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I've noticed in the past few weeks that people are extremely hostile towards beastiality...i was wondering if anyone else has noticed and why people are so hostile towars it...its to the point where I am terrified to let people know about my thoughts about animals
I actually haven't received a lot of hostility about being a zoophile, it's been more my sexuality.We shouldn't expect people to accept us because this is something that isn't normal to them, and quite a few can be agressive. The best way to do it is just to let friends know. Family members, possibly, but there might be awkward glances and unnerving questions.
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From what I can tell, many beleive we harm animals, that we are cruel to them and abuse them. So they become scared of it. They dont understand it fully, so they fear beastality, beleiving many who participate in beastality are less than human.Your best moves : Dont tell anyone fully against it, dont give out your name and face pic here and dont tell anyone you cannot trust.
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I just dont understand why people cant be more understanding....I mean I've been threatened by people because im a zoophile...and some one killed my german shepard....Ive moved now no one here knows about me...and none of my family knows
QUOTE (sheperdlover777 @ Jul 26 2007, 07:58 AM) I just dont understand why people cant be more understanding....I mean I've been threatened by people because im a zoophile...and some one killed my german shepard....Ive moved now no one here knows about me...and none of my family knows Because we are all human, and not all humans understand things like this. It annoys me to no end, but there is no point in sitting thinking of a way to make everyone understand. I'm not accusing you of this, just saying.
What wolfy said. If we had aliens come and visit us, what would our first intinct be? It's an invasion. Yet we don't understand where they are from and why they're here, we just are afraid. Even if they come in peace.And I'm very sorry to hear about the hostility you've had to face, and the loss of your friend *Hugs*
we are not abnormal people, just look at how many members are here, sure some arnt zoo but a majority are, almost enough to inhabit a country. but i would not say advertise your fetish as you are already being discriminated for it. heads up and enjoy what you are doing
QUOTE (sheperdlover777 @ Jul 26 2007, 01:34 AM) I've noticed in the past few weeks that people are extremely hostile towards beastiality...i was wondering if anyone else has noticed and why people are so hostile towars it...its to the point where I am terrified to let people know about my thoughts about animals Be Very Careful If you Look you can find an ENORMOUS amount of hateful information on the internet about anything and everything but Bestiality is a special lighting rod and people have their hate for their own reasons It is not only a stigma but against the Law also! Caution is Key!!!I am very sorry for your loss I can not imagine your pain but I have to suggest you change your quote in your signature ... although I can understand your rage threats of murder are Never smart (as a person who has uttered those words I know this to be fact) again BE CAREFUL
moved to zoo section
In this country there is hostility against anything that isnt WASP.
I think the biggest reason is that deviant behaviour is usually frowned upon. People are expected to conform to certain social standards, if you don't - then you're quick to be judged. If it's actually right or wrong often isn't even all too relevant.
I assume from the line Another pointed out you think there was a connection.For your sake I hope not.. People are the crulest animals on earth the yunger the cruler. They have egos way beyound there years and feel they are put here to tell others what they can do and how to live.. Also they hurt others for sport.I never leave my animals un attended even in a field. This is not a safe world, I make my animals world safe as possable for them. By reputation people leave me and more inportantly my critters alown as I have made graphic examples fo those who crossed my path. Stay a way from people you will be better off.Go near them and you will be assemulated.There is a reason we ware clothes and keep our bedroom habits to our selves.It keeps people from lusting, you got a hard on over my girl anddd your hard on is bigger than mine, or bitching about what a nother person does..Keep this life style very much to your self.Inless you told the wrong person the loss of your friend is not connected to the way you think. I tell people my critters are family and I protect my family.Please be very carefull how much you tell to whom. People talk and then the info gets talked about again till the wrong person hears, a person you would never have told.The problem for this lifestyle comming out to the general public is before people did not think it remotely possable now they know.Millions have died by the hand of religion.A riot is a mob of no less than 3 peopleThe reason is with 3 people the persons are impowered and do things they would never do as a person alown..If you have been outted please move. And leave as small a trail as possable behind. I am sorry for your loss as we all areRus
What make people against us I have talked wit a non-zoo in conection with a project.People get hostile aboout:Any evidence of sexual brutality towards animals - Understandable enoughAny evidence of fencehopping - Understandable enough.How-To' - Animals are not something you write sexual userguides to.Ads like 'Seeking male dog minimum 10" in Xxx tonight'I understand these reasons. I think it is to a large degree up to us what we want to be. One evidence of fencehopping may be enough to pass just another a law on us. Think of that.
