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Well I generally do not have the money to buy it and lately I've been using some different oils from my cabinet and I was wondering if this was a bad idea, and possibly if there was anything better?Also sorry if this is in the wrong section I just thought this was the most fitting place.
Well, I personally put a lot of stock in what nature provides--it's safe and free.Otherwise would not suggest anything not made for the purpose, certainly not "oil from the cabinet".
jusr hawk up a big alivia!!Both will love it!!' himfella
Honestly, if the "natural juices" are not enough... saliva is the next best thing, seriously.For natural lubes... olive oil is the *only* oil I'd even consider -- others can muck with natural PH of the body... Olive oil isn't exactly 100% clear from this problem either, but it usually has a better success rate used as lube. For something healthy, plain yogurt (with no extra sugar/fruit/etc. added) is good I hear.If you can't afford most lubes (they are on the expensive side, I find,) vet. lube or j-lube is comparatively cheap and fun, haha, so maybe look into that?Never use any non-organic lubes whatsoever though, such as mineral oil or baby oil... and even thigns like vegetable/canola oil can be a bit harsh. I wouldn't use any sort of spread for lube either.hHope this helps some!
QUOTE (Fabled @ Dec 13 2008, 05:17 AM) Well I generally do not have the money to buy it and lately I've been using some different oils from my cabinet and I was wondering if this was a bad idea, and possibly if there was anything better?Also sorry if this is in the wrong section I just thought this was the most fitting place. anything that is oil base is not recomended for female dogs anyway I tried olive oil and my girldog got infection in her uterus a trip to the vet hospital and an $800.00 surgery bill my bitch was spayed so much for the good times [QUOTE]
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Most of the farm supply and feed-and-seed type places sell veterinary lube, and the notion has a kinky appeal to me. What better to use than the stuff that's made for animals?OTOH, my Vet keeps a bottle of regular KY right on the counter top, so I guess it works both ways.
Stallion gel is amazing lube and its free if you know what you are doing and have access
QUOTE OTOH, my Vet keeps a bottle of regular KY right on the counter top, so I guess it works both ways.of course it works both ways. We all are not that different. QUOTE anything that is oil base is not recomended for female dogs anyway I tried olive oil and my girldog got infection in her uterus a trip to the vet hospital and an $800.00 surgery bill my bitch was spayed so much for the good timesoh no, what a bad way to learn that does not work. Live and learn. I wouldn't take the chance of infection. Use something that is meant for that purpose. If vet lube is cheaper, by all means, get that. Don't make do with what you can find in the kitchen. Is lube really that expensive? Olive oil was mentioned above but that costs as much as lube from what I have seen.Do not improvise on lube.
Heavens sake--If you can't afford $2.15 for a tube of lube, how are you ever going to buy dog food or routine vet care?Not really a fan of off-site links, but I can recommend:http://www.jefferspet.com/department/ob-supplies-1299.cfmNow whip out that Visa and do your part........
Thanks everyone and as for the veterinary lubes I had honestly never thought about that...and now that I think about it..feel kind of dumb for it. xDAlthough I never would of thought using any types of oils could be dangerous. I always bought them instead since I was always to embarrassed to buy lubes but, I guess I'll have to suck it up eh? X3and neandernitz thank you. I will check there next time I need more.
From what I've read on here a few times, oils are just bad--period.I took the advice that was given a while back and got a bottle of j-lube from nasco. It was $14 shipped and it's a bottle of powder that you mix yourself with distilled water. Really good stuff. Depending on how thick you want the mix, it makes 2-8 gallons.Just search for 'j-lube' on google and read the FAQ for it. Lots of information. I found that to be very helpful.
QUOTE (Fabled @ Dec 14 2008, 12:49 AM) Thanks everyone and as for the veterinary lubes I had honestly never thought about that...and now that I think about it..feel kind of dumb for it. xDAlthough I never would of thought using any types of oils could be dangerous. I always bought them instead since I was always to embarrassed to buy lubes but, I guess I'll have to suck it up eh? X3and neandernitz thank you. I will check there next time I need more. well experience takes time and at b/f were just glad to help a fellow zoo with our accumulated knowledge people on other side of fence don,t know what there missing
QUOTE (Fabled @ Dec 13 2008, 05:49 PM) Thanks everyone and as for the veterinary lubes I had honestly never thought about that...and now that I think about it..feel kind of dumb for it. xDAlthough I never would of thought using any types of oils could be dangerous. I always bought them instead since I was always to embarrassed to buy lubes but, I guess I'll have to suck it up eh? X3and neandernitz thank you. I will check there next time I need more. No embarrassment needed-- Jeffers is a legit vet supply. Just don't say anything weird, and order whatever. If you buy a case of it, they will just assume you are collecting a stallion for AI. All the stuff has actual animal care uses, and MOST of the people who order are not actual vets. You need an actual vet's prescription to order controlled meds, tho'. Might check out other stuff,too-- leashes, fence chargers, halters, feeders, dog crates--like that. Cheaper than Nasco, too!Oh, and I'll be waiting for you folks at Jeffers to buy me an Elite for that............
