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I'm not too sure I understand this forum. Sometimes everyone says it's so wrong to force an animal, and that those who do are to be banned. But then, we have this post talking about buying a dog. Not just normally buying a dog, but buying one with sex in mind. In the video and picture forum, we have pics of women dildogging. I'm not too sure, but shouldn't dildogging not be allowed? It seems like the animal is being forced to mate in an akward manner.Correct me if I'm wrong, but people seem to be divided in those ways.It's almost like religion, some people choose to follow this belief, and so they form a new branch. That's how we are. We have branched from animal sex into beastiality and zoophilia.If ever we wanted this to be accepted, we have to branch back into a single group under a unique code of ethics and principals.
QUOTE (Shadow @ Mar 21 2004, 06:13 PM) In the video and picture forum, we have pics of women dildogging. I'm not too sure, but shouldn't dildogging not be allowed? It seems like the animal is being forced to mate in an akward manner. i never liked "dildogging" myself, but i did not know what the correct term for it was. i don't think that it is natural at all for the dog and that if someone wants to be in a sexual relationship with their dog...they should just let it happen naturally.
QUOTE (lornstarshine @ Mar 21 2004, 12:37 PM) QUOTE (Shadow @ Mar 21 2004, 06:13 PM) In the video and picture forum, we have pics of women dildogging. I'm not too sure, but shouldn't dildogging not be allowed? It seems like the animal is being forced to mate in an akward manner. i never liked "dildogging" myself, but i did not know what the correct term for it was. i don't think that it is natural at all for the dog and that if someone wants to be in a sexual relationship with their dog...they should just let it happen naturally. Hello. I feel that this is exactly right. My beliefs are very strong. I feel that any extension of a loving relationship, ie: sex should occur naturally. If it does not progress in a manner that both participating partners feel comfortable with then it is wrong. When you cross that line you move into forcing the animal and ultimately raping it. You give up an eternity of love for a worthless 5 mins when acts like that occur.
QUOTE (---2--- @ Mar 21 2004, 07:57 PM) sex should occur naturally. If it does not progress in a manner that both participating partners feel comfortable with then it is wrong. When you cross that line you move into forcing the animal and ultimately raping it. You give up an eternity of love for a worthless 5 mins when acts like that occur. This is nice but it won't hold film producers back from making "dildogging" movies....as long as there are people out there who don't know it's not good and pay $$$ for their internet porn they wank off to.About those idiots who force their animals and enjoy it:I'm sure they will NEVER come to such places like this and speak for themselves.They simply don't have the guts.And they miss what it feels like to build up a bond with your love from scratch to the bedroom It's not an easy way to sex but it's really worth waiting
I agree in full. and I don't like dildogging abit, but like Bitchfool said, It won't make the producers stop. They don't care for the animals, they don't see them as lovers and partners, they seem to view them as form of source of money making.There is a GREAT deal of people that jack off to pix and videos of people having sex with animals without knowing Jack-Shit about the way animals work, or function. I have talked to some others, and have to agree with them when they say that most that get porn from the net or in the stores don't really see the beauty of the relationship between man & animal, Most stuff is with women and animals, and this is a form for many to "degrade" women as they find it a way to make women inferior to them. This is something I can't see or figure out, as I feel that having sex and a deep relationship with an animal or two is special and I view them if not as equal then definately as superior.I am sure as been stated that those who force their animals won't come here.
