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Not sure exactly if this belongs here, but I think the information will be relevant for many zoos. I can't link the article, but I'll quote it."Studies have found that spayed or neutered dogs are at increased risks for problems including certain cancers, thyroid disorder, incontinence and some of the same behavior issues that the surgeries are said to prevent."This is from an MSN article and wikipedia has additional data. This information should be taken seriously. If anyone is interested, I can send them the link to the article (I think).
here's the link:click here
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here is the source on effects of neutering:Long term effects
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I can understand nuetering/spaying your pets if you dont keep them in your own yard/house and you're in a populated area...but if you can keep your pets under control, why would you ever want to spay or nueter them in the first place? Especially if you're a zoophile?Spayed females dont have the sex drive that natural females do, and it's harder for them to take a male.Nuetered males also lose a lot of their sex drive and not only do they become ball-less (and face it, who doesnt like playing with their animal's balls?), they also dont produce anything but pre-cum and seminal fluid afterwards... no semen, what's the point?EDIT:I mean... when I owned a male cat, it got spayed because my parents had the decision at the time. They didnt want it spraying.It's unfortunate... giving him oral would have been much better if he could give me a taste of the real stuff
if i were an animal and had my naughty bits lopped off, i'd be ticked off!...if i knew how good sex felt and THEN they removed that feeling forever, that feeling of euphoria?....i'd have to go and kill my owner.... no offense to those who do fix their pets, but i view it as a unessecary thing, unless your fence is too low, or your not keeping an eye on your dog...or it's a medical emergency....you didn't ask them "hey, i don't want you to have sex and make more kitties or puppies, is it ok i take that away from you?...their permission was never given to do such a thing to them, it's kinda like leading them into a trap....
I don't believe I would cut off my best friends' testicles. XD But thank you for this update, rather scary, really. :<
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one thing the first article didn't mention is neutered cats getting urinary issues. I really thought that would be mentioned, as it is a bigger issue than say "noise phobias." cstek, its not all about us not being able to have sex with them. Lack of sex is not a health issue, and most people are not zoophiles, and certainly don't care whether or not their pet cares if they chop off his genitals! But I do agree with both you and zoolove about being able to keep them under control. The fact that many people think spaying/neutering is a required thing to do as a "responsible" pet owner really bothers me. Just keep your animal under control.
exactly.IMO, anyone who cant keep their pets under control doesnt deserve to own any, and that would be most of american society nowdays.
Some people just neuter their pets to 'fix behavior problems', that really ticks me off. We don't neuter prisoners because that'd be cruel and unusual punishment, why would we do it to our faithful companions? I understand the animal population issue, but there are obvious alternatives, such as vasectomy for male dogs and tubal ligation for female dogs. One could at least wait until their dog is sexually mature. The only downfall of these options is that it doesn't 'fix behavior problems'. Perhaps that is the sole reason those practices aren't widespread, which is sick. Now there is evidence that spaying/neutering causes real behavior problems, but people just find those easier to deal with even though they are putting the dog's wellbeing at risk!
QUOTE I understand the animal population issue, but there are obvious alternativesyup. I wrote a paper in a reproduction class on alternatives to neutering. It was very insightful researching for that. The way to fix behavior problems is not to mutilate your friend's genitals. Just train them and teach them how to behave properly.
