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I have a college textbook on abnomal psychology, so of course I had to research what the shrinks say about bestiality. You all might find it interesting to know that the shrinks do not consider sex with animals to be a form of perversion. Tendencies to bestiality are considered (in the world of shrinkdom) to be a form of "paraphilia" (whatever that means), and sex with animals is considered to be a form of masturbation. So I'm sure you will all be relieved to know we are not considered perverts, we just engage in a more unusual form of whacking off! Rest easy now, and it's gratying to me to note that there are so many members here. All these years I've been thinking I was some kind of a freak, but apparently there are alot more of us than I thought. It's good to be among friends. I wonder how many more of us there are who are either unaware of this community or too scared or ashamed to "come out of the closet." I was caught by a state trooper while I was fucking a horse. I made him wait till I was done and then I threatened him with a lawsuit if he filed a report, because I am from an old and well respected family in the area. Nothing ever came of it, and I still go to my mares on dark and foggy nights. And I still walk with my head high around here. As for the cop, I heard he quit his job after that. Good move. Maybe he got a little thrill from watching me. Hope I meet him here someday.
I never though I was a pervert for loving animals... I make jokes about myself being a pervert, and have for longer than I can remember. I used to tell people I graduated from Our Lady of Perpetual Motion, Private Perversity. And once told a friend I was a member of Perv-anon ( if you are a member of alcoholics anonymous and you feel like having a drink you clal one of them and they either talk you out of it, or come over and stop you... if you feel like committing an act of perversion and call one of us , we come over and help you )But I truly never felt it was wrong to love animals, and still don't. I would never force my attentions on an animal, and have had dogs with whom I have had sexual and non-sexual relationships with. So while I am probably still a pervert, (I did score 750 on the kinky test ) it isn't because I find animals attractive
I don't find most animals attractive. I'm just addicted to pussy, of any kind. But I find horses beautiful. They are graceful, muscular, and they never have the negative aspects that human women have.....like cellulite or a bitchy disposition. I have NEVER come across a mare that was unappreciative of my attention. Horses are extremely sexual, and if you can work that pussy right, they will always love you. There is nothing to compare to the sensation of a 1000 pound horse pushing back on you and LOVING every stroke of your cock. It's AMAZING! I've had one of my favorites pin my ass to the barn wall and work my cock for all I was worth. Horses are NOT dumb animals, and they are VERY sexual beings.
I think this should be in the zoophilia section.
Wow Silky, is that really you in your profile pic??!!! If so, I want to take you out and buy you coffee...or a Porsche. See my profile and let me know if you could get used to having me between those silky thighs. They say that more than a mouthful is a waste when it comes to tittys. Well I say that more than a handful is a waste when it comes to cock. And I am a damned wasteful MFR! I'm in NY, not much of a roadtrip in my '02 Mustang GT ragtop to come and see you. Wanna play?
QUOTE (silkythighs @ Jul 22 2007, 12:10 PM) I think this should be in the zoophilia section. agreed
StandWelcome to the forumOn a side note.In a nother life I would have locked your ass up not because of your playing with the mare but by the way you talked to me..Your money meens nothing to me, If I had the evidence You would have been charged as well for the mare thing. If you kept your mouth shut and were polite I would have walked away if it was your horse..I think you need to rethink your adititude to life.This is a virtual world hereThere is no virtual money so You will have to be polite [hope I spelled it right]Rus
QUOTE (standsonabox @ Jul 22 2007, 09:01 PM) Wow Silky, is that really you in your profile pic??!!! If so, I want to take you out and buy you coffee...or a Porsche. See my profile and let me know if you could get used to having me between those silky thighs. They say that more than a mouthful is a waste when it comes to tittys. Well I say that more than a handful is a waste when it comes to cock. And I am a damned wasteful MFR! I'm in NY, not much of a roadtrip in my '02 Mustang GT ragtop to come and see you. Wanna play? woOt a brag
Rus, I'm not trying to come off as arrogant or impolite. I was only trying to illustrate the fact that we zoos can do our thing and not be ostracized if we are caught, simply for the fact that most people would hear a second hand account of such a thing and refuse to believe it was true. This is what saved me. It was the cop that suffered from that incident, not me. Maybe it's just that I had a stronger psychological persona than him? I don't know. But if you are a cop, please don't be offended, I didn't mean any offense to cops in general. This was just one isolated thing, and I happened to come out the winner. In other incidents with cops it was decidedly the other way around.
QUOTE (silkythighs @ Jul 22 2007, 03:10 PM) I think this should be in the zoophilia section. i agree and thought the same thing.On a second note, its kinda good to hear it isnt considered something perverted, maybe the general public should take this knowledge about us and get over the fact of who we are!At any rate i've never considered myself a pervert for it..
This is an open letter to all who are and (hopefully) will be my friends here. I am sorry I sometimes come off as arrogant or a braggart. I know that people perceive me that way very often. The truth about me is that I am painfully honest about myself, even when it hurts me to tell the truth. I don't believe in misleading or lying to the people I care about. And I am also painfully honest when I tell others how I perceive them (and herein lies the rub). Those I've complimented on this site genuinely deserved compliments. I don't feel that I've been active here long enough to deliver criticism yet, even if it were deserved. But I call things as I see them. I am convinced that I am an empath, because I am NEVER WRONG when I have a "feeling" about someone. I haven't done drugs for 16 years, but once upon a time I was a dealer. I never went to jail because I KNEW who was cool and who wasn't. I still KNOW who is cool and who isn't. That's why I'm here, because you are all COOL, and I love every one of you! And I appreciate your putting up with my little IDIOTsyncracies. Thanx all.
Well, getting back on topic...QUOTE (standsonabox)You all might find it interesting to know that the shrinks do not consider sex with animals to be a form of perversion. Tendencies to bestiality are considered (in the world of shrinkdom) to be a form of "paraphilia" (whatever that means)A paraphile is basically any sexual interest and arousal in nonstandard sexual acts. For example, zoophilia and foot fetishes are both classified as paraphilia. Regardless, I doubt I they wouldn't call it perversion, since anyone's perception of a perverse act is pretty much any sexual behavior that deviates from the norm.I kinda figured it wasn't classified as a mental disorder from reading the Wikipedia article on zoophilia. I know Wikipedia isn't exactly a concrete reference, but at least this claim shows some truth about it. The excerpt here:The activity or desire itself is no longer classified as a pathology under DSM-IV (TR) (the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association) unless accompanied by distress or interference with normal functioning on the part of the person.QUOTE (standsonabox)I was only trying to illustrate the fact that we zoos can do our thing and not be ostracized if we are caught, simply for the fact that most people would hear a second hand account of such a thing and refuse to believe it was true.Continuing the previous excerpt, the Wiki article says:Critics point out that that DSM-IV says nothing about acceptability or the well-being of the animal, and many critics outside the field express views that sexual acts with animals are always either abusive or unethical.This is exactly what I was thinking before I checked the Wiki article for further reference. The fact that it's not classified as a mental illness is not and will not be the magic solution to aid our cause. People will still oppose beast/zoo relationships for other reasons.