QUOTE (Svadilfari @ Mar 21 2004, 09:11 PM)I agree in full. and I don't like dildogging abit, but like Bitchfool said, It won't make the producers stop. They don't care for the animals, they don't see them as lovers and partners, they seem to view them as form of source of money making.There is a GREAT deal of people that jack off to pix and videos of people having sex with animals without knowing Jack-Shit about the way animals work, or function. I have talked to some others, and have to agree with them when they say that most that get porn from the net or in the stores don't really see the beauty of the relationship between man & animal, Most stuff is with women and animals, and this is a form for many to "degrade" women as they find it a way to make women inferior to them. This is something I can't see or figure out, as I feel that having sex and a deep relationship with an animal or two is special and I view them if not as equal then definately as superior.I am sure as been stated that those who force their animals won't come here.I think you've said it all there, Svadilfari
QUOTE (Shadow @ Mar 21 2004, 06:13 PM) I'm not too sure I understand this forum. Sometimes everyone says it's so wrong to force an animal, and that those who do are to be banned. But then, we have this post talking about buying a dog. Not just normally buying a dog, but buying one with sex in mind. Regrettably we have to accept that animals are still "property" and if you want to get a dog, horse or whatever it's probably going to involve a monetary transaction, unless you get very lucky.That said just buying an animal for sex is, IMHO, completely wrong. Buying one with the hope of forming a loving partnership that might, hopefully, become a physical relationship is another matter.Dildogging (whoever thought up that word is a *genius*) quite frankly bores me stupid (as does most if not all commercial beastie porn). I can see why a director would use the shot though as it affords the best view of penetration which is what the majority of viewers (I guess) would want. I suppose that it doesn't bother the dog that much eirther as a male dog once his knot has swelled in a bitch will throw his leg over and complete the mating "bum to bum" so I guess that it doesn't hurt.Still boring though Drac
QUOTE (dracunculus @ Mar 21 2004, 10:52 PM) I suppose that it doesn't bother the dog that much eirther as a male dog once his knot has swelled in a bitch will throw his leg over and complete the mating "bum to bum" so I guess that it doesn't hurt.Still boring though Drac I have said it once in a similar thread.Standing there and cuming all over is natural to the dog.Dildogging might not hurt him - it's just..annoying to see.
Shadow likes to bring these topics up every once in a while so here goes my views. to me Dildogging is unnatural and unacceptable. the woman/ man should get much more pleasure from the dog pounding their loins into their backside. Also about "buying a dog for sex". It may come off sounding like that but many here mean they would buy a puppy raise a trusing relationship and if the trust and love is there have relations with him/ her. they would never buy a dog abuse it, [CENSOR] it, and not care for it. Plus its like any relationship. you have to come in contact with your partner before you can get it on. Just my opinion tho
QUOTE (Airman1415 @ Mar 21 2004, 11:51 PM) The woman/ man should get much more pleasure from the dog pounding their loins into their backside. I agree, The man/woman should be getting Lots more fun being pounded by the dog.What also has to be brought into mind, is that there are MANY MANY animals out there that get abused and get treated really bad. There are those who has animals that are neglected, starving, standing in their own filth for months, Extremely Crappy conditions, and now some goverments are trying to get at zoophiles, for "abusing" them sexually.So many do see animals as pure property and something which one can treat in any way they like. Damn what a species we are.
this is such a touchy subject...while i dont beleive anyone should hurt an animal, bondage and forced sex [if done gently] seem ok to me. Im mostly talking about farm animals here...goats, sheep, hogs, etc. that people usually slaughter, never even thinking of sex with them. I happen to like being put in bondage and forced myself, and i like the idea of being put in bondage with animals. I would like to be fucked by a pony or a min. horse, and thats possible with the animal in bondage so it can only move its hips enough to push about half its big cock into me...and me under it, maybe on a bench...also in bondage. otherwise, it would tear me up, and i know it. I could go on , but ill most likely catch hell for saying what i already have said on this subject. those who dont like what i said will mostly be people who have never lived on a farm...well, i have.
