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How come is it that people who are against zoo's refer to it as a diseas??I overheard some people talking about beastiality and how people like us are infectious to todays sociaty, when really they probably have had thoughts about it. Well I say "people like us" should be proud to be who we are. When god or the mighty lord or whoever created this world they didn't put any rules or laws on who or what we could love, no he created all creatures equally, so really I feel bad for the people who don't get to enjoy the pleasure and companionship, and intamacy on a whole, deeper level. For some its just a different kind of sex but for me its love and passion. I love my baby gurl just as much as if she was human.
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I suppose some of the extremely negative thinking regarding beastiality and zoophilia goes back to the often quoted verses in the bible that state that if a man and beast lye together, they will both be killed. Sorry but I don't know exactly where in the bible this passage is from, but I believe it is written in the old testament. So this naturally gets religious people all up in arms any time they hear about a fence hopper on a farm. Ironically farms are often located deep within the bible belt. Doesn't that just figure, God fearing religious zealot clashes with zoophile, with a spectacular view of beautiful countryside and lots of animals all around. I'm not absolutely positive of this, and if anyone can shed any light I'd appreciate it, but I have also heard that there's somewhere in the bible where zoophilia is actually condoned, though naturally people against our life style would never point those sections of the bible out.But apart from people's strong religious beliefs, there's this general attitude among those people that don't particularly like animals at all, that animals are unclean, and that a human being that has sex with an animal will end up with some terrible uncurable infectious disease that's even worse than aids. These are the germ freaks, the people that run for the bathroom and wash their faces thoroughly and grab their mouth wash too if a dog starts licking their face. They somehow see animals as being dumb, unclean, and so low on the evolutionary scale that they can't possibly have any feelings and emotions. The scarey thing is that my mother was such a person, and for many years she fed me such ridiculous crap about guide dogs that I didn't get one because I believed her shit, and didn't think they were any good. Yes, it's really unfortunate that there are people in this world that are absolutely closed minded to the joy of animals, even as companions. You ask these people who are often living alone why they don't consider getting a cat or dog and they have a hundred different excuses as to why that would not be a good idea. They smell, they're unclean, they're too expensive, they bark too much, they might bite my grand children, they get into too much trouble if they're not watched, they depend on me too much, I couldn't go on vacation if I owned an animal and the list goes on and on. These people are missing out on one of the most beautiful joys in life, a wonderful relationship with an animal and I'm not even talking about a sexual relationship here, but they don't see it. They don't realize it. I guess there will always be people in society for which animals just don't do a thing for them emotionally, and that's really sad. Anyway, yes, I know how you feel and how frustrating some people's attitudes can be.Shy
what ever floats there boat .i getting older and i dont realy care what people think .im happy, my girl dogs are happy nothing else matters
ive heard some down right horrible things and commends from people, particlaly from members of the RSPCA and other [SPAM], many of there members consider the ask of beastiality to be 'as foul as pedophilia and the punishment should be equal to such'amazing realli how humans like these exsist, 300million sperm and thats the one that gets threw *sighs* and they say ignorance is bliss... animals are not dumb, they are natural and blunt, and arent affraid to let you know exactly how they feel/think, if they do not like somthing they will walk away, if somthing they do not like persists, they ask/retaliate aggressively...cast a thought back to say the 60's and 70's, ignorance had a stranglyhold over homosexuality, those with small minds beleved that s spread AIDS and other faital alements, but not much of that ignorance has faided into just the negative history of human ignorance, prohappes in 30 years the same maybe said for Beastiality, can you imagion a beast-pride parade? loads of fur-suits, animals and there lovers and owners... maybe even seeing humans in collar and leashes being walked by dogs, they would be down right amazing! i also read about laws regarding beastiality, as i recall it is perfectly legal in 32 states of America but over here in the United kingdom you can reseve life imprisonment but heres the intresting part, having sex with your animal is illegal, HOWEVER being taken BY your animal is Legal! little loop-hole for my fellow britains.will the ignorance sease any time soon? im affraid only time can tell... it always does... anyway thats my 2cents on this subject, a 10 for BeastMagicOne for starting this discussion and a 10 for all who have hiven there thoughts on this thus far, i hope more here take the time to add there thoughs.
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QUOTE (armoured-lemming @ Mar 14 2008, 06:53 AM) i also read about laws regarding beastiality, as i recall it is perfectly legal in 32 states of America It's not legal in any state in the US, there are just many states that do not have laws explicitly concerning zoophilia.In such case they won't prosecute for carnality with animals, they'll use the large number of state & federal 'animal cruelty' laws, completely ignoring the fact that removing the animals from their home is more cruel. And during the prosecution process they have the animals euthanized.Ignorance is the rule, not the exception. Ignorance breeds fear, and fear kills.
we are all more or less taught from childhood that in our society "good" sex is when one man and one woman make love (with the lights out and in the missionary position, of course!) and have children.any other kind of sex, we are taught, is "bad" sex; and only "sick" people do those things.my thinking is that usually, the people who scream loudest about how "sick" something is, have quite a large collection of pornography containing the "sick" sex. that way, they can watch how "sick" it is over and over again!