I don't think the population as a whole has become more antizoo in the last couple of years. But certainly the media has had in increasingly lurid fascination with our lifestyle in recent years. Thus it forces reactionary small minds to come of the woodwork in increasingly loud numbers. But on the whole I haven't really seen any huge grass roots ground swell movement against bestiality/zoophilia. Despite the recent waves of anti zoo laws passed in many states. Any single idiot can petition his state congressman to make a law banning this or that thing. So the increased media attention has forced the aforementioned opinionated loudmouths to use the legal system to attack us. Unfortunately our lifestyle still carries such a social stigma, that no will stand up to defend us against such inane and unfair laws.
These idiots that cannot let live and allow people to pursue their interests without fear and prejudiceMy advice is keep it to yourself unless you know the person you are telling is like minded
For me it's a 50/50 thing i've only asked about 5 women how they felt about and could they 1day see them self doing it out of the 5 only 2 apposed it 1 was like hell that's just so nasty and anyone who does it needs 2 be put jail and all that shit the other was like if that's what u like o-well but she just could not see herself doing but we did talk about it so i think she would do it if i worked on her it may take a while but hell i got time the other 3 hell 1 has done it and she loved it and the other 2 r ready
people are under the idea that beastiality = rape, ask people about it most will say animals cant consent, but we here know thats not true
QUOTE (german07 @ Jul 26 2007, 07:01 PM) people are under the idea that beastiality = rape, ask people about it most will say animals cant consent, but we here know thats not true ExactlyThe biggest problem i think is that most people are ignorant and just want someone to hate.So if only 10 people hate zoophilia, they can get about 100 others that will also join in the hate just to hate someone.I believe in the line, to each their own.Unfortuntly most do not actually understand the meaning of that line.It means that so long as you don't force anyone you can do what you want. So zoophilia is ok to me but raping someone is not ok to me.So i personally am open to letting anyone do whatever they want so long as they follow, to each their own.
well beastiality is not something understood. Religion, and christain-like views which are instilled into society whether people like it or not, often create a view of it being wrong, same with homosexuality and so on.People fear what they don't understand, and most people won't want to understand it, it's sadly the way some people work...
QUOTE (DemonFox99)The biggest problem i think is that most people are ignorant and just want someone to hate.So if only 10 people hate zoophilia, they can get about 100 others that will also join in the hate just to hate someone.Not only that, but once a group (or mob) of people establishes a firm goal or ideology, people will be pressured to think and act the same out of fear of rejection. This is especially true if there are harmful negative consequences, if a group has violent intents.If a whole group of people are angry and raving about anything such as bestiality, and threatening to hurt anyone involved, nobody will want to stand up and offer defense for it, or even offer a neutral opinion. Basically it's the concept of: "If you're not with us, you're against us. If you don't care either way, you're too soft on the opposing side and are still against us."This is one of those strong psychological barriers that can only be worn down over time. You could slap someone in the face with a thousand page book of logic and reasons why zoophilia isn't wrong, but it won't change their core beliefs. The only way people will ever change their mind about a subject is if they're open minded and curious enough to pursue information on their own.
One line of reasoning says that animals can't make _informed_ consent, and in that way they are equivalent to children. Anyone with much understanding of animals knows better, and when someone tries to equate attraction to animals to attraction to children, it becomes ridiculous. But it sells. Add in the occasional animal-mutilation rumor and you can bring satanic cults into the picture, too. And then yeah, some people are just looking for something to hate about anyway, so when you start them off with misinformation like "satanic mutilating beast rapists are seeking your children next" and they build from there, then you get some really nasty stuff.*shrug* nothing we can do to change that trait, so better to be careful - you can still be attacked because of the color of your skin these days, but at least zoos can be "invisible" unless caught, or they reveal themselves by talking.Mods, if I crossed any age-content lines, I'm sorry.
