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Posted by columbusjack on February 27th 2008, 16:46

I was reading in interesting post here on Beastforum where the originating author remarked about seeing a woman walking a dog. He posed the question as to whether anyone else envisioned the people they saw on the street having sexual relations with their animal companions. The author got me thinking. What was the woman walking the dog thinking? How many women and men, when sitting at home pet their dog and feel a sexual warmth, however unrecognized or however quickly pushed aside. How often does her master's member swell, ever so secretly, as Fluffy lovingly laps her master's hand? Is Mrs. Smith feeling distantly uncomfortable as her nipples tighten when she holds adoring Rex in her lap?I looked a bit at the literature available on the web to get an idea as to the numbers of folks who suppress their feelings about animals. How many of them are there for each of us that acknowledge our sexuality? I saw a recent study that cited the number of people who had touched their pet sexually at 2-8% but the number who had fantasized about sex with an animal at 10-20%. (I'll try to dig up the reference - it wasn't Kinsey). I am not as concerned with the number as this will vary with the author's method and access. What I am interested in is the magnitude of the "repressed" or latent zoophile population. This author found a 5x greater audience of those secretly pondering the odd bestial fantasy.An ongoing Internet survey of sexuality (http://www.survey.net/sv-sex.htm) found that 21.4% of individuals were "Bestiality-curious" with 3-13% reporting they had had some form of sexual contact with an animal. What is of note is that the survey's measure of what I consider repressed or latent Zoos is consistent with the earlier study cited above.In fact, in the book "Between Pets and People: The Importance of Animal Companionship " authors Beck and Katcher cite 30% of the men who visit "peep-shows" select animal human sexual subjects. This leads me to think that there is a large, silent group of people who discretely feel sexually attracted to their pets, no matter how carefully hidden it might be.If the numbers of those fantacizing, repressed, or uncomfortably aroused is around 20%, roughly five times our Zoo population's size, then it is a distinct possibility that the slight pink I see in the cheeks of my wife's dinner guest as she pets my dog is reflected in a corresponding blushing in her breasts and moistening of her loin. I'll be looking at the others in my world more carefully over the next few weeks. I would love to hear about your experience with this.

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Posted by ZetterGRD on February 27th 2008, 21:54

Most people who own pets see them as a member of their family, or as general friends and companions. Such people naturally will not develop any sexual feelings or fantasies for their pets. Also, the vast majority of pets are spayed and neutered, so this creates a further obstacle that prevents people from thinking such thoughts.While people may have occasional thoughts of bestiality, it does not mean they are repressing any urges, and does not mean they are latent zoophiles. People may fantasize about animals, but fantasy is very different from reality, and people may avoid having real experiences because they genuinely don't want to. To cite a human comparison, many people who consider themselves straight may confess to having random thoughts about the same sex, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are latent bisexuals.All things considered, real sexual attraction to animals is probably not as common as one might think, even considering all the people who may be repressing or hiding their feelings. Many people simply have a fetish or kink for animal sex or porn, and nothing more. They are not sexually attracted to animals, and may even find the concept of genuine attraction to be unpleasant or repulsive.

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Posted by columbusjack on February 27th 2008, 22:00

Interesting. So you feel the fantasy about sex with an animal is bourne out of the psyche rather than a genuine desire? I am not like that. Perhaps my world is more (mabye less - when I think of it) controlled. If I want something, I assume it is because I really do want to try that something. (Then, of course I usually do... ) I appreciate your insight. Do you think the number of us who engage in sex with our animals is more representitive of the true number of Zoos or the 20% that say they have an interest (I read fantasy)? Much appreciated.--ColumbusJack

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Posted by roxyroxann on February 28th 2008, 5:16

I totally agree with ZetterGRD! I have met a lot of people online that claim to have a real interest in the lifestyle, but found more so they just enjoy watching porn! It should come as no shock that as the more vinilla porn starts to loose its luster, people turn to the more erotic! So that said i would say more are into the idea, of being a beast lover then actually being a beast lover! For me, its attraction... Dogs are the sexiest animals on earth... And i am lucky enough to understand that about myself....