QUOTE (furshamed @ Mar 22 2004, 11:33 AM)this is such a touchy subject...while i dont beleive anyone should hurt an animal, bondage and forced sex [if done gently] seem ok to me. Im mostly talking about farm animals here...goats, sheep, hogs, etc. that people usually slaughter, never even thinking of sex with them. I happen to like being put in bondage and forced myself, and i like the idea of being put in bondage with animals. I would like to be fucked by a pony or a min. horse, and thats possible with the animal in bondage so it can only move its hips enough to push about half its big cock into me...and me under it, maybe on a bench...also in bondage. otherwise, it would tear me up, and i know it. I could go on , but ill most likely catch hell for saying what i already have said on this subject. those who dont like what i said will mostly be people who have never lived on a farm...well, i have. Furshame, furshame, furshame!!! .... Hon animals are not like people!!! People are capable of reasoning that being tied and bound is a temporary act that we have "Chosen" to engage in ....but animals cant reason that out nor was it their choice to be tied and bound.... All it knows is that its being tied and bound and that they too may have the smell of death on them at the end of whatever is happening to them...and for what? All so that you can feel it thrusting in and out of you for all of what? 20 minutes???....So all you are doing is creating panic and stress in the animal......Can't you see that? Is there no compassion in your heart for that? I'm not trying to act like some kind of Anti anti right wing right to animal life moralist.... but to casually say that these are animals that are going to the slaughter house anyways so there for they dont count or it does not matter is wrong and in humane..... Even tho we eat them we still should not be torturing them.... I know only in perfect world does such a thing exsist and well okay I accept that but does not mean I will ever condon it and does not mean I wont always choose a more humane way of doing it.....and never would I ever consider adding panic and stress during their last few minutes of life.I'm not mad at you hon but stuff like this does sadden me because I know it goes on and I know that you are probably tame by comparison.....Wendy
Hey all This is Furshamed sister. I just want to explain his postion a little better than I think he can. He in no way hurts animals. It was said that animals can't tell the difference in being bound to be hurt that is not true. Most tame animals are bound at one point in their lives. You put collars on them. and at first they don't like it but then the realize that you are not going to hurt them. When you break a horse is is scared until it realizes that you are not going to hurt it. It is to me the same thing. If you take you time and show the animal that it isn't a act of pain inflication and that it is not going to be hurt in any way than the animal will enjoy the act. To say that animals can't reason is not true. You of all people should know just how smart they can be. Furshamed does not believe in hurting any animal. But he doesn't want to be physiclly hurt himself. There are times in animal relationships there has to be some kind of restraint or both parties could be hurt. Expecally when you are dealing with larger animals. Sometimes it is necessary to have restraints to prevent that from happening. People have a certain image of bondage as being a bad thing. When there is pain and or death involved it is wrong. That is not what Furshamed is into. Its not like he is going to just walk up to an animal and tie it up and do his thing. He is a very caring person and I didn't want you to think any thing bad about him. Sometines he just doesn't explain himself as well as he should. Thanks for letting me put my two cents in. I'm not into animals myself, but i've always stood up for my brother when he needed me and hes always done the same for me.
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First: Furshameds Sister: Wonderfull explained I doupt he would have intedned to do force the animal into bondage (not my thing ). I see what you mean, a dog wears a colar or a harness - i wouldnt call that bondage As for horses, has anyone of you ever seen a platemail made for a warhorse? Is held by several leatherstraps all around the body of the horse. On the belly, the chest, neck, hindlegs and sometimes even hips. And those horses were trained to wear this stuff... I wouldnt call that bondage either I know i know, bad example but it was the only thing that came to my mind The dildoging part was allready explained so i wont bother to push this further. I can only add i also find it boring What next, buying... Sadly its the only way to 'purchase' a animal. I dont like the word as i dont 'buy' myslef a animal, i exchange the permission to care for him/her and the honor to live with him/her for money. I also dont call myself 'owner' im just the partner of the animal... Only on paper (and maybe on Computer) its written that im the owner - but not in my mind! Im not his master not his owner only his partner and mate!As for buying a animal only for sex is IMHO not only wrong but also very immoral! But sometimes which we should think a bit further - what is the better choice: live and only sex or death?The first option allways contains the possibility to find love and build a bond betweend animal and human - my current lover wasnt my dog and i didnt cared for him the first two years of his live but now i love him like nothing else. The scond choice contains nothing else then death, so whats better?To me sex never ment much, i allways liked the wuzzy feeling of real love. The closeness to my mates, the warm loving feeling i felt when i was with them, the feeling of being 'complete' when i was with my first love! Thats one the reasons im still virgin to animals and humans - to keep these feelings instead of enjoing a few minutes of sex and losing them afterwards... (of course i need to add i knew nothing about canince anatomy and therefor i was to afraid i could hur her )
hay all I just asked this same question the other day.. I was asking if you all thought it was the same for the animal side of the act when its being dildoed. or if its going at it the normal way. I feel that if you are in an intamate act with your loving pet than you would want both paries to be enjoying the time you having , and when I see soone dildoing a dog I feel that its only the girl / guy who is having the pleasure. I hope Im not stepping out of line sence im not one of your major site workers I still cant figure out how to post movies, but i am for the animals and and i just wanted to share. thanks for the chance.
it,s like I said before in a post I posted in the old forum , People who get animals solely for sex are sick if you force any animal for sex you are nothing more than a rapist and should be treated as one .this is just my view?