I think that a lot of people have just never really thought about it that much, and the instinctive reaction is to reject anything "odd".Things are changing though, in the past sodomy was illegal pretty much everywhere (still is in some places), but after a while people realised that as long as it's consensual, then why not. What difference does it make to anyone else? It basically moved from being "odd" and something to be rejected, to something that perhaps person x would not do themselves, but if persons y and z wanted to, then why not. Now it's moving to it's not really odd at all, it's just sex, and more people are willing to try it.I find it telling that in certain countries where bestiality is legal, it was made legal at the same time as sodomy was decriminalised, clearly those countries recognised that the same principle of consensual sodomy, applied to consensual bestiality.In the last 50 years society as a whole has made big strides in terms of rejecting racism, homophobia, etc., so take heart that in the future society will probably reject zoophobia(?).In the mean time, it's probably best to keep your sex life private in general, and rather share experiences / thoughts etc. with like-minded people, like us.
I think people are too prudish when it comes to sex.Sure, you can be accepted (that is, not hostile towards but maybe get a few odd glances) if you have a foot fetish, if you like scat porn, if golden showers turn you on, if orgies are arousing, if anime is downright stunning, even if car crashes make you horny (yes, that does exist)AS LONG AS IT IS WITH A HUMAN OF THE OPPOSITE SEX.You add an animal or someone of the same sex to the picture, then suddenly it's wrong and offensive, and if you find it even slightly arousing, you're just as bad as those involved.(None of the above fetishes apply to me, FYI )People say "But if you like animals, why not children? It's practically the same thing".Wrong.Children are children because they aren't sexually mature. Even if they're 17 and will be 18 in two weeks, it doesn't matter. They're not a legal adult.Animals that are involved in zoo acts are (primarily) sexually mature. And if you don't force it upon them, there is no harm done.
Just look at who "founded" America. What group of British people colonized the eastern seaboard of America, and later took over the entire land? Puritans. And to quote Robin Williams, "A group of people even the British thought were too uptight". Or something along those lines. The puritan-like mindset still infests American culture. While this doesn't really apply to other countries, it sure as hell does to America. The only "truely correct" form of sex is a man and woman of the same skin color in the missionary position, with the man on top and the woman on bottom. That is what is acceptable by American society. If you deviate from that in any way, even switching the role (man on bottom, woman on top), then you are sexually perverted. And it takes a single person to destroy it for anyone else. Washington state used to allow this (or at least, with horses) until a couple had sex with a stallion and the one on the receiving end died because the horse went too far into his butt.The hatred stems from people's fear of the unknown. And not many people know exactly what we are, and what we do. They just think we rape animals. But we all know that is untrue. Society's view of animals is they are just "dumb beasts", which would mean they can't consent. But we all know that animals are very smart, and CAN and DO consent. And sometimes, initiate it. While I have no delusions of this ever to be accepted, but it would be nice to where it wouldn't be illegal.
I understand and even accept the hostility of which you speak. Like others have already said, most people feel the animal cannot consent to the sexual contact. I too become very uncomfortable when I think about men having sex with female and/or male animals. It's far too easy for a man to simply get himself off at the expense of an animal. So there must be laws to prevent or attempt to prevent such things. Yes it's a double standard, but I have virtually no objections to women having sex with male animals. How anyone can say that a male dog, or even more so, a male horse. Can be forced to have sex is simply beyond me. However a woman can be forced to have sex with a male dog. So again I can understand their being laws about bestiality.
(sigh) I've felt so sad recently, I just looked up "Bestiality" on Yahoo Answers which I suggest you NEVER DO because I just found a bunch of ignorant and very unintelligent people relating us to pedophiles and rapists. Its just sick really. Poor German Shepard, I love them, I feel very sad for your lossI never knew how much people hated this, even the people that hate s, how people can still be so ignorant in this society both amazes and disgusts me.I say RISE UP my friends!!!Feel good about who you are!!!Start a movement! Write a story! Tell a friend!Make a difference!Don't let them take away who you are because they don't understand how we think and who we are, the best thing you can do is find someone with... common interests.I did, and it was the best thing that ever happened to me.We come in all shapes and colors, and we are everywhere, where you least expect it.And most of all, don't be afraid BEASTIES UNITE!!! ONE DAY WE WILL BE KNOWN!!! HOW SOON IS UP TO YOU!!!
