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Posted by harleydaddy67 on August 12th 2008, 8:19

Who likes to combine bdsm and beastiality?

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Posted by 50toto on August 12th 2008, 10:38

The Romans.

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Posted by wicked mutt on August 12th 2008, 12:50

me!...well i havent rlly done it,,but i draw it,and am interested XD

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Posted by LongThinDane on August 16th 2008, 4:45

I don't involve humans at all in my sex life. I do not want or like to inflict pain on anybody unless it is in defense of my family.LTD

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Posted by energydog on August 16th 2008, 8:47

zoophilia or even bestiality does not necessarily equate with being into S&M or B&D. I think its a wrap we get from popular media beliefe that the aforementioned sexualities are so out there; that those practioners must be into bestiality as well. But I think its largely a myth. Most people who indulge in animal sex are primary beasties or zooeys and not into or at least not heavily into the B&D or S&M culture.

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Posted by cstek on August 16th 2008, 10:15

Does wanting to be fucked senseless by a big spiney cat cock make me "into S&M"?If so, I'm guilty of wanting, but not doing

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Posted by dMichaelo on August 17th 2008, 10:42

I always prefer to think of the two separately. Zoo sex seems enough in itself.

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Posted by monte overman on August 17th 2008, 11:20

To me S/M enhances the experience. I intentionally tie with dogs that will cause a great deal of discomfort (intense pain). It is so exciting for me to know that their knot is so big that it will be impossible to pull it out. I always regret it after getting stuck, but I will do it over and over again. The bigger he is, the more I want it to happen, regardless of, and specifically BECAUSE OF, the consequences.

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Posted by harleydaddy67 on August 19th 2008, 18:54

i find it a turnon to have a submissive willing to please me to the point of being willing to be bound and mounted by a dog.

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Posted by energydog on August 19th 2008, 20:01

QUOTE (cstek @ Aug 16 2008, 09:15 AM) Does wanting to be fucked senseless by a big spiney cat cock make me "into S&M"? No, it just mean you're horny. Duh!

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Posted by dblinsey_99 on August 19th 2008, 20:24

Hi,I haven't done anything regarding BDSM yet, but would be interested in being bound to a 'breeding stand' if it were constructed with a human female in mind. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any examples on the internet.SighDonna

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Posted by EnigmaticVixen on August 19th 2008, 21:17

Personally I enjoy combining bondage/restraint and occassionally mild discomfort while engaged with an animal in some fashion, even just being orally pleased by an animal while keeping yourself purposely restrained adds a bit of extra something, or giving oral pleasure to a male dog while his weight is on you, keeping you put and at your work...not that most of us would want to go anywhere anyway One big reality-to-be of mine is being tied down to a proper-height table and bred by a male dog. I'm normally highly dominant and in control of anything sexual in my life(I've dommed men a few times, and highly enjoy it ), but that fantasy of giving up the control to a canine lover is still in there. So much so that I plan to actually do it as soon as the opportunity comes along.

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Posted by dblinsey_99 on August 19th 2008, 22:47

Hello again!Just read your reply EnigmaticVixen, and it got me to thinking (which is always dangerious!). Isn't the act of mating with your 'boy' more than a little bit submissive in and of itself? Let me explain.It seems to me that the very act of getting into position and presenting yourself for a mount in and of itself is submissive. Think about it a bit. To me, the female loses all control when she is in position. The 'equipment' is open and exposed, you really can't do much once you are in position and in fact, you're in effect, helpless - especially once he actually penetrates you - and let's not talk about the tie! The idea that you are giving up that control, not to a human male who has the same general values, but to an animal is to me, very submissive.I think if you were to scratch the vaneer of every female in this forum, you would find at least a closet submissive, the key is if she admits it to herself. She may hide it by convincing herself that it's fun (it is!) that it's erotic (oh yes!) and it feels so damn good (beyond belief!), but in reality, she is 'submitting' to an activity that would be condemned by the rest of society.To me, that sounds submissive.That being said, if anyone were to meet me on the street, work with me on a daily basis or know me as a family friend, no one would put me in the 'submissive' catigory. But there it is, a secret that I've only shared (in real life) with my husband.The fact that Vixen likes domination periodically is wonderful. That's just another facet of her life - and there isn't a bloody thing wrong with that. But she does admit that she enjoys submission as well.I would argue that this opinion is shared with every other female in the room. Am I wrong in this assumption?The fact that I would like to experience a 'breeding stand' is just an escallation of my submissive side. I doubt if I'll ever experience it, but it is still a very vivid fantasy of mine.I intentionally did not mention the guys in here. I can't speak to their motivation - I'm not a guy (thank God!) so I feel I'm totally unqualified in assessing their drive. So I don't want to go there!I don't know. Maybe I'm all wet and don't know what the hell I'm talking about. It just seems that way to me.Just my thoughts.Donna

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Posted by EnigmaticVixen on August 19th 2008, 22:55

There's gotta be a little of everything, that's how I see it personally...I am dominant sexually at least 99% of the time and very in control of most aspects of my life as well, but for anyone that loves to be in control of their lives often there's a yearning to let go every now and then and not have to do everything and think about every detail. For me, an animal is the only creature I would ever be submissive towards, I trust them more than people most of the time. With humans I would never be submissive and I never have been, but with animals I can see it happening and enjoying it, because I know it'll be ok, I can trust enough to let go.

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Posted by furryslut on August 20th 2008, 0:28

Honestly I never have, but it is an idea that I would love to try.

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Posted by k9wiccan on August 20th 2008, 0:40

I've never done the K9 thing but i've done some light BDSM and it's been great. I wouldn't mind combining the 2 into a delicious weekend of pleasure and fun

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Posted by NanakiWolfMon on August 20th 2008, 7:05

I've considered myself somewhat masochistic with certain breeds of dogs. Some shepherds I have been with, and other northern breeds I wish I was with. I mainly like deepthroating to the point of choking myself on their dick, as if I were the dog's bitch.Then I have fantasies of being raped by certain cartoon canines. But other than that, haven't had really any experience in the BDSM scene. Not into it with people. But with certain dogs, I kind of like the scratching and mouthing. And even peeing on me as if to humiliate me.

