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About 3 years ago as I started to train neighbours dog , on a step by step instruction from a married german woman on the internet. I did find my husbands secret Hard Disc with all the passwords, chatrooms paysites ect. I was chating alot in the ,,[SPAM] bestiality chat,,. I was there every day becouse I needed to know all about animals especialy about sex with animals. There I have met a girl with the nick,,Pagan_Girl,,We chated every day for hours on yahoo messenger,and we got along very nicely. Actualy more than nicely, as I could not get enough of her and her knowledge and experiences with animals, sothat we ended up having sybersex online. It was great, and I did not believe that love on the internet could eventuate. But it did, I must admit that I was in love with a woman. But I'm not starting this new topic to admit my weaknes, but I'm asking someone to comment on the paganism and bestiality. That girl told me lots about theyr custom and comunity rules , and I wonder if I was to naive at that time and belived what she has told me. She told me that they lived on a small farm here in australia, And yes in that area afe many small farms and somy hippy comunes. They lived in total isolation, and they ruler was what they called whizzard or wizzard. They were about 200 people with slightly larger number of females. They had absolutely unrestricted sex with each other or any animals they desired, but they had one rule,, they had to let others know what they are about to do, sothat everyone was welcome to join in. They lived as married pairs, but theyr marriage ceremone was rather wierd. On they weddings ,the bride must submit hersenf to whoever want to have sex with her, but before that, she must have sex with 4 types of animals sothat any mens sperm will be destroyed, and she would not concieve from other man. Theyr income was from prostitution, they had some best looking women driven to a big city to have sax for money, becouse the comunity did not produce much to live on. Ok, thats just few things I can not forget, but the reason I'm puting this here today is to hear from all you people becouse I belive now that I was to naive. Or was I ? please comment,,,,,,,,,,,cheers, zennie
Ok first off speaking as a practicing wicca and a pagan....i would have to say that it would depend on her coven. Some covens are like that, however most are not. Pagans and wiccans are nature loving and worshipping people, we embrace nature as whole. This however does not mean that we have sexual relations with objects in nature. We respect the laws of nature and are bound by the wiccan rede.....we are also not into animal sacrifice or any other kind of sacrifice. I hate to get all up on my little high horse here, but as a wiccan i feel that it should be addressed. If there are any others out there then by all means post. But from my experiance with covens and as a solitary practioner then no...her statements were a tad bit false. Love, light, and merry meet. Blessed Be!
WOW!k9 wiccan, you have made my day. Thank you very much.Honnestly I'm happy to know that I was not that much naive, becouse I belived her. Be blessed.zennie
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Because I guess religion is a seriously forbidden on this board, I here use paganism to mean some ancient myth-culture. In Greek myth there IS bestiality. Some Druids in Celt use bestiality to perform a god-worshipping rite. And in ancient Egypt, China, Maya, Aztec, there possibly being some bestiality "religious" rites. They probably think bestiality is a way to contact with nature, rather than sexual satisfactory.
QUOTE (k9wiccan @ Dec 23 2007, 04:57 AM) Ok first off speaking as a practicing wicca and a pagan....i would have to say that it would depend on her coven. Some covens are like that, however most are not. Pagans and wiccans are nature loving and worshipping people, we embrace nature as whole. This however does not mean that we have sexual relations with objects in nature. We respect the laws of nature and are bound by the wiccan rede.....we are also not into animal sacrifice or any other kind of sacrifice. I hate to get all up on my little high horse here, but as a wiccan i feel that it should be addressed. If there are any others out there then by all means post. But from my experiance with covens and as a solitary practioner then no...her statements were a tad bit false. Love, light, and merry meet. Blessed Be! I'm a bit confused here. I think Zennie was asking if pagan/wiccan allows or accepts sex with animals. Was the answer that it depends on the coven? I just would like a bit of clarity on this one and if you have further info it would be great.Thanks
Equineslurp, I appresiate every respond and every point of view, no matter how differend. But the very first respond from k9wiccan was spot on. Thats the direction I would like to have information about. Actualy I just wanted to confirm that I was not to naive. Not long ago perhaps two weeks ago someone here in this forum asked if there was a place where animal sex is common or permited, or something like that. Well there it is, it seems not to be a place but a lifestyle, or faith, or believe, or just whorshiping the nature. Now here is an Idea, just a Idea. If such siciety exists, or if newone is founded, and if it is managed wisely, on grounds of prosperity, health, selfsuportive, than others my follow. Especialy if the world gona plunge in turmoil. But I would love to know more about the rules rituals, and sexual practices in a cowen,,, ho knows,,,,,,one day ???