Just a reminder that religious discussion isn't allowed here, it would be advisable to avoid that subject as much as possible.Anyway, people refer to bestiality as a disease for a few reasons. Some people consider it moral decay, others the result of mental illness. Regardless of their reasons against bestiality, it is called a disease when people believe the concept will catch on and "spread" to other people, further tainting an otherwise "normal" society with deviants.QUOTE (armoured-lemming @ Mar 14 2008, 08:53 AM)i also read about laws regarding beastiality, as i recall it is perfectly legal in 32 states of America but over here in the United kingdom you can reseve life imprisonment but heres the intresting part, having sex with your animal is illegal, HOWEVER being taken BY your animal is Legal! little loop-hole for my fellow britains.I don't know what the exact laws are in the UK, but I doubt that's a real loop-hole. The burden of proof rests on whoever initiates and carries through with sexual activity. Humans can easily confess their own consent, but animal consent is only considered valid when they perform a sexual action by their own motivation, without human initiation.
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In the UK the laws (I think?) are regarding penetration, and they do included both penetrating and being penetrated. I really don't think it's wise to rely on "My dog caught me naked, knocked me over and mounted me, officer!" as any kind of defense.I think the reason people think of zoophilia as a disease, is because mental illness can be called 'diseases' by the general populace. eg, depression is a disease of the mind. And 'dysfunctional' paraphilias are listed as mental disorders. Things like homosexuality and body dysmorphism are still in the DSM, in the context that they cause distress or other problems.The thing with zoophilia, like several other 'obscure fetishes', is that the practice of them is illegal or taboo in many places, and so the fetish itself is regarded by many as automatically a mental disorder. This in turn leads to it being regarded as a disease.Not that most of the people calling it a disease will think that deepy into it, but that seems to be some of the unconcious reasoning of the public.Ofc, all the reasoning in the world doesn't make these people any less annoying...
i used to worry, but now i couldnt give a flying f***... i am who i am and if people dont like it then they can go take a running jump......i have a great deal of respect for zoo's and most the people on this forum....all the bestclever-dog
i aint got a clue on the UK laws, all i know is it's illegal and i can get imprisonment for doing so if i get caught, and well, with Jacquline (my lover of 5 years) rescently deceased, i dont think being caught is a problem now.zoo and proud, f**k the haters, and reguarding the laws... i go by this"It is not illegal until you tell somebody or get caught" which in some respects is true
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I've had to listen to plenty of negative zoophile comments....at first they usually enrage me because of the general populations ignorance but then later I realize it's misinformation that causes this ignorance. People also tend to say things because it's what the majority says(bandwagon effect). Just like with homosexuality 20 years ago, people don't want to accept change. I've even had to listen to comments from my own father(he has no idea of course).
No matter what you do someone will hate you
There will always be some people who hate you just for being different. Most of them don't want to understand anything regarding this topic at all. Doesn't make much sense to try to argue with someone who has such a fixed opinion.
This is a good discusson. Fortunatly there exists this forum for people such as myself to communicate with other zoophiles. It is the responsibility of every person that posts here to not step ouside the rules and give cause for the hater of zoophilia to shut us down. I'm certain that there are plenty of people against the lifestyle are just waiting to pounce. As to why we are considered diseased, there are some very good insight into this which has already been presented. I guess that people are just naturally condescending, especially if they consider themselves to be in the majority. When it comes to sex though, there are similarities between all of us - some are closer matches than others - but each and every individual is unique. I don't condemn anyone elses sexual desires, or consider them to be wrong (except when harmfull to your partner if acted upon). Human to human sex is animal sex if you consider humans as just a different kind of animal, as I do. It just so happens that I like male dogs to mount me, but if some man tries to do that, then there might be trouble. A dog wants the pleasure of sex, but most likely the man is about causing me pain, domination, and humiliation; This is ok by me but don't want to participate thank you very much. If a man finds another man that accepts the role under those terms, I'm happy for them, and can't understand why others can't seem to just "live and let live". Just don't get in my face about it though. A dog might cause me pain, and I glady sacrifice for his pleasure, but causing me pain is not his agenda. Humans seem to be the animal that is all about causing pain.
Well.. generally its treated like desease because it its one just like: aids, pedophilia etc etc.. Zoofilia is mental desease that might ocure after you have been molested, beated or bullyed as a child. You all should try to get some help since (too bad) it isnt possible to castrate and hang you sick perverts here today. Personally i cant understand how you can sexually abuse innocent animals that are completely unable to take care of themselves. They are just like children and its bullshit to claim otherwise. Also its really lame to reffer that "god made me thisway so i can fuck innocent animals and children!!!11" If thats correct then im also allowed to beat your faces in with a crowbar since god wouldnt allow me to do it if he didnt wish that to be happen.Well heres my 2cents stacked with positive critisism that you inbred animalbangers wouldnt otherwise get tough im sure that you will also kill this post since i dont approve your dirty perverssions.Also english is not my mother laguage so its not neccessary point out my misspellings.