QUOTE I just dont understand why people cant be more understanding....I mean I've been threatened by people because im a zoophile...and some one killed my german shepard....Ive moved now no one here knows about me...and none of my family knows hmmm, it hard to think someone would consider death a better option. Even if they dont see it as a loving relationship and instead as someone taking advantage/abusing their animal killing it just further enhances the hypocracy of their actions. It is amazing to me how far people go when condemning something... whether it is killing/harming the animal, human, property.... lives, yet they wont lift a finger to research how and why people would do what they disapprove of.
I am not that open to strangers, so i have not seen any really hostile emotions. The closest I got was a preacher who spoke about sex with anything other then a spouse was a sin. I told him that an even bigger sin is passing it up. I was told I am going to hell for masturbation, then i asked him about the people who rape others. Would he want that or would he rather have them jerk off in the privacy of his own home? He gave me The Hand..yea..did not answer just held his hand up to me and called me a sinner.
QUOTE (Anotherusersgirl @ Jul 26 2007, 01:02 PM) QUOTE (sheperdlover777 @ Jul 26 2007, 01:34 AM) I've noticed in the past few weeks that people are extremely hostile towards beastiality...i was wondering if anyone else has noticed and why people are so hostile towars it...its to the point where I am terrified to let people know about my thoughts about animals Be Very Careful If you Look you can find an ENORMOUS amount of hateful information on the internet about anything and everything but Bestiality is a special lighting rod and people have their hate for their own reasons It is not only a stigma but against the Law also! Caution is Key!!!I am very sorry for your loss I can not imagine your pain but I have to suggest you change your quote in your signature ... although I can understand your rage threats of murder are Never smart (as a person who has uttered those words I know this to be fact) again BE CAREFUL i know my sig is violent but honestly im a violent person...im the lead singer of a metal band for christ sakes lol....but i honestly loved my doggy...and not even the thought of performing zoophiliac acts came on me about her she was to beautiful...she was a drug trained shepard black and tan coat and she was small....if i could find out who killed her i would do that though the person beat her the fucking set her on fire....i swear i hate humans
QUOTE (Wirehair @ Jul 26 2007, 04:29 PM) What make people against us I have talked wit a non-zoo in conection with a project.People get hostile aboout:Any evidence of sexual brutality towards animals - Understandable enoughAny evidence of fencehopping - Understandable enough.How-To' - Animals are not something you write sexual userguides to.Ads like 'Seeking male dog minimum 10" in Xxx tonight'I understand these reasons. I think it is to a large degree up to us what we want to be. One evidence of fencehopping may be enough to pass just another a law on us. Think of that. you know that is so true some fuvking person that only like beastiality cause the sex is gonna do something stupid one day and we the harmless ones tht just like it for the companionship will all be persecuted
QUOTE (sheperdlover777 @ Jul 26 2007, 07:58 AM) I just dont understand why people cant be more understanding....I mean I've been threatened by people because im a zoophile...and some one killed my german shepard....Ive moved now no one here knows about me...and none of my family knows How horrible! That's a very sobering thought. It's sad that we have to be so careful about who we let know about this stuff.
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I think it's because on some level people think you've 'jumped the line' to happiness.You didn't...GoToSchoolGetAJobDateGetMarriedThenHaveAFewGoodTimesInTheBedHaveKidsPayForThemGetOldAndDie. Nooooo... You just went out and started having sex with out any of the consequences. No pregnant girl friend that you have to marry.No one leading you around by your cock.No one asking for money, to borrow your car, go shopping with them.YOU CHEATED! How dare you have a great sex life and love something that loves you back with out a crap load of baggage!No wonder they hate us.