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Posted by love69dogs on February 28th 2008, 6:33

i agree with Zetter, just because u have a thought, doesnt mean ur repressing any urges, maybe people who do fantasies about it are just after pornography rather than the actual "relationship" factor behind it and show an interest in the porn side rather than the relationship side to beastiality.myself, im a dog lover, always have been, always will be... never once have i had any feelings for another person, well anyway yeah, dogs are the way to go for me... you can tell me how "wrong" or "strange" i am... i couldnt carealso, 100th post now

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Posted by Natureboy on February 28th 2008, 7:07

QUOTE (ZetterGRD @ Feb 27 2008, 09:54 PM) Most people who own pets see them as a member of their family, or as general friends and companions. Such people naturally will not develop any sexual feelings or fantasies for their pets. Also, the vast majority of pets are spayed and neutered, so this creates a further obstacle that prevents people from thinking such thoughts. I think this is true for the majority. The % of us in the population has not changed, we simply have common meeting place to express ourselves. With growing popularity of this forum among us, it too makes it seem common place when interacting in public. This is something that is very taboo at this stage in time but will eventually make it out as "mainstreem. <-- the internet will see to that with expediency. What is the next stage of sexual tendency that will push its way forward I wonder? Regular sex & same sex is old news now Personally I like being in the closet because it will insure longer lasting desire for some "things" I cannot have. Its all primal attraction for me, natural attraction as far back I can remember.

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Posted by columbusjack on February 28th 2008, 14:21

Congratulations on 100th post, love 69. It is interesting to read what Zetter, Roxy, Nature and Love69 say. I had assumed that if a person were imagining sex with an animal that they felt a similar connection to their pets as I did, just not as intense. I figured that they simply channeled the unwanted sexual attraction elsewhere. I should re-think that. I guess I can understand the erotic/taboo causality. It does feel taboo to me still, I am obviously in-the closet, but the novelty wore away long ago. My personal connection to my pets has been deep and, while sexual, transcends just lust. I feel a great deal of empathy and a singular connection with them. I also truly enjoy the purity of the relationship. (Is it ike that with you?)The sexual aspect is quite intense but I would share my life with my pet even if sex were not an option. The sexual attraction for me is different in some ways than that which I feel for people. Mostly it is just in the level of arousal, though. I agree with Roxy that they're sexy as hell. You don't think that if a non-Zoo woman were introduced to sex with a dog, that she would discover something she would like? (I guess that means there is no hope my wife would ever come over to "the dark side". Too bad, now that would be sexy.......) Interesting insights ..... --ColumbusJack

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Posted by Shy Doglover on February 28th 2008, 15:23

Wow, what a great topic thread this is Columbusjack! Shooting off in a slightly different direction for a moment, I've often wondered how many guide dog owners have sexual relationships with their guide dogs being that they are with them 24 7, and being that they are extremely close to them since they act as their eyes and have often saved their master's lives. The feeling of gratitude can be truly emense. Now, being that all guide dogs are spayed or neutored, this certainly lessens the possibility for sex between a blind person and his or her guide dog. I was recently discussing this topic with another BF member via E-mail who suggested that it's something that guide dog schools are probably aware of, but certainly wouldn't ever discuss. This may be part of the reason though that often blind people are given same sex guide dogs rather than a dog of the opposite sex. But given the amount of time that a blind person is around their dog building up a loving trusting relationship, and given the dog's desire to please their master, I bet that this happens behind closed doors more often than folks might think. Now, I never really thought of Blazer in a sexual manner because he was a male dog, and my sexual attraction is generally to female dogs. I often let Blazer french kiss me when I was feeling down and depressed which happened a lot once I realized that my marriage was going to hell in a hen basket, but I never once touched his cock at all, and the thought of doing so never even crossed my mind. Somet times after frenching him for a while, there would be some pre come on my dick, and Blazer would try to lick it off but I never really encouraged this because I always felt guilty about doing so. I do remember though, that once I was moved out of our bedroom and had to sleep on a matris in the coldest bedroom of the house, I was struck by the fact that Blazer definitely loved me much more than my wife did at that point. Within seconds after I was awake each morning, he would get off the floor and crawl onto the matris with me, wrap one of his front paws around my neck and snuggle up next to me as close as he could get, and give me a good morning kiss. I was completely overwhelmed by this at the time! I remember being so surprised at this at first, and thinking that it was a real shame that my dog knew more about how to love me than my wife did. Now I realize that this is actually very common, and that overall, a dog will be much more loyal to you for the rest of his life than many people are in marriages and relationships. Unlike people whose emotions can change drastically over the years, once you have a dog's love, unless you misstreat him or her, you have that love and loyalty for the rest of his life.While I agree with many of the other posters on here that just because a person might think about sex with animals, that doesn't mean that they are a latent Zoo, (take my friend for example) I do have to wonder though like you, just how many Zoos are out there that can't even admit that that is their sexual preference and keep fighting it and denying it even to themselves.Shy