Part of me wishes a dog would force me into being his bitch.
QUOTE (Svadilfari @ Mar 21 2004, 09:11 PM) I agree in full. and I don't like dildogging abit, but like Bitchfool said, It won't make the producers stop. They don't care for the animals, they don't see them as lovers and partners, they seem to view them as form of source of money making.There is a GREAT deal of people that jack off to pix and videos of people having sex with animals without knowing Jack-Shit about the way animals work, or function. I have talked to some others, and have to agree with them when they say that most that get porn from the net or in the stores don't really see the beauty of the relationship between man & animal, Most stuff is with women and animals, and this is a form for many to "degrade" women as they find it a way to make women inferior to them. This is something I can't see or figure out, as I feel that having sex and a deep relationship with an animal or two is special and I view them if not as equal then definately as superior.I am sure as been stated that those who force their animals won't come here. You know, I will watch zoo movies or view pics sometimes -- but have never, ever found any arousal from "dildogging" movies. If the animal isn't into it, it's just a turn off for me. I get more turned on by simply staring at a dogs face, no sexual stuff involved.
QUOTE (furshamed @ Mar 22 2004, 06:34 PM) Hey all This is Furshamed sister. I just want to explain his postion a little better than I think he can. He in no way hurts animals. It was said that animals can't tell the difference in being bound to be hurt that is not true. Most tame animals are bound at one point in their lives. You put collars on them. and at first they don't like it but then the realize that you are not going to hurt them. When you break a horse is is scared until it realizes that you are not going to hurt it. It is to me the same thing. If you take you time and show the animal that it isn't a act of pain inflication and that it is not going to be hurt in any way than the animal will enjoy the act. To say that animals can't reason is not true. You of all people should know just how smart they can be. Furshamed does not believe in hurting any animal. But he doesn't want to be physiclly hurt himself. There are times in animal relationships there has to be some kind of restraint or both parties could be hurt. Expecally when you are dealing with larger animals. Sometimes it is necessary to have restraints to prevent that from happening. People have a certain image of bondage as being a bad thing. When there is pain and or death involved it is wrong. That is not what Furshamed is into. Its not like he is going to just walk up to an animal and tie it up and do his thing. He is a very caring person and I didn't want you to think any thing bad about him. Sometines he just doesn't explain himself as well as he should. Thanks for letting me put my two cents in. I'm not into animals myself, but i've always stood up for my brother when he needed me and hes always done the same for me. Hi Furshame's Sister!!!! (get your own ID gurl!!!) lol Okay ... thank you for explaining that to me and I do understand better now although in all honesty I still do not know how comfortable I am with the whole thing .... And although I dont know your brother all that well in the few exchanges I have had with him in my heart I know he would never hurt an animal thats why I said I was not mad at him.One thing is certain he sure has an awesome sister and it was touching to read you come to his defense the way that you did. Wendy
I think dildoging is wrong. If the dog won't mount the woman & mate with her doggystyle, then the woman and dog should not have sex. It is not natural for a dog to mate that way & could hurt the dog. I believe the dog is being forced to mate with the woman when they are dildoging. The same can also be said when a woman straddles a dog. We all know that male dogs like human pussy & will mount a woman when aroused enough. If the dog is not mating with the woman doggystyle, I am really not into watching or seeing it. That is afterall, how male dogs mate with female dogs.