Well I dunnoI don't think that there's any point in trying to pretend that every other human on the planet is going to be understanding, hell, there're people that're still actively against "inter-racial" relations, and obviously same sex relations. Denying that is just denying reality.I am completely against rape in any form, whether it be human on human, or human on animal, makes no difference. To me, rape is completely wrong, and someone who rapes needs to be removed from society.Consensual sex is something totally different. If a guy wants to try a guy, why not? If a girl wants to try a girl, then why not? If a human wants to try an animal, I see no problem, as long as it's all consensual, I see no problem. I love watching animals on women, and you can't tell me that in those clips the animals are not fully enthusiastic participants.At the same time though, I don't have unrealistic expectations of society as a whole. Sometimes what's legal is not right, and sometimes what's illegal is not wrong.So, as far as I'm concerned, if it's consensual, then it's fine, but there's no point in going around getting all militant about it. I just accept that others will consider my sex life and fantasies to be deviant, and they'll just have to accept that I will start to care about their opinions when they can back them up with fact.And seriously, at the end of the day, if you don't fit into the society you're living in, then there's nothing stopping you from moving to a more enlightened country, like the Netherlands or Sweden for example. Everyone would like to think that the country they're born into is the best country in the world ever, but that's just simply gambling on luck.If your country will not support you when you're not doing anything wrong, then what's the point of supporting that country? Loyalty works both ways, though the politicians don't like that idea.
What people dont understand, they are frightened of. I have told one close friend but no one else...
This is a difficult one alright.I have been going out with my girl for a year and a half and it is only recently she confided in me about her fantasies.I don't think i could tell any of my friends without risking that very friendship.Most people have small minds and won't allow themselves to consider that others may like things that they don't.So i think we'll keep our stuff private.
QUOTE (Ramseys @ Jul 27 2007, 07:06 PM) I think it's because on some level people think you've 'jumped the line' to happiness.You didn't...GoToSchoolGetAJobDateGetMarriedThenHaveAFewGoodTimesInTheBedHaveKidsPayForThemGetOldAndDie. Nooooo... You just went out and started having sex with out any of the consequences. No pregnant girl friend that you have to marry.No one leading you around by your cock.No one asking for money, to borrow your car, go shopping with them.YOU CHEATED! How dare you have a great sex life and love something that loves you back with out a crap load of baggage!No wonder they hate us. jajajajaj amen brother!!!!!!!!!i think the same thing man!!!!
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RamThat is a very good pointRus
QUOTE (Ramseys @ Jul 27 2007, 02:06 PM) I think it's because on some level people think you've 'jumped the line' to happiness.You didn't...GoToSchoolGetAJobDateGetMarriedThenHaveAFewGoodTimesInTheBedHaveKidsPayForThemGetOldAndDie. Nooooo... You just went out and started having sex with out any of the consequences. No pregnant girl friend that you have to marry.No one leading you around by your cock.No one asking for money, to borrow your car, go shopping with them.YOU CHEATED! How dare you have a great sex life and love something that loves you back with out a crap load of baggage!No wonder they hate us. Never thought of it that way......until now! Thanks Ramseys
I actually asked my ex-girlfriend (A while back, before we broke up) why she thought bestiality was so bad. (She didn't know I was a zoo, but I made hints and references to it which she responded to very strongly in opposition).Her reason was "Because they're not human, you're not having sex with your own species and that's just not right."I don't fully understand her words to this day, but the conversation dropped. It did not change my view on it.
QUOTE (Ramseys @ Jul 27 2007, 07:06 PM) I think it's because on some level people think you've 'jumped the line' to happiness.You didn't...GoToSchoolGetAJobDateGetMarriedThenHaveAFewGoodTimesInTheBedHaveKidsPayForThemGetOldAndDie. Nooooo... You just went out and started having sex with out any of the consequences. No pregnant girl friend that you have to marry.No one leading you around by your cock.No one asking for money, to borrow your car, go shopping with them.YOU CHEATED! How dare you have a great sex life and love something that loves you back with out a crap load of baggage!No wonder they hate us. lol I love that comment thanks Ramsey
RamseysOK now in all these years you have pointed out the benifits of this lifestyle.Rus
I have done quite extensive research on the behavior of humans, and I think it is hard wired for us to be polygamous, bisexual as well as interested in other species besides our own. If you look at how long it has existed, it seems that nothing is new and that it goes further back then the invention of writting. Therefore, I think because that is the case, and it is considered taboo to be interested in other species beside our own... That people are insecure and will make themselves look like they aren't interested by targeting the subject of interspecies sexuality and even other people who happen to be open about it. The truth is, everyone has at the very least an ounce of interest in interspecies sexuality as well as bisexuality, and most of them won't be open to hint anyone that they do.