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Posted by german07 on March 3rd 2008, 9:10

I think a lot of repressed zoo's, especially the ones who like sex

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Posted by sircarl on March 7th 2008, 0:39

QUOTE (roxyroxann @ Feb 27 2008, 11:16 PM) I totally agree with ZetterGRD! I have met a lot of people online that claim to have a real interest in the lifestyle, but found more so they just enjoy watching porn! It should come as no shock that as the more vinilla porn starts to loose its luster, people turn to the more erotic! So that said i would say more are into the idea, of being a beast lover then actually being a beast lover! For me, its attraction... Dogs are the sexiest animals on earth... And i am lucky enough to understand that about myself.... Very well stated.

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Posted by hidetanner on March 7th 2008, 4:15

We must remember the percentage he admit it are only those who "will" admit it. Some are so full of denial, possibly, they won't even admit it to themselves.

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Posted by Stealth_zoophile on March 7th 2008, 5:35

QUOTE (ZetterGRD @ Feb 27 2008, 02:54 PM) Most people who own pets see them as a member of their family, or as general friends and companions. Such people naturally will not develop any sexual feelings or fantasies for their pets. Also, the vast majority of pets are spayed and neutered, so this creates a further obstacle that prevents people from thinking such thoughts.While people may have occasional thoughts of bestiality, it does not mean they are repressing any urges, and does not mean they are latent zoophiles. People may fantasize about animals, but fantasy is very different from reality, and people may avoid having real experiences because they genuinely don't want to. To cite a human comparison, many people who consider themselves straight may confess to having random thoughts about the same sex, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are latent bisexuals.All things considered, real sexual attraction to animals is probably not as common as one might think, even considering all the people who may be repressing or hiding their feelings. Many people simply have a fetish or kink for animal sex or porn, and nothing more. They are not sexually attracted to animals, and may even find the concept of genuine attraction to be unpleasant or repulsive. I've seen that happen with a lot of people. This girl I know, who is also a zoo, had this boyfriend who she said would watch her get screwed by a dog, but wouldn't do anything of that nature himself. Just to give an example, really. I think it is a bit more common than we think among people who have really wanted to get a certain animal but haven't been able to... it makes sense to me, as I've always wanted a dog for about as far back as I could remember wanting anything, and I still don't have one.

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Posted by Barb Dyer on March 7th 2008, 11:45

Long ago on the zoo boards there were many who complained about people who are not zoo, but are into zoophiles, and usually just as spectators. They called them "zoophiliophiliacs" or something like that. It was frequently used in the zooier-than-thou wars of those days.

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Posted by columbusjack on March 7th 2008, 14:57

The conversation is really interesting. I am learning so much. Are any of you Zoo fans, but not interested in sex with a different species? Do you feel love or empathy with animals at all?Do you have urges but cannot bring yourself to overcome societal taboos?What about us/the act of bestial or zoo sex turns you on?Have you tried? What did you feel inside?Thank you.*Truly Interested*--ColumbusJack

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Posted by energydog on March 7th 2008, 18:59

QUOTE (german07 @ Mar 3 2008, 09:10 AM) I think a lot of repressed zoo's, especially the ones who like sex Well I agree I believe a lot of , serious furfen that is, are sexually repressed and would consider at least trying the zooey/beasty lifestyle. But then again, serious furfen constitute hardly any larger percentage of the population than zoophiles do. In fact, there are probably more zooeys/beastys or potential zoos than there are serious fans. That said I also believe there are larger percent of the population who have considered the idea at least in a voyeuristic sense or as a passing thought/fantasy. But these are seperate from the people who have a repeated or constant interest in this lifestyl, once again as a voyeur or a practitioner.