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Posted by GilroysZoos on August 27th 2008, 0:01

We are new here but not to BDSM we are not into pain SM but rather BD... the though of her being tied down and mounded excited me to no end......

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Posted by OGs_subgirl on August 28th 2008, 0:18

We are a D/s couple, into BDSM. D/s and B/D more than SM, but a combination of all three.I was interested to find out if beastiality and BDSM crossed over in any way... sex with animals appears to be a common fantasy amongst many D/s practicioners.

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Posted by harleydaddy67 on August 28th 2008, 17:16

i asked the same questions in a bdsm group on myspace and it was not very well recieved. beast play is kind of a touchey subject with some people. but still i would like to combine both, just need willing partner(s)

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Posted by FeedMissPiggy on August 28th 2008, 17:50

I am definately a fat submissive little piggie, if I ended up bringing my desires into reality I'd like to involve the canine, food and somehow my submission together if done ideally being I've always had my own submissive desires. I am not really into S/m too much. Too much pain for me, more into humiliation and perhaps bondage,or feederism

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Posted by Lucky13Dogs on August 28th 2008, 22:48

hmm...never thought of the two being related. I'm not at all into bondage. Discipline isn't one of my turn ons either.

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Posted by subfemme on August 29th 2008, 1:20

QUOTE (EnigmaticVixen @ Aug 19 2008, 08:17 PM) Personally I enjoy combining bondage/restraint and occassionally mild discomfort while engaged with an animal in some fashion, even just being orally pleased by an animal while keeping yourself purposely restrained adds a bit of extra something, or giving oral pleasure to a male dog while his weight is on you, keeping you put and at your work...not that most of us would want to go anywhere anyway One big reality-to-be of mine is being tied down to a proper-height table and bred by a male dog. I'm normally highly dominant and in control of anything sexual in my life(I've dommed men a few times, and highly enjoy it ), but that fantasy of giving up the control to a canine lover is still in there. So much so that I plan to actually do it as soon as the opportunity comes along. Goodness as someone more into bdsm than most on here i guess i found my way into this once a dom mentioned bf activities ...but anyway i tend to agree with EnigmaticVixen on this one...stay well evreyone..

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Posted by krazzyray on September 29th 2008, 7:18

I know in my group of bdsm friends it is a big fantasy. Everyone is anxious for it to happen. I know it has happened in private with some. No one has pulled it off for a scene yet but I believe it will happen. I think my need to do it with a horse might be hard to pull off in a dungeon but man I would love to take video back to shoot up on the wall while krazzyray and I scene to it! Soon I hope.. soon!Krazzyray's KrazzyJ

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Posted by dirtbiker2000 on September 29th 2008, 11:58

Well I really enjoy getting scratched and bitten during sex and love the way stallions give little love nips. So could say I do. Also i would quite like to be tied up and mounted by a k9. Is somthing that definitely appeals.

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Posted by subfemme on September 29th 2008, 13:35

QUOTE (harleydaddy67 @ Aug 12 2008, 07:19 AM) Who likes to combine bdsm and beastiality? as a submissive im heavily into bdsm but as yet only curious re bf activities i guess .... but yes this combination is on many bdsm checklists nowdays so i 'assume' many more people are doing it or maybe considering it ...xo

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Posted by subLena on September 30th 2008, 6:25

I am a 24/7 sub to my Lady and I am also our dog's bitch with Her permission. It is a very submissive thing to mate with him though.

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Posted by harleydaddy67 on October 21st 2008, 2:42

QUOTE (subLena @ Sep 30 2008, 05:25 AM) I am a 24/7 sub to my Lady and I am also our dog's bitch with Her permission. It is a very submissive thing to mate with him though. i would love to hear more!!

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Posted by blueyed666 on October 21st 2008, 21:33

We too share a D/S relationship. Private play parties that we attend truly do not offer a venue for this. However, in more private conversations with others that we meet / know at these parties, the topic Does come up once in awhile. Not overtly, but by innuendo. I'm fairly certain that a percentage of them do engage in k9 sex as part of the lifestyle, but it is such a taboo subject that they do not want to chance outing themselves. Such a pity really. We would jump at the chance to share this type of activity in a play session with others. We already share the D/S part, whipping, bondage, humiation etc with these people. The Power Exchange is incredible. What another wonderful way this would be for a submissive to show how far she will go to please her Dominant.Another aspect for the sub is that since she is being commanded to perform, it relieves her of the guilt and allows her to enjoy something she already wanted to do.Just our take on it.R & L

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Posted by curioussub on October 21st 2008, 22:02

As the top in our relationship I love to see her tied down or suspended. I love to be able to mix the pleasure and mild pain in a way to induce intense multiple forced orgasms. I now want to experience the sub side. To be bound and bred by a large dog. To give up the control i always have and surrender to a primal need to mate, to knot, to be taken and posessed.