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Where does anything to do with children come into play with this?????? People like this^^^^^^^^^^^^really make me mad because they make generalizations! Humans are animals too...we came from animals(in my opinion) and making love with an animal is in no way wrong. People only thing negatively about it because it is not in the norm. When change occurs, people become fearful in nature. Why must zoophilia be classified with sick people such as pedophiles and rapists and such? Homosexuality used to be the same way in everyones eyes...now only in some. I love animals and no one will ever take that away from me!!!!!!!!!!!
"if anyone can try and rationalise anything he said, i'd love to hear it"hmmm... It's his opinion and everyone is entitled to their own personal view. I don't happen to agree with anything he says, and what he did say sounds like hate speech to me - but I won't hate him just because HE IS SICK! I feel compassion, empathy, sadness, regret.
Personally life's too damn short to get het up about other people think. There'll be always some reason why someone disapproves of you or your behaviour whatever it is.I can understand why the public at large think as they do as it is generally considered one of the last societal taboos, they know little about it and have a false misconception we are somehow abusing oour animals and being cruel to them when nothing could be further from the truth in most cases .... and I've just spotted the post a few up which proves my point entirely .....
QUOTE (love69dogs)if anyone can try and rationalise anything he said, i'd love to hear it.People who spout arguments based on ignorance and bias tend to use flawed logic. Sometimes you just can't rationalize stupidity.QUOTE (doggycurious69)Where does anything to do with children come into play with this?????? People like this^^^^^^^^^^^^really make me mad because they make generalizations! Humans are animals too...[...]This really isn't the correct way to respond to trolls. To them it's the equivalent of cowering and flailing our arms in futile self defense, and is probably the kind of reaction they expect from us. It's basically sidestepping factual argument for a battle of mere opinion, where the only "winner" is the one who walks away least frustrated.I'm reminded of a few months ago when I was browsing a random forum. I had found a discussion against bestiality/zoophilia, which was started by a few harsh comments. Somehow a zoo found the thread and registered on the forum, and proceeded to give the haters a thorough intellectual beat-down. He posted detailed, logical counter-arguments complete with facts and statistics, and also posted links to articles and studies to back them up.Facts and logic trump ignorant bias every time. It's one thing to tell someone they're an idiot, but it stings a lot more when you have the facts to prove it. Not only did the negative people eventually leave the discussion, but a few neutrals found the discussion interesting and informative, even if they didn't necessarily agree with it.
QUOTE (newdater @ Mar 16 2008, 04:29 AM) No matter what you do someone will hate you This statement is about as simple as it gets!!!!! There are soooo many ignorant out there that believe what their told by ONE person, not MANY people. I am religous, BUT! I do not attend services because I dont believe in going to a building (any religion) (maybe with the exception of budism) were A MAN or WOMAN reads a book written BY MAN and edited by MAN to tell us right from wrong! Then we pay them (donations) so they can drive there new Cadillacs and melest our children. DID YOU KNOW? that in the bible before IT WAS EDITED for modern day that it contained BEASTIALITY!!!! IT also states that (this is not a quote) If your offspring (children) are disobedient that YOU shal end their lives (yes kill you kids because they were bad!)WHO REALLY WROTE THIS BOOK ANYWAY?! POINT being NO MAN/WOMAN is perfect, thats why we learn from one another. many peoples knowledge is much more affective than one persons.now I bring this up because the LAWS are based on what some people beleive is right and wrong, usually these people grew up in a family with HEAVY religous beliefs, they were tought that any sex that is not for making babies (misionary style)is bad. and sex with animals is the work of the devil. then these people get government jobs and make the laws. Now the rights thing worked out (for the most part) racism is still present but better than its ever been. and so on and so forth. I figure we are at a point were we (ZOOs,FURs,YIFFs,etc) can come together and do something about our RIGHTS!NOW I know this will not be easy, BUT if we band together and get all the facts, rules and such worked out. I think we may have leg to stand on.I feel if there were rules , not that much different than human on human lawssuch as:marrage: it should be the same for Human on Human as for human on Beast If there is a genuan bond there then relations should be allowed.abuse: now this one is a BIG one , now I dont beleive in abuse of any type! but as in human on human , if there is demestic abuse there are consequences, this should be the same for human on beast. treat them as a lover/partner health: possible make it nec to have a vets check out to prove no abuse is present .and so on. I am no Laywer but I know we have rights out there and we need to fight for them. HOW many thousands of people (zoos) are on this site alone? I have read that 20% + of the world populus are admited Zoos or Have had animal sexual expeiences. HOW can soo many be wrong? and those are the ones that are open about it. there is probibly something like 30-40% out there that at least are curious about beastialty.I myself have opened the eyes to beastiality to 10+ people and all of them are now hooked or curious. one friend of mine (50 years old) thought he had experienced all there is to know about sex......HE WAS WRONG......HE TO IS AN ADDICT of beastiality now! I could vent forever on this .....but i wont....I would love to fight the government on this for all of us. I would also love to educated the ignorant masses as to how human /beast partnership IS possible! and it DOES happon.Anyway thanks for the post and letting me vent. I think everyone here has there points and good ones at that.ZOO RIGHTS!!!! were are they?