in a form of logic there maybe one or few small communities that do practice some form of shamanic, druid or Irish wittan ritual or some what follow the life style there of, but it sounds like, it's their own way. There is no right or wrong way of witch craft as long as it harms none. It does sound a little bit extreme to state that their only source of income is prostitution. sure sex is an in thing with those who practice the craft as it's part of life's cycle but to have sex as the marital ritual sounds over the top also saying that it depends on the individual/s if they are into sex or not there are events where wiccans, pagans, and all sorts of practitioners can congregate but I have heard of no communities here in Australia that live their lives similar to the Amish with Lust as a center of their ways personally the whole thing sounds a bit screwed up and some what fantasized
WolfLust, So you are australian. That pagan comune supouse to exist in Nango area . By the way, Did you follow the story about that girl from Queensland coast somewhere, her picture was on the front page of a Magazine Called,,Picture,, she was on the photo with two large Collumbian ratts attached to her breasts. Than the next day A differend news crew went to see her , and she admited that it was sexualy stimmulating to have ratts suckling on her breasts. Than after that news,,, the townfolks runn her out of town, After she was runn out of town, she went to live in a comune in northern NWS, where the women attached the animals not only to theyr breasts. And that ratt woman was instantly theyr Goddes. It was all in the papers few years back. So such or simular comunes do exist. Even here in Australia.
Yeah you'll find a lot more of the far-out communities up in northen NSW, its good country up there lots of cheap land, a bit of distance from the cities.Maybe a take a holiday up there, Nimbin would probably be a good place to start hanging round and may give you som clues as to what the local communes are like.
I belong to a circle (coven seems too structured to us), and whether privatly practised by some in our group, it is not sactioned generally. One statement is true, "no right or wrong way, if it harms none".I remember seeing a film back in the 60's about this primative tribe in the South Seas. A woman who lost her child while still nursing, had to suckle piglets until her milk dried up. While probably not done to enjoy beastial contact, I think ti was done so nothing is wasted, a very pagan concept indeed.May I use this chance to express my hopes that all in this group, no matter what their beliefs, no matter what holiday they celebrate, Hanukkah, Chirstmas, Kwanza or Yule, may it be blessed.
QUOTE (WolfLust @ Dec 23 2007, 08:23 AM) in a form of logic there maybe one or few small communities that do practice some form of shamanic, druid or Irish wittan ritual or some what follow the life style there of, but it sounds like, it's their own way. There is no right or wrong way of witch craft as long as it harms none. It does sound a little bit extreme to state that their only source of income is prostitution. sure sex is an in thing with those who practice the craft as it's part of life's cycle but to have sex as the marital ritual sounds over the top also saying that it depends on the individual/s if they are into sex or not there are events where wiccans, pagans, and all sorts of practitioners can congregate but I have heard of no communities here in Australia that live their lives similar to the Amish with Lust as a center of their ways personally the whole thing sounds a bit screwed up and some what fantasized *Frowns*Be careful before you start lobbing in phrases like Irish wiccan (which I presume you meant) ritual please!I'm Irish ..... the 100 per cent born and bred here and still living here variety ... and I have never heard of anything like this. I would appreciate if you didn't throw in comments blithely like this about people living in other countries
So that we're all clear here...Yes i'm sure that back in the olden times when paganism was not considered "taboo" then there probably was a lot of mating with animals. However, now a days in most wiccan/pagan circles you will not see it, hear of it or even know it is a way of life. Partly because now in most of those circles it is viewed as not communing with nature but taking advantage of nature and that is something that one who practices the faith most NEVER do. Pagans, wiccans, neo-shamans and druids are all bound by basically the same rede....if you take from nature then you MUST ask and replenish. So yes...when i said it depends upon the coven or practioner i was right....it depends upon what rituals they use when they "mate" with an animal. Anyways...hope that helps some people. If not check out a few websites on Wiccan and Paganism or read something by Scott Cunningham Brightest Blessings and Happy Yule!!!!