Maybe I am a bit old fashioned, but has anybody else ever use paraffin oil as a lubricant. Personal I have never had any problems with it and most animals seem to like licking it of my body.
Isn't paraffin oil a petroleum product, or does that mean something different in Aus.?
According to Wikipedia: Medicinal Liquid Paraffin is a very highly refined mineral white oil used in cosmetics and for medical purposes. This is a UK definition (British Pharmacopoeia) and the term may have different uses in other countries. The cosmetic or medicinal liquid paraffin should not be confused with the paraffin (or kerosene) used as a fuel.So it's the same thing as USP mineral oil, non-toxic and sterile. The problem of any greasy substance making an unnatural coating and encouraging a secondary infection probably still applies though.
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QUOTE (neandernitz @ Dec 14 2008, 10:28 PM) Isn't paraffin oil a petroleum product, or does that mean something different in Aus.? yes peraffin is an oil base product
Some non petroleum based oils along with K-Y can do but I like J-Lube best. Embarrassed? Get out card, go to sites and order and comes to your door. J-Lube can be made to how thick and how much you want and is a vet supply.
QUOTE (ErrWolf @ Dec 14 2008, 09:26 PM) According to Wikipedia: Medicinal Liquid Paraffin is a very highly refined mineral white oil used in cosmetics and for medical purposes. This is a UK definition (British Pharmacopoeia) and the term may have different uses in other countries. The cosmetic or medicinal liquid paraffin should not be confused with the paraffin (or kerosene) used as a fuel.So it's the same thing as USP mineral oil, non-toxic and sterile. The problem of any greasy substance making an unnatural coating and encouraging a secondary infection probably still applies though. I see. In the US midwest, the "paraffin oil" I remember is a very low grade motor oil that was available (in the '70s) that was used in very old engines, and even then was not recommended because it did not meet "modern" ('70s) engine requirements.Probably didn't meet USP requirements, either, but it WAS quite inexpensive-- about 35 cents a quart......
When I first started, it never occurred to me to use lubricant.You guys are an education. Thanks!
QUOTE (Fabled @ Dec 13 2008, 05:49 PM) I always bought them instead since I was always to embarrassed to buy lubes but, I guess I'll have to suck it up eh? X3 There's always Amazon...The most commonly recommended source for vet lubes and J-lube is Nasco, where you can also order online. You can buy the stuff by the gallon for not much more than a couple small bottles of regular lube.
I've read a few messages where peanut butter was used to get the animal 'a-licking', never bother to think about it until now, I assume its not chunky? As for me, maybe I have her trained, very rare I have to use a lubricant, if I do its KY.
Just remember that JLube is also not safe for use in any situation where blood is common... ie the first time you get raped by a stallion JLube gets into the blood and the strands that make it up (that's all most synthetic lube is, strands of plastics bound together) are caught by the kidney's and are not removed.KY generic is $2.50 at Walmart. Do not use household oils, period. No veg oil, no any oil.Vet lube is fine if you USE it. If you don't go through a whole gallon in a month, things WILL grow in it and it will not be remotely sterile. Vets don't care about non-sterile lube because they use it for non-sterile procedures. When they want sterile lube, for breeding mares for example, they use a small tube that is sterile, like Surgilube or Priority Care. KY USED to be very common, but the new formulation is no longer sterile like it used to be just a few years ago.For stallions and toys I use JLube, for mares I use spit, for dogs I use nothing but natural juices.
Called J&J (makers of KY)KY is made of water and cellulose. Have no info on J-Lube, have never used it. Could well be plastic.KY was just lube for years; then they made Spermicidal/sterile, and caught so much shit from stallion owners who were using it in A.V. 's and wanted the sperm to survive, that the product went back to just water and cellulose. New tube is bacteria free, but if you're careless with an open tube, it can get dirty. There's no disinfectant in it to keep it sterile.I'm talking about the plain kind, BTW.