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The biggest problem with this article is no figures or numbers were given. Even in the wikipedia link and the other source, nothing.For the hemangiosarcoma, it states that neutered males have 2.4 times the risk of unneutered males. But what is the original risk? If its 5% for unneutered animals then it would be a 12% risk. However if my suspicions are right, then the true risk is less than 1% and doubling it would still be statistically insignificant. Hense the reason this study was never published in any peer reviewed sources that I've seen. Which is why MSNBC covers it because their demographic isn't going to pick up on this. Are there bad reasons for neutering and spaying, YES. But this article did a terrible job of illustrating them. First of all, no vet spays or neuters at 4 months. That is way too young and is not worth the complications of working on a such smaller animal. The only ones who do neuter and spay at four months are shelters, because 1. the animals are smaller, so less expenses (less body weight - less dosage to knock them out) and 2. makes them easier to find a home for when they are still young and adopter won't have to shell out money to get it done. All private vets neuter and spay around 6 months of age or older. Its safer, easier and all this nonsense of "aggresion and noisephobia" need not apply because all studies show they are only a factor when done at less than 4 months of age. I myself find spaying to be the only beneficial one of the two because the number of gals I've had to assist being euthanized because of mammary cancer and deaths from pyrometras are easily prevented by spaying. In my experience I've yet to see any prostate or testicular cancers. I have seen a lot of obesity and urinary block in neutered cats. So my current recommendations are for vasectomies on males and spaying after the first heat in females (though not every owner is willing). The cat population is completely out of control and current spay and neuter recommendation should stay in effect. @ Missywolf and others, if I can say one thing. You can be doing everything right as a pet owner (Keeping them locked up while in season, having a fence etc. ) but it only takes one incident when you are away to have a litter of puppies on your hands to now find homes for. I've seen dogs open doors and get out, I've also had fencing destroyed in a storm. My first dog a labrador whose fencing was taken out in a hurricane allowed a yellow lab from across the street to get to her. Finding homes for 8 adorable puppies, is not as easy as one might think. Just because you have your dog trained to stay in the yard doesn't mean your neighbor's dog is or that his dog can jump the fence your dog can't. sorry for the long post everyone.
hehe yeah sometimes though i believe if they think its okay for animals why don't we do it with people. It would make the ones in jail way less aggressive and take away many population control problems. Oh you cant get an erection now you know how poor buddy feels sitting on the porch all day wishing he could f*** the dog next door . I completely dont agree with spaying an neutering if you can control your animal then there is no reason too. Any behaviorial problem can be fixed with time and corrections. And yes who doesn't like playing with their animals balls? But once again its just the world we live in....whats "Accepted" by society lol.
Basset, did you even both to read the entire article on the Long Term affects? Or just the summary in the beginning? (Admittedly, I have a tendency to do the same thing)Here are some of the notable statistics and information from the sourced article;- Osteosarcoma is a common cause of death in medium/large, large, and giant breeds. Osteosarcoma is the third most common cause of death in Golden Retrievers and is even more common in larger breeds. Rottweilers spayed/neutered before one year of age were 3.8 (males) or 3.1 (females) times more likely to develop osteosarcoma than intact dogs. Indeed, the combination of breed risk and early spay/neuter meant that Rottweilers spayed/neutered before one year of age had a 28.4% (males) and 25.1% (females) risk of developing osteosarcoma. These results are consistent with the earlier multi-breed study but have an advantage of assessing risk as a function of age at neuter.-Hemangiosarcoma is a common cancer in dogs. It is a major cause of death in some breeds, such as Salukis, French Bulldogs, Irish Water Spaniels, Flat Coated Retrievers, Golden Retrievers, Boxers, Afghan Hounds, English Setters, Scottish Terriers, Boston Terriers, Bulldogs, and German Shepherd Dogs.In an aged-matched case controlled study, spayed females were found to have a 2.2 times higher risk of splenic hemangiosarcoma compared to intact females. A retrospective study of cardiac hemangiosarcoma risk factors found a >5 times greater risk in spayed female dogs compared to intact female dogs and a 1.6 times higher risk in neutered male dogs compared to intact male dogsWhile 'common' may not be specific enough for you, I'm sure that means it is higher then 1%. Do note, this is for dogs neuter before 1 year of age, not four months. The author of the source article also notes the that the decision wither to spay or not is more complicated for female dogs."The traditional spay/neuter age of six months as well as the modern practice of pediatric spay/neuter appear to predispose dogs to health risks that could otherwise be avoided by waiting until the dog is physically mature, or perhaps in the case of many male dogs, foregoing it altogether unless medically necessary. The balance of long-term health risks and benefits of spay/neuter will vary from one dog to the next. Breed, age, and gender are variables that must be taken into consideration in conjunction with non-medical factors for each individual dog. Across-the-board recommendations for all dogs do not appear to be supportable from findings in the veterinary medical literature."Basically, these articles aren't condoning spaying/neutering, but spay/neuter laws that fine owners who don't or make it illegal to not spay/neuter. It also points out alternatives, such as vasectomy for male dogs and tubal ligation for female dogs.You're sorry for you're long post? Look at mine! Lol
There seems to be a lot more negative things then positive, which kinda makes sense since spaying and neutering is basically taking stuff out of animals that their suppose to have.
doggedlove, yes, JPbasset read the links, he was sitting with me when I read them.
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