k9wiccan, Happy Yule to you to, but twice so much. Whatewer it is or whatewer it means. Thanks for your verry imformative post. You are saying that it depends upon what rituals the pagans or wiccans use to mate with animal. Well, that comment has made me think what rituals are we using to mate with animals? but I can not speak for enyone else but only for myself. So why am I having sex with a dog? I have comme to the following conglusion : I'm messuring my sexual happyness by the number of orgasms I atcheave during a sexual intercourse. I'm not messuring the intensity of love, becouse I know that I love my husband, and I love the dog I'm having loveaffaire with. By having sex with my husband ,or my premarrital sexual experinces, I have one or if I'm lucky two orgasms. But with a dog, I had sex with few dogs in my neighbourhood.I have 4 to 7 orgasms each time in one session of 30 to 45 minutes. Not to confuse you here becouse I'm saying 45 minutes, becouse having a dog the missionary style, I can hold him as long I want him in me, becouse it is so eazy to controll him thatway. Even after he is semy hard, and would eazily flopp out , i'm still having great leasure just have him in me. Many times I had more than 7 orgasms,, far more, but after it becomes to intensive and I loose the count becouse i lost time and space. So that is my reason why I'm mating with dogs. But whatever reason the pagans, wiccans or whoever have sex with animals,, does not realy matter to me , as long it feels good to them, and the animals involved. I remember some newspaper reports , (negative reports) about the treehuggers. So what? three is a living thing, and a tree does not discriminate to whom it gives shade or fruit. But the people seem to have differend effections for a tree. Ok thats all, ,,cheerszennie
I was always very interested in Druidism. In many games that involve Druids, they're also related with animals such as wolves. And there's wolf totem worshipping in more than a few ancient religions.And in a Chinese folklore, a princess married a dog, and derived a tribe.
Hi Just too add my 10 pennies worth the Pagan way of life is to respect nature in all her glories and i have found that a true Pagan or Wiccan will not talk about the life style too much as it could confuse a person. As a Pagan i have never forced myself on a human or animal lady so for someone too be told that they must have sex with 4 animals too me would be a disrespect too that person , to the animal, and to their Coven. When I make love with my Dane Bitch it is a warm and loving embrace of life and of mutual desire. I have kept this short as would not want to bore anyone for too long. heares to a Happy New Year too you all and may our life style be less dificult in 2008. Blessed Be....
jpetlove, thanks If all beople would be like you, I think that there would be less troube in this world. cheers zennie
QUOTE (curious1looking @ Dec 23 2007, 09:13 PM)QUOTE (WolfLust @ Dec 23 2007, 08:23 AM) in a form of logic there maybe one or few small communities that do practice some form of shamanic, druid or Irish wittan ritual or some what follow the life style there of, but it sounds like, it's their own way. There is no right or wrong way of witch craft as long as it harms none. It does sound a little bit extreme to state that their only source of income is prostitution. sure sex is an in thing with those who practice the craft as it's part of life's cycle but to have sex as the marital ritual sounds over the top also saying that it depends on the individual/s if they are into sex or not there are events where wiccans, pagans, and all sorts of practitioners can congregate but I have heard of no communities here in Australia that live their lives similar to the Amish with Lust as a center of their ways personally the whole thing sounds a bit screwed up and some what fantasized *Frowns*Be careful before you start lobbing in phrases like Irish wiccan (which I presume you meant) ritual please!I'm Irish ..... the 100 per cent born and bred here and still living here variety ... and I have never heard of anything like this. I would appreciate if you didn't throw in comments blithely like this about people living in other countries You may want to read this book before you get too bent out of shape Courious... Or google Irish wiccan ritual
I have made the aquaintance of many Wiccan women online through social networking sites and I have always found them to be at least tolerant and often curious about bestiality. I think this is because of the tolerant nature of their belief systems and also their desire to be as close as possible to the wild and natural and to value it very highly.dogsR
QUOTE (zennie @ Dec 23 2007, 05:47 PM) WolfLust, So you are australian. That pagan comune supouse to exist in Nango area . By the way, Did you follow the story about that girl from Queensland coast somewhere, her picture was on the front page of a Magazine Called,,Picture,, she was on the photo with two large Collumbian ratts attached to her breasts. Than the next day A differend news crew went to see her , and she admited that it was sexualy stimmulating to have ratts suckling on her breasts. Than after that news,,, the townfolks runn her out of town, After she was runn out of town, she went to live in a comune in northern NWS, where the women attached the animals not only to theyr breasts. And that ratt woman was instantly theyr Goddes. It was all in the papers few years back. So such or simular comunes do exist. Even here in Australia. ok interesting I was passing through Nanango the other night too I guess I need to do a little more research .... thanks for the notation I'll be a little more aware
