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Well I thought I would toss this out here and see what some of you all thought on this, me being a zoo myself (and dam proud of it) I found it pretty hurtingAnyways I'm sure most of you are familiar with the well known furry artist"Klaus Doberman" who draws some outstanding works of art both canine and equine (and other animals which the anatomy is quite well done besides the works in general itselfie: color body, style etc very nice works..We were having a convo the other night and I was up until now happy to hear back from him as hed been in another country and just now starting to draw his yiffy and other furry art again. things were going fine..until he found out I was a "zoo" this was part from his email today back to me about that and his feeliings on"us" (zooz)Subject: Re: pics of bad dog from ganster yiff story To: "Buster" We are not talking any longer in case our conversation the other night didn't sink in. You are a zoo and I do not want to know you as a result. Buster wrote:woof, hey bud thought id drop a quick email to you. I got a couple screenies of tht bad dog from my one ganster story "Sometimes Crime Pays when your looking to play" thought you might enjoy seeing what he kinda looks like:) hope your having a great night and weekend over there, ok will bark at ya later big dog. *******************************************************************I dont know about you but I take that reply insulting as well as both very well hurting and harsh, wanted to see what your opinions were of itand this isn't meant nor intended to start any flames here just food for thought. take care all Buster*a Fellow Zoo and Proud of it!*PS: he has his "works" and "new stuff"up on yahoo [SPAM] (klaus art) if youd like to swing by there and voice an opinion or two
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hey Buster. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Don't let his opinions bother you.You can still enjoy his art even if he is not like minded. Your admiration of his art may have influenced you into thinking he is something he obviously isnt. The world doesnt embrace people who are "different" and some havent learnt to embrace all because of their tatses. Some others are scared to be open about he situations. Relax. Enjoy his art. Be safe in the community here as you know we undertsand.shaz
ummm - I'm not sure what to do with this post there is an ole wise tail that furries don't like zoos - I have NOT found that to be true for the most part - there will always be exceptions to any rule - but I have found most furries to be quite understanding of zoos...I'm going to move thisto the zoo section for those who would like to continue the discussion...
I'm very, very baffled by this. I've seen Klaus' artwork-it's absolutely fantastic stuff btw- and to me it's not as much furry artwork as it is zoo IMHO. Is English his first language? I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say there is a really big miscommunication here. It just doesn't click that he draws what he draws and then has a problem with zoos
I dont get it either, he likes to draw sexual pics of animals but hates zoos?
I just did a quick search, and he does indeed have some interesting work. For such sexually explicit artwork, it does seem a little weird that he would make a statement against zoos like that. I'd have to agree that maybe it is a bit of a misunderstanding of terms or definitions.Despite that, he is still entitled to his opinion, and there's no reason to hold it against him for that. I don't know what other conversations you've had with the guy. Perhaps he's just one to fantasize and enjoy the art and thought of the subject, while having a moral/ethical conflict with people who actually pursue it. It's not uncommon for people to fantasize about things while refraining from acting out on it.Edit: I should probably note I don't know a whole lot about Furry culture and interests, so until I learn more about them, I can't have much of an opinion on their way of thinking.
Hmm, I really like his art, but his reply is a bit of a let down. It's not like I think people should like it, they're free not to, but it does dissapoint me when people won't be a little more open-minded and won't judge others for things they don't like themselves.I guess the opinion in the furry community varies. I don't know that "scene" well as I am not a furry, but I have heard some very negative voices come from it before.
QUOTE (southflorida @ Mar 25 2007, 02:38 AM) ummm - I'm not sure what to do with this post there is an ole wise tail that furries don't like zoos - I have NOT found that to be true for the most part - there will always be exceptions to any rule - but I have found most furries to be quite understanding of zoos... The main problem is people often think of those who are in the furry lifestyle saying that they real animals in real life. Since people try to lump everything together and/or doesn't get the facts straight, thats how they come to that conclusion. So therefore, that is the reason why some furries hate zoophiles. They don't wanna be associated with that they animals. Thats what I think.
+1 that's what they said online ten years ago.Furries who stamp their feet and yell that they are not zoo amuse me, because they live in a fantasy world and are only willing to daydream about animal contact, not actually pursue it. Furry art can be fun to look at, but you can't smell it and feel it.Kind of like fat guys sitting on a couch and watching sports.
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its like he wants to do animal sex but he thinks its wrong so he sticks with furries, I know some furries arnt into the sex but this guy obviously is
I've chimed in on the furry debate before so I'll say it again. While there are certainly furries who are zooey/beastie in nature there are many, nay most, who are not. Its just like the regular population of non furfen. Though I suspect that the proportion of zoos/beasties in the furry community is significantly higher than in the general population as a whole. But in no way, shape or form does being a furry automatically make you a zoo/beastie. No more so than eating mexican food makes you automatically mexican.
Hm... I don't know the whole story behind this, but I'll write what I think about it so far. As someone already stated above, not all furries are zoos or pro-zoo. Also, your mail is very open to miunderstandings of many sorts. I know that I would have misunderstood it if I got such a mail from someone I didn't know.Artists who draw sexually explicit drawings of furry/animal nature often draws a lot of idiots (I'm not by any means claiming that you're one of them, only that they do exist), and I'm pretty sure that Klaus, being a well-known artist, has had a lot of dealings with people of this kind, people who call themselves furry or zoo but are something else. I got a lot of messages and mails of those kinds myself when I tried to put up my zoo art online. I believe he may have misunderstood what you wrote about seeing screencaps(?) of the dog from your story. And, as I wrote above, I don't know the whole story behind this. For example, I don't know how the "conversation the other night" turned out. If he already wrote that he didn't want to talk to you anymore before you wrote this mail, there is nothing to do about it. As someone already wrote, some peoples' opinions are sad, but theirs.
I wonder which group is less known to the general public, zoos or furries - not just anthropomorphic animal cartoon characters, but people who will dress in fursuits.
Kind of like fat guys sitting on a couch and watching sports. [/QUOTE]ROFLMAO I know a couple of those fat guys who love sports too!
QUOTE (energydog @ Mar 27 2007, 04:42 AM) But in no way, shape or form does being a furry automatically make you a zoo/beastie. No more so than eating mexican food makes you automatically mexican. ok...point taken. HOWEVER, i dont understand how you can get off on drawing explicit representations of animal genitalia and sex all day and be completely non interested in sex with animals? If he was really 100% furry or against it, why wouldnt he be drawing people in fursuits having sex? I mean, its not like he's Thomas Kinkade with a zoo following, that i could understand him being upset about, but a dude who gets a hard on from animals doing it not understanding how people could want to do it with them? weird.
Maybe the short answer is, he draws what people buy, and it could hurt him as a business enterprise if he had a reputation as being zoo.As for the people who buy it (or look at it for free), I suppose they're jerking off to pics of Spirit reaming Rain. Better than having your mom find horseshit packed into the treads of your shoes, I guess.
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