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Posted by K9Master on October 22nd 2008, 5:20

<Disable lurking/cloaking>I have quite a bit of exposure to this topic (as implied by My handle) as a seeking DaddyMaster whose more extreme interests include but are not limited to K9, so I'd like to just second some others' thoughts, and add USD$.02 of My own (my apologies in advance for any non-attribution):- There are "sub-cultures" within what I would holistically call the collective "kink community". I like the way that Harley introduced the topic; I should only clarify that, nowadays, when one states "BDSM", they often refer to the collective kink community, as opposed to any sub-culture within it. I will therefore not be surprised to see a wide range of responses on this topic from BF members who would consider themselves members of the broader kink community. IMHO, this is likely because, if given a list of sub-cultures, and asked to select which one(s) they would most likely align themselves with, you would get a wide range of varied responses (excepting the zoophile/bestiality sub-culture, of course).[An aside: before I receive any flames... Yes, I know that, within our sub-culture, we know that there's a HUGE difference between bestiality and zoophilia (although related, they are not one and the same, and - for at least a few people - can even be mutually exclusive). However, within the holistic/omnibus kink community, they tend to be "lumped" together (unfortunate, but true)...]- In My experience/ exposure, at least 95% of females within the kink community are submissives, not slaves - regardless of how they may advertise themselves otherwise. For Me, this distinction implies that they have at least "short lists" of things they refuse do under any circumstance.- At least 80% of the before-described 95% have on their short-list of limits either [a] bestiality explicitly, or [b] anything illegal (bestiality is illegal in the majority of U.S. States). Same end-result (from my perspective), in either case. - IMHO, one's mileage may/will vary when attempting to broach the subject of bestiality within a BDSM and/or kink-community web site, with the primary determining factor being which sub-culture(s) the given web site attempts to cater to. I posit that posting such an inquiry to any "omnibus kink" web site (which attempt to be all-inclusive of all sub-cultures - CollarMe, Alt, and Bondage (all .Com...) come immediately to mind, but I know there are others...), will solicit a largely negative response. Posting the same question to a smaller, "niche-oriented", sub-culture-specific web site, however, (only one example being one specializing in true Master/slave, 24/7 Total Power Exchange (TPE) relationships - SlaveFarm, for example) will generally solicit more positive responses - at least, relatively speaking.- In My exposure/ experience, only the most profound/extreme of submissives, and most true slaves (again, regardless of how they advertise themselves) - the latter being especially exceptionally rare - are open to the possibility of including bestiality within an otherwise kink-oriented (D/S, DD, S/M, Bondage, other kink, etc...) relationship.- Personally, as a DaddyMaster (not Dominant) for whom bestiality is not the only personal interested that is "frowned upon by the vast majority of the 'BDSM' (read: omnibus kink) community", I can say that finding compatible "other halves" is extremely difficult, even if the search is global.["We now interrupt this program for the following shameless plug..."] - I'm accepting applications for ladies who are (interested in becoming) 24/7 TPE daughterslaves without limits, so feel free to "apply within" (via private message) if interested... LOL! ["We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress..."]- Men are not the only "game players" within the kink community, either: a non-trivial % of women who advertise (or respond with interest to a similar inquiry on a Male Dom's part) interest in such "extremities/ perversions" (as viewed by the broader kink community) typically are either [a] women who seek to get their jollies on-line exclusively (yes, they're out there - a non-trivial % of them are married, with such on-line play a manifestation of their fantasy life, at the expense of unwitting men...) or [b] are men masquerading on-line as women (have never seen the point in that, but oh well: what can you do?).My apologies again if I'm only parroting points already made... But perhaps that's only because My views match those of others here... Harley, please accept My gratitude for bringing up this subject... If you are also seeking someone compatible: Best of success to you! - K9MasterP.S. Donna, EV (EnigmaticVixen), OGs_subgirl, and subfemme... You all are so hot... LOL! Thanks for being willing to "speak up" and lend a female voice to the subject, as you are all definitely within the (IMHO, more attractive) minority! P.P.S. to EV: My most humble of apologies for whenever I think of the whole "femdom/malesub" thing - the Alpha Male in Me shudders in revulsion... However, please don't misinterpret that as disrespect for relevant practitioners. If you can pull it off (and it sounds like you have...), more power to you... Also, presuming that you see yourself as Dominant to all Human Males, I can (perversely) empathize with your desire to submit to Male K9s... And talk about the ultimate humiliation for any male sub you are in a relationship with - from a D/s perspective (at least), you rock! ... Nice bod, too, BTW... But I know I'm far from the first to have so commented... <Re-Enable lurking/cloaking>

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Posted by wanabeTrainer on October 23rd 2008, 6:41

What to add?I think the two can make very nice combination (no experience in beast/zoo though), and i especially like the idea in a D/s situation. However, i can imagine that some zoofiles find this combo kind of offending.

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Posted by harleydaddy67 on October 24th 2008, 23:17

thank you to every one who has and will respond to is thread. i haven't felt presecuted by any responces like on other forums. k9master you pretty much said it all, thanks

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Posted by maremuffer on October 26th 2008, 12:17

NOT ME

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Posted by bbygrlchrissy89 on October 29th 2008, 4:34

For a while now I've been fantasizing about being with my boy, but I haven't gotten up the courage to. I practically obsess about it, though I get hung up in that I can't figure out what is holding me back. Maybe I'm scared I'll enjoy it too much, maybe something else.I've had fantasies for a long time about being tied up or tied down and forced to give oral, to swallow, or to be taken by my boy, or all, maybe repeatedly for as long as it pleases him. Sometimes I think that it is the only way that it will happen, or that it would be the best way the first time. There is something so erotic about the thought of no going back, about being bound and being forced to be so submissive and to give myself up to him, to please him completely, to let him have his way with me with no way to resist. To be completely and utterly raped when, where, and however HE desires. To be made his completely, to be bred and made his bitch in every sense of the word. To have no control. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think BD would go great with the whole submission side that accompanies that idea. I don't know. Maybe I'm still confused a little and am trying to share my thoughts.Just my humble two cents. Hope I didn't offend anyone.

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Posted by ZZferret on October 29th 2008, 6:07

Well Chrissy, from numerous chats I've had with girls in this forum you are by no means alone in your desires. I am into Domination and all that implies. The idea of being tied to a proper bitch bench is a good one too. I have seen one of these advertised for sale but it was not here or even in this country. I am sure the person selling would have been shocked if he/she found out that it could be used for human bitches too. One day I hope to have a place where I and any young ladies I come into contact with can indulge in their fantasies. Who knows, perhaps I'll even have a go at making such a device. If that does happen Chrissy I will invite you to come visit and try it out !