QUOTE (Nitely @ Jan 2 2008, 07:18 AM) QUOTE (curious1looking @ Dec 23 2007, 09:13 PM)QUOTE (WolfLust @ Dec 23 2007, 08:23 AM) in a form of logic there maybe one or few small communities that do practice some form of shamanic, druid or Irish wittan ritual or some what follow the life style there of, but it sounds like, it's their own way. There is no right or wrong way of witch craft as long as it harms none. It does sound a little bit extreme to state that their only source of income is prostitution. sure sex is an in thing with those who practice the craft as it's part of life's cycle but to have sex as the marital ritual sounds over the top also saying that it depends on the individual/s if they are into sex or not there are events where wiccans, pagans, and all sorts of practitioners can congregate but I have heard of no communities here in Australia that live their lives similar to the Amish with Lust as a center of their ways personally the whole thing sounds a bit screwed up and some what fantasized *Frowns*Be careful before you start lobbing in phrases like Irish wiccan (which I presume you meant) ritual please!I'm Irish ..... the 100 per cent born and bred here and still living here variety ... and I have never heard of anything like this. I would appreciate if you didn't throw in comments blithely like this about people living in other countries You may want to read this book before you get too bent out of shape Courious... Or google Irish wiccan ritual thanks for the reference Nightly appreciated .... always looking for input though I have already red some of edain McCoy's material...and Curious1looking, no I actually meant witta it is a little more backdated in it's traditions than the wicca I'm led to believe though very similar. I haven't been able to find much about it other than some references of it's existence I do keep saying people take things I say the wrong way ... please OBSERVE a little better before you start putting up your hackles I don't say things to upset any one ...I find nothing wrong with Irish ways of living or their beliefs, I have a lot of Scottish blood in veins so I'm close to home...read the whole of what I said again and try to understand why I said it in the first place that means read also the first post in the thread.... YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW ANNOYING IT IS WHEN PEOPLE HAVE A GO AT ME FOR THINGS, WHEN THEY ONLY THINK THEY HAVE THE WHOLE PICTURE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DANG!!
I would think that any modern day wicca, pagan or practicing witch would at least be understanding about bestiality. What could there possibly be in their particular beliefs systems that would make them be against it.
However, not all Pagans and Wiccans are tolerant and willing to except this particular lifestyle. It's a choice and just because we are respectful nature worshippers does not in fact make us Zoo. The same goes that one could say that most wiccans/pagans are in fact lesbians agian not true....it's a lifestyle choice. I choose to be what i am, do i practice wicca yes, do i participate in beast sex no, am i a lesbian not by a long shot. Yes i would love to at least try k9, but i don't see it happening. And i have been with another woman but they are not a part of me being wiccan. Agian they are lifestyle choices and not every pagan or wiccan will participate in them. Hope everyone here understands that....Blessed Be
wiccans, pagans or whatever you got me realy comfused. You K9wiccan, you eve bering the name that suggests that you are into dogs, but you are saying that you are not into animals, but you would like to try with dogs. Would it not be more apropriate to try dogs first, and if you like it,, than asume that nick ? So I wonder why are you here ?cheers
Oh dear ... as Juliet said "What's in a name? A rose by any other name..." We seem unable to get beyond that puritan witchcraft obsession of the 16th and 17th centuries.We have heard from three members who embrace the Wicca/Pagan religion and yet their voice seems to go unheard!referring to zennie's original post re bestiality:k9wiccan Posted: Dec 23 2007, 04:57 AM QUOTE Some covens are like that, however most are not. warrior44_us Posted: Dec 23 2007, 04:10 PM QUOTE I belong to a circle (coven seems too structured to us), and whether privatly practised by some in our group, it is not sactioned generally.... and I can also understand curious1looking's indignation at the use of a national (Irish) tag. Such terms are easily misunderstood and just these few posts have shown how little common understanding there is.One of BF's greatest strengths is the tolerance and respect for others viewpoints - and that extends to usernames - many here have some species tag as part of their username - but it is generally taken as indicating a particular interest and not necessarily actual physical involvement.Perhaps we should be less concerned about the exotic habits real or imagined of other cultures and rather more with ensuring that we lead our own lives in the spirit that our 'Wicca' members have indicated.warrior44_us Posted: Dec 23 2007, 04:10 PM QUOTE "no right or wrong way, if it harms none".P.S Don't believe evrything you read in newspapers!!! Orlanda
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And i name can mean many things.....i'm a avid dog lover, i would rather own dogs than cats anyday of the week, hence the k9 part tis better then spelling out cainine don't you think. I'm also a wiccan so there you have it my name here. As for why i'm here, gathering information, before i jump head first into a fantasy/desire that i've had for a while. Which last time i looked was the purpose of all the how-to threads and in part this board. But back on topic in response to silkythighs, though many will not openly condone beastiality, they will not openly condemn it either. Goes back to lifestyle choices and beliefs.