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Posted by columbusjack on March 7th 2008, 19:36

Hard for me to imagine, I am a Zoo. Nothing limited me from trying out what I felt/wanted. I wonder how many of the spectators have put up barriers or moral walls they can't get beyond. Maybe wishful thinking. I would personally like it if I could chat with someone and be able to ballpark if they were seeing the world like me. Some of my interest is academic. I don't understand the spectator thing. If I were a woman and the act of seeing 2 women having sex turns me on, I am a little Bi-. My wife claims it is different. (I think repressed).Who knows.

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Posted by wes1530 on March 9th 2008, 5:10

I will state ever since I can remember I've always been attracted to dogs. I don't know why, I don't know how; but that's just simply the way I feel. The bad part is when I was young and started to try and act out on the urges I got caught and was for a lack of better words scorn from it. Now 15 years later it's still burning in my mind and waiting to be purged. After 15 years of trying to forget.Coming to grips with reality, I just can't take it repressing these thoughts. Here I am on the BF trying to find some help on the topic and find someone to join in with. In reguards to your posting as to why, I think the people that are into beast didn't have a choice. It was something that is pre-set, with no choosing, the thought/ decision is always there... For me, it started when I was a kid, and pressing ever since, with no chance of denying it... -Wes-

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Posted by blacksupra on March 10th 2008, 14:48

There are probably alot more ppl than we think yeah.

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Posted by Skyrune on June 23rd 2008, 3:10

Excellent topic, a 10 for you, OP. Do people repress their zoo/beast urges? I say absolutely, yes.Take a look at any given topic - to keep it simple, let's say "trying something" - and examine the number of people. For instance:-How many people who don't use drugs, have at least tried smoking weed once?-How many people have cheated on their diet?-How many people with clean driving records actually drive like maniacs? (I'm guilty of that, lol)Now say we push the boundaries of it:-How many people are calm and mild-mannered in public, but are wild and crazy in the bedroom?-How many people who are married (or engaged or otherwise in a committed relationship) would have an affair, if they knew for certain they'd never be caught?You get the idea.Not many people would fess up to such things. Why? Because of the dreaded "oh what will everyone else think?" factor. We are taught from an early age that we're supposed to do the "right" thing, and growing up, taking in the world around us, we know without even asking that intimacy with animals is "wrong". Or rather, that's what's been hammered into our conscious.And so you have people repressing their feelings and emotions.I don't know the numbers (pretty sure a door-to-door survey on the topic is unlikely to happen, lol) but I would be willing to bet that the % of the world's population who has experimented with zoo/beast is much higher than we think. A shame, really...looking around at the community we have here, the ones who repress their urges are missing out on something really special.But repress they do. Because as wonderful as life and love is for a zoophile, and as intense and sexually fulfilling as it is for a beastphile (is that the right word? meh..I'm tired, lol), there is one emotion stronger than love or desire: Fear.And so it all comes back around to the beginning. People feel love or desire towards an animal, fear of consequence kicks in, overrides the joy, people repress what they feel. Their life becomes a cycle of this same repression. And that's really too bad...by repressing what you feel, you rob yourself of the chance to experience pleasure and happiness. All so people will think you are "normal".Sometimes we in the zoo/beast community have to repress what we feel, simply due to safety (or secrecy) to protect ourselves, or those we care about. But to repress emotions to the point of canceling them out altogether...is just a loss.This is one of the fundamental differences between people and animals; Humans work very hard to control their emotions. Animals simply go with what they feel.

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Posted by silkythighs on June 23rd 2008, 19:15

My feeling is that no, most people aren't repressing zoophile urges. It simply doesn't come into play in most peoples lives. Perhaps once they become exposed or tuned into the subject, then sure I feel many would repress urges to become active themselves. As for women, I've always felt that any woman who actually tried k9, would really enjoy the experience and want to do it again. However sadly for them, it'll just never even occur to them to even try.