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Posted by harleydaddy67 on October 29th 2008, 22:22

QUOTE (bbygrlchrissy89 @ Oct 29 2008, 04:34 AM) For a while now I've been fantasizing about being with my boy, but I haven't gotten up the courage to. I practically obsess about it, though I get hung up in that I can't figure out what is holding me back. Maybe I'm scared I'll enjoy it too much, maybe something else.I've had fantasies for a long time about being tied up or tied down and forced to give oral, to swallow, or to be taken by my boy, or all, maybe repeatedly for as long as it pleases him. Sometimes I think that it is the only way that it will happen, or that it would be the best way the first time. There is something so erotic about the thought of no going back, about being bound and being forced to be so submissive and to give myself up to him, to please him completely, to let him have his way with me with no way to resist. To be completely and utterly raped when, where, and however HE desires. To be made his completely, to be bred and made his bitch in every sense of the word. To have no control. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think BD would go great with the whole submission side that accompanies that idea. I don't know. Maybe I'm still confused a little and am trying to share my thoughts.Just my humble two cents. Hope I didn't offend anyone. wow thank you for sharing, sure got my attention!

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Posted by tiedntaken on October 31st 2008, 19:21

I would have to agree that the two worlds coming together hold a world of possibilities. In general, I have also found that it is a small niche within the BDSM community that are open to (at least willing to admit it to the masses) the idea. When a thread was started on one of the forums I belong to, the flame war that resulted was eye opening. As a result, most of us tend to find a different outlet to discuss this interest.As a submissive who is k9 intrigued, my mind often wanders rampantly on situations to be put in. I do think that there is a part of me that although acknowledges the curiosity, the idea of stepping into reality comes from a D/s mindset. To acknowledge that I have given over so much control that I will submit to whatever he desires to see me take speaks to my core. For me it doesn't just come from a wantonness or revelry in doing what I might enjoy. I have a strong feeling that I would enjoy it once I tried it. Aside from the power exchange element, this can also be an opportunity for humiliation play. Even though the Dom approves of the actions of his sub being mounted, during a scene he can play up on all of the fears and hesitations. I can think of nothing more intense than my Dom restraining me in position while having a powerful dog claim his own dominance over me. In my fantasies, this happens often. One of my strongest ones is where I am not only in that position but on display for men to witness just how much control my Dom has over me. Not only to deal with the humiliation in private, but to be unable to hide from the eyes of those that are encouraging it. To be bound on all fours and knotted until he and they have seen their fill and only then be released. I am uncollared at this time, but with the right Dom this is high on the list of scenes I would want to be the center of.

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Posted by DoggyStyle57 on October 31st 2008, 19:39

As fantasy material for online roleplaying, I've set several scenes that combined Bondage and Beastiality. Some of my characters are dom, and some are subbie. Being bound to a "breeding stand" and serviced by a lot of male dogs is an intriguing fantasy, either with me on the stand, or with one of my subs there and me watching.In real life, I don't do bdsm, so haven't combined it with my actual zoo play.

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Posted by harleydaddy67 on November 15th 2008, 15:15

QUOTE (tiedntaken @ Oct 31 2008, 07:21 PM) I would have to agree that the two worlds coming together hold a world of possibilities. In general, I have also found that it is a small niche within the BDSM community that are open to (at least willing to admit it to the masses) the idea. When a thread was started on one of the forums I belong to, the flame war that resulted was eye opening. As a result, most of us tend to find a different outlet to discuss this interest.As a submissive who is k9 intrigued, my mind often wanders rampantly on situations to be put in. I do think that there is a part of me that although acknowledges the curiosity, the idea of stepping into reality comes from a D/s mindset. To acknowledge that I have given over so much control that I will submit to whatever he desires to see me take speaks to my core. For me it doesn't just come from a wantonness or revelry in doing what I might enjoy. I have a strong feeling that I would enjoy it once I tried it. Aside from the power exchange element, this can also be an opportunity for humiliation play. Even though the Dom approves of the actions of his sub being mounted, during a scene he can play up on all of the fears and hesitations. I can think of nothing more intense than my Dom restraining me in position while having a powerful dog claim his own dominance over me. In my fantasies, this happens often. One of my strongest ones is where I am not only in that position but on display for men to witness just how much control my Dom has over me. Not only to deal with the humiliation in private, but to be unable to hide from the eyes of those that are encouraging it. To be bound on all fours and knotted until he and they have seen their fill and only then be released. I am uncollared at this time, but with the right Dom this is high on the list of scenes I would want to be the center of. yes! that would make for a wonderful scene

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Posted by hollandsexy on June 22nd 2010, 20:22

i'm also a sub (most of the time), and this angle of it is what i think attracts me to k9 sex the most. i wouldn't say i find dogs sexy like i find men and women, but the thought of being so humiliated, so degraded, and being made the bitch f even an animal... well.. :">

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Posted by wet_lesbo_lover on June 23rd 2010, 9:21

a girl friend of mine is very into bondage, every time we mess around one of us is in handcuffs and gagged and it's always great. Not too long after I got her involved with dogs, she started mixing bondage and animals and I would have to say that it really did make it more fun, the part about bein hog tied on your back to coffee table while a large dog rails and knots with you is just amazing

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Posted by missmarla39 on June 23rd 2010, 16:02

OMG... this is soooo hot. I have many fantasy's of being a total bitch to my dog (Master) and used totally for his satisfaction. I a. very submissive and lived most of my life in the bdsm lifestyle and I think K9 fits in perfectly. I can't wait to hear more thoughts and scenarios because once they are in my head I can't seem to get them out !!

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Posted by pamela on June 25th 2010, 5:22

i've imagined that a facility could be opened somewhere that combines breeding dogs for sex, bringing in submissives and doms and dommes where people and pets could be matched to meet bdsm desires.