K9wiccan, thanks for your explanation. So I will bear in mind that the nick does not nessesary represents the person. for example, if the nick is Georgina it could be actualy George. Nevertheless we are here in this wonderfull forum, and we all can learn a lot here. And let us not start a battle of the wiccans, and let love our animals , especialy dogs, hmmmmmmmmcheers
I think you did the right thing. You wasn't to naive
Was just wondering after reading the topic started by Zennie if any member would like to start a Pagan/Wicca group as their seems to be a few of us on here. I would start this myself but not sure how to go about it and do not want to get into trouble with the mods. Here is to a Blessed Meet.
Wow, thanks. A good thread and I enjoyed Peeking in and seeing what it was all about. My thanks for all the good information that I'd of not otherwise been privy to. Hope that all are well with all.A 10 to all.
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My apologies I've only recently returned to this thread and unsure how to quote what some individual posters said in this response ....... so am doing the best I can Nitely I'm perfectly entitled to take exception when the Irish are singled out particularly for anything ...... and "get bent out of shape" ..... there was no need to single us out in particularWolflust With respect you should be more sensitive to what you say and not pick out individual races and I OBSERVED quite sufficiently thank you in my opinion ... I'm not surprised people "have a go at you" ..... try reading your comments sometimes maybe and think would you be offended if you were that nationality ? Orlando Lupae..... Thank you for understanding my indignation at the use of national labels / tags .... and you're quite right about the usernames ..... I for example came across a user name recently of BloodyIrish ...... I could complain that is racist and it is from an Irish person's viewpoint ..... I am not going to but it is very offensive.For the record I have no problem with how others live their lives or their beliefs even when different to mine ..... but please do not single out a whole country unnecessarily and lob us all together.
[B]curious1looking posted: QUOTE Nitely I'm perfectly entitled to take exception when the Irish are singled out particularly for anything ...... and "get bent out of shape" ..... there was no need to single us out in particularYou stated you had never heard of such a think in Ireland. I simply pointed out it does exist, to you and is practiced to this day. Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it isn't there... Capice?
curious1looking, I understand your point. I think that most of us have some national pride, but I hope that noone will crack an Irish joke here. Lol
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One of the most famous accounts of bestiality, was to have suppose to have happened in Cefalu in Sicily, the Abbey of Thelema, run by Aleister Crowley.Leah Hirsig a disciple of Crowleys, was to supposed to had sex with a goat, in a recreation of the Egyptian ritual, the ram/goat of mendes ceremony.It is said that the goat refused to carry out the act and Crowley strangled the animal in temper and was forced to do the act himself.This is the only record of any bestiality committed by Crowley, but the information is not conclusive.
in the nordic-german ásatrú-religion, bestiality is part of the mythology but i never heard of rituals including bestiality or that its common under the ásatrú. maybe because only the "bad guys" gone to bed with animals and the rest had just a normal friendshiplike relationship with their animals.
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QUOTE (zennie @ Jan 4 2008, 01:34 AM) curious1looking, I understand your point. I think that most of us have some national pride, but I hope that noone will crack an Irish joke here. Lol Me too because I'm Irish myself...
QUOTE (Nitely @ Jan 4 2008, 07:18 AM) [B]curious1looking posted: QUOTE Nitely I'm perfectly entitled to take exception when the Irish are singled out particularly for anything ...... and "get bent out of shape" ..... there was no need to single us out in particularYou stated you had never heard of such a think in Ireland. I simply pointed out it does exist, to you and is practiced to this day. Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it isn't there... Capice? I meant the specific practices zennie referred to her in her original post not the practice of Wicca / Druidism etc itself
I have to remember to come back to read all of this thread. Quite interesting. I do classify myself Pagan. However the fact that I have a beasty curiosity is simply a matter of chance. Although, I can see the reason that others with the interest may have found an added demension to their practices and rites.I was flipping through a book on Celts(always trying to further my knowlege of that part of my ancestry) not too long ago(can't recall the title just the cover pic lol) I was quite surprised to find mention of kings in Ulster having intercourse with horses in honor of and to connect with the goddess Epona(Mare).Even without my given curiosity, I can objectively see the reason some may enjoy sex with a favored or representative animal of their chosen gods and goddesses. It does make a fair ammount of sense. Ultimately, it all depends upon the individual and how they choose to express their own spirituality.
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