The main reasons being religion, ignorance about animals, and the fact that most people fear what they dont understand, thus making them intolerant. Before I grow intolerant about anything I always make sure I know it inside and out, because it wouldnt make sense to oppose something you dont even understand.. We just have to suck it up to the fact that most people will never fully understand us, and always oppose us if they find out, which is sad. But its the world we live in today, and the only way to be open about it and avoid discrimination is to form a colony.. Everyone always says yea that would be a great idea! but never follow through with it.. sighBeastiality is not perversion, its a sexual preference. Someone who is sexually perverted can never get sex off their mind and is usually into some very extreme fetish.. In other words, we are generally normal people, only we are slightly different than most.
I have never thought of myself or any other zoo to be perverted, many people would consider us to be perverts but remember you cnnot always rely on psycology because just what someone says through an evaluation does not make it true.GrafikImage
QUOTE (ZetterGRD @ Jul 22 2007, 10:24 PM)The fact that it's not classified as a mental illness is not and will not be the magic solution to aid our cause. People will still oppose beast/zoo relationships for other reasons.You are absolutely right. The issue is a percieved morality which emanates from the church. One of the ten commandments in the bible say thou shalt not lie man with man, nor woman with woman, nor man with beast (doesn't say anything about woman with beast!), but you get the point. When you read the Dan Brown book "The DaVinci Code," keep in mind that everything in that book is based on FACT. The church, over the hundreds of years of it's existence, has perverted the gospel into the present form where it is most useful to the church as a means of control over the congregation. If you have been raised in a churchgoing family/household then you have been programmed all your life to feel crushing guilt and shame for the acts you commit with animals. Those same acts which give you so much pleasure and fulfillment. The church is one reason why so many shrinks are making money, and why so many cemetaries are full. Don't buy into it my friends. I know you won't listen to me...today, telling you not to believe the bullshit. But just go and check it out for yourself. There have been religions in the past which advocated bestiality. They were wiped out by the Catholic chuch. It is not possible to reconcile a Christian faith with a bestial lifestyle, but it IS possible to reconcile a pagan faith with a bestial lifestyle. "Pagan" does not mean "evil" or "demonic," it means non-christian. And there were MANY forms of paganism before christianity, many of which embraced bestiality. I personally do not have morality. I do what feels good for me and if anyone has a problem with it they can come and try to kick my ass. Anybody ready?
I have always considered zoo to be perverted, and that's one of the things that turns me on about it. My answer to the original question is therefore yes, but I can't say I have a problem with it.
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Then again demonic translates to the word knowledge, which is why they scare people away from it. I completely agree with your last post standsonabox, we are not causing harm to anyone or anything, so its not a bad thing to do what feels right... Its all great that we are conversing this subject with each other, but wouldnt it make a bigger impact if we argued our rights with people who can actually make a difference?
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Yes bro, but where do we start?
Well, as a lot of us live in free countries, we can argue whatever we want with our governments, as long as we dont claim to practice the activities ourselves, or we would get arrested. Of course unless we lived in a state such as Washington, which allows it.We would also be allowed to do rallies, polls, etc etc, sort of like the way the community argued their rights for marriage. It worked for them in certain states, why wouldnt it work for us?Whats good is that we can also use the internet.. Also we can use the net to send the statistics to our government to stay anonymous, using proxy chains and so forth. It would be better than sitting around wishing we could just be ourselves legally.Also Im going to continue to stand for the idea of a colony in somewhere that its legal. I lived in Washington for a month and you can walk down the street and theres this huge snowy mountain range right there, how cool is that? The scenery is beautiful and theres plenty of space for us, why dont we go for it? My other idea was to buy large portions of land for incredibly low amount of money in Bulgaria, but I doubt people will actually take it that far haha.. But Im a really big enthusiast about what I believe in and if i had the opportunity I know I would do it.I would do just about anything for real freedom.
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Do we go to local fairs and tell the 4-H club we want to fuck their horses? Do we go to the local Alpaca farm and tell them we'll take really good care of their sheep if they'll just let us fuck them? What is our position? We have none. We have to be content with what we can get when we can get it. Because what we do will never become acceptible/mainstream in our lifetime. I spend alot of time sneaking around with a big Maglight (it's the same one the cops use, and for the same reason....you can beat the shit out of somebody with it!) I will NOT be caught again and have credible witnesses. I am not a forward type of person, although you all might think so from reading my posts. I don't get "up close and personal" with someone unless they give me a reason. Like if they fuck with me, my car, or someone I care about. Then they better pray to whatever gods they have to give them a painless death, because I'm coming. 'Nuff said
It doesnt have to be done publicly, like I said we can use the internet to stay anonymous. So, its not as far fetched as it seems
thats actually pretty interesting about the whole perverion vs. a 'unique' form of masturbation. I love my pets and my finned companions. However, I have never spoke to a therapist about this. You have to think of it like this therapists learn to make their own conclusion to help their patients, however it does not say what their thinking in their own personal mind. with psychology you learn to not judge people. But who knowns the therapists are talking about wihen your not ther or even during their luch breaks or with family..lol
Ultimate, I like this line of thought. I studied business and finance for 6 years and if there was a little money to manage, I could roll it over into a line of credit for 10 times the amount. That's how business works in "these untied states." (that's not a typo BTW). Let's talk, bro. I got a little extra money to lay out. It would be AWESOME to have a place to go chill w/other zoo's and have my pick of healthy/happy critters to play with in a nice mountain retreat. Let's rock: "Critters Incorporated" (or LLC preferably)
Wow, I didnt think that anyone would even consider that idea with me! Ill support it in any way that I can as well. You seem a little more experienced than I do, I mean, Im not even 20 yet. But I can still help to make a difference.. Send a pm my way when your ready to start
Just a reminder, bringing religion into the discussion is not tolerated here, so I'd advise against mentioning it further in any detail.QUOTE (ultimatefuck)We would also be allowed to do rallies, polls, etc etc, sort of like the way the community argued their rights for marriage. It worked for them in certain states, why wouldnt it work for us?The problem is, what are we going to rally for? We don't have marriage or civil benefits as a goal. The primary goal would be to change the laws so we're not thrown in jail or labeled a sex offenders. Really, the best we can hope for, right now at least, is to lift current laws against us. I'm not even talking acceptance or tolerance by society, I'm just talking removing the lawful consequences if we are caught. Bestial acts may not be explicitly outlawed in certain jurisdictions, but it can still be charged as animal cruelty.We must also take our numbers into account. Homosexuality is estimated to be as frequent as 10% of the population. There are no verified estimates for the prevalence of zoophilia, which could be as low as only 1-2% percent.One person in a hundred isn't very noticeable, but one in ten is. Given that, we do not possess the numbers to properly execute a pro-zoo campaign. Many people, myself included, think that if we try to push the issue too early, it could have more negative consequences than positive.Society is opening up to more sexual freedom as the generations progress, and I believe that progress won't be seen for at least one or two generations from now. I do believe that in time, it will become tolerated in society, but there's a good chance it won't be in this lifetime.