QUOTE (pick_7 @ Mar 17 2008, 12:44 AM) please notice the above asswipe's status badge thanks "pick" that post was ugly... those are the ignorant ones I speak of! did you read his signiture? wow! GOOOD RIDDENS 10+++++ for u "pick" for ur great work!
QUOTE (whitewolf69 @ Mar 16 2008, 09:17 PM) QUOTE (newdater @ Mar 16 2008, 04:29 AM) No matter what you do someone will hate you This statement is about as simple as it gets!!!!! There are soooo many ignorant out there that believe what their told by ONE person, not MANY people. I am religous, BUT! I do not attend services because I dont believe in going to a building (any religion) (maybe with the exception of budism) were A MAN or WOMAN reads a book written BY MAN and edited by MAN to tell us right from wrong! Then we pay them (donations) so they can drive there new Cadillacs and melest our children. DID YOU KNOW? that in the bible before IT WAS EDITED for modern day that it contained BEASTIALITY!!!! IT also states that (this is not a quote) If your offspring (children) are disobedient that YOU shal end their lives (yes kill you kids because they were bad!)WHO REALLY WROTE THIS BOOK ANYWAY?! POINT being NO MAN/WOMAN is perfect, thats why we learn from one another. many peoples knowledge is much more affective than one persons.now I bring this up because the LAWS are based on what some people beleive is right and wrong, usually these people grew up in a family with HEAVY religous beliefs, they were tought that any sex that is not for making babies (misionary style)is bad. and sex with animals is the work of the devil. then these people get government jobs and make the laws. Now the rights thing worked out (for the most part) racism is still present but better than its ever been. and so on and so forth. I figure we are at a point were we (ZOOs,FURs,YIFFs,etc) can come together and do something about our RIGHTS!NOW I know this will not be easy, BUT if we band together and get all the facts, rules and such worked out. I think we may have leg to stand on.I feel if there were rules , not that much different than human on human lawssuch as:marrage: it should be the same for Human on Human as for human on Beast If there is a genuan bond there then relations should be allowed.abuse: now this one is a BIG one , now I dont beleive in abuse of any type! but as in human on human , if there is demestic abuse there are consequences, this should be the same for human on beast. treat them as a lover/partner health: possible make it nec to have a vets check out to prove no abuse is present .and so on. I am no Laywer but I know we have rights out there and we need to fight for them. HOW many thousands of people (zoos) are on this site alone? I have read that 20% + of the world populus are admited Zoos or Have had animal sexual expeiences. HOW can soo many be wrong? and those are the ones that are open about it. there is probibly something like 30-40% out there that at least are curious about beastialty.I myself have opened the eyes to beastiality to 10+ people and all of them are now hooked or curious. one friend of mine (50 years old) thought he had experienced all there is to know about sex......HE WAS WRONG......HE TO IS AN ADDICT of beastiality now! I could vent forever on this .....but i wont....I would love to fight the government on this for all of us. I would also love to educated the ignorant masses as to how human /beast partnership IS possible! and it DOES happon.Anyway thanks for the post and letting me vent. I think everyone here has there points and good ones at that.ZOO RIGHTS!!!! were are they? Whitewolf, hun, no religious discussions are allowed on this site, so please tread lightly here...
QUOTE (pick_7 @ Mar 16 2008, 06:44 PM) please notice the above asswipe's status badge
I love the entire irony throughout the post of how we are supposedly abusing animals, but the use of physical violence is ok due to our "awful and moral standards".So lets see here, physical pleasure shared between an animal and a human is bad, so physical pain against another human being should be used to correct it?Just a tiny bit hypocritical, for one that preaches our actions as abuse, dont you think?
That guy was a dusche, he's one who will never know.