My .02 c worth is that dildogging is not natural, nor does it do much for me, it doesn't injure the animal, but is still not something I care to see. The feel of being enthusiastically pounded is one that is indescribable, and an act of love and lust.Liambackdoor
Very interesting discussion here!Well first of all I don't like dildogging; not the idea, not the sight. I'm a huge humping freak here and my point of view using an animal sex toy is just plain wrong.Let me tell you more about my situation; I had my first experience with my best friend's Dobermann. I've always had a great realtionship with him, in fact he considers me like his second master. I've always felt a deep affection towards that dog and I realy loved him. He actualy "introduced" me into the whole thing. I had some fantasies about having sex with dogs but never knew I would actualy do it. I was staying over and was having some fun with myself. He came over to me and started licking my private parts. I still can't explain the excitement I felt. I let him lick me and after some forplay we went all the way. Afterwards I was totaly confused. What had I done, was I mentaly ill, ... (you all know the feeling)Afterwards I wanted to get myself a dog; not for having sew with a dog but to be able to feel the same thing I felt for the dobb. Hope this doesn't sound hypocrite but this was just how I felt. I wait for like 2 years to get my own dog so you can't say at all it took it lightly! I built up a great realtionship with him and after he was old enough I started training him but very slowly, at first I though it would never work out but I didn't care too much about it back then.After a full year of training (so 4 years of waiting before we had sex) he was fully up to it and I still remember the first time he mounted me and went for it. I think I kissed and stroked him for more then an hour afterwards! I think the sex has only improved our relationship and has brough it to another level although that doesn't mean at all you need to have sex to have a extremly good relationship with your pet.I don't consider my pet as my property; I take care of him and he takes care of me.I treat him like a dog (don't treat animals like humans) and that doesn't mean at all I take full control of him. I teach him how to behave and don't let him dominate me, that's all. I've never let him do anything that he didn't want to do and was bad for him.I have done some things that he didn't want to do but were good for him (like teaching him to walk with a leach when he was a little pup, you should have seen him go mental ).The subject is quite complex; I consider my dog as equal and I would risk my life to save his but that doesn't mean I let him do as he likes.Hope this all doesn't sound to crazy and hypocrte, but this thread realy made me think. Members like --2--, HR and svadilfari made very big impression on me, can't agree more!
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Personally, and this is only my opinion for me personally here... to me it is absolutely wrong to force an animal or anyone or thing into something, especially sex. To me, "Dildogging" is abuse and I won't have any form of pics or vids of it.You are right that in order for this to be accepted it will have to be as one group with good ethics and principles but there is one problem...Alot of people who call themselves "zoo" don't really have an understanding of what it means, and therefore they still have sex with animals. usually many, any, and all animals they come in contact with, and in rough ways.Yes, I do believe there is a need for a split into at least two distinct [SPAM]... as they are... "Zoo's" and "Beasties". "Zoophilia" = fondness and attraction to animals; a deep overwhelming love for non human animals; a deviation towards sex with animals. "Beastiality" = sexual gratification with an animal; engaging in sexual acts with non human animals.The True Zoo is one who adores, loves, cares for deeply, and would even be a martyr for their loved one, whereas beasties only USE animals for their own personal satisfaction without regard to the animal as a living loving being.I am a zoo but I don't really prefer that either because too many associate the term with beasties.... I prefer petlover/petslover/pet-lover, any of the three As for buying a dog just for sex, to me again that would be the same as buying a hooker or slave... which I think they need to do something about making a law prohibiting high prices on animals like they do - it IS slavery to buy and sell life period... you are buying and selling into bondage just like all the slaves all over the world.Therefore, it is wrong... but again that is me... As far as principles go... I have been into animal rights and other [SPAM] before that help save animals from suffering and danger but I never have let on to my lifestyle with them... you simply can't. I would help an animal in distress but if someone had a animal lover... as long as they were showing love and treating their partner with respect and dignity, then by all means they should make love together if their love goes that deep.Always remember this... people are individual with their own minds and they will believe how they will, so in a way it is like religion because I can't think of one that agrees with another either... ;lol:No offense to anyone please... this is only myself personally...
