iron out these things before they become explosive - a simple sincere I'm sorry -on either end of the stick goes a long long way - but the key is sincerity - our past friend here is not ready - he doesnt know honesty - and he is obviously at a rough stage in his developement as a person - there is internal dischord - and he presents a serious threat to the harmony of our community - by far he is not the first - we have had intricate members of the forum fall off the beaten path - by nature it isnt surprising - even those of you whom have expressed revelations have also expressed how rough the path was to get there - this isnt an easy life - and often people just arent capable of looking at themselves in the mirror and seeing themselves for who they are - its freightening to concede that we are not like so many others - but ironically that is exactly what gives us the stregnth to become the remarkable and courageous people we have blossomed into -self acceptance isnt for the faint of heart - and the unfortunate truth is that the faint of heart are plentiful... they havent learned that by rejecting you - and rejecting us - they are rejecting themselves - denial can be a safe place to be if it gives them a piece of mind to sleep at night - some will wake and make a stake - and others -well....Ticking away the moments that make up a dull dayYou fritter and waste the hours in an off hand wayKicking around on a piece of ground in your home townWaiting for someone or something to show you the wayTired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rainYou are young and life is long and there is time to kill todayAnd then one day you find ten years have got behind youNo one told you when to run, you missed the starting gunAnd you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but its sinkingAnd racing around to come up behind you againThe sun is the same in the relative way, but youre olderShorter of breath and one day closer to deathEvery year is getting shorter, never seem to find the timePlans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled linesHanging on in quiet desperation is the english wayThe time is gone, the song is over, thought Id something more to say Great observation Southy.10 my friend for that and the seemless link to Dark side of the MoonKarma
QUOTE (Horndawgs110503 @ Jun 19 2009, 10:55 PM) Wow! is all i can say. Thanks for the deeper insight Southy its greatly appreciated and even opend my eyes to the more i guess "finer detail" 10 for you Horndawgs hun for being the author of this lively thread.Think its inspired alot of people with different views to post which is good.Above all, think it shows the need for tolerence, and that occasionally, you need to think outside the box.Great thread
Very good thread Horndawg. Its a shame some people will exist on the internet strictly to cause conflict or harm. As any tool can be used to build it also can destroy. It seems that there is a new level of troll to dub. Bipolar Troll = Bitroll ? HmmmBTW: I think it should be stickY too .
It changed my live
This site allowed me to relive and share my zoo-sexual experiences with others, and I thank you for that.
You Done Good, Horndawgs !! Thank you ever so much ! Southy, ye've done allright by yeself, also !!
.....I'm speechless. That was very well said HD. I never thought long and hard about what this site means to me. But after reading what you wrote I have started thinking of when I found this site and knew "Wow, I'm not the only one!" I think now of the friendships I have with people I have never met and who live worlds away. I remember all the advice and other info I have picked up around the site so I can prepare. I think this site means a lot to all of us (except the leechers and bashers out there). I will say this again, Great Post!
Horn Dawgs,Thank you so much for posting your sentiments and wise thoughts. I too find this site to be a tribute not only to our friends but also to the understanding we all should have toward one another. Each person should be able to enjoy all that life has to offer as long as he/she does not harm another. And yes, I am a Proud member of the Horn Dawgs Fan Club at http://www.beastforum.com/showtopic-145841.htmlLunalupo
Thanks Luna you are more than welcomed
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I agree with you in all aspects.If we start munching on each other we will be weaker to outsider interference (such as zoobuster, and yellow press).On the other hand, history has shown that changes come when little outskirters join to push up change, such as protestantism became strong by accepting people who believed the earth turned arround the sun, or supported other "unconventional" ideas...let the attraction to animals be our flag.
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Wow horndawg your initial post is very well put. And makes me question if i should be here or not as i have not contributed anything of note to the site. Alls i know is theres nothing more beautiful to me than to read about or see women who love or are in love with their dogs and have felt that way for as far back as i can remember. Sadly in my life i may never have the chance to enjoy all you enjoy for reasons i dont really want to go into. Needless to say i love this site and all its genuine people and it just feels like i am home when i am amongst you all. Thanks for everything you do its much appreciated
QUOTE (kaiguy @ Jul 12 2009, 07:05 PM) Wow horndawg your initial post is very well put. And makes me question if i should be here or not as i have not contributed anything of note to the site. Alls i know is theres nothing more beautiful to me than to read about or see women who love or are in love with their dogs and have felt that way for as far back as i can remember. Sadly in my life i may never have the chance to enjoy all you enjoy for reasons i dont really want to go into. Needless to say i love this site and all its genuine people and it just feels like i am home when i am amongst you all. Thanks for everything you do its much appreciated regardless if you contribute or not, I still thank you for your support and you likeness your this life style thank your for your kind comments 10 for you
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Nicely written and emoted. As I'm rather new to this board, I haven't really witnessed much of the tension you mention between zoos and beasties, though I can could see where a few sticking points may arise. Hopefully people don't take it too far, and remember that we're all here because we love animals in one way or another.And like you said, THANK GOD I'M NOT ALONE!
This site is to me like other forums are: a way to burn some time. Though this site is more personal to me due to the "taboo" nature of my sex life.
great insightful thread with wonderful comments thanks HD for starting such a thought provoking thread. U deserve many warm hugs and wet kisses.