I did not know about the danger of JLube getting into the bloodstream. Thanks for letting us know.LTD
Its "a" plastic, there are many many kinds. In this case its just a long strand polimer chain made of polyethaline that works very well for its purpose, it does however have risks. I use it, but some hospitals are ceasing use.KY is still spermicidal I though... most people do not use it anymore. Commercial KY is made for hospitals, not stallion owners. The hospitals use KY by the case for covering burn victems, and the clorihexidine is needed to help prevent infection. But we still used it for years because it was still the best avalible, and very few people have issues with the disinfectant being spermicidal. Remember, WATER is spermacidal, so the term is relative. But then KY stopped selling the metal tubes, stopped making it sterile, and only sell it as a personal lubricant now. So stallion owner's have switched to Priority Care and Surgilube, which are sterile and PC is non-spermicidal (Surgilube still is).PS: ALL water based lubes are spermicidal by nature. Even Priority Care. There is ONE new product out there that is physiologically isotonic, but it costs something like $8 per tube. Its called PreSeed, or something like that.
I've only been using KY in the metal tubes-- Didn't know about the other.Sorry to mislead anybody.......
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Yes, J-Lube is a synthetic material, and it has the danger of being caught in the kidneys and coagulating, but I think the only way it happens is if it can make it into a blood vessel. I could be mistaken on that one, but I believe that's what I read about it.Regarding the amount of it that can be made and the sterility of it, yes, you can make several gallons of it all at once if you want, but as was stated, it sits there and stuff grows in it, and that's bad.I either make it in small batches (less than 3 ounces), or use it the way it was intended: wet your hands, apply powder, rub wet hands together, you're done.Spit works really well most of the time though. I find that comes off of skin much easier afterward.
witch way you use it? for my backdoor showerge works pretty good
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The only substitute to real lube that I recomend is Saliva
Natural is best if it's anything short of blood it's okay.
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apart from good ol' saliva, a few things i've tried with human sex partners is baby oil, olive oil and moisturiser.
QUOTE (k9boi86 @ Feb 19 2009, 06:14 AM) apart from good ol' saliva, a few things i've tried with human sex partners is baby oil, olive oil and moisturiser. QUOTE OTOH, my Vet keeps a bottle of regular KY right on the counter top, so I guess it works both ways.of course it works both ways. We all are not that different. QUOTEanything that is oil base is not recomended for female dogs anyway I tried olive oil and my girldog got infection in her uterus a trip to the vet hospital and an $800.00 surgery bill my bitch was spayed so much for the good timesoh no, what a bad way to learn that does not work. Live and learn. I wouldn't take the chance of infection. Use something that is meant for that purpose. If vet lube is cheaper, by all means, get that. Don't make do with what you can find in the kitchen. Is lube really that expensive? Olive oil was mentioned above but that costs as much as lube from what I have seen.Do not improvise on lube.-------------------- Heavens sake--If you can't afford $2.15 for a tube of lube, how are you ever going to buy dog food or routine vet care?Not really a fan of off-site links, but I can recommend:http://www.jefferspet.com/department/ob-supplies-1299.cfmNow whip out that Visa and do your part........ To get the most from the site, it's a good idea to read the entire thread. There's a lot of good info farther down.......
Well, the box for my plain KY Jelly, in a "stand up tube" made of plastic and purchased at a local grocery store's pharmacy section, says clearly on the label that it does NOT contain a spermicide.I either use KY, or my dog's saliva, when I let him mount my tailhole. He likes to lick me a LOT in foreplay, and often that is quite sufficient.I can't recall for sure, but I think the last time my vet checked my dog's anal glands, the lube HE used may well have been ordinary KY. Dogs have a set of 2 glands right near the anus that are scent glands. It's the musk from those glands that dogs sniff for when they sniff each others butts. It apparently has a distinctive odor for each dog, as well as for their emotional states. (An upset or anxious dog smells more pungent.) My first dog occasionally needed to have his anal glands manually drained. The openings would get blocked, and it was necessary to stick a finger into his butt and apply pressure from inside as well as from the outside, to clear the duct and drain the gland. Stunk terribly, but was necessary, and the vet showed me how to do it myself. What I recall from that is the Vet said if I ever needed to "express" my dog's anal glands, I should just wear a rubber glove and use ordinary KY jelly as a lube.Considering that dogs will lick their own butts, and he didn't caution me at all about preventing the dog from licking the lube, I would have to say that KY should be a pretty harmless choice as a lube for sex with a dog.
Thanks, Doggy. Good to know. All i've ever used is Natural and plain KY..... Think I'd avoid the J-lube.
KY is my current lube of choice. I used J-lube and still have some around but I am back to KY after hearing that J-lube molecules can enter the bloodstream and dammage the kidneys.LTD
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