QUOTE (brandonharison @ Jul 28 2007, 05:22 PM) I have done quite extensive research on the behavior of humans, and I think it is hard wired for us to be polygamous, bisexual as well as interested in other species besides our own. If you look at how long it has existed, it seems that nothing is new and that it goes further back then the invention of writting. Therefore, I think because that is the case, and it is considered taboo to be interested in other species beside our own... That people are insecure and will make themselves look like they aren't interested by targeting the subject of interspecies sexuality and even other people who happen to be open about it. The truth is, everyone has at the very least an ounce of interest in interspecies sexuality as well as bisexuality, and most of them won't be open to hint anyone that they do. you know that is true thimgs that arent completly straight and human is connsidered taboo
Many believe that bestiality is the same thing a pedophilia. Just because they can't talk, they believe it is the same as rape. They don't believe that they can give permission to have sex with them.
people suck, they are judgmental fools, that's all. Once you see humans for what we are as a race it's pretty depressing.I'm sorry for your loss.
I think people will always be afraid of what they don't understand. And most people don't understand zoohphiles, simple as that. So the only way we can be accepted is to help as many people as we can understand what we're all about.
Hey guys honestly thanx for your input it really helps and keep on I am starting to research the ideals behind why things like beastiality are considered taboo and why people are so closed minded to things like it
im sure it's the psychological factor that's involved with people's unacceptance relating to bestiality. because most people either see animals as companions (non-sexually) and/or food and i think it stirs up mixed and confused feelings. i don't really know how to explain it but think about someone's grandparent, there's a lot of mental relations in regards to how a person should feel towards their grandparent. so when people see bestiality in this sense, which most people can't control, then that makes it hard for them to accept it.i hope i didn't sound confusing, it's really kind of complicated cuz my mind's working faster than my fingers.
People are just afraid of it because they don't understand it. A lot of people think we're hurting the animals and we're being selfish because we're using the animals for our own sexual pleasure. Personally, I think an animal can give us more love than an actual human being. If you think about it, we're on a deeper level in our relationships with animals. I mean, if we were really hurting the animal, it would let us know, but last time I checked a dog loves to lick anything tasty. Take people with a lifestyle, most people who are against it are just afraid and don't understand where they're coming from in regards to their sexual preferences.
QUOTE (QuietBeastGirl @ Aug 2 2007, 04:20 AM) People are just afraid of it because they don't understand it. A lot of people think we're hurting the animals and we're being selfish because we're using the animals for our own sexual pleasure. Personally, I think an animal can give us more love than an actual human being. If you think about it, we're on a deeper level in our relationships with animals. I mean, if we were really hurting the animal, it would let us know, but last time I checked a dog loves to lick anything tasty. Take people with a lifestyle, most people who are against it are just afraid and don't understand where they're coming from in regards to their sexual preferences. that is almost perfectly right quite literally its absolutly amazing how can your examination of the phyche behind humans view of beastiality be so great lol....honestly you did do a good job cause its a really good asumption very accurate...thanx for your comment
Taboos are the bane of expansion and growth. Many people who might have been brilliant minds were never heard because of taboo. Eventually the world as a whole will become more liberal and accepting. Then the zoos of that generation can rejoice in their freedom. I have only told one other outside this forum that I am a zoo, and it was one who I met on another site during the transition time when I discovered my true sexuality (Bi) and kept in contact with via AIM. It is sad I could only tell someone I don't even know the face of because of what it might do to my relationship with my friends.
you know miroku that is true brilliant peoples views have been ignored in the past cuase some aspect about them was taboo I say who can say something is taboo No one and if they do say its taboo they can can get hit by a bus...lol (venting anger)
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