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I agree 100%. But in the face of all this adversity, which we agree that we can't overcome, we need to find alternatives. A retreat of our own would be ideal. Self-supporting from it's own income, a Mecca for all of us zoo's, earning enough money to buy any animal the clientel desires and still be able to maintain a beautiful place to chill. Anyone disagree? Who's in?
maybe you are right,but i dont understang deeply.so to thank you very much.
Ugh, to me this is another form of BS, that psychologists have found another way to label people like us. I don't care what anybody says, there are too many views and opinions on the morality of zoophilic behavior. Sure, this is one of the better ones, but people need to understand that it doesn't matter what people say about it. If they have a problem, or think it's weird, too bad, not their life, and they aren't making your choices. I prefer there to be no demeaning opinions and it just be another element in diverse lifestyles. Though I guess this is just wishful thinking...
I never felt like a pervert. Love is built-into the mind and heart and have always thought that.But it's good to hear what a psychologist has to say about it!
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QUOTE (standsonabox @ Jul 23 2007, 12:51 AM) I agree 100%. But in the face of all this adversity, which we agree that we can't overcome, we need to find alternatives. A retreat of our own would be ideal. Self-supporting from it's own income, a Mecca for all of us zoo's, earning enough money to buy any animal the clientel desires and still be able to maintain a beautiful place to chill. Anyone disagree? Who's in? So you want to make an animal brothel if I read you right? You start ths discussion with a text that gives you hope for just a little understanding. But what do you do to make us understod? Sneek around in fields at nicht, ready to defence your legal right to f*** the animals of others, if necessary with violence?QUOTE I spend alot of time sneaking around with a big Maglight (it's the same one the cops use, and for the same reason....you can beat the shit out of somebody with it!) I will NOT be caught again and have credible witnesses.Look at your voting. Violent fencehoppers and animal brothels is not what it takes to lift laws against us. Most folks here undertand why. In fact, a large number of antibestiality laws were helped in the way by such things. Before we can have any hope to get "understood", maybe you, and others who share your point of view should try to understand the world outside us first. There are some kinds of sexuality that can not be practized. Others can, under some circumstances. You dont sneek afound in fields at nicht, or visit animal brothels. If you want a sexual relation you have two options. Either you buy, and care for your own animal, with the responsibility it takes, or you make an add in the personal section.I dont know the succes rate in the personal section, but you have not helped yours in the way.
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QUOTE (standsonabox @ Jul 22 2007, 07:51 PM) I agree 100%. But in the face of all this adversity, which we agree that we can't overcome, we need to find alternatives. A retreat of our own would be ideal. Self-supporting from it's own income, a Mecca for all of us zoo's, earning enough money to buy any animal the clientel desires and still be able to maintain a beautiful place to chill. Anyone disagree? Who's in? Yes I agree, a retreat for us would be a grand idea, but as wirehair said, and I totally agree, buying animals just to round them up for gang bangs is not the answer. That is not what a retreat is about. HOWEVER, back to the subject, the government along with others (unmentioned) would find a way to shut it down, if need be, they might go as far as, OH MY how awful, it caught on fire!!!! I have seen it happen before. They are ruthless, if it isn't their one minded way of thinking it isn't moral.I have never thought of myself as a "pervert", I am a "PROvert" I am an expert at it , but anyway I know I hate living in the preverbial "closet", but I just don't think that society as a whole, will ever accept us, or tolerate us.~Cntry~
QUOTE (Curious_Bi @ Jul 23 2007, 07:54 AM) QUOTE Yes I agree, a retreat for us would be a grand idea, but as wirehair said, and I totally agree, buying animals just to round them up for gang bangs is not the answer. That is not what a retreat is about. That wasnt my idea either, I was thinking on more of the lines that we could have sexual relations with an animal or more and not worry about discrimination.. Not rounding up a bunch of animals for one big orgy. However Im surprised that we only have three people supporting the decision so far
I think there is a trouble with semantics here. If you brought your lover to a retreat where you could stay with said companion I think thats what the guys are bantering about. It would be nice to go on vacation to a spot that was accepting of the lifestyle.If Im wrong guys let me know.I always felt like a sicko until I found this site. I have known what the texts consider us I also told a shrink about my zoo interests,I was SA and its very hard for me to form anykind of a meaningful bond with a human being but I always felt that connection right away with animals.
No, you got the right idea. Wouldnt it be better though, to live in such a place permanently? Well.. I know I would do it.. If only we had more people supporting the idea I think it would be possible
( Mr Sore )"Let's form a commune" is less appealing than "let's form a brothel". At least the brothel has honesty of purpose.No skin off our nose if ya'll do whatever you like, and best of luck to you... sincerely. The Mrs and I agree however that flashlights or little else would help someone we caught hopping our fence and offering violence when caught... And that The "accepting community" dream is apt to turn out like so many others since the 60s did no matter how pure the motives.( Mrs Sore )QUOTE Rus80: I think you need to rethink your adititude to life.We agree entirely with this - just reading the way you view your partners and attitude of violence and disregard for anyone's feelings but your own... why should anyone listen to you? You'll have much better chances of success if you're polite and considerate of how your words will be striking others... Even if you don't feel the contempt your words express, understand why others react as if you do.