QUOTE (EnigmaticVixen @ Mar 17 2008, 03:30 AM) QUOTE (whitewolf69 @ Mar 16 2008, 09:17 PM) QUOTE (newdater @ Mar 16 2008, 04:29 AM) No matter what you do someone will hate you This statement is about as simple as it gets!!!!! There are soooo many ignorant out there that believe what their told by ONE person, not MANY people. I am religous, BUT! I do not attend services because I dont believe in going to a building (any religion) (maybe with the exception of budism) were A MAN or WOMAN reads a book written BY MAN and edited by MAN to tell us right from wrong! Then we pay them (donations) so they can drive there new Cadillacs and melest our children. DID YOU KNOW? that in the bible before IT WAS EDITED for modern day that it contained BEASTIALITY!!!! IT also states that (this is not a quote) If your offspring (children) are disobedient that YOU shal end their lives (yes kill you kids because they were bad!)WHO REALLY WROTE THIS BOOK ANYWAY?! POINT being NO MAN/WOMAN is perfect, thats why we learn from one another. many peoples knowledge is much more affective than one persons.now I bring this up because the LAWS are based on what some people beleive is right and wrong, usually these people grew up in a family with HEAVY religous beliefs, they were tought that any sex that is not for making babies (misionary style)is bad. and sex with animals is the work of the devil. then these people get government jobs and make the laws. Now the rights thing worked out (for the most part) racism is still present but better than its ever been. and so on and so forth. I figure we are at a point were we (ZOOs,FURs,YIFFs,etc) can come together and do something about our RIGHTS!NOW I know this will not be easy, BUT if we band together and get all the facts, rules and such worked out. I think we may have leg to stand on.I feel if there were rules , not that much different than human on human lawssuch as:marrage: it should be the same for Human on Human as for human on Beast If there is a genuan bond there then relations should be allowed.abuse: now this one is a BIG one , now I dont beleive in abuse of any type! but as in human on human , if there is demestic abuse there are consequences, this should be the same for human on beast. treat them as a lover/partner health: possible make it nec to have a vets check out to prove no abuse is present .and so on. I am no Laywer but I know we have rights out there and we need to fight for them. HOW many thousands of people (zoos) are on this site alone? I have read that 20% + of the world populus are admited Zoos or Have had animal sexual expeiences. HOW can soo many be wrong? and those are the ones that are open about it. there is probibly something like 30-40% out there that at least are curious about beastialty.I myself have opened the eyes to beastiality to 10+ people and all of them are now hooked or curious. one friend of mine (50 years old) thought he had experienced all there is to know about sex......HE WAS WRONG......HE TO IS AN ADDICT of beastiality now! I could vent forever on this .....but i wont....I would love to fight the government on this for all of us. I would also love to educated the ignorant masses as to how human /beast partnership IS possible! and it DOES happon.Anyway thanks for the post and letting me vent. I think everyone here has there points and good ones at that.ZOO RIGHTS!!!! were are they? Whitewolf, hun, no religious discussions are allowed on this site, so please tread lightly here... Sorry , no intent to offend anyone. Just got carried away.Just cannot stand intalerance tward zoos(or anything/anyone else). Please forgive me if I have offened anyone. Was not my intent.simply would love to see the day when we are truely free.
QUOTE (whitewolf69 @ Mar 16 2008, 11:19 PM) QUOTE (EnigmaticVixen @ Mar 17 2008, 03:30 AM) QUOTE (whitewolf69 @ Mar 16 2008, 09:17 PM) QUOTE (newdater @ Mar 16 2008, 04:29 AM) No matter what you do someone will hate you This statement is about as simple as it gets!!!!! There are soooo many ignorant out there that believe what their told by ONE person, not MANY people. I am religous, BUT! I do not attend services because I dont believe in going to a building (any religion) (maybe with the exception of budism) were A MAN or WOMAN reads a book written BY MAN and edited by MAN to tell us right from wrong! Then we pay them (donations) so they can drive there new Cadillacs and melest our children. DID YOU KNOW? that in the bible before IT WAS EDITED for modern day that it contained BEASTIALITY!!!! IT also states that (this is not a quote) If your offspring (children) are disobedient that YOU shal end their lives (yes kill you kids because they were bad!)WHO REALLY WROTE THIS BOOK ANYWAY?! POINT being NO MAN/WOMAN is perfect, thats why we learn from one another. many peoples knowledge is much more affective than one persons.now I bring this up because the LAWS are based on what some people beleive is right and wrong, usually these people grew up in a family with HEAVY religous beliefs, they were tought that any sex that is not for making babies (misionary style)is bad. and sex with animals is the work of the devil. then these people get government jobs and make the laws. Now the rights thing worked out (for the most part) racism is still present but better than its ever been. and so on and so forth. I figure we are at a point were we (ZOOs,FURs,YIFFs,etc) can come together and do something about our RIGHTS!NOW I know this will not be easy, BUT if we band together and get all the facts, rules and such worked out. I think we may have leg to stand on.I feel if there were rules , not that much different than human on human lawssuch as:marrage: it should be the same for Human on Human as for human on Beast If there is a genuan bond there then relations should be allowed.abuse: now this one is a BIG one , now I dont beleive in abuse of any type! but as in human on human , if there is demestic abuse there are consequences, this should be the same for human on beast. treat them as a lover/partner health: possible make it nec to have a vets check out to prove no abuse is present .and so on. I am no Laywer but I know we have rights out there and we need to fight for them. HOW many thousands of people (zoos) are on this site alone? I have read that 20% + of the world populus are admited Zoos or Have had animal sexual expeiences. HOW can soo many be wrong? and those are the ones that are open about it. there is probibly something like 30-40% out there that at least are curious about beastialty.I myself have opened the eyes to beastiality to 10+ people and all of them are now hooked or curious. one friend of mine (50 years old) thought he had experienced all there is to know about sex......HE WAS WRONG......HE TO IS AN ADDICT of beastiality now! I could vent forever on this .....but i wont....I would love to fight the government on this for all of us. I would also love to educated the ignorant masses as to how human /beast partnership IS possible! and it DOES happon.Anyway thanks for the post and letting me vent. I think everyone here has there points and good ones at that.ZOO RIGHTS!!!! were are they? Whitewolf, hun, no religious discussions are allowed on this site, so please tread lightly here... Sorry , no intent to offend anyone. Just got carried away.Just cannot stand intalerance tward zoos(or anything/anyone else). Please forgive me if I have offened anyone. Was not my intent.simply would love to see the day when we are truely free. I think it's alright, just wanted to remind you not to get too deep into it in case the mods would have to take action against rule-breaking...religion and politics are non-nos for the site because they obviously can incite alot of anger, flaming, etc. Can't speak for the Mods personally of course, just felt I should let you know in case it was unintentional, seems that it was. Just don't want to lose you to something that could be avoided, that's all
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QUOTE (whitewolf69 @ Mar 16 2008, 08:23 PM) QUOTE (pick_7 @ Mar 17 2008, 12:44 AM) please notice the above asswipe's status badge thanks "pick" that post was ugly... those are the ignorant ones I speak of! did you read his signiture? wow! GOOOD RIDDENS 10+++++ for u "pick" for ur great work! read it??? I wrote it!!!! I was not knocking folks, it was just what I knew would make him the maddest!
