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Its a tough one for me. I try my best not to, but thinking about all the hatred directed towards people like myself (and I only say it like that because nobody knows about me), it makes me sick and depressed. I mean, most of these people probably have no idea what they're talking about and just want their opinion heard, but you can't confront them about their ignorance without "outing" yourself. The sad thing is though, that without someone to show them why they might be wrong, they will never feel differently and they might even go so far as to think WE know we're wrong because we aren't opposing them. Are we in a lose-lose situation? Stand up and be ridiculed/slandered/harassed or sit down and let the situation only potentially get worse? I kind of went off on a tangent there, but I guess my answer is that I pretend to side with them, but inside its killing me knowing that I must wear a mask of normality whenever I'm around other people (which, is about 99% of the time). I do resent the fact that I must do that, but I understand that some of these people are generally good, however misguided I think they might be. So to that end, I know I can't lump them all together as it isn't entirely fair, but do they express any fairness towards us?
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Id have to say nope.If the subject comes up in conversation for some reason i simply tell em what someones into is their business unless it involves kids or someone gets hurt.Why be angry at ignorance, its a human trait that cant be helped nor avoided.G.S.
No, I don't resent them, as long as they don't try to give us trouble. There are a lot of other sexual preferences and fetishes that I personally don't get, but I still think they should be free to do as they choose. And it does suck to have to keep it secret most of the time, but at least we have BeastForum!
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Not at all! everyone has there thing? Who am i to knock anyone?
No, it's a difficult thing to truly understand and/or accept.If someone is fine with it, my opinion of them goes up...But if they don't ,it doesn't go down.Of course, if someone keeps harassing zoos or something crazy and makes it their business to "educate" zoos on how "wrong" what they're doing is, then I have a negative opinion of them.
QUOTE (Prince_Xizor @ May 5 2007, 02:23 PM) No, it's a difficult thing to truly understand and/or accept.If someone is fine with it, my opinion of them goes up...But if they don't ,it doesn't go down.Of course, if someone keeps harassing zoos or something crazy and makes it their business to "educate" zoos on how "wrong" what they're doing is, then I have a negative opinion of them. So true, that's basically my way of thinking as well.I respect non-zoos who are willing to understand our lifestyle and leave us be. You also don't have to be a zoo to make supporting arguments in it's favor, I've witnessed that kind of discussion before. I know lots of people will never be accepting of the whole zoo concept, but that's to be expected, and that will never change.If someone states their opinion against zoophilia, and backs it up with their own reasons in a calm manner rather than lashing out, then I might actually respect the person more, even though we disagree.Yeah, it is annoying when people blindly lash out against zoophilia, but the vast majority of these people seem to be the ones who follow the mob. I'm reminded of the public comments on that new documentary called "Zoo". Literally hundreds of people flocked to the discussion page, posted their hate and disgust, then left, never to return. Comparatively few of those people actually stuck around to keep posting their hate.I also kept watch of a topic on this subject in another discussion board, which had a very high level of open-minded people. There was some good discussion being made, by people who thought zoo's weren't doing anything wrong, provided the animals were safe from harm. Others calmly debated the consent issue. Then there were a couple of the hate people, coming in abruptly and posting their messages. Once again, they never returned to the discussion, except to maybe post their hate once more, then leave. Ignoring those comments, the discussion still proceeded normally. In the end, the topic reached a neutral point, all opinions had been calmly discussed, everyone had their own informed opinion.Hating the people who hate us won't solve anything. Although it can be difficult to ignore them at times, I've always tried to uphold the philosophy of being the better person by staying calm and pleasant in the face of such hostile remarks. Some people are just out for a fight, no need to give them one.
Well thats what I get for posing a question so late at night... I didn't even really directly answer my own question. I agree with the comments posted thus far in that I don't automatically think less of someone for expressing an opposing viewpoint. Its all in how their viewpoint is expressed I guess.Thankfully the subject RARELY comes up for me, but the fact that I cannot discuss this with anyone outside of this community (I've been burned by less) kind of sucks, but I know its for the best.
QUOTE (lauralust @ May 5 2007, 01:55 PM) Not at all! everyone has there thing? Who am i to knock anyone? Well said! You get a 10 for that.
I don't resent them at all. This isn't for everyone. Live and let live.
who are we to resent them for resenting us..........if someone does not like what we do....then they should just go mind there own buisness........but it is wrong of us to resent them back....we should all just try to mind our own buisness and get along......
That's a very tricky question. No, I don't hate people who can't understand us. If somebody can't understand a concept, too bad for them; I feel more pity than hate. Now, don't take that to mean I don't hate some of the people who don't understand us. It's not the lack of comprehension that annoys me, though, it's what they do with it. If someone tries to understand before passing judgement, they've gained a huge ammount of my respect. If they kindof brush it aside, without trying to understand and without passing judgement ... meh to them. But, if somebody goes "aaah! Strange peole doing strange things! Evil! Fire and brimstone! blaagh!" then they're just being a dick!If somebody can't understand why I'm sexually attracted to other species, that's fine. But if someone yells "evil!" at us without understanding us, what the ? If you understand us and still can't wait to see us burn in hell, that's fine with me, because at least you know what you're passing judgement on. But if not....<slap> <remove soapbox... hide in shaddows>
I don't resent others for having their own opinion.