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Posted by zndxxx on June 23rd 2008, 19:22

well, i think most of the people have zoo thoughts and if given the right opportunity will take sexual action towards animals -humans are sexual creatures

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Posted by madcatz12 on June 23rd 2008, 19:26

Yes I definitly think that people repress their urges to be with an animal. I would think some causes would be that they fear of being ridiculed, or if they don't know that bestiality is very real, and many people do it. Take me for example, I discovered bestiality on the internet. Almost immedietly after, I felt sexual attraction to my horses, and dog. So as a last word, yes, I believe that many people repress the urge to be with an animal.

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Posted by Bober on August 13th 2008, 10:54

Hello all. Sorry to bring this old topic back up but there's some statistical info that I wanted to share with you.Shooting straight forward out here, I am all about animal porn. When I think about it I realize that beastiality will never be my lifestyle. My girlfriend knows about my tastes and she was even curious about it, curious enough to making me look for a dog for her. Luckily I've never got to implement my evil plans into reality. Anyway, I was always wondering how many women have actually tried an interspecies contact comparing to general population. Reading about it in sex stories columns one may think that every other woman is having sex with an animal. The thought of this actually made me go to the library and find a book that has some statistical data. It is called "Sexual Behavior In The Human Female" By the Staff of the Institute for Sex Research, Indiana UniversityThe chapter that concerns the topic is called "Animal Contact". Here's the statistics (gathered from over 5000 females):Animal Contact:Accumulative incidents in pre-adolescence: 1.5%__Erotic Response: 1.4%__Orgasm: 0.3%Accumulative incidents in adult: 3.6%__Erotic Response: 3.0%__Orgasm: 0.4%General body contact: CommonMasturbation of animal: SomeAnimal mouth on human genitalias: SomeCoitus: Very rareBasically the chapter emphasizes on us (men) fantasizing too much. No doubt there is a vast number of women out there who are into beastiality, you can tell by browsing this forum. However, the per cent is very small, so don't go on suspecting your cute neighbor of having sex with her dog every evening.

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Posted by beautifulfemale on August 13th 2008, 11:52

In my experience, I had never had any sexual thoughts about dogs.Then, when with one who kept pushing his face into my crutch, I realised how aroused I was and one thing led to another.This continued over a period of 18 months - i fantasise every day about the feelings he gave me but have never had the opportunity again.My partner discovered my 'interest' by looking through my pc, left me and I have felt so ashamed since. However my desire has not diminished in the slightest. If anything it gets stronger and I am so glad I have found you all and I now know there are more people like me

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Posted by Barb Dyer on August 13th 2008, 14:08

Welcome to bf, bf!Yes there are a lot of people in a position similar to yours, don't feel alone.

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Posted by beautifulfemale on August 13th 2008, 14:52

QUOTE (Barb Dyer @ Aug 13 2008, 01:08 PM) Welcome to bf, bf!Yes there are a lot of people in a position similar to yours, don't feel alone. Thank you x

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Posted by himfella on August 13th 2008, 15:03

As you have noticed (I am sure!), your former friend that left you will easily be replace, by someone who feels like YOU do now!Welcum to our group! himfella

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Posted by missywolf on August 13th 2008, 16:05

Statistics are nice, but I never took part in any survey. And the thing is people are going to lie, and deny.I'm sure there are many people who repress their urges just to be "normal" and fit in, but as Skyrune said:QUOTE the ones who repress their urges are missing out on something really special.

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Posted by energydog on August 13th 2008, 19:08

Damn straight! I lie and deny all the time. In the end though it does not really matter what statistics say. Its all a big numbers game. The only real number that counts is those who actually practice it or would practice it with regularity. If someone had statistics on that you would probably find that number of individuals, as a percentage of the population, is probably rather static regardless of the time period or culture you're looking at.

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Posted by dr Kaninov on August 13th 2008, 20:51