Wow this topic is took off hey?
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QUOTE marrage: it should be the same for Human on Human as for human on BeastIf there is a genuan bond there then relations should be allowed.sure relations should be allowed between humans and animals, but to suggest marriage? I'm going to disagree there. Marriage is a human concept. Animals place no meaning on it. Sure I think if someone wants to have an exclusive relationship with their dog (or other animal), they should have every right, but I wouldn't call it marriage.
i think marriage isn't for an animal, because it's a spiritual bonding for humans, animals no matther how they love a person, don't understands it.
QUOTE (missywolf @ Mar 17 2008, 11:05 AM) QUOTE marrage: it should be the same for Human on Human as for human on BeastIf there is a genuan bond there then relations should be allowed.sure relations should be allowed between humans and animals, but to suggest marriage? I'm going to disagree there. Marriage is a human concept. Animals place no meaning on it. Sure I think if someone wants to have an exclusive relationship with their dog (or other animal), they should have every right, but I wouldn't call it marriage. I feel the same way as missywolf here, the word marriage and the legal document and partnership entered into through it is purely human, it would only be for the humans happiness/comfort if it were done, but the animal would place no meaning or value into it. Many people have exclusive relationships with their animals(I once had one with a horse) and I'm all for that, but the word marriage and what comes with it would only apply to the human partner involved. The animal would just wonder why he/she got a diamond or gold studded colllar/halter/etc all of a sudden
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If you love your dog you should be able to marry them. Doing this tho, people would not understand the bond between zoo's and their pets. No matter how bad we want it, it will never be leagalized.
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QUOTE (BeastMagicOne @ Mar 17 2008, 02:12 PM) If you love your dog you should be able to marry them. Doing this tho, people would not understand the bond between zoo's and their pets. No matter how bad we want it, it will never be leagalized. I don't disagree with that personally, as long as the human partner understands that it's only binding for themselves, the animal will have no idea something happened and that a contract of any kind has been entered into that 'applies' to them. They'd just love their partner like they did before, no more and no less.
QUOTE (whitewolf69)now I bring this up because the LAWS are based on what some people beleive is right and wrong, usually these people grew up in a family with HEAVY religous beliefs, they were tought that any sex that is not for making babies (misionary style)is bad. and sex with animals is the work of the devil. then these peopleget government jobs and make the laws.Anti-bestiality laws aren't always created for moral reasons, and if they are, they are usually produced in response to public awareness and opposition. Even so, laws are ultimately designed to protect against damage to people and their property. If bestiality is considered a harmful threat to animals, it will be outlawed anyway. It doesn't matter if a handful of zoophiles have consensual sex with animals, there are far more cases of rape and zoosadism to warrant having these laws around.Government recognition of true zoophiles won't eliminate anti-bestiality laws, only revise them to account for cases in which animal consent may have been truly possible. Once a law has been established, this is really the only goal we can aim for.QUOTE health: possible make it nec to have a vets check out to prove no abuse is presentJust because physical signs of abuse aren't present doesn't necessarily mean the sex was consensual. Emotional damage isn't as easy to find, and because of this, there's no way to prove whether consent existed for any previous sexual encounter. This makes it especially difficult to argue our case, because there is little or no proof to help our defense.QUOTE I am no Laywer but I know we have rights out there and we need to fight for them.We all have basic human rights not to be discriminated against, but that's it. Zoophiles don't have special rights beyond that. We can theoretically live our entire lives without a single person knowing about their animal attractions, and function normally in society. The ability to express ourselves and flaunt our differences serves no real purpose, and doesn't effect our private animal relationships in any way. It will just invite harassment from people who are still morally against us. Being protected by rights is no guarantee that people won't hate us.