Wow man... -wipes a tear-I came here because I was looking for support at the exact same time that this was on page one of the Zoophilia board.I could not agree more... I get a lump in my throat when I realize that even being on the internet, and not having seen any of you people's faces before in my life, you don't take advantage of you anonymity to be a dick, instead, you all provide warmth and help of all shapes and sizes, because we all share a common bond. Think about it, it's easy to be a jerk on the internet, behind an anonymous mask where no one knows who you are.But to be kind and welcoming in a large community behind that mask? It says a lot about your character, in the real world especially. To show what good can be done on the internet, and the bonds that can be built.Thank you so much. I am not alone here, and I never will be.May the spirits shine upon you in your days to come.
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totally agree - new member here - joined because I wanted to act upon my desire - don't need to be bashed -- I don't know how mutiple accounts can be found, but there has to be away and totally ban the person for ever and warnings to other groups
I would also like to add that since i found rhis forum i've found friends i dont think i would have found on the outside alone.I feel accepted here.I would like to thank every single member here for being here.I accept you all as part of my extended family and my door is always open to all who need it.
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THank you guys for all your kind comments. and accounts can be found and banned through IP addresses though some may think they can get away with it but eventually may be found or not. But i came here like everyone else, looking for like minded people and we find an accepting world here that we cannot find out in the open. its such a great sight that people can take advantage of and dont really realize the importance that this site may have to others...
Great post, and wonderfull comments everyone! I am so glad this site exists THANK YOU to all members
Thanks for posting this, it is so very true.There are a few bad apples who ruin it for the rest of us. But the rest of us, are good people. I guess the bad ones just seem to have the most impact. I really love this site. It mean so much to me, and has since I joined a couple years back. It is a refuge of sorts.This zoo community is the only place I really feel true acceptance. I hope someday to make friends here who I can call my friends forever. I'm not here for some random sexual encounters. I am not a very sexual person, to be honest, especially with humans. Sex means nothing to me compared to the possibility of finding some people to have good conversation with. It isn't easy being zoo, but I guess I wouldn't trade it for the world. Means I have something wonderful in common with the good people on this forum. Even though I am shy and don't know you guys, I love ya. *hugs*
When my friend pointed out this site to me, I thought, yeah sure I’ll check it out, thinking it’s probably nothing for me.Once here i saw the comments on the threads saying what a great community this is, but i honestly didn’t see it. I figured we where all here for the semi same reason and that was it, boy was I wrong!As time went on, I was encouraged to post, rather reluctantly I ventured out and made a few posts here and there, then slowly but surely I started to get a feel for the place, and also got to know the people a little bit better.I never thought I would contribute much, but before I knew it I was up to the ‘magic 100’, and today, with this post I hit 500, wow how did that happen? Well, as soon as I started to be more active on the threads I got to see first hand what a GREAT community this is, the love and support we give each other, strength when needed and a cheer here and there, not to mention all the great laughter’s.Oh and let’s not forget the entertainment section, all the photo’s, videos and stories posted, thanks to each and every one of you, you brighten up our otherwise so bleak day’s and nights.So a special thank you to my friend, without him I wouldn’t be here, and also a huge thank you to all of you BF’ers, for making me feel apart of our great community!
QUOTE (sweetallis @ Nov 2 2009, 03:19 PM) When my friend pointed out this site to me, I thought, yeah sure I’ll check it out, thinking it’s probably nothing for me.Once here i saw the comments on the threads saying what a great community this is, but i honestly didn’t see it. I figured we where all here for the semi same reason and that was it, boy was I wrong!As time went on, I was encouraged to post, rather reluctantly I ventured out and made a few posts here and there, then slowly but surely I started to get a feel for the place, and also got to know the people a little bit better.I never thought I would contribute much, but before I knew it I was up to the ‘magic 100’, and today, with this post I hit 500, wow how did that happen? Well, as soon as I started to be more active on the threads I got to see first hand what a GREAT community this is, the love and support we give each other, strength when needed and a cheer here and there, not to mention all the great laughter’s.Oh and let’s not forget the entertainment section, all the photo’s, videos and stories posted, thanks to each and every one of you, you brighten up our otherwise so bleak day’s and nights.So a special thank you to my friend, without him I wouldn’t be here, and also a huge thank you to all of you BF’ers, for making me feel apart of our great community! Congat's on the 500th.....I love reading your posts......Love imagining your experiences like I was a mouse in the corner....And of course your friendship is one that always makes me pause.......
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Such wonderful replies and stories! Its great to hear everyones stories no how they came here and they started to feel more at home. When i started i didnt know where to poste or what to really say. I had spent most of my time reading stories and watching bliss i was blind to the true purpose of this site and that was to bring people together, make friends and maybe find the someone special. I started getting more involved with this site played the hands in the general and started interacting wgtg the other members and over time have made some wonderful friends and best friends and i had finally found my mate !
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QUOTE (Horndawgs110503 @ Nov 9 2009, 05:42 PM) Such wonderful replies and stories! Its great to hear everyones stories no how they came here and they started to feel more at home. When i started i didnt know where to poste or what to really say. I had spent most of my time reading stories and watching bliss i was blind to the true purpose of this site and that was to bring people together, make friends and maybe find the someone special. I started getting more involved with this site played the hands in the general and started interacting wgtg the other members and over time have made some wonderful friends and best friends and i had finally found my mate ! It's wonderful that you found someone special! Happy for you
You said everything I felt but didn't know how to say.When I found BF, I new I wasn't alone. Zoo or Beast were are in this together.I have found assistance with a Zoo related issue that had been weighing on me pretty hard. The advice I got helped me quite a bit. Everyone her is great.
Why was this person banned?I like this post
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