Hi all!First of all, I find this thread very intresting and stimulating (pun intended).I think porn is there to help people in general to channel their impulses (that does not include snuff or other perversions), where you project your 5 centimeter "tool" to a 25 centimeter make up dildo and get to have 2 women at a time. and to soothe customer's insecurities as the "zoos", "lesbians", "bisexuals" and "gay for pay" actors who are there usually to soothe the insecurity of the regular customers towards sex, as in no woman can give another woman a proper orgasm, no man gets so high with another man as with a woman, 2 gals can warm up, but they do need a man... (yeah sure!, look for Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny when going out dude!)On the other hand, Joe Average and company look at anthro stuff (non yiffy and yiffy), to acquire the sexyness of certain species a female looks more femenine walking like a cat, a man looks stronger when he is "strong as a bull", which might be a bridge for beasty stuff as much as buying fitness magazines and getting the posters of weight lifters in you gym, might be a trait, which is certainly not as much as geting nude and watching wrestlemania.So, people might relate certain traits of animals (the walking, the buildup, their genitalia) to sexual traits on humans, (he is as hung as a horse!), and might want to see that, as on the peepshows, even fantasize about Max humping his wife, but they would do anything in their power to prevent that from happening if the chance came to happen.

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Posted by fluffyd13 on August 13th 2008, 21:14

QUOTE (Bober @ Aug 13 2008, 09:54 AM) Hello all. Sorry to bring this old topic back up but there's some statistical info that I wanted to share with you.Shooting straight forward out here, I am all about animal porn. When I think about it I realize that beastiality will never be my lifestyle. My girlfriend knows about my tastes and she was even curious about it, curious enough to making me look for a dog for her. Luckily I've never got to implement my evil plans into reality. Anyway, I was always wondering how many women have actually tried an interspecies contact comparing to general population. Reading about it in sex stories columns one may think that every other woman is having sex with an animal. The thought of this actually made me go to the library and find a book that has some statistical data. It is called "Sexual Behavior In The Human Female" By the Staff of the Institute for Sex Research, Indiana UniversityThe chapter that concerns the topic is called "Animal Contact". Here's the statistics (gathered from over 5000 females):Animal Contact:Accumulative incidents in pre-adolescence: 1.5%__Erotic Response: 1.4%__Orgasm: 0.3%Accumulative incidents in adult: 3.6%__Erotic Response: 3.0%__Orgasm: 0.4%General body contact: CommonMasturbation of animal: SomeAnimal mouth on human genitalias: SomeCoitus: Very rareBasically the chapter emphasizes on us (men) fantasizing too much. No doubt there is a vast number of women out there who are into beastiality, you can tell by browsing this forum. However, the per cent is very small, so don't go on suspecting your cute neighbor of having sex with her dog every evening. I dunno, ole Kinsey isn't the most reliable of sources. . .

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Posted by Hoofin on August 14th 2008, 2:37

Skyrune I feel really hits the nail on the head. I would just like to add that most people on the internet who took part of any survey that mentions this probably lied about their feelings due to not wanting to admit it, or fear that they would be exposing themselves to some unknown person. I would speculate that most, if not all people have had a zoophilic thoughts at least once. Meh, just my opinion.

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Posted by missywolf on August 14th 2008, 3:00

QUOTE (Hoofin @ Aug 13 2008, 08:37 PM) Skyrune I feel really hits the nail on the head. I would just like to add that most people on the internet who took part of any survey that mentions this probably lied about their feelings due to not wanting to admit it, or fear that they would be exposing themselves to some unknown person. I would speculate that most, if not all people have had a zoophilic thoughts at least once. Meh, just my opinion. It may be just your opinion, but I think you are right. Maybe not most people, (and certainly not all) but more than do admit it.

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Posted by 50toto on August 14th 2008, 10:08

In my opinion, I think most people love animals because animals are decent, typically the perfectly good Samaritan.

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Posted by Ravana on August 14th 2008, 12:47

Interesting this should be here, because in the past week, I've discovered two of my long-time friends have not just respect for Zoophilia, but an underlying (and surfacing) urge for it. Both are/were . One signed up here under the name Utanith (go give him welcome 10s ), the other is my current human lover.And about a month ago, I made my first Zoo friend.It's been a great two months I hope to get them on here and more into the lifestyle now.Hope my experience gives some insight in your 'research'.

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Posted by paraplegiczoo on August 20th 2008, 12:13

I find statistics fascinating. I loved reading this thread & yes I do believe a LOT of ppl in this world, repress their feelings so they can remain "normal"

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Posted by himfella on August 20th 2008, 13:42

Missywolf, I have wondered the same thing- - and I am much older than most on here. When I started, and for several years following, we would have NEVER mentioned these acts to ANYONE else- - -so - - I am wondering if that group STILL EXISTS!? and HOW would anyone else even KNOW about them (us!) And I sort of suspect, further, that MAYBE some never tried it more than once or twice and gave up? himfella

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Posted by DARPAchief on August 20th 2008, 16:02

I know a lot of guys in school would use peanut butter to get licked, but unfortunately most of them were doing it just to get off with something other than their own hand rather than out of a genuine sexual attraction to the animal.I don't know how common this is for teenage guys, but I think under the right circumstances many of them could become zoo.