People do have a right to their own opinion so I going to say no on this one. Although their could be some expections to this rule.
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Coming from a heavy church background(pastors as parents) I have heard so much 'you're going to hell' crap, and seen so much hypocrisy within the 'holy' church that I no longer pay attention to those who condemn us for having more than friendly feelings for animals. Their comments might sting, might hurt at first because of how little they truly know, but in the end I feel nothing but pity for how tiny their minds are and how little understanding they have for others. There will always be people who lash out at what they don't understand, there's no way around that and the world hasn't changed enough for that to stop anytime soon.
Well said, EV. I grew up in a VERY similar background, and had to long get over my fear of 'going straight to hell' anytime I felt something out of the church mandated norms.
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I answered no. We must all chose our own path to walk in this life, and it is not for me to judge anyone else for the path they have chosen. I can only hope that I have the good fortune to meet those that respect the path I have chosen. I know there are many things that people do that I don't understand, and therefor am forced to accept the fact that there are those out there that don't understand me. So in the end........why resent human nature?Blessed Be
QUOTE (silverwolf768)I mean, most of these people probably have no idea what they're talking about and just want their opinion heard, but you can't confront them about their ignorance without "outing" yourself. The sad thing is though, that without someone to show them why they might be wrong, they will never feel differently and they might even go so far as to think WE know we're wrong because we aren't opposing them.Are we in a lose-lose situation? Stand up and be ridiculed/slandered/harassed or sit down and let the situation only potentially get worse?I kind of went off on a tangent there, but I guess my answer is that I pretend to side with them, but inside its killing me knowing that I must wear a mask of normality whenever I'm around other people (which, is about 99% of the time). I do resent the fact that I must do that, but I understand that some of these people are generally good, however misguided I think they might be. So to that end, I know I can't lump them all together as it isn't entirely fair, but do they express any fairness towards us?You sound like you desired more of an answer on this part, so I went back to give it a bit more thought.It does seem true that it's difficult to confront negative people with anti-zoo attitudes. Again, I'm reminded of the general public talk on the Zoo movie. Neutral people who weren't zoos would say that if zoos aren't doing any harm, then they should be free to pursue their own lifestyle in private. The extremely negative people were quick to make responses that if you aren't against it, you're for it, which shakes the argument a bit, that anyone who expresses a neutral attitude must secretly be a zoo. So in this sense, I can see how it would be like outing yourself to defend zoo rights and opinions, and why some neutral people might feel like holding back on voicing their own opinion.I can't say if we're necessarily in a lose-lose situation though. Yeah, we will get ridiculed if we stand up for ourselves, and if we hold our tongues, all the negative stories of sadistic and abusive bestiality will continue to wear down whatever foundation of an argument we hope to maintain. However, I feel that our culture is changing just enough to become more lenient to it. From what I've observed, it seems the current generation, or rather my generation, people aged 18-25 or so, tend to hold a neutral opinion. This could be good in our case. Even if they're neutral, that's one less potential voice against us. More neutral people, more people who don't care as long as we're not hurting anything, and our collective average voice will increase as well. I predict that given a few more generations, zoophilia won't be as much of controversial issue. Granted, I doubt we'll ever have rights or any sort of official recognition, but I think in the future there will be a bit more leniency when it comes to the law, and fewer chances of being struck down with false animal cruelty charges.Anyways, moving on, I also mask who I am when I'm around my friends and family. I think they're figuring out that I'm not exactly normal from my lack of human relationships, but I still just shrug it off or change the subject whenever it comes up, all in an attempt to hide my true feelings. I dislike having to hide myself, and I really wish I could just come out with it. While I don't think anybody I know would actually hate me for knowing who I truly am, I'm sure many of them would think less of me.I'm not speaking from experience here, but rather from my observations of the attitudes of the people I know in real life, but I think that when people actually know who you are as a person in general, they'll be more likely to come to terms with and at least tolerate the truth. Sure, they'll have some negative attitudes, but unless they're hardcore extremist anti-zoo people, they should at least express some level of decency and fairness about it, or just avoid all conversation on the subject and pretend everything is normal.I'm rambling here, but I hope that answered any more of your questions.
QUOTE (ZetterGRD @ May 6 2007, 01:47 AM)I'm rambling here, but I hope that answered any more of your questions.Indeed you did (answer the questions, not ramble ), and a couple points I hadn't considered before. I'm a member of the same age bracket and it is generally true that most people of that age group tend to be more more open, or as you put it, neutral minded. It's tough to say how they would react to a discussion on zoophilia as at least in my area the topic rarely, if ever, comes up. Although, since I've never actually attempted to discuss the topic with anyone, the outcome is complete conjecture on my part. Perhaps I'm not giving the general public enough credit (although perhaps I am)... I suppose I can't as for much more ss long as we continue to have a safe haven at which we can congregate
no not realy.every one should have there thoughts .i just wish some would keep them to there self.