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Posted by myschyfnmayhem on June 25th 2010, 21:47

THAT would be a wild place to visit LOL

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Posted by K9_subgirl on June 25th 2010, 22:41

QUOTE (harleydaddy67 @ Aug 20 2008, 02:54 AM) i find it  a turnon to have a submissive willing to please me to the point of being willing to be bound and mounted by a dog. Exactly. That's my personal take on it also (but from the submissive side of the equation).

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Posted by pamela on June 26th 2010, 2:39

maybe some secret invitation-only convention could be set up to make such arrangements.

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Posted by K2Kelly on June 28th 2010, 18:56

Well the short answer is 95% of all of my experiences be they with myself or others regarding bestiality have been during BDSM, M/s, etc. types of interaction.Now that needs a bit of clarification to be honest. For me personally it would be roughly 99% during a BDSM type of situation, though unfortunately NOT consentual at the time a forced bought and sold slave (real slave, like terminally disposable) or imprisoned in 3rd world countries, subsequent to that time in a few very low buget porn films where BDSM & Bestiality were the themes, and finally of choice in that it just seemed to work out that way.The other 1% would be the times I've recounted in my stories here....However to be fair, during those times in retrospect I end up taking on a very submissive mindset, one that you could say is a self imposed state..............As to others who I've helped, I'd say perhaps 90% of the time there is some form of BDSM involved, or at the very least a dominant and submissive aspect placing it right in line. Very rarely has ever been "vanilla".What I suspect the reason is in brief would be "you go with what you know". Though to be frank I believe for many it boils down to the ability to "submit" to something you may desire, and the BDSM the excuse to allow yourself to enjoy it. Not forced yet kinda sorta maybe due to conditions you yourself deliberately set up to not say no. For some I'd guess it's the aspect of doing something very taboo hence in contrast adding to the BDSM aspect contrary to the above of using BDSM to enhance the bestiality aspect.However, when I fantasize about it (which is odd in that Bestiality is not a common aspect of my life, yet I masurbate to thoughts of it often), it strikes me that I always imagine being forced, reluctant, or at best seduced. Even when imagining myself as the instigator, it always ends up where it is a bit more then I expected (in the fantasy) and ultimately submitting to it.In the end, though it makes for a full and rich sex life now, I suspect those that I wish had the least impact on my life had the most, accomplishing their goals, the conditioning unbreakable.......For good or bad, just how it is.K2

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Posted by pamela on June 28th 2010, 21:09

QUOTE (K2Kelly @ Jun 28 2010, 05:56 PM) Well the short answer is 95% of all of my experiences be they with myself or others regarding bestiality have been during BDSM, M/s, etc. types of interaction.Now that needs a bit of clarification to be honest. For me personally it would be roughly 99% during a BDSM type of situation, though unfortunately NOT consentual at the time a forced bought and sold slave (real slave, like terminally disposable) or imprisoned in 3rd world countries, subsequent to that time in a few very low buget porn films where BDSM & Bestiality were the themes, and finally of choice in that it just seemed to work out that way.The other 1% would be the times I've recounted in my stories here....However to be fair, during those times in retrospect I end up taking on a very submissive mindset, one that you could say is a self imposed state..............As to others who I've helped, I'd say perhaps 90% of the time there is some form of BDSM involved, or at the very least a dominant and submissive aspect placing it right in line. Very rarely has ever been "vanilla".What I suspect the reason is in brief would be "you go with what you know". Though to be frank I believe for many it boils down to the ability to "submit" to something you may desire, and the BDSM the excuse to allow yourself to enjoy it. Not forced yet kinda sorta maybe due to conditions you yourself deliberately set up to not say no. For some I'd guess it's the aspect of doing something very taboo hence in contrast adding to the BDSM aspect contrary to the above of using BDSM to enhance the bestiality aspect.However, when I fantasize about it (which is odd in that Bestiality is not a common aspect of my life, yet I masurbate to thoughts of it often), it strikes me that I always imagine being forced, reluctant, or at best seduced. Even when imagining myself as the instigator, it always ends up where it is a bit more then I expected (in the fantasy) and ultimately submitting to it.In the end, though it makes for a full and rich sex life now, I suspect those that I wish had the least impact on my life had the most, accomplishing their goals, the conditioning unbreakable.......For good or bad, just how it is.K2 i agree. forced slavery is awful

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Posted by picardtim24 on June 29th 2010, 12:16

i would say that just letting a male k9 knot with you is a very submissive act to begin with. you are his until he is done with you.i would of course be up for a little bondage thrown into the mix though. perhaps maybe a little bit of a surprise since i won't be able to see anything behind me.

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Posted by MykelO on June 30th 2010, 15:06

QUOTE (blueyed666 @ Oct 21 2008, 08:33 PM)We too share a D/S relationship.Private play parties that we attend truly do not offer a venue for this. However, in more private conversations with others that we meet / know at these parties, the topic Does come up once in awhile. Not overtly, but by innuendo. I'm fairly certain that a percentage of them do engage in k9 sex as part of the lifestyle, but it is such a taboo subject that they do not want to chance outing themselves.Such a pity really. We would jump at the chance to share this type of activity in a play session with others. We already share the D/S part, whipping, bondage, humiation etc with these people. The Power Exchange is incredible. What another wonderful way this would be for a submissive to show how far she will go to please her Dominant.Another aspect for the sub is that since she is being commanded to perform, it relieves her of the guilt and allows her to enjoy something she already wanted to do.Just our take on it.R & LThis quote, in every aspect, pretty well sums up our feelings about this whole area.We are M Dom, and P a delicious sub who delights in pleasing, offering herself for use, pain, bondage, sex, etc. as a means of showing how devoted she is. In this position M takes all the blame and P is simply a blameless obedient partner. We would love others to join us and have room in our household to take care of strays of all types as we are extremely Poly minded and feel that our sexuality is something that is expanded upon and heightened by sharing it with others.If you are looking for refuge we are a safe haven. If you are looking for friends that do not judge our arms, and legs, are open to welcome you.Our tastes are wide, our interests catholic, our manners impeccable, our sense of fun legendary and our welcome all embracing.ANYONE with a caring, sharing hart is welcome to find shelter with us as part of our family for as long or as little as they feel appropriate.M & P xxx