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Posted by buckup on August 21st 2008, 1:21

QUOTE (50toto @ Aug 14 2008, 09:08 AM) In my opinion, I think most people love animals because animals are decent, typically the perfectly good Samaritan. yes, for me that was the original attraction to animals before sex played a big part in my thoughts. They displayed every quality that I was looking for in a good friend, partner, etc.Once sex entered the equation it was a natural progression. I'd always found dogs beautiful (and as a professional artist, let me just say that beauty to me is a lot more than pinups; think angles, lines... nothing can beat the charge and flow of a canine) and what is a greater appreciation of beauty than to be the closest you possibly can? I dont care if it's just cuddling on a couch watching a movie or full blown mount-me-till-i-faint, it's still that intimate contact and the chance to be so close to such perfection (in my mind) that is rewarding.OK, ready for a pretty crazy attempt to relay my thoughts? I would hazard a guess that most people wouldn't go out into the world and go looking for transsexuals. (bear with me, i have a point! ) If a woman with a husky voice waits on you in a restaurant, 99% of people aren't going to think "hmm, I wonder if that woman was born a man?" Unless that person has been exposed to the transsexual lifestyle (maybe a family member, partner, coworker, or themselves) there's no reason to jump to that question in the first place. it's substantially more common to either not notice at all or assume that the woman was a smoker. It's the same with zoosexuality, I'd bet. When John Smith see's ye olde beagle on the curb, I highly doubt he has the casual inclination to wonder what the dog's sheath looked like. he's probably more inclined to seek out the dog's owner and see what he/she looks like. Granted, transsexuality is a much deeper concept, but in terms of this equation we're just as specialized an interest group.But to continue my crazy parallel, how many men and women during their lives had a dream where they were in the opposite body? how many early games were about dress up with no boundaries based on a gender binary? I'd bet that most men or women have had a 'freaky dream' or two where they were an animal, were interacting with an animal, or even had fantasies about animals. but just because it's a fleeting thought doesn't make it suddenly a point of deep interest. if every 'weird' dream occurrence changed our views on life there'd be a LOT more interesting stuff happening out on the streets.In the end i think it comes down to how deeply zoo strikes a chord with you. It rings damn true for me, so i keep exploring farther and farther into what it means to me to be 'zoosexual'. for lots of men and women the zoosexual pull is probably voyeuristic or fantasy. for others there aint no chord at all!in the end there's no way to know true statistics on forbidden topics. I mean, if someone came to my door right now and told me they were conducting a survey on the prevalence of sexual and emotional attraction to animals I sure as hell wouldn't give them the truth. Bestiality is still an illegal activity in lots of places, who is to know where the responses to a survey like that may end up and what kind of trouble a partaker in the survey may get into? I'd even be hesitant to stand up in a double-blind survey about my lifestyle, just because I know that in the 'normal' world the relationship i have with my animals is taboo.'course here in a jury of our peers there's no problem not only admitting, but celebrating these feelings. and even within beastforum.com a lot of us are still a minority... those that actually practice! Still, i think in the end this will always be an unanswered question. I'm content in knowing that i'm not the only one and there are ways to meet others who feel the same, either as friends, roommates, or perhaps partners (with our respective companions, of course!). Resources like these are absolutely essential for me in defining what it means to me to be zoo, and visibility in a forum like this is not only comforting, but also a huge relief. it takes off a lot of the pressure of feeling alone and guilty, plus is a great avenue to share stories and/or experiences that other 'regular' dog owners wouldn't appreciate or understand.</soapbox>*phew*I should have a character limit, i swear!! sorry for rambling. This is a really, really great topic. Thanks OP, when I can give ratings I'll be sure to hand you your 10! thanks also for everyone who has replied, I've learned a lot reading your responses.discussion = awesome

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