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So, I'm kinda new to the whole zoo thing, as in I've only been intimate with my dog for the past two months or so, but I'm having issues keeping it a secret here at my home. I live with my brother and girlfriend, and our two german sheperds- Sarian and Damian. Damian is one little hornball, and only recently has he started to show interest in sexual activities outside of the bedroom, and my brother is talking about having him nutered to 'get his frustration under contol'. Sarian is inactive when it comes to sex, and I don't think I could stand it if Damian was nutered. I just feel as if it wouldn't be the same. Should I just confess to my brother why I don't want Damian snipped, or just try to think of some reason or other to not have him nutered? Maybe just let Damian get fixed? Help?
these are the EXACT issues we point out about fencehopping or being active with a dog that shares a residence with others - I suggest you do some reading in both the how tos and zoo sections
u never mentioned how old yur dog was younger dogs have a greater sexual appetite then older one,s so U may have to masterbate him everyday in yur bedroom so he wont have any outside interest , oh by the way U never mentioned how often he services U ??dogs have no problem giving 3 services per day
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Hate to disagree (you see that put forth so often), but jacking him off will not make him less active, but more so. He will eagerly expect it, and unless you can do him every 2 hours or so, you won't reduce his interest that way.As to the argument against neutering, as Southy said, it's been covered in depth here before---way more completely than I can cover--Read up on it.In your particular case, you might get some traction arguing that it's a passing thing, and would decrease with maturity. Keep in mind though that putting up too much resistance will make people wonder why, and once they wonder, they will begin watching you more carefully........
You also need to work on controlling him outside of the bedroom and making him understand that he CANNOT try to have sex anywhere else.Teach him a special cue- like putting socks on his paws, or whatever.. and only let him have sex at that time, in that room when YOU want it. Not when he does.
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QUOTE (tigerrarr @ Nov 9 2008, 09:00 AM) You also need to work on controlling him outside of the bedroom and making him understand that he CANNOT try to have sex anywhere else.Teach him a special cue- like putting socks on his paws, or whatever.. and only let him have sex at that time, in that room when YOU want it. Not when he does. Very good idea---Although getting anything akin to cooperation from a young dog will be like asking a human teenager to curb their hormones..........
I think maybe if you worked with him, like others have suggested, on getting his sexual behavior controlled (and perhaps confined to the bedroom), it would make a big difference. It is quite possible to train a dog not to perform sexual behavior in public places, and still not break their (sexual) spirit, and this includes young dogs (competition dogs, police dogs and other such dogs are examples of this... and I've discussed personally, with a well-known dog handler about correcting for sexual behavior, i.e. leg humping, and he assured me that it doens't have any effect on the dog's breeding performance). Just be diligent... The socks cue is a good one (I'm having to start that with my new dog, as he's not shy about grabbing my leg infront of anyone!).How old is this dog? The "this will pass" excuse to not neuter may or may not work, depending on his age... Though if you work on conditioning him better to only display this behavior at certain times/places, it may appear to the rest of your house that it is a passing thing .
As southy said be very careful about fence hopping, but as sarx said there is a possibility that with the correct training you might be able to save the dog from having his testicles removed.
QUOTE (st benard @ Nov 9 2008, 02:26 PM) As southy said be very careful about fence hopping, but as sarx said there is a possibility that with the correct training you might be able to save the dog from having his testicles removed. its not fence hopping if its a shared dog or "family" dog. Still the same issue applies though. Someone else still has control to neuter him. I think you are right about correct training. Why do people neuter dogs? Often it is to stop sexual behavior instead of actually properly training them to curtail this behavior. This is one of the reasons I feel neutering is wrong because its due to laziness on the human side. When you adopt a dog, you take full responsibility for every part of that dog. Some "benefits" of neutering is reduction of sexual behavior, but the underlying issue is not really fixed. The dog is still not properly trained. Tell your housemates that this is a passing phase and work on controlling the dog. I agree with this:QUOTE How old is this dog? The "this will pass" excuse to not neuter may or may not work, depending on his age... Though if you work on conditioning him better to only display this behavior at certain times/places, it may appear to the rest of your house that it is a passing thing wink.gif. That if you train the dog to behave himself, then to others he will appear to have passed the bad behavior as if it were a phase in growing up.
Aside from training, there was a study done on the health effects of neutering and spaying that you might want to read.As it turns out, there are good AND bad reasons to fix an animal...similarly there are good AND bad reasons to not do so. Here is a link:(Oops I can't link yet, google for "Long-Term Health risks and benefits off Spay/neuter")You could use some of this information to talk to your brother about health reasons for not fixing the animal. Neutering can increase the chances that a dog gets one of several health issues. Most people say that you should neuter a dog to avoid testicular cancer. Well..if you remove a dogs testicles, of COURSE he won't get testicular cancer. But if you dog isn't neutered and he does get testicular cancer, most dogs are cured by a neutering at that point. Anyways...this is just an alternative of a way to talk to your brother. I would use information like this and talk about how you are going to work on training him since those are healthier ways to resolve your brothers qualms with the dog.
well said. Thank you. Here is the article:long term effects articleIt's a PDF, if you can't view PDF, here's same article in HTML: here
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Thanks alot guys. I'll go read up on it some more. He's about three and a half years old. I've been training him to understand that it stays in the bedroom, and he was doing just fine before this little bout of sudden frustration. Two times a day is about our usual routine. One at night when everyone's to their seperate part of the house, and one in the late morning/early afternoon when no body is home but us. Jacking him off won't help, I promise you that... Damian isn't too fond of being serviced, he just wants what ever is presented to him.Hell, Damian isn't even targeting me directly- he jumped my brother yesterday, and God did Michael get pissed. I know that if I fight too stongly on the matter, he'll start to get suspicious, but at the same time, he'll be expecting it from me. I've rarely let him go get any of our dogs fixed. So he's expecting a small fight on it, but... I'm not to sure where my boundaries lie on this one.Thanks for all of the advice so far! It is helping.
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dogs have to B reminded who,s in charge , first of all next time he attempt to mount anybody u must say to him in a stern voice( No )then grab him by the nose with yur hand wraped around it then get on yur knees so yur nose to nose and hold him that way so he cant look away then with other hand use pointing finger and tap his nose 3 or 4 times and say no every time u tap his nose then stand up and point with yur hand for him to go to the area where his bed is or take him to yur room and close the door and say stay , have to keep things simple with animals use single sylable words with physical hand or body movement then yur dog will assciate word and physical movement , hope this helps
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