I so agree, i never liked the "dildogging" you can just see that the dogs don't like it and are not really enjoying it. I can't understand how anyone could force or hurt a dog just for sex, let's face it, the 5-30 mins or how ever long it lasts, is just not worth it. It is so much better when you take the time to truely love the animal, get to know it, know it's individural personality, and slowly move to sex, as a extension of love, not lust, and it is so much better, so much more intense, and the love that will be shared is 1000 times better and stronger, and it is so much better and intense to be makeing love to an animal that wants to make love back to you, not just stand there afraid of being hurt if he/she don't do what you want. I feel very strongly about this. I can't even concider being sexural with another female dog, being exclusive female dog zoo, especialy if it is another zoo's girl, until at the very least i spend lots of time getting to know her first, and then only then if she is ok and wants it, and even then the situation has to be just right, i much muhc prefer to be with my own girl. I've only really been with a couple other than my own, and they were very special ocasions. Sex just needs to be based on love not lust. Sorry about the strong feelings but that is just teh way i feel about it. I don't mean to belittle anyone in anyway, just stating how i feel. Tundra
I thought I would add a reminder here now that I am seeing this thread re-brought up... you can view the whole taboo sticky here but I thought I would post this part here as a reminder! BEAST ZOO DEFINITIONS: We have working definitions for this site for these terms - WE DON'T CARE what any dictionary defines them as - let me repeat - WE DON'T CARE -these are the definitions that stand for this site:zoo - one who is exclusive in thier relationship(s) with animals and is "in love" with animals like the traditional sense of humans being in love. beast - one who loves and cares for animals -engages in sexual activities with animals -but is not exclusive -and is not 'in love" with thier animal.THESE ARE IN STONE -and have been argued on this forum way too many times - DO NOT refer to our members who consider themselves beast by our definition as raapist -or not "true zoos" or somehow less than a zoo exclusive - THIS IS A FORUM for EVERYONE interested -there are different interest here -some members may be here because they have a significant other who is interested -there are lots of members who are here because they are sexually aroused by those who are active but not active themselves and have genuine motives - there are many reasons why members are here - ANYONE making ANY comment that they are not as valuable of members to this forum because of thier lack of being active -or level of involvment will be BANNED IMMEDIATELY! It is NOT UP FOR CONVERSATION OR DEBATE! JUST DON'T DO IT!
I HATE dildogging, i think its so unatural... and ina way whats the piont? just buy a frigging dildo...lmao! The thought of a dog mouting you is so more erotic and natural, that is why i like it.I remember i saw a picture aggeess ago of this bloke who tied up a goat and held its back legs up to him so he could get his cock in! now that is bloody creul.. not natural at all and the animal has no freedom to do it...I find... if an animal *wants* to do it then thats ok... if a dogs wishes to mount you and enjoys it then it is ok... And saying that people just buy a dog for sexual perposes is silly... Ive always wanted a dog for as long as i can remember (even before i was into zoo) and the fact of my always wanted one has drawn me closer into getting one.I work allday with people who have dogs, freinds, people at work... and i feel im missing out.. I have always loved dog behaviour anyway and i love the fact of walking dogs and one just to be your dog companion or sleep on your bed, or just to be by your side is lovely... and i feel i will be connected even more now that over the past 4years im becomming more into zoo.
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we seem to mostly all be on the same page. I also strongly disagree with dildoing. I see it as not giving the animal the choice. Shure it could turn around and just bite you but that would go against all it was tought. If you want to practice dildoing go buy a dildo. you would get the same effect. And as for the forced sex issue, You being tied up and raped by your dog is one thing, Hell I would love that but it cant go the other way around. that is wrong.
My vote goes to Svadil... he says it very well!!.. cheers guys ...BZ.
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As seems to be the case with just about everyone who has posted in this thread, I too am against "dildogging". Although the position is quite natural for the male dog, there is still so much wrong with it.For starters, usually for dildogging, the male dog has already swollen to a full knot for maximum size and 'show'. But he has also blown his load. To him, the deed is done. And again, even though the position is normal during mating... with dildogging, there is usually another person there "Forcing" the dog back and forth for the full sexual effect.Repeat - Forcing. the dog is not doing this of its own free will. Usually it is held into place. In the cases that bother me most, there isn't even an assailent... just a single person holding the dog firmly behind the knot, and pulling the dog into themselves.... sounds an aweful lot like the dirty "R" word, doesn't it?
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