This discussion has gone off topic, but I can't resist putting in my 2 cents. Already a person can have legal documents drafted which provide specific privilege or rights to be awarded their pet, ie... an inheritance or cartaker in the event of the owners death, and etc. These documents are generaly recognized as legitimate and enforcable under established legal guidelines. I hardly think that Marriage between man and beast will ever be recognized as legitimate, and societey will certainly reject any person demanding that the institution of marriage be altered in its conception so that it can include inter-species unions. Any such demands placed upon society will be identified as an attack upon their core values and no good will come of it, at least not at this time and probably not for a very long time. Marriage, religion, government, law enforcement, family, politics: These issues are closely connected and almost any position taken inside these subjects will invite criticism or worse. Add zoophilia to these subjects and just watch the fireworks explode! My conclusion is to not be too critical of others and hope for the favor returned, be discrete about my zoo interests, and expect to be ostricized when I can't pretend to "fit in" with the group. As for the original subject of this thread, I think that it is natural instinct for humans to reject ideas which don't fit into their value system. A persons values are established by around age 6 years old so their ideas (feelings) are pretty deeply ingrained. One natural instinct of the animal called Human is to socialize and form [SPAM] or packs. If you don't harmonize with the "group think", eventually you will be rejected (excommunicate, cull, tarred and featherd, railroaded, beaten, caddied, ostricize, taken for a ride, incarcerated, given a dirt nap) I don't like humans, but I enjoy having the intellect that humans have. I will never conform to the nonsensical behavior of the pack. Dogs are pure at heart, and use all of their facilites to the best of their ability. In general, humans waste their greatest asset, intellect. Most of the animal kingdom outside the human pack is way smarter than the average person. Humans would hardly stand a chance pitted in a contest of witts. Oh my, how I ramble on. I hope my insight finds fertile ground - or maybe I'm just full of sh*t? What do some of you think?
QUOTE (BeastMagicOne @ Mar 14 2008, 09:11 AM) How come is it that people who are against zoo's refer to it as a diseas??I overheard some people talking about beastiality and how people like us are infectious to todays sociaty, when really they probably have had thoughts about it. Well I say "people like us" should be proud to be who we are. When god or the mighty lord or whoever created this world they didn't put any rules or laws on who or what we could love, no he created all creatures equally, so really I feel bad for the people who don't get to enjoy the pleasure and companionship, and intamacy on a whole, deeper level. For some its just a different kind of sex but for me its love and passion. I love my baby gurl just as much as if she was human. I think that the influence that makes them anti-zoo is a disease. Look at everything that they do, like ban so-called normal porn where they can, and make it a felony to own dildoes. They have other bad habits that can't be politely mentioned here, but we know what those are. Yes, they are too nasty to be mentioned on this forum.
who is they? and I don't know the laws in every area, but where is it illegal to own a dildo? besides many household objects can be used as dildos.
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QUOTE (missywolf @ Mar 18 2008, 01:13 AM) who is they? and I don't know the laws in every area, but where is it illegal to own a dildo? besides many household objects can be used as dildos. Texas is one of the states that has been infamous for this."They" are the people who want to live our lives for us because they have no lives of their own.
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oh I see.my grammar sucks in that last post. oops, should pay more attention.
QUOTE (missywolf @ Mar 17 2008, 05:13 PM) who is they? and I don't know the laws in every area, but where is it illegal to own a dildo? besides many household objects can be used as dildos. Nice.......
So let me get this straight, I as I Texas resident can not legally own a dildo? Hmm...oops
First off I didn't mean to make waves....But after reading all the relies to my post and the others. I have to say THANKS! to all of you. I now have a different or several different points of view that make great sense.I truely enjoy reading all the input. I guess having an affinity/passion for animals since I can remember, makes it hard to put myself in someones shoes that has not or does not have that same passion for animals. Your replies have showed that I had't thought of that. I guess I was trying to rationalize my (our) way of life in a way that a non zoo could understand. So when I mentioned marrage it was a way to connect the two. But after some feedback I feel thats a poor way of putting it. Thanks again to all, and hope to read more replies to this post.I find BF a true resource, and a safe haven for zoos to open up and communicate with other zoos.
^anti-zoos won't understand no matter how you explain or word it. I think I know what you mean anyways.
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Well thank you whitewolf69
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For an anti-zoo attitude to exist, it means the act of making love to an animal needed to occur first for the attitude to develop in the first place. In other words, bestiality has been around quite some time. Laws against it date back to ancient times, so it goes to follow.At some point in history for many societies it became favorable and advantagous for people to engage in "productive" sex. I.E. sex which produced offspring. Children were needed and were good for a society to have and helped it grow. Populations that are increasing tend to achieve a higher standard of living (to a point, then overpopulation creates downward pressure on that standard) and those in power would benefit from an increasing population; simply put, more people to work to bring them more goods. So "Non-productive" sex such as masturbation, sex, bestiality, etc. would naturally become demonized as immoral. Religion would have started as a "human behavior manual" and literally included instructions on what is good behavior and what is bad behavior. Religion has been said to be "the glue that binds society" (I am not discussing religion here, I am simply referring to it in a historical context) and helped people understand what their society required of them in their day to day existence. Do good and you will be rewarded. Do wrong and you will be punished. Because societies in general saw no social, economic or political advantages to bestiality (or masturbation or sex) it was condemned and has been ever since. It's not that it isn't natural or that it's immoral, its just that it doesn't benefit others. Bestiality has been around as long as humans have had close contact with animals. It was only later- when it was considered not to be advantagous to various societies- that it was frowned upon. I don't think any society exists today where "productive" sex is as important as it was earlier in our history. It has lost it's lustre due to massive human overpopulation. Yet we still suffer from the effects of it's importance back then. There are still going to be those "anti's" (fill in your favorite hater here) who find the idea of non-productive sex offensive simply because they have been raised to think as such. They simply lack the ability to think things through for themselves.