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Posted by pamela on June 30th 2010, 15:34

alas, i am in Canada

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Posted by doggiesmate on July 1st 2010, 6:04

Well, I of course combine the two. There's just something about giving up and being treated like a dirty slut. I mean I'm kind of a big guy, I'm just about 6 foot 1 and I'm not saying I'm Hulk Hogan, but I've been working out for a long time, and I mean I played defensive line in high school, take into account it was a private school, so I"m not that big either, but I'm about 200 pounds, not that much fat. So considering, I'm that kind of guy in public, it just feels amazing to get home, and be controlled by everyone, I am lower than dirt. They use me however they please, it is an unbelievable turn on. That they just come up behind me, push me down and then fuck me silly is amazing.

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Posted by Urotsakidoji on July 2nd 2010, 1:08

I too work it in with BDSM most often. Most of the time bondage is the precursor to the overall scene. It doesn't get more primal or animalistic than to have my submissive give all of herself for my pleasure. It takes her to a total special mental state of mind to be taken in such a manner. The power exchange is an incredible rush for the both of us.

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Posted by Zoo Cuckold on July 10th 2010, 1:30

I have no experience with Zoo but I do have experience with BDSM. If I found the right woman I'd love to build her a breeding rack and let a dog breed her while she is restrained in it. That would be beyond hot!!!

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Posted by pamela on July 10th 2010, 2:37

being placed on a breeding rack at the mercy of a pack of dogs would be heavenly

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Posted by AnalxLover on July 12th 2010, 2:02

I would love to mix the two, as I am pretty dominant.I find it amusing that Doms/Dommes and subs can partake in scat play, but whenever someone brings up the topic of bestiality, they are pretty much the pariah since bestiality is so much more taboo than someone eating scat...

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Posted by pamela on July 12th 2010, 3:36

scatplay would not be for me

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Posted by ZZferret on July 12th 2010, 10:59

So Pamela, tied to a breeding bench appeals to you ? When I get myself settled at my new place I intend building one. Maybe you should visit me ? Smiles ...

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Posted by pamela on July 12th 2010, 13:21

QUOTE (ZZferret @ Jul 12 2010, 09:59 AM) So Pamela, tied to a breeding bench appeals to you ? When I get myself settled at my new place I intend building one. Maybe you should visit me ? Smiles ... maybe i should. we would all enjoy ourselves

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Posted by AnalxLover on July 12th 2010, 21:45

QUOTE (pamela @ Jul 11 2010, 07:36 PM)scatplay would not be for meMy point exactly. :]Both are taboo, but to me scatplay is a little more taboo then bestiality.

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Posted by pamela on July 13th 2010, 4:30

QUOTE (AnalxLover @ Jul 12 2010, 08:45 PM) QUOTE (pamela @ Jul 11 2010, 07:36 PM)scatplay would not be for meMy point exactly. :]Both are taboo, but to me scatplay is a little more taboo then bestiality. plus it is not safe health-wise

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Posted by AnalxLover on July 15th 2010, 2:43

QUOTE (pamela @ Jul 12 2010, 08:30 PM)plus it is not safe health-wiseExactly. So Bestiality and BDSM could go very well together. :]I know some submissives off this site (not naming them, of course) that have confessed to me that they like to watch beasty videos. So it is already in the BDSM community, just not many people talk about it openly because it is viewed as "too taboo". There is a BDSM site with my point exactly. They say you absolutely cannot talk about bestiality experiences and things like that. So I guess it just depends on where you go.

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Posted by pamela on July 15th 2010, 4:22

QUOTE (AnalxLover @ Jul 15 2010, 01:43 AM) QUOTE (pamela @ Jul 12 2010, 08:30 PM)plus it is not safe health-wiseExactly. So Bestiality and BDSM could go very well together. :]I know some submissives off this site (not naming them, of course) that have confessed to me that they like to watch beasty videos. So it is already in the BDSM community, just not many people talk about it openly because it is viewed as "too taboo". There is a BDSM site with my point exactly. They say you absolutely cannot talk about bestiality experiences and things like that. So I guess it just depends on where you go. i'm not sure why people in the community would want to separate it, especially as it is a good fit.

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Posted by AnalxLover on July 15th 2010, 4:29

QUOTE (pamela @ Jul 14 2010, 08:22 PM)i'm not sure why people in the community would want to separate it, especially as it is a good fit.Probably because most people were brought up that animals are friends, not lovers. Therefore it is a hard limit for them.

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Posted by K2Kelly on July 15th 2010, 8:42