There are a lot of comments here on the concept of moving away to a zoo-only establishment.http://www.beastforum.com/showtopic-106685.htmlMoving into a zoo-only community sounds great in theory, as a place we will always be accepted in. The problem is when you examine it as a serious option, and consider all the factors in life, actually going through with something like this is largely impractical and unrealistic.Many people, even though desperate to seek acceptance of their animal lifestyles, are simply unwilling or unable to give up what they have in their current life. People may already be settled in relationships, or wish to stay close to family and friends. There are a great many people who would rather keep their animal preferences hidden forever than disturb the quality of life they already have.
well he was a lil brash to the officer but i think he still had a good point
QUOTE (ZetterGRD @ Jul 23 2007, 08:03 PM) Moving into a zoo-only community sounds great in theory, as a place we will always be accepted in. The problem is when you examine it as a serious option, and consider all the factors in life, actually going through with something like this is largely impractical and unrealistic. Even in forums, at con's, etc,zoos get in conflic with each other. Many of us already have more or less problems with humans in general, and when it comes to it, being zooish is just one thing we have in common. We are more or less different from each other in all other matters.That is one reason why some set heir hopes too high for being understood in such communities.
I just wish societies viewpoint of us was more in line with the academic viewpoint...that would make a real difference.I think a situation like a retreat probably wouldn't work out in the long run...too much clashing of personalities...I've seen many zoos who just love each other online find they just don't get along when they meet face to face...as for the laws...they are always changing...I'm pretty sure Washington changed theirs a few years ago...seems to be what I read in one of the threads around here...
I don't think any aspect of a person's mental-sexuality should be considered "abnormal." Yes, it may be uncommmon, or strange to some who do not practice it, but there's never really a choice in the matter. Somebody doesn't just wake up one morning and decide "Hey, I think I'm going to be straight," or "Whoa, I want to have sex with horses!" To me, it's all naturally random sexual urges
QUOTE (ZetterGRD @ Jul 23 2007, 08:03 PM) Moving into a zoo-only community sounds great in theory, as a place we will always be accepted in. The problem is when you examine it as a serious option, and consider all the factors in life, actually going through with something like this is largely impractical and unrealistic. I know.. Sometimes I let fantasy land get the best of me and I begin to obsess over it a bit much.. Just the way I am when I feel this strongly about something.. I mean, its my life were talking about.. Not to mention the fact that Im extremely controversial by nature I guess.., and people just end up getting annoyed in the end. Itzwolf, and I think your right about the whole clashing of personalities thing, I guess I was just blinded by desperation.. Just hope that people understand where Im coming from..
Actually, there isn't anything considered perverted in abnormal psychology because it is too difficult to define. Beastiality is grouped with necrophilia. Just thought i would put my two cents in.
I don't see anything wrong with zoo's wanting a place where that could go to live with or visit with other zoo's. I'm sure that would be a dream come true for them. That's how swing and clubs got started. However there is a big difference. In a swing or club we're talking about consenting adults. No matter how zoo's and zoo friendly people may feel, society will never accept bestiality because the animal isn't a consenting adult. In their eyes we're taking unfair advantage of a defenseless animal, and yet I can fully understand their point of view. Also Zoo's claim to be animal lovers, yet other animal lovers and animal rights advocates who would also view zoos in a very unfavorable light. They would most likely look to have your community closed down.
QUOTE (standsonabox @ Jul 22 2007, 10:27 AM) ... So I'm sure you will all be relieved to know we are not considered perverts, we just engage in a more unusual form of whacking off! ...... I was caught by a state trooper while I was fucking a horse. I made him wait till I was done and then I threatened him with a lawsuit if he filed a report, because I am from an old and well respected family in the area... Whew! I am happy to know I am not a pervert!! Just an extremely over active sexual kind of guy!!The state trooper was not a mounted trooper was he? Maybe he was just waiting for his horse so he could go on patrol and you were holding him up?
LOL, we don't have Mounties in NY. But he was pretty damned flustered about the whole thing!
There are still mounted patrols...don't have to be Mounties
We don't have any around here, but the New York City cops ride horses (lucky bastards!)
as far as psychology (normal or abnormal) is concerned, we're ALL perverts to some degree
Well its not like we wake up one day thinking .. "HEY! im going to start finding animals attractive today!"
QUOTE (CliffordTheBigRedDogDick @ Jul 25 2007, 03:36 AM) as far as psychology (normal or abnormal) is concerned, we're ALL perverts to some degree This may be true, but the original post was concerning what the shrinks think of us. Not that it really matters what they think. When I'm balls deep in mare pussy I could care less what anybody thinks about it.
You know I never thought of my love for my mate to be anything but right. I was hesitant and shy about it at first but that quickly passed. Ever since, I've felt that what I was doing was right, it was how I was suppose to be. Honestly in a fantasy world, if I could trade my human form for that of a true canine bitch then I would without second thoughts. I honestly don't see myself as a human being anymore, but merely a canine spirit in a human body. I may look human physically, but inside I'm a canine. It's no different than transexuals, believe they're truly a woman in a man's body or reverse.
Interesting concept. I guess that would make me a stallion in human form. I kinda like that.
See you got it. Not saying it's like that for everybody but I feel that some people truly are animals in their hearts and souls. And there's nothing wrong with it. Just like there's nothing wrong with transexuals. We're like...beastsexuals or something.
Sorry. I think I should stay out of this discussion. I can't help but laugh to myself when I hear other zoophiles comparing that to the GLBT movement. No offense, but as far as I know, none of you have been beaten half-senseless by a cop because you were walking out of a certain bar. Or had some rich half-drunk frat-kid trying to impress his girlfriend by trying to run you over, and you ended up having to pay HIS medical-bill after you beat him senseless. Or been invited out to the woods to a party - just to find out it was a "blanket party", and you got the "joy" of running from 10 rednecks - 2 of which are carrying firearms..There's quite a bit of a difference kiddies.
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I dunno. if you go by "normal" peoples view, we are, but to me, Im just doing what is normal. After all we are just another species of animal, even though most people think we are some kind of gods over other species because we can make fire... so therefor I dont see what I do as un-natural in any way. Other animals, like dogs, have sex with, or try to have sex with other species, so why not us. Its just in our nature, and only we (people here on beast forums and other people like us) are the ones who can accept that and enjoy all forms of love and sex. Be it with horse, dolphin, dog, big cats, whatever your into.Good topic btw!
QUOTE (CliffordTheBigRedDogDick @ Jul 25 2007, 03:36 AM) as far as psychology (normal or abnormal) is concerned, we're ALL perverts to some degree Very true. We are having sex for other than procreation, so therefor, WERE ALL PERVS!!!