Thanks everyone for your post on my thread.
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QUOTE (equineslurp @ Mar 18 2008, 05:40 AM) For an anti-zoo attitude to exist, it means the act of making love to an animal needed to occur first for the attitude to develop in the first place. In other words, bestiality has been around quite some time. Laws against it date back to ancient times, so it goes to follow.At some point in history for many societies it became favorable and advantagous for people to engage in "productive" sex. I.E. sex which produced offspring. Children were needed and were good for a society to have and helped it grow. Populations that are increasing tend to achieve a higher standard of living (to a point, then overpopulation creates downward pressure on that standard) and those in power would benefit from an increasing population; simply put, more people to work to bring them more goods. So "Non-productive" sex such as masturbation, sex, bestiality, etc. would naturally become demonized as immoral. Religion would have started as a "human behavior manual" and literally included instructions on what is good behavior and what is bad behavior. Religion has been said to be "the glue that binds society" (I am not discussing religion here, I am simply referring to it in a historical context) and helped people understand what their society required of them in their day to day existence. Do good and you will be rewarded. Do wrong and you will be punished. Because societies in general saw no social, economic or political advantages to bestiality (or masturbation or sex) it was condemned and has been ever since. It's not that it isn't natural or that it's immoral, its just that it doesn't benefit others. Bestiality has been around as long as humans have had close contact with animals. It was only later- when it was considered not to be advantagous to various societies- that it was frowned upon. I don't think any society exists today where "productive" sex is as important as it was earlier in our history. It has lost it's lustre due to massive human overpopulation. Yet we still suffer from the effects of it's importance back then. There are still going to be those "anti's" (fill in your favorite hater here) who find the idea of non-productive sex offensive simply because they have been raised to think as such. They simply lack the ability to think things through for themselves. wow , you put into words what I couldn't thanks
QUOTE (equineslurp @ Mar 17 2008, 09:40 PM) For an anti-zoo attitude to exist, it means the act of making love to an animal needed to occur first for the attitude to develop in the first place. In other words, bestiality has been around quite some time. Laws against it date back to ancient times, so it goes to follow.At some point in history for many societies it became favorable and advantagous for people to engage in "productive" sex. I.E. sex which produced offspring. Children were needed and were good for a society to have and helped it grow. Populations that are increasing tend to achieve a higher standard of living (to a point, then overpopulation creates downward pressure on that standard) and those in power would benefit from an increasing population; simply put, more people to work to bring them more goods. So "Non-productive" sex such as masturbation, sex, bestiality, etc. would naturally become demonized as immoral. Religion would have started as a "human behavior manual" and literally included instructions on what is good behavior and what is bad behavior. Religion has been said to be "the glue that binds society" (I am not discussing religion here, I am simply referring to it in a historical context) and helped people understand what their society required of them in their day to day existence. Do good and you will be rewarded. Do wrong and you will be punished. Because societies in general saw no social, economic or political advantages to bestiality (or masturbation or sex) it was condemned and has been ever since. It's not that it isn't natural or that it's immoral, its just that it doesn't benefit others. Bestiality has been around as long as humans have had close contact with animals. It was only later- when it was considered not to be advantagous to various societies- that it was frowned upon. I don't think any society exists today where "productive" sex is as important as it was earlier in our history. It has lost it's lustre due to massive human overpopulation. Yet we still suffer from the effects of it's importance back then. There are still going to be those "anti's" (fill in your favorite hater here) who find the idea of non-productive sex offensive simply because they have been raised to think as such. They simply lack the ability to think things through for themselves. Yes, I also found this very enlightining. Thank you for sharing.
Todays society is little more than a collective. Everyone must think the same, walk and talk the same. They must conform to survive, a few weak links and all hell breaks loose.Why do you think 85 to 90 % of the population is anti- this or anti-that? To destroy the collective majority, we need need to continue voicing our thoughts and opinions, oh yea, almost forgot the pics and videos (for proof on no ill intent to our partners, of course .Society needs to remove its bind fold and see the reality that few, like us see each and every day. Can you imagine the shock created by how many people are in alternative lifestyles, whether they be into zoo, or , or even into sniffing gym shoes. but guess what, it make them happy and fulfilled in at least having the knowledge that it makes them happy or that they are loved. Love is a very strong emotion, making you do things that that other don't see as normal.But my favorite ones to watch would be all the closet cases you would actually see. Those hiding behind that fake sense of security regarding their "alternative " lifestyle. The same ones that glared down upon us, with their righteous fire burning within. The ones telling us we were diseases, and morality rejects and those that are unclean. To these I say "F**CK YOU!!!!!!"
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