Well, it's all a bit more complex then that...First off regarding "scat", that really boils down to two things. Either an absolutely extreme fetish inspired by a very, very immature time in someones life (one that psychologists have a field day with...it so extreme it will get one institutionalized), or quite frankly such an outrageous desire to either degrade yourself or someone else that all aspects of "sexuality" are totally lost. It may excite a rare few, yet it's really not what is happening as much as that someone is doing something so extreme.The only reason I spend any time on discussing that is basically it is either a fetish, or a very destructive form of domination/submission (which will have a point) and for every single person into such, really into it not just getting off on the shock factor, there are easily I'd bet 1,000 into bestiality to whatever degree and for most/many it not simply a fetish, and for those that do even in the BDSM sphere not just to degrade.So they're really two very radically different aspects. Apples and oranges......However, to the layman, they would seem as though they would both apply which they don't. BDSM in general really on its own has nothing to do with fetishes. That's not saying that people do not incorporate their fetishes into it which most do, yet fetishes by their very nature are very personal things. To everyone except the one having the fetish they may mean absolutly nothing even often being repulsive. Yet to that person they inspire very strong physical and mostly mental and emotional reactions.............So it would be natural for someone say into scat as a "fetish" to very likely see no connection to bestiality, and they'd be right, just as the converse view is true.As to both being used for degradation well it's like comparing an atom bomb to a hand grenade......More so in the regard that bestiality though it may be used or intended for such, in truth it is so much more for both parties wherein scat is simply finally reaching a point of desperately grasping for more and more.....and be sure many taking that step from a degradation aspect will progress to even more destructive things (mutilation....death).Past that I'll not discuss scat, it's something the very few I've heard truly into it I suggest get some serious help.As to BDSM and bestiality however.........BDSM like all aspects of sexuality, in fact as our lives should be, is a very personal thing for all involved. Be it the dominant wanting to witness something or more often the point press another to experience something positive though often negative perceived means, or the submissive wanting to test and stretch limits, expand their horizons relieved of the mental responsibility "openly" having given up the choice (though always having it privately)....it is always in the end a very personal thing as are the choices.Bestiality for most/many is NOT their thing. Therefor, it does NOT apply to their concepts and desires regarding BDSM. Contrary to what most would imagine, a healthy BDSM relationship is NOT about exceeding limits "just because". Such mindsets or relationships are extremely destructive, most of all because the only possible ends are quit, or death as it always takes more to one up the last.However, for those already into Bestiality, those having a desire for it, and those very rare few having a fetish for it (though fetish really doesn't apply directly yet can if you do a long dance as to "whys"), bestiality fits in very nicely as a tool of the game as much as any rope, whip or leather outfit.It alows one to test limits, yet still remain in the realm of wants.....However someone having no desire for it would be equal to the average non-BDSM lifestyle Zoo experiencing being whipped while engaged with their animal of choice.Finally, many people view their pets as they would a member of the family or child......So stating for them to embrace bestiality into their BDSM would be equivalent to stating incest or pedophilia should be accepted by them just because it is extreme and taboo.BDSM unlike most other sexual venues which should embrace the attitude is 90% of the time a very personal and focussed exploration of alternative sexual fulfillment.......the other 10% either grasping or malicious.Yet for Bestiality to apply to BDSM and visa versa you must have a desire for both.......If not the other will be absolutly unthinkable.K2

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Posted by xpuppyslutx on July 15th 2010, 14:40

I'm a 24/7 submissive, and one of my favorite things to do is lock myself in my cage with the dogs. I just love feeling so trapped and helpless.

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Posted by rexrex1 on July 25th 2010, 9:26

A very interesting topic, How many of you have seen C**rry R**el an older vid about a girls first time with a dog where she wants to be restrained and mounted.The premise is exciting enough and she is bound to a low heavy wooden table with her knees on pillows on the floor with a spreader bar attached to her ankles, her torso is on the table with staps securing both thighs to the table legs and another strap around her waist and the table then her hands are restained around and under the table so that there is no way for her to move except to turn her head and a little shoulder turn from one side to the other. The problem comes when the rottie is led in to mount the willing but restained girl.He is unsure of what he should do and ultimately needs to be lifted onto her and guided into her. I was so looking forward to him just mounting her and penetrating her maybe a couple of times and then knotting with her. She later takes him without any restaints and seems to enjoy the dog a great deal.I was just thinking that if someone were to make a breeding table of sorts that was built to restrain a woman in the doggy style position and was on wheels, very low wheels, then when the dog was inroduced into the scene she could be moved (pulled ahead of him) by means of cords attached to the restraining device to stimulate the chase reponse in the dog and he would then mount and breed with her as naturaly as if she were a bitch in heat. I've got the designs already made for a comfortable adjustable restraint devise that a willing person could be retrained in by their significant other, but I need a fabricator to help with the prototype. I'm not sure if there is much of a market for such a fun toy, so I thought I'd just put it out there and see what kind of response I get. Let your imagination flow.When I read that the girl was thinking that, if she was restrained then it would enhance her excitement and she would not have to feel like she should have stopped or resisted in some way and could enjoy the experience much more, I thought maybe this is just what she needs. Anyway maybe you guys can tell me what you think. Hope this is in the right place and I haven't stepped on any toes.Cool topic, submissive, bound for pleasure.

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Posted by picardtim24 on July 25th 2010, 10:59

hey i am all for that

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Posted by zveroboy on July 25th 2010, 12:40

i dont like bdsm. i think is it hot enough to see a woman get fucked doggystyle and hard by a dog. this natural thing, the wild act of this breeding turns me on and is enough for me.

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Posted by biknotgrl on October 26th 2010, 19:16

I think they go together perfectly. To me there is something very submissive being mated in the first place. To give oneself in that way seems to me very subbie. In a way, he would own me while we are tied. He is in control. And thatís to say nothing about pleasing oneís Domme by submitting to their wishes in that way.

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Posted by mack500 on October 27th 2010, 1:36

The thought of a little bondage with zoo has crossed my mind a few times. I would be willing to mix them, provided I know the person doing the bondage very well.

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Posted by shadielanecouple on November 2nd 2010, 2:30

This is a very interesting topic. Glad it was started, and liked reading all the comments.

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Posted by wallach on November 2nd 2010, 18:05

QUOTE (harleydaddy67 @ Aug 12 2008, 07:19 AM) Who likes to combine bdsm and beastiality? er....Alan strang in the peter shaffer play equus(yes, I know, he ripped apart the prads for he was scred of their all-seeing eyes-but that was the closest I could find)

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Posted by ponycockluver on November 4th 2010, 14:43

I have never experianced it but have VERY OFTEN fantasized BDSM and zoo combined together. I am a submissive male and would really love the idea of being put in bondage and while helpless in restraint to be FORCED to lick and suck a hard horse or pony cock. I consider myself to be str8 with humans,but gay for a horse or pony. Just the thought of being helpless and having someone (someone who can be trusted that is) shoving a horse or pony cock if front of my face and ordering me to start licking and sucking te animal.s cock makes me hot.