I don't hate those who hate us, it would be hypocritical of me to do so. It does however annoy me a lot. Especially when you get the usual sheep who just say its wrong because thats what most other people think. Or people who say its wrong, but then can't say why they think it is. I've had discussions with a lot of people in real life and online who just haven't had a real reason why they think sex with animals is wrong. I just got a "Because it is" or a "Because the Bible says so and have just been called a sick freak for even suggesting that it may be ok to have sex with an animal (that was online though, so I just ignored it lol)Saying that, can you really blame them? Especially when most of the news that hits the mainstream media is that of people who do abuse animals. Most people don't have a clue that anything like BF exists and don't realise that there are people in the world who have sex with animals who love them like a partner, and wouldn't do anything to hard their animals. And so when they see a news item about some twisted guy who killed a horse after having sex with it or whatever, what are they supposed to think?
I feel sorry for those who cannot tolerate others for doing things that do not bring hurt or pain.Those for whom it is viewed as a form of witch hunt to incriminate others for actions that contravene their own hypocritical lifestyle are as disgusting as those who force others into unnatural acts.Fortunately there are few who have any knowledge of my lifestyle so the question rarely arises.Pokerman
Hi all..new girl here. This'll be my first post on these boards. I do not resent those who do not understand my interest, (although nobody really knows about my interest ) particularly because I do not understand many things about this world and the people in it, and I surely hope that the people I don't understand don't resent me...Also, I am pretty sure my interests stem from being inately connected and very compassionate toward all of nature, particularly animals. In fact, in many ways I tend to have much more compassion and empathy for animals than I do for people. I am pretty sure I can reasonably deduce that almost, if not all people who display or otherwise have sexual desires involving animals are among those who share a unique connection and love for animals. This said, there are a good majority of people who either DO NOT respect and have compassion for animals or just respect them enough to "have" or "own" them as a novelty. People who "dislike" animals often find it hard to understand why certain people are so willing to share their homes and lives with them at all. I do not resent those people, so how could I possibly resent people who do not understand zoophilia?
Well,all I can do is echo whats already been said. As noted,at least we have BF to come to and be a part of. As for those who for whatever reason disagree with us, IMO, it's their loss.
Strange that this tread popped up. I just had to endure a rant by a relative during dinner concerning his distaste for beastly activities. Do I resent him? No, I just smiled to myself knowing that "I know something you don't know". I"ve always believed that instead of hating to just play in your own back yard and let them go play in theirs.
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I would have to toss a "no" into the cap. It is tough enough just being me, I cant worry about the rest of the world.
No, but if they're mean and bitchy about it then yes. Because quite frankly, I understand both sides, and I understand what it's like to not understand. I hope that made sense. It's just like being [attracted to the same sex]. There is so much variety among us; including the difference between narrow minded people and people who view all sides equally. I've already accepted people who don't accept others. Kinda ironic
As for me, I'm willing to give anyone a fair shake, unless they turn into a zealot, or start trying to push their views on me, religious or otherwise. And it doesn't matter if we're talking about zoophilia or broccoli. If someone told me I was an idiot (or I was going to Hell) because I didn't like broccoli, I'd tell them to KMA.
QUOTE (silverwolf768 @ May 5 2007, 07:23 AM) Its a tough one for me. I try my best not to, but thinking about all the hatred directed towards people like myself (and I only say it like that because nobody knows about me), it makes me sick and depressed. I mean, most of these people probably have no idea what they're talking about and just want their opinion heard, but you can't confront them about their ignorance without "outing" yourself. The sad thing is though, that without someone to show them why they might be wrong, they will never feel differently and they might even go so far as to think WE know we're wrong because we aren't opposing them. Are we in a lose-lose situation? Stand up and be ridiculed/slandered/harassed or sit down and let the situation only potentially get worse? I kind of went off on a tangent there, but I guess my answer is that I pretend to side with them, but inside its killing me knowing that I must wear a mask of normality whenever I'm around other people (which, is about 99% of the time). I do resent the fact that I must do that, but I understand that some of these people are generally good, however misguided I think they might be. So to that end, I know I can't lump them all together as it isn't entirely fair, but do they express any fairness towards us? Some people should just back off of other peoples lives. I resent the people that put a law up for something that if it were to happen to a girl would just be overlooked. I also resent the fact of how "Some people" crack jokes about it. People need to realise that nobody is better or worse than anyone except for the people that hurt people. Its like this I could be in love with my dog while the person whos talking about what I do could be screwing a little kid. Or be out raping girls when hes drunk and crap. I have friends that are ok with it which most people should unless the animal is getting hurt which in most cases its not that way. Also heres another thing if they feel it is "hurting a animal" what do people do to chickens cows pigs dogs cats goats and all that when they dont have homes or we need food? Its more important for people to feel insignificant about themselves than it is to be happy it seems like with the laws and people now a days. Am I wrong??? errogant holes need to get a life that care SO MUCH. Focus more on your kids than taking the time to fill out a bill to outlaw our lives. They dont think that the people that cant love their animals could go out and do way worse things. The world just gets stupider and stupider every year. All the money they spent on that bill could have been used on better things. am i wrong?
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