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I agree that in a sense everyone is a pervert. We dont mate to specifically procreate. BUt I dont think we are sickos either. I get tired of all the people who claim they have their morals and that every subgroup is the reason why society is starting to suck. The only thing wrong with the planet is pure unadultered greed pure and simple. All of mankinds problems stem from the me and the take overpowering we and give.Sorry I will get off the soapbox now.
yah but as some one who voted homosexuality OUT of dsm-2 (ahhh the old days) we are still at least 3 standard deviations from the norm...should that be labeled pervert? no i think of it as rare and precious.
As I sat here reading this thread it occurred to me that I am not alone in my desire to mate with an animal. My bf thinks I am a pervert because of this so I do not discuss it with him anymore. So I want to thank everyone for making me feel like I am not alone in my desires.
QUOTE (rosered2 @ Jul 26 2007, 04:33 PM) As I sat here reading this thread it occurred to me that I am not alone in my desire to mate with an animal. My bf thinks I am a pervert because of this so I do not discuss it with him anymore. So I want to thank everyone for making me feel like I am not alone in my desires. I'm glad this thread was beneficial to some of you. I got some negativity as a result of starting it, but posts like yours make up for that. Thank you for posting this. And if your bf doesn't understand you you might consider finding a new one right here who will. Lots of us are looking for other zoos to be with.
QUOTE (standsonabox @ Jul 22 2007, 10:05 PM) This is an open letter to all who are and (hopefully) will be my friends here. I am sorry I sometimes come off as arrogant or a braggart. I know that people perceive me that way very often. The truth about me is that I am painfully honest about myself, even when it hurts me to tell the truth. I don't believe in misleading or lying to the people I care about. And I am also painfully honest when I tell others how I perceive them (and herein lies the rub). Those I've complimented on this site genuinely deserved compliments. I don't feel that I've been active here long enough to deliver criticism yet, even if it were deserved. But I call things as I see them. I am convinced that I am an empath, because I am NEVER WRONG when I have a "feeling" about someone. I haven't done drugs for 16 years, but once upon a time I was a dealer. I never went to jail because I KNEW who was cool and who wasn't. I still KNOW who is cool and who isn't. That's why I'm here, because you are all COOL, and I love every one of you! And I appreciate your putting up with my little IDIOTsyncracies. Thanx all. hmm....you think that might be why you're at 50% on your ratings?cliff....
Sorry to have missed thisUntillLet me add a quoteOn a side note.In a nother life I would have locked your ass up not because of your playing with the mare but by the way you talked to me..Your money meens nothing to me, If I had the evidence You would have been charged as well for the mare thing. If you kept your mouth shut and were polite I would have walked away if it was your horse..I think you need to rethink your adititude to life.This is a virtual world hereThere is no virtual money so You will have to be polite [hope I spelled it right]ContemptHow naieve do you think I am.I ment every wordContempt and all.Been there Done thatRus
Being zoo isn't perversion to me.. it's just a way of life. This is the way I am, this is the way I'll stay. You can't just throw what you believe out the window because some people call you a pervert. Even though it will always be hard, and someone will always hate you, it's something to hold on to. Just my 2 cents on it
QUOTE I got some negativity as a result of starting itThat wasn't why you got the negativity, man...
QUOTE (blackwingbear @ Jul 27 2007, 09:03 AM) QUOTE I got some negativity as a result of starting itThat wasn't why you got the negativity, man... I know why I got the negativity, and I sobered up and apologized (personally to some and publicly to everyone else). I explained myself and the reason for my behavior, and have been very polite to everyone since then. Believe it or not there are even some people who like me. On the other hand, there are several who just refuse to let it go, but that's them, they seem to have a vendetta. I can't do anything more than I've already done, and perpetuating the issue isn't going to accomplish anything. I've heard from you before on this whole thing, and you were one of the least abusive with your messages to me, I can at least thank you for practicing restraint. But as I said above, I've done everything I can do to correct things. So can we just let the whole thing die and move on?
Well, I think if you stick to the dictionary definition of perversion, sex with animals is probably perverted. Perversion:4. any of various means of obtaining sexual gratification that are generally regarded as being abnormal.Since sex with animals isn't what people usually engage in, it is abnormal and thus I suppose it's perverted. But what does that really say? Nothing. It's a word, a label. It doesn't pass any judgement, it doesn't make it wrong. The word perversion just sounds very negative. But it's just a word The word paraphilia is a much harder judgement actually, though the actual definition of the word seems to vary. The dictionary:Paraphilia:"A type of mental disorder characterized by a preference for or obsession with unusual sexual practices"According to wikipedia / DSM IV:"Clinical literature discusses eight major paraphilias individually. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the activity must be the sole means of sexual gratification for a period of six (6) months, and either cause "clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning" or involve a violation of consent to be diagnosed as a paraphilia."The second more detailed definition seems to suggest that for many people, zoophilia wouldn't be a paraphilia, simply because it does not cause dysfunction. But it very much can be.
I just afraid that feeling of guilt will stay with me forever. A I think often about lines between love and passion.
QUOTE (Cetacean @ Jul 27 2007, 02:04 PM)The dictionary:Paraphilia:"A type of mental disorder characterized by a preference for or obsession with unusual sexual practices"According to wikipedia / DSM IV:"Clinical literature discusses eight major paraphilias individually. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the activity must be the sole means of sexual gratification for a period of six (6) months, and either cause "clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning" or involve a violation of consent to be diagnosed as a paraphilia."The second more detailed definition seems to suggest that for many people, zoophilia wouldn't be a paraphilia, simply because it does not cause dysfunction. But it very much can be.. Excellent bit of homework (10 to you for that post), and I agree with your last comment. Although there have been times longer than 6 months when zoo was my only source of sexual gratification (other than self service), this was never by choice, but for lack of a human companion. And zoo has never caused me any dysfunction because it causes me no feelings of guilt. As for violation of consent, there's considerable debate in some circles about whether an animal is capable of consent or whether all animal sex is actually rape. I don't feel that I've ever had any animal against its will, and it would be dangerous to try. Animals come equipped with teeth, claws, hooves, horns, etc. that are capable of doing more damage to a person than most humans could do (especially if you happen to be naked at the time).As for morality, to me it depends on the focus of your analysis. If you see a man and a bitch having sex as immoral, then possibly your focus is too fine. When I, a male mammal, engage in sex with a bitch, a female mammal, we are two mammals of the opposite sex engaged in sexual intercourse. Which is perfectly normal behavior for mammals. It's all in how things are defined, any good politician can tell you that.