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Posted by littlepet on November 4th 2010, 16:30

Not in to BDSM but would love to try it one day My fanstary is to be kiddnap an taken to a dog kennel an turn into a human dog for all the male dog to use. One think I love is to depthorat them too an try to take knot in my mouth. Would love to feel my mouth knot an lock to him till he finish use me.

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Posted by maturemissy on November 7th 2010, 22:01

i have been k9 active for many years now and active in bdsm about the same amount of years. my partner got me active in both. we have just recently been combining the 2 tho. the bdsm thing is something we just did from time to time but now are roles are more defined as i am submissive and she is dominate. were playing more often now doing darker and darker things i guess you could say so it came natural to combine the 2 sometimes since k9 has always been a big part of our relationship. our boy is our lover and the man in the house after all.

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Posted by ponycockluver on November 18th 2010, 4:21

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Posted by silkythighs on November 23rd 2010, 1:04

Seeing a woman mounted by a dog while wearing a dog collar along with other bondage apparel, could be quite arousing to many, me included. That's about as far a my interest in the two go.

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Posted by Kaitekay77 on November 23rd 2010, 1:57

The mental aspect of BDSM is the one has no control, and must submit. So the person to a degree wants what happens, to be taken in ways, subjected to, or forced to do, things can not, or will not go willingly allow freely by themselves.Add the Beast Factor, a dog, to mount them, then it follows that animal sex is acceptable, even if was not their free choice, but part of the will of another, Most BDSM partners have some limits understood. Its just a mental game always to be played on themselves to get what they deeply desires, but are afarid of.Many woman have rape fantanzies, me included. Adding a dog to the act, for most, and me for certain, would be hot. I can just feel myself bound with mys ass up, legs spread, the panting hot breath behind, what a rush,,,,, I am a sexual creature, so almost all sex is good for me.HugsKate

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Posted by JanusLupus on November 23rd 2010, 20:51

I was going to post a thorough exposition of my Thoughts...then read the last post.I can only concurr with Kaitekay. Also, are you psychic? Sounds corny, but you read my mind

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Posted by lexxistray on November 24th 2010, 15:33

Not really into BDSM at all. I've known some people who were, but I don't like to inflict pain on anyone else, even if they actually do want it. And while I would love the fantasy of being forced to let a dog fuck me, it wouldn't really be force since that's actually what I want and have no qualms about that. Being forced to let dog after dog take me? That I would be into, but as soon as pain or anything gets involved I'm out.

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Posted by curious1looking on November 25th 2010, 2:21

BDSM covers a huge range of activities from the very light (no pain) to the very extreme.Ironically enough though I've always found in my years in the BDSM world prior to joining BF, that very few seem to have an interest in both and even the most hard core BDSMers regard animal sex as a complete no go. Ideally I would love to incorporate some of my BDSM interests such as collars, leads, restraints, puppy girl play but finding someone who shares all my interests (those and more and dogs) is very difficult.I live in hope!

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Posted by beasty73 on November 27th 2010, 22:26

BDSM has never been my thing really, but I have sometimes wondered if I would have a higher likelihood of finding a human partner to share my lifestyle with from that community. Where else would you find a segment of society that is considered an extreme fringe? BDSM has a well established community that is boldly open and out there. The two do not blend well together in my mind except in certain circumstances. It's like Zoos are nature lovers out in the countryside who want to run naked through the woods and BDSM people are the Urban folks who want to be chained to a Street light and humiliated. So does that mean the people who would bridge the two are Suburbanites?

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Posted by grumpygoat on November 27th 2010, 23:10

I'm not into pain, or humiliation, or anything like that myself. I don't personally know anyone like that either that I know of. I don't even like it when I get stepped on, or a horse reaches back and bites me on the butt.Nope; in the end everyone should be happy and gotten what they wanted out of the deal for me. If it was up to me no one would ever even feel bad; if I could totally help it.But I'm a softy, I've been told.

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Posted by biknotgrl on November 28th 2010, 2:43

QUOTE (Kaitekay77 @ Nov 22 2010, 08:57 PM) The mental aspect of BDSM is the one has no control, and must submit. So the person to a degree wants what happens, to be taken in ways, subjected to, or forced to do, things can not, or will not go willingly allow freely by themselves.Add the Beast Factor, a dog, to mount them, then it follows that animal sex is acceptable, even if was not their free choice, but part of the will of another, Most BDSM partners have some limits understood. Its just a mental game always to be played on themselves to get what they deeply desires, but are afarid of.Many woman have rape fantanzies, me included. Adding a dog to the act, for most, and me for certain, would be hot. I can just feel myself bound with mys ass up, legs spread, the panting hot breath behind, what a rush,,,,, I am a sexual creature, so almost all sex is good for me.HugsKate Exactly!

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Posted by MykelO on November 28th 2010, 12:12

QUOTE (curious1looking @ Nov 25 2010, 02:21 AM) BDSM covers a huge range of activities from the very light (no pain) to the very extreme.Ironically enough though I've always found in my years in the BDSM world prior to joining BF, that very few seem to have an interest in both and even the most hard core BDSMers regard animal sex as a complete no go. Ideally I would love to incorporate some of my BDSM interests such as collars, leads, restraints, puppy girl play but finding someone who shares all my interests (those and more and dogs) is very difficult.I live in hope! Curious1, you are so right. BDSMers are often very closed in their choices and sneer at other aspects of consensual sexuality outside of their particular fetishes.It is so difficult to find people with a catholic (note lower case C) panoply of desires that they are able to freely share with others. We have great fun looking but often find we are shunned because of our wide, all embracing, spread of interest in most forms of poly sexuality.We are not put off; sometimes very disapointed but forever hopeful. Meanwhile we have great fun together and share many of our desires with others here on BF.Our best, lascivious, wishes to you M & P xxx

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