QUOTE (blackwingbear @ Jul 25 2007, 07:06 AM) Sorry. I think I should stay out of this discussion. I can't help but laugh to myself when I hear other zoophiles comparing that to the GLBT movement. No offense, but as far as I know, none of you have been beaten half-senseless by a cop because you were walking out of a certain bar. Or had some rich half-drunk frat-kid trying to impress his girlfriend by trying to run you over, and you ended up having to pay HIS medical-bill after you beat him senseless. Or been invited out to the woods to a party - just to find out it was a "blanket party", and you got the "joy" of running from 10 rednecks - 2 of which are carrying firearms..There's quite a bit of a difference kiddies. You know, you're attitude could use an adjustment. I'm not against /lesbians in the least, for obvious reasons since I'm bisexual in the end. But to just stomp on people's opinions like that. So just because we as a zoo community aren't getting beaten up, killed, tortured and ridiculed in the public eye makes it better? Or makes the plight of /lesbians in no way similar? At least when I still was more or less part of the human world of dating I got some negative comments and ridiculed a some. But I could still go out and date guys and girls alike. I was lucky I guess, living in an area that was so bloodthirsty. But as a zoophile, or beastsexual, whatever I can't go out as I truly am. Not in the public eye. You don't see people walking other people on a leash down the street in the early evenings do you? You do see dog parks scattered with owners playing catch with their zoophile pets who want to be dogs. You don't see us trying to hit on the animals at petting zoos or regular zoos. You don't see people putting the moves on a person's dog as they're walking him/her down the street.You don't see people at the park making out with their dogs as they wait for fireworks on the fourth of july. We have, by societies creed, to stay hidden, locked away, in private and secret meetings. Trying to sneak into barns at night, or out back. To make a quick go with the dog before your roommates or parents or spouse or whoever comes home. Fine, I'm just getting riled up now, so I'm stopping.
Being classified as a pervert isn't by what you like. To be classified as a pervert has to do with your actions. I'm a huge pervert at times. I'll say perv. jokes, I'll start going in and talking about things that are perverted... Like i said.. more based on actions than interests
QUOTE (standsonabox @ Jul 27 2007, 11:31 PM) As for morality, to me it depends on the focus of your analysis. If you see a man and a bitch having sex as immoral, then possibly your focus is too fine. When I, a male mammal, engage in sex with a bitch, a female mammal, we are two mammals of the opposite sex engaged in sexual intercourse. Which is perfectly normal behavior for mammals. It's all in how things are defined, any good politician can tell you that. Morality is entirely relative. What's acceptable in the "West" may be considered outrageous in the Middle-East.
QUOTE (Cetacean @ Jul 28 2007, 10:36 AM) QUOTE (standsonabox @ Jul 27 2007, 11:31 PM) As for morality, to me it depends on the focus of your analysis. If you see a man and a bitch having sex as immoral, then possibly your focus is too fine. When I, a male mammal, engage in sex with a bitch, a female mammal, we are two mammals of the opposite sex engaged in sexual intercourse. Which is perfectly normal behavior for mammals. It's all in how things are defined, any good politician can tell you that. Morality is entirely relative. What's acceptable in the "West" may be considered outrageous in the Middle-East. Agreed. Seems to me that most things are considered outragious in the middle east! I know if I was born there I probably wouldn't have survived past puberty.*I am deeply sorry for having fucked your camel Sir!*
QUOTE (Sinnkissed @ Jul 28 2007, 12:29 AM) QUOTE (blackwingbear @ Jul 25 2007, 07:06 AM) Sorry. I think I should stay out of this discussion. I can't help but laugh to myself when I hear other zoophiles comparing that to the GLBT movement. No offense, but as far as I know, none of you have been beaten half-senseless by a cop because you were walking out of a certain bar. Or had some rich half-drunk frat-kid trying to impress his girlfriend by trying to run you over, and you ended up having to pay HIS medical-bill after you beat him senseless. Or been invited out to the woods to a party - just to find out it was a "blanket party", and you got the "joy" of running from 10 rednecks - 2 of which are carrying firearms..There's quite a bit of a difference kiddies. You know, you're attitude could use an adjustment. I'm not against /lesbians in the least, for obvious reasons since I'm bisexual in the end. But to just stomp on people's opinions like that. So just because we as a zoo community aren't getting beaten up, killed, tortured and ridiculed in the public eye makes it better? Or makes the plight of /lesbians in no way similar? At least when I still was more or less part of the human world of dating I got some negative comments and ridiculed a some. But I could still go out and date guys and girls alike. I was lucky I guess, living in an area that was so bloodthirsty. But as a zoophile, or beastsexual, whatever I can't go out as I truly am. Not in the public eye. You don't see people walking other people on a leash down the street in the early evenings do you? You do see dog parks scattered with owners playing catch with their zoophile pets who want to be dogs. You don't see us trying to hit on the animals at petting zoos or regular zoos. You don't see people putting the moves on a person's dog as they're walking him/her down the street.You don't see people at the park making out with their dogs as they wait for fireworks on the fourth of july. We have, by societies creed, to stay hidden, locked away, in private and secret meetings. Trying to sneak into barns at night, or out back. To make a quick go with the dog before your roommates or parents or spouse or whoever comes home. Fine, I'm just getting riled up now, so I'm stopping. Hats off, 10 and thanks to you for this post. It seems that some of those with vendettas against me have engaged in the same type of negativity that started the whole "pissing contest" in the first place. This is turning out to be a very good thread and I would rather see more "on topic" posts than alot of random personal criticism against me or the subject. Thanx Sin.
QUOTE (standsonabox @ Jul 28 2007, 12:10 PM) QUOTE (Sinnkissed @ Jul 28 2007, 12:29 AM) QUOTE (blackwingbear @ Jul 25 2007, 07:06 AM) Sorry. I think I should stay out of this discussion. I can't help but laugh to myself when I hear other zoophiles comparing that to the GLBT movement. No offense, but as far as I know, none of you have been beaten half-senseless by a cop because you were walking out of a certain bar. Or had some rich half-drunk frat-kid trying to impress his girlfriend by trying to run you over, and you ended up having to pay HIS medical-bill after you beat him senseless. Or been invited out to the woods to a party - just to find out it was a "blanket party", and you got the "joy" of running from 10 rednecks - 2 of which are carrying firearms..There's quite a bit of a difference kiddies. You know, you're attitude could use an adjustment. I'm not against /lesbians in the least, for obvious reasons since I'm bisexual in the end. But to just stomp on people's opinions like that. So just because we as a zoo community aren't getting beaten up, killed, tortured and ridiculed in the public eye makes it better? Or makes the plight of /lesbians in no way similar? At least when I still was more or less part of the human world of dating I got some negative comments and ridiculed a some. But I could still go out and date guys and girls alike. I was lucky I guess, living in an area that was so bloodthirsty. But as a zoophile, or beastsexual, whatever I can't go out as I truly am. Not in the public eye. You don't see people walking other people on a leash down the street in the early evenings do you? You do see dog parks scattered with owners playing catch with their zoophile pets who want to be dogs. You don't see us trying to hit on the animals at petting zoos or regular zoos. You don't see people putting the moves on a person's dog as they're walking him/her down the street.You don't see people at the park making out with their dogs as they wait for fireworks on the fourth of july. We have, by societies creed, to stay hidden, locked away, in private and secret meetings. Trying to sneak into barns at night, or out back. To make a quick go with the dog before your roommates or parents or spouse or whoever comes home. Fine, I'm just getting riled up now, so I'm stopping. Hats off, 10 and thanks to you for this post. It seems that some of those with vendettas against me have engaged in the same type of negativity that started the whole "pissing contest" in the first place. This is turning out to be a very good thread and I would rather see more "on topic" posts than alot of random personal criticism against me or the subject. Thanx Sin. Uh...I guess thank you? Sorry I haven't been keeping with every post, so I'm not sure how much you've been attacked or whatevers been going on, I just had to respond to that person's post. But I guess thanks, always glad to help?
The more I think about this topic the more I feel that a pervert IEper·vert·ed, per·vert·ing, per·verts To bring to a bad or worse condition; debase. To put to a wrong or improper use; misuse. See Synonyms at corrupt.I feel rape is a perversion. Anything that causes trauma is a perversion of the natural order of things.
Thanx Sinn and gpk, for posting and keepin this thread active.
QUOTE (standsonabox @ Jul 30 2007, 08:58 AM) Thanx Sinn and gpk, for posting and keepin this thread active. No problem buddy. Its a great topic.
I agree trying to place us with the and lesbian crowd just doesn't work. What both [SPAM] face are radiclly different as all ready pointed out. Because the big differance is we like animals and they like other people. People can consent and in the majoritys eyes an animal can not. Granted I don't know how you can force anything to get a hard on and stick it in a hole but thats not up to me to judge. Second I am going to agree with it doesn't matter if you and I are both zoo's if you are on my property with one of my animals with out permission your getting the busniess end of a 12 gauge I don't care who you are or who your family is. If you had asked permision it would be fine but fence hoping is trespassing. But advocating fence hoping is a big no on this site.Back to the way phychology sees us, it really doesn't matter what science thinks. After all when Gallelao (sp?) said the sun was the center of the galaxy not the earth they majority called him crazy, or when Columbus said the world was round. Generally it takes decades or longer for the rest of the world to agree with what science says. So if all the phychologust in the world said we were fine not crazy people that still won't stop people from hateing or acting violent to us. Really there just are not enough zoos in the world to make a differance. So the best thing we can do for us as a comunity is keep our heads down and not draw attention to our selves.
Thanx for posting Mack. 10 and repect to you for your excellent words. I haven't hopped any fences in awhile and am considering getting a Pitbull bitch so I can keep my zoo activities confined to my own house. Mares are my first choice for zoo sex, but really not practical anymore since I no longer live on a farm. But as I've said elsewhere, zoo is strictly recreational for me....I don't "love" the animals I have sex with. With the presence of a good woman, I would probably not do any zoo sex at all, or if I did it would be occasionally. But I wouldn't mind watching her with a dog if that's what she was into.
I think everything depends on which shrink you talk with (sorry no ofense to Psychiatrists... don't shock me again )I took part in a study about zoosexuality, in this study (long before I knew BF) the conclusion was that it is closer to a sexual preference than to a paraphilia, as in there is a stronger chance for a sentimental and emotional bond to the animal as one might have to a doll or a leather outfit, which means as much as saying straights or s have a bigger chance of geting emotionally involved with their partners as say a swinger to become involved with a determined person. (yes, I know swingers MUST be something to be able to swing... perhaps a sexophonist?) or a person that is into dildos to name, love and share other moments than those of "duty cycle" for the toy.
I always wondered why zoos arnt part of the GLBT or some other movement, even 'child lovers' have nambla, and people hate that more than beastiality
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ok, i have my own thoughts about this. personally, i don't think bestiality/zoophilia is perverted. it's all because it is unacceptable by the mainstream public's standards, so it must seem wrong because people who don't agree with it say that it is. religion must also have us believe that it is wrong. but we're all animals anyway, it's just different forms coming together.
No! We have evolved!
Why would we be perverts? I believe one day we will be more accepted, a lot like s. We just need to keep up the positives and show others that there is nothing wrong in what we do. I just hope it is in this generation or the next, I want to see our acceptance and I want to be on the fore front of the movement.
Pervert. Hmmmm. That means to pervert or change (in a bad way) one thing into another. Those who are into zoo aren't changing anything. They are simply loving an animal(s). I have never run across an animal that didn't like being played with, pet, scratched, kissed or Loved. I have 3 dogs and they all love / beg for attention. Why not satisify their sexual needs and our own at the same time? Does anyone (animal or human) get hurt? No. Does anyones feelings get hurt? No. Does averyone get laid? You betcha! So why are animal lovers persecuted? Some say that we are taking advantage of the poor beasts. I don't think so. If those who do think soare wrong and they can mind their own business and leave us alone!
I don't think it is a sexual perversion. After all I am a normal person..... besides being . any way my point being that I am not some sex craving freak or some odd bal person. I just happen to like k9's which is how most of us are.
i wanted to know what paraphilia ment so i found this on wiki. i thought somebody esle might want to know as well.Paraphilia (in Greek para παρά = besides and -philia φιλία = friendship)—in psychology and sexology, is a term that describes a family of persistent, intense fantasies, aberrant urges, or behaviors involving sexual arousal to nonhuman objects, pain or humiliation experienced by oneself or one's partner, nonconsenting individuals or unsuitable partners. Paraphilias may interfere with the capacity for reciprocal affectionate sexual activity. [1] Paraphilia is also used to imply non-mainstream sexual practices without necessarily implying dysfunction or deviance (see Clinical warnings section). Also, it may describe sexual feelings toward otherwise non-sexual objects.i agree that we are all perverted a little. but i never thought it was perverted to have sex with an animal. besides people have been doing it since greek and roman ages and even before that
Really everyone who has sex for pleasure can be called a pervert, so I see us no more perverted than anyone else. "Normal" people may see us as perverted, because in their eyes we are. We do something off the standard path.I sorta take being perverted as a complement.
Well its nice to know that they aren't being taught from another source how to hate, however, people will still have their own prejudicies. From what i know about people is that prejudice will overcome reasoning and love.What are we to do?
QUOTE (death_guy_2005 @ Aug 13 2007, 12:03 PM) Well its nice to know that they aren't being taught from another source how to hate, however, people will still have their own prejudicies. From what i know about people is that prejudice will overcome reasoning and love.What are we to do? Nothing we can do but hope one day people can learn to accept one another for their differences. I have learned how to accept almost everyone, with a few exceptions. Most people have a long way to go.
I am very grateful to all who have , and continue to post to this thread. I feel that it is constructive to have a discussion of the psychological aspect of our preferences, because there are so many of us who have guilt issues. These things may be wiped away by the mere fact of knowing that we are not alone. And here is the place where we can be together and let it all hang out. Cheers, and a fat 10 vote from me to all who post this thread from this point on (just to keep things hopping)
I think most people would consider us as perverts, but being what I am makes me not judge what other people do in their sex life.
Everything in this world... time, morals, behavior, are all in perspective.
One way or another its good that its seen as a form of masturbation rather than a form of mental psycopathm. Makes society's role in accepting us that much easier.
No, and let me explain something. Other species are living, breathing,thinking things like us, so the way I see it is that it is basically the same as falling in love and/or making love with a human, just that it is another species, but better in some ways, I think.
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But, in another respect, it being a form of masturbation, could lead to animals being abused for an aroused non-zoophile to just "Do his/her business"
Paraphilia is the sexual term that is usually used by Psychs to explain the behavior. It literally means a sexual attraction to something that is not human. This can vary from A telephone book to animals. They suspect that their is nothing wrong with it and that it is just normal behavior. They also believe that if the animal is willing then by all means have at it Either way we win right? alot of this info can also be obtained in wikipedia. Just type up the word and you'll learn more
>Abnormal Psychology, Are we perverts?*takes a breather*The way I see it, we are living in a world, that is for the most part insane.Begin with how psycologists define normal behavior.And then look how people actually act.Stockpiling weapons of mass destruction so much, that you could wipe out humanity at least a thoudand times over.Despite the massive drain on resources for all these weapons we still have the production capability to give every human in the world enough to eat and a roof over the head.And still we have homeless and poor people even in the industrial countries, that see themselves so far advanced in relation to the third world countries.Everyone is at least aware of the fact, that with love and laughter you have a better life no matter the other circumstances you live in. Still we (humanity in gerneral) pursue the paths of hate and violence.The examples go on, but I cut to the chase here.Considering the world we live in, honestly? I don't even ask myself the question in the beginning if this thread.Because if the majority says we are perverts, then we are. Not matter how insane the majority itself is.P.S: With this I don't mean the question was asked needlessy. On the contrary. Thank you for asking it, so I could set it in relation with everything else. This is just my solution to the question, it doesn't have to be yours.P.P.S. Psycologists are aware of this I guess, but would never say it loud, because they would have to say, that our (worldwide) society is very sick, which in turn would cost them their jobs, as nobody would really want to hear it.
QUOTE (doggylover21 @ Aug 24 2007, 10:57 PM) Paraphilia is the sexual term that is usually used by Psychs to explain the behavior. It literally means a sexual attraction to something that is not human. This can vary from A telephone book to animals. They suspect that their is nothing wrong with it and that it is just normal behavior. They also believe that if the animal is willing then by all means have at it Either way we win right? alot of this info can also be obtained in wikipedia. Just type up the word and you'll learn more as you can see the definition actually encompasses more than just non human partners/objectsAmerican Heritage Dictionary - par·a·phil·i·a n. Any of a group of psychosexual disorders characterized by sexual fantasies, feelings, or activities involving a nonhuman object, a nonconsenting partner, or pain or humiliation of oneself or one's partner. I would say someone who has sex in anyway other than missionary covered in a sheet with a hole cut out in the appropriate place would be a parphile...
QUOTE (Ralph_von_Wau_Wau @ Aug 25 2007, 11:26 AM) Everyone is at least aware of the fact, that with love and laughter you have a better life no matter the other circumstances you live in. Still we (humanity in gerneral) pursue the paths of hate and violence.P.P.S. Psycologists are aware of this I guess, but would never say it loud, because they would have to say, that our (worldwide) society is very sick, which in turn would cost them their jobs, as nobody would really want to hear it. As for the fact of why people insist on being miserable when there's happiness to be had, this is a result of the fact that a few miserable greedy ones control the existence of the many miserable and needy ones. Greed, religion (and its attendent warped ideas of morality and sin) are the major causes for most of the misery and intolerance and suffering in the world. As for the shrinks, if they ever admitted that everyone is insane, they'd be out of a job because then it would have to be considered a "normal condition," so no need for treatment.
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QUOTE (wyldfyre67 @ Aug 25 2007, 11:41 AM) I would say someone who has sex in anyway other than missionary covered in a sheet with a hole cut out in the appropriate place would be a parphile... [/b] Well then come on over for dinner Love. I got a clean sheet and scissors. We paraphiles gotta stick together (tied) P.S.- My mental image of Wyld (the flower is way too tame LOL)
Are we perverted? Well ... considering some of the other forums on this board, I'd guess that the vast majority of members here fit that description. The real question is whether or not that's an insult However, it's not the fact that our sexual attractions are somewhat ... different, that makes us perverts. It's the mere fact that we have those attractions and urges. Sexual people are sexual people, regardless everyone's individual quirk. Now, to answer my own question, being called a pervert isn't an insult at all. When someone uses that term, what they're really saying is that you are alarmingly and somewhat annoyingly different, and that is a very good thing. Ask yourself, do you really want to be normal by today's societal standards? I highly recommend against it, myself. So, make peace with your inner pervert. Join the ranks of those who are proud to be different. We promise, it's a decision you won't regret
What so often gets me is when some one thinks I should accept their moral/political/religeous ideas as being the only acceptable ones! If what you do does not affect me in any way then it